Saturday, August 18, 2012

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: One ama clip bogs down SNDX 5.5.3 on mac?

I've noticed terrible sluggishness with AMA AVCHD files. Dragged a couple
hours' worth to a timeline for transcoding (washing files for Avid DS) and
MC6 was not happy. I wound up doing it in 20-25 minute chunks, then
transcoded the sequences. MC was happier when I cleared both the source and
record monitors cleared.

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On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Terence Curren <tcurren@aol.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> You have to turn off AMA if you don't want it to automount drives.
> However, Avid only looks on the surface level of the drive, so you can drop
> any QTs, etc into a folder on that drive and you won't have a problem. And
> yes, plenty of us have asked for a "don't auto mount from drives" option,
> but it hasn't happened yet. Wait until you plug in a USB stick with a few
> files on it while you are working….
>
> As for the sluggishness, yes, I too have experienced that with AMA files.
> I think it has to do more with the codec than anything length. I had a RED
> job that drove me nuts with the "right click / wait forever" thing.
>
> It appears worse in 6 as you don't get an hourglass. So you have no idea
> what the heck is going on. Lots of things that are slow in 6 do the same
> thing. No hourglass, so… am I hung, have I crashed, is it doing something,
> did I not actually click it? Amazing how the little feedback of progress
> bars or hourglasses makes such a huge psychological difference on time
> perception.
>
> Finally, I find with AMA file that play back choppy in the timeline, that
> it is usually the audio that is the culprit. Make a video only sequence and
> suddenly you can play fine. In those situations I find exporting and
> reimporting just the audio tracks solves everything. Amazing that Avid can
> play video but not audio smoothly since it obviously takes more horsepower
> to play video. Maybe it's because the GPU is used for video and the CPU for
> audio? Just taking shots in the dark here.
>
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, John Moore <bigfish@...> wrote:
> >
> > One ama clip bogs down SNDX 5.5.3 on mac?
> > Now that I've moved to SNDX 5.5.3 Mac os 10.6.8 I find when I ama link
> to one long SD avid 1:1 .mov file of a 50 minute ish show the whole system
> gets very laggy. I hit the hamburger menu and it's 5 to 6 seconds for it
> to open and I get spinning beach ball for several seconds when right
> clicking before things happen. I'm getting use to the sluggishness but
> this seems very problematic and I only have one bin with one ama clip cut
> into it's own sequence so I can play it back through my Tek scope for error
> logging. I haven't notice ama being so sluggish on other systems but I
> haven't worked much with ama. Is this because it's a long clip? Also I
> found when I plugged in an external LaCie usb drive avid automatically
> opened a bin with the drives name and proceeded to churn for several
> minutes. Quiting avid and restarting without unmounting the LaCie drive
> and Avid did not create the automatic bin. Is that a preference
> somewhere? I looked under
> > ama setting but it looked like I could turn off ama on the next restart
> but nothing about auto mounting new volumes. Is that a bin setting? I'm
> locked out of my sytem right now so I can't explore.
> >
> > John Moore
> >
> > Barking Trout Productions
> >
> > Studio City, CA
> >
> > bigfish@...
>
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


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Re: [Avid-L2] OT the editors club on facebook

Cool, Owen. Thanks.

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>
>
> L'ers are welcome to join and contribute.
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> reposts from the L and cow are permitted.
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[Avid-L2] OT the editors club on facebook

 

L'ers are welcome to join and contribute.
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: anyone using AJA's new 6.03 compatible io express drivers?

 

I am not going to get the opportunity to try them for 2 or 3 weeks,
But I know some of you just can't wait to try these things as soon as
they come out..

I was waiting for you Adrian. ;-)

--- In mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com, "adrian califf" <adriancal@...> wrote:
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> AJA has just released a new open io plugin v10.3 and driver
>
> v10.3.1 for use with mc6.03 just wondering if anyone is using it
>
> and does it fix the aja control panel not retaining settings
>
> issue?
>
> http://www.aja.com/en/support/io/pc/io-express/
>
>
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[Avid-L2] Re: anyone using AJA's new 6.03 compatible io express drivers?

 

I was waiting for you Adrian. ;-)

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "adrian califf" <adriancal@...> wrote:
>
> AJA has just released a new open io plugin v10.3 and driver
>
> v10.3.1 for use with mc6.03 just wondering if anyone is using it
>
> and does it fix the aja control panel not retaining settings
>
> issue?
>
> http://www.aja.com/en/support/io/pc/io-express/
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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[Avid-L2] anyone using AJA's new 6.03 compatible io express drivers?

 

AJA has just released a new open io plugin v10.3 and driver

v10.3.1 for use with mc6.03 just wondering if anyone is using it

and does it fix the aja control panel not retaining settings

issue?

http://www.aja.com/en/support/io/pc/io-express/

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[Avid-L2] Re: Two Neat things I found in Avid

 

Did you know you can move individual vertices that way also.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, John Moore <bigfish@...> wrote:
>
> These aren't necessarily new features but I discovered a couple keystrokes I was unaware of before.  In color correction mode the Esc key, up left, will toggle between the middle monitor and the right monitor which I use for reference.  Still miss split to reference but this is pretty neat.  I hadn't noticed this behavior before.  Now the really neat thing I stumbled on is when drawing shapes in Paint Tool.  I always wanted a way to cursor the shapes with the arrow keys to move them left right or up down.  I never new that with a shape highlighted in paint tool the slip keys, "M" "<" ">" "/" will move the shape left and right 1 increment or 10 increments.  The left right up down behavior is changed by holding down the option key while hitting the keys.  These have probably been there forever I just never knew before.  Maybe somebody else can use this too.
>
> John Moore
>
> Barking Trout Productions
>
> Studio City, CA
>
> bigfish@...
>
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[Avid-L2] Re: One ama clip bogs down SNDX 5.5.3 on mac?

 

You have to turn off AMA if you don't want it to automount drives. However, Avid only looks on the surface level of the drive, so you can drop any QTs, etc into a folder on that drive and you won't have a problem. And yes, plenty of us have asked for a "don't auto mount from drives" option, but it hasn't happened yet. Wait until you plug in a USB stick with a few files on it while you are working….

As for the sluggishness, yes, I too have experienced that with AMA files. I think it has to do more with the codec than anything length. I had a RED job that drove me nuts with the "right click / wait forever" thing.

It appears worse in 6 as you don't get an hourglass. So you have no idea what the heck is going on. Lots of things that are slow in 6 do the same thing. No hourglass, so… am I hung, have I crashed, is it doing something, did I not actually click it? Amazing how the little feedback of progress bars or hourglasses makes such a huge psychological difference on time perception.

Finally, I find with AMA file that play back choppy in the timeline, that it is usually the audio that is the culprit. Make a video only sequence and suddenly you can play fine. In those situations I find exporting and reimporting just the audio tracks solves everything. Amazing that Avid can play video but not audio smoothly since it obviously takes more horsepower to play video. Maybe it's because the GPU is used for video and the CPU for audio? Just taking shots in the dark here.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, John Moore <bigfish@...> wrote:
>
> One ama clip bogs down SNDX 5.5.3 on mac?
> Now that I've moved to SNDX 5.5.3 Mac os 10.6.8 I find when I ama link to one long SD avid 1:1 .mov file of a 50 minute ish show the whole system gets very laggy.  I hit the hamburger menu and it's 5 to 6 seconds for it to open and I get spinning beach ball for several seconds when right clicking before things happen.  I'm getting use to the sluggishness but this seems very problematic and I only have one bin with one ama clip cut into it's own sequence so I can play it back through my Tek scope for error logging.  I haven't notice ama being so sluggish on other systems but I haven't worked much with ama.  Is this because it's a long clip?  Also I found when I plugged in an external LaCie usb drive avid automatically opened a bin with the drives name and proceeded to churn for several minutes.  Quiting avid and restarting without unmounting the LaCie drive and Avid did not create the automatic bin.  Is that a preference somewhere?  I looked under
> ama setting but it looked like I could turn off ama on the next restart but nothing about auto mounting new volumes.  Is that a bin setting?  I'm locked out of my sytem right now so I can't explore.
>
> John Moore
>
> Barking Trout Productions
>
> Studio City, CA
>
> bigfish@...
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Friday, August 17, 2012

[Avid-L2] Re: Davinci Resolve to MC 6 import metadata strangeness

 

I havé been using this pipe for nearly a year and I even if I persist in believing that the mxfs will work I often end up exporting qt files and importing those into the avid. I used to have a lot of problems with resolve mxfs getting quarantined so I export the resolve timeline in a block. I have never much success with bm's after sales service so I just hope they read this and will see. I know BM is active on creative cow.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "prberg2" <prberg2@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Christopher,
>
> I actually had this exact same problem yesterday! Quite frustrating. Only difference is that I am on Avid Symphony 5.5.
>
> I have 5 MXF files that are created by Resolve. I bring them into the Avid Media folder and the Media tool will only see 1 of them (also the same if I drag the database file to a bin).
>
> I think Avid is seeing all 5 MXF files as 1 Master clip. Because if I load them one at a time, they are all fine. But if more than one is loaded at a time the sequences will sometimes link to one of the other MXF files.
>
> Even a master clip in a bin will suddenly change it's information if I load another one of the Resolve MXF files (it will change name and duration but the video will stay the same). It's obviously not working correctly.
>
> I honestly think it's a Blackmagic problem. I think the MXF files they are creating don't have a unique identifier that keeps Avid from mixing them up. I'm not sure what metadata field this is but that is my theory.
>
> I wonder if someone from Avid, or someone who can look inside a MXF file could take a look at some sample files to see what these Resolve files might be missing?
>
> My workaround is to just bring in the Resolve MXF files one at a time, immediately make a mixdown and then throw away the Resolve MXF file (or just move it out of the media folder). Avid is very happy with the new mixdown.
>
> Can anyone shed any light on this one?
>
> thanks,
> Peter
>
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher Lowden" <christopher@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > I have exported numerous DNXHD 185 MXF file from a Davinci Resolve Lite PC to MC 6.0.1 PC. The MXFs are graded sequences. I use the mediatool to import the files, insert them into my timelines and the conform is done.... Except at some moment in the afternoon, the MXF master clip I had imported all disappeared and where replaced by numerous new masterclips with new names that correspond to original Canon C300 rushes that I cut using AMA. The metadata of these new files have an UNC to the rushes but when I reveal the media file of each of these new files, it opens the original Resolve MXF. The problem is that the length of the MXF does not corespond to these new "consolidated" files so I get an error message. Worse still, the conformed timeline changes, as the good MXF masterclip file is replaced by the new shorter masterclips. I think that there is some bug as the MC6 seems to get confused with all the meatdata in the Resolve export, but I do not understand how it can erase masterclips and replace them with new one automatically. I hope this is clear ...
> >
> > Any ideas are most welcome
> >
> > Thanks
> >
>

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Re: {Disarmed} [Avid-L2] Re: DPX sequence / Metafuse issue.

You might try adding some grain or noise to the image, if the banding isn't too extreme this can often soften the banding and in a lot of cases remove it entirely.

Darren

On Aug 17, 2012, at 5:23 PM, blafarm wrote:

> I've seen this many times before and have determined that the banding is sadly unavoidable. However, I cannot tell you what the exact cause is -- and neither could Avid.
>
> Some time ago, I needed to create a number of smooth gradient back plates for some episodic title sequences and saw the same thing. I tried both the Title Tool and Marquee, every flavor of DNxHD (including uncompressed), every project type/framerate/resolution -- and 10-bit file depths -- and the banding would not go away.
>
> And the banding was readily apparent in Avid's Record window, in the HD-SDI output of my Mojo DX -- and on my BMD Ultrascope.
>
> I was so frustrated that I opened a support case with easily repeatable instructions. And even though they saw the exact same thing -- I was offered no explanation and no solution. Nice work Avid.
>
> Ultimately, the only technique I could use was to apply successive Boris blurs to the back plates -- and it still didn't look good. Of course, that approach is not even an option for you.
>
> You know, it's embarrassing to have clients sitting behind you when neither MC nor Symphony can display a simple smooth gradient without banding -- no matter how much bandwidth you throw at the problem.
>
> I expect to see that type of compression artifact from a cable or satellite provider -- I don't expect it from my "broadcast quality" editing application.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Mark Santora <mrsantora@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I've gotten some DPX sequences and run them through Metafuse down to a
> > DNxHD 175 X res. Strangely, when I do it, the backgrounds which are
> > gradients behind some talking heads start to band. When I do the the
> > same process in After Effects but go to Animation codec, the banding is
> > gone. Is this a DNxHD issue? a Metafuse issue? A color depth issue on
> > the gradients? I've never run into this before. Anyone?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Mark Santora
> >
> > --
> >
> > Mark Santora
> > http://www.marksantora.com
> >
>
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[Avid-L2] Re: DPX sequence / Metafuse issue.

 

I've seen this many times before and have determined that the banding is sadly unavoidable. However, I cannot tell you what the exact cause is -- and neither could Avid.

Some time ago, I needed to create a number of smooth gradient back plates for some episodic title sequences and saw the same thing. I tried both the Title Tool and Marquee, every flavor of DNxHD (including uncompressed), every project type/framerate/resolution -- and 10-bit file depths -- and the banding would not go away.

And the banding was readily apparent in Avid's Record window, in the HD-SDI output of my Mojo DX -- and on my BMD Ultrascope.

I was so frustrated that I opened a support case with easily repeatable instructions. And even though they saw the exact same thing -- I was offered no explanation and no solution. Nice work Avid.

Ultimately, the only technique I could use was to apply successive Boris blurs to the back plates -- and it still didn't look good. Of course, that approach is not even an option for you.

You know, it's embarrassing to have clients sitting behind you when neither MC nor Symphony can display a simple smooth gradient without banding -- no matter how much bandwidth you throw at the problem.

I expect to see that type of compression artifact from a cable or satellite provider -- I don't expect it from my "broadcast quality" editing application.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Mark Santora <mrsantora@...> wrote:
>
>
> I've gotten some DPX sequences and run them through Metafuse down to a
> DNxHD 175 X res. Strangely, when I do it, the backgrounds which are
> gradients behind some talking heads start to band. When I do the the
> same process in After Effects but go to Animation codec, the banding is
> gone. Is this a DNxHD issue? a Metafuse issue? A color depth issue on
> the gradients? I've never run into this before. Anyone?
>
> Thanks
> Mark Santora
>
> --
>
> Mark Santora
> http://www.marksantora.com
>

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[Avid-L2] One ama clip bogs down SNDX 5.5.3 on mac?

 

One ama clip bogs down SNDX 5.5.3 on mac?
Now that I've moved to SNDX 5.5.3 Mac os 10.6.8 I find when I ama link to one long SD avid 1:1 .mov file of a 50 minute ish show the whole system gets very laggy.  I hit the hamburger menu and it's 5 to 6 seconds for it to open and I get spinning beach ball for several seconds when right clicking before things happen.  I'm getting use to the sluggishness but this seems very problematic and I only have one bin with one ama clip cut into it's own sequence so I can play it back through my Tek scope for error logging.  I haven't notice ama being so sluggish on other systems but I haven't worked much with ama.  Is this because it's a long clip?  Also I found when I plugged in an external LaCie usb drive avid automatically opened a bin with the drives name and proceeded to churn for several minutes.  Quiting avid and restarting without unmounting the LaCie drive and Avid did not create the automatic bin.  Is that a preference somewhere?  I looked under
ama setting but it looked like I could turn off ama on the next restart but nothing about auto mounting new volumes.  Is that a bin setting?  I'm locked out of my sytem right now so I can't explore.

John Moore

Barking Trout Productions

Studio City, CA

bigfish@pacbell.net

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[Avid-L2] Re: Another minor bug combined with a feature request: SAFE ACTION AND SAFE TITLE WRONG

 

Now Steve I've been told on this very list a Subway sandwich would work better with Discovery QC or was it Viacom. Hmmmmm

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@...> wrote:
>
> The 14:9 requirement is in their Global Tech specs doc that looks to me is dated May of 2006.
>
> Here's a copy and paste from that doc:
>
> Program Text Title Safe
> Program text should be kept in the text safe area as defined in SMPTE RP 218. For PAL (625) signals, the safe title area is the central 80% of the picture, an area of 576 by 460 pixels beginning 72 pixels from the left edge and 58 pixels from the top of the image and ending 648 pixels from the left edge and 518 pixels from the top of the image.
>
> ASPECT RATIO GUIDELINES WHEN DELIVERING LETTERBOX FORMATS:
> 16:9 PAL Letterbox: 216 scan lines, picture starts at line 58, ends at 275
> Images acquired in the 16:9 aspect ratio must be protected for 14:9 viewing.
>
>
> This is part of my issue that tech specs are only what the QC guys WANT to or REMEMBER to call you on when you submit stuff.
>
> Personally, if you actually KNEW who would be reviewing your shows, I've bet that 99% of all QC errors could be solved with a beer.
>
> Steve Hullfish
> contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
> author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
>
> On Aug 17, 2012, at 2:21 PM, SP <sppomerantz@...> wrote:
>
> > John,
> >
> > is that something new? I've never seen that requirement, and I've delivered hundreds of hours of shows to Discovery. Never had anything kicked back for title safe.
>
>
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[Avid-L2] Re: Another minor bug combined with a feature request: SAFE ACTION AND SAFE TITLE WRONG

 

Well I recently had to upgrade my direct tv box. I owned my own since around 95 ish back when you had to buy the receiver. Apparently next year my old box would stop working. Perhaps the new SD receiver I have responds differently, although cbs is still center cut in prime time as is abc. Hmmmmmm. Tell em to keep making the "mistake" I like it letter boxed and then I don't have to switch to my DTV OTA box to get full picture.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Degan <DennyD1@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2012, at 1:23 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:
>
> > I did notice the the Prime Time 30 Rock with Brian Williams was
> letterboxed on my DirectTV SD converter. IIRC that was originally
> center cut as per NBC's policy that news programming would be center
> cut and prime time letter boxed. Did that policy change at NBC? Cue
> D.D. for more enlightenment. My 2 cents is good call NBC I prefer it
> letterboxed.
>
> I offer:
>
> NBC's policy is that News and Sports programs are to be center-cut in
> 4x3. Entertainment shows are to be letterboxed.
> I can't explain why a News show (I assume you are referring to "Rock
> Center with Brian Williams", NOT the entertainment show "30 Rock")
> would be shown letterboxed. Perhaps someone didn't set the AFD flag
> correctly that night. Maybe DirecTV did it, I don't know. I have not
> heard of any policy change.
>
> Dennis Degan, Video Editor-Consultant-Knowledge Bank
> NBC Today Show, New York
>

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[Avid-L2] Re: Another minor bug combined with a feature request: SAFE ACTION AND SAFE TITLE WRONG

 

The last couple years that's what I've been told. I haven't had anything kicked back but I've tried to be preemptive once I heard and I always ask the production folks and that's what I've been told going on two years or so. I think domestically they air letterboxed so it's really not an issue in the states as far as I know. At least on my direct tv it comes up letterboxed IIRC.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "SP" <sppomerantz@...> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> is that something new? I've never seen that requirement, and I've delivered hundreds of hours of shows to Discovery. Never had anything kicked back for title safe.
>
> Steve Pomerantz
> www.stevepomerantzeditorial.com
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@> wrote:
> >
> > Discovery says protect for 14:9 on the shows I've onlined.
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm not disagreeing with the 4:3 in 16:9 safe title. I am disagreeing with the 16:9 in 16:9 safe title. THAT should not have anything to do with whether it's watched in 4:3 or not. There is a separate safe title for 4:3 inside 16:9...
> > >
> > > PBS agrees. I couldn't find a spec for Discovery on 16:9 safe title. Anyone else? Terry, what's safe title for any of your deliverables when they're NOT 4:3 protected?
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> > > Steve Hullfish
> > > contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
> > > author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
> > >
> > > On Aug 17, 2012, at 12:23 PM, johnrobmoore <bigfish@> wrote:
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> > > > As per the Tektronix seminair. 80% of HD content is still watched in NTSC and much of that is center cut. I'm not disagreeing with you facts but if that many people are still watching NTSC most likely over rf modulator ch. 3 I think it's a disservice to the viewers to apply the 5% ish safe title afforded by HD sets.
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