Re: [Avid-L2] Delivery Spec Curiosity? 30 and 20 second durations?

This is semantics.

English is not my native English, and for me it's limited.

You have words like:

Starts At

From

To

Up to 

Up to and including

Between

Ends At

Ends before

Now the word 'TO' is highly confusing.

'Go to the second floor'. You know where to go, you end up on the second floor, or you miss your appointment.

Now:

'Go to the railroad crossing'

Same word 'to', but you probably do NOT end up on the tracks, where you were told to go.

Over here 'to' (translated to 'tot') means the same as the railroad example, stop BEFORE.

'Count to three' would mean '1, 2' (NOT include three, but everyone will do so, except coders like me who would say: '0, 1, 2')

Or we use 'tot en met', meaning 'up to AND INCLUDING'

I stay until Wednesday, when will I leave? We could say up to and including Wednesday, no clue how that would be in English.

Over here it's also very often a big mess, when you fill in an online form with dates, it is 'start date' and 'to' and 'end dates', where the end date is most of the time 'to and including'.

Highly annoying.

To make it worse, the old fashioned 'out point' was on the frame you wanted to keep. (So park after the black gap on the first image, hit 'mark out', insert, only black overwritten.

Now edit a high pace story driven dazzling show, with a duration of 1 frame.

TC starts at 00:00:00:00

What is your end TC?

Your TC last frame?

Duration is 1 frame…

Now for a 1 second show.

Duration is 30 frames

TC starts at 00:00:00:00

So TC last frame = 00:00:00:29

Mark Out = 00:00:01:00, but that cannot be, as this DOES NOT EXIST in this file. It would be if it was placed in a timeline / on a striped tape

Duration however is 00:00:01:00 (one second)

Mind you, first frame is labeled 0 (zero) in timecode, but is in fact a frame. ('Frame 1 is at TC 00:00:00:00")

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On 17 Oct 2024, at 09:41, John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

Unfortunately I have to do what they ask.  I know when I make H_264s from Avid when I link back to the resulting file it always stops two frames before the end of the file when linked.  If I open the same file in QT player etc... I see all the frames.  For example the file ends at ;29 but when linked back to in Avid the last frame displayed is :27.  It's been that way for a long time.  I hadn't realized "Switch" was a server thing but perhaps it has a similar quirk.  I've asked the network for clarification.  My biggest concern is when they say 21:01 or 30:03 are those last frames inclusive out points or exclusive out points.  Should I have video on the :01 or :03 frame?

Re: [Avid-L2] Delivery Spec Curiosity? 30 and 20 second durations?

Unfortunately I have to do what they ask.  I know when I make H_264s from Avid when I link back to the resulting file it always stops two frames before the end of the file when linked.  If I open the same file in QT player etc... I see all the frames.  For example the file ends at ;29 but when linked back to in Avid the last frame displayed is :27.  It's been that way for a long time.  I hadn't realized "Switch" was a server thing but perhaps it has a similar quirk.  I've asked the network for clarification.  My biggest concern is when they say 21:01 or 30:03 are those last frames inclusive out points or exclusive out points.  Should I have video on the :01 or :03 frame?

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Re: [Avid-L2] Delivery Spec Curiosity? 30 and 20 second durations?

From memory, some broadcasters want their 2 or 3 frames black interval between spots encoded in the file. That could explain it.

I don't know what Switch is, but counting frames is not that difficult.

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On 17 Oct 2024, at 06:31, Mark Spano <cutandcover@gmail.com> wrote:

The only reason someone would write this spec is if they were constricted to use an app that tells time in a specifically bad way. I'm sure Switch is a decent program, but if it shows a 30 second spot as 30:03, it is a total failure.

I would just ignore it. 30 seconds is 30 seconds. We're not dumb, they are.

On Wed, Oct 16, 2024 at 5:30 PM John Moore via groups.io <bigfish=pacbell.net@groups.io> wrote:

Today's addition to my file deliveries was this note:

 

Duration: in Switch, :30 promos should be exactly :30.03, :20 promos should be :20.01 –
 these must be frame exact.

 

I do not understand this at all why would the network want the 30 second to be technically 4 frames over 30 second and the 20 second to be 2 frames over.  In my book and Avid's my last frame should be :29 given we are delivering in 29.97.  What am I missing here?  Even applying Drop vs. Non Drop it makes no sense.

Re: [Avid-L2] Delivery Spec Curiosity? 30 and 20 second durations?

The only reason someone would write this spec is if they were constricted to use an app that tells time in a specifically bad way. I'm sure Switch is a decent program, but if it shows a 30 second spot as 30:03, it is a total failure.

I would just ignore it. 30 seconds is 30 seconds. We're not dumb, they are.

On Wed, Oct 16, 2024 at 5:30 PM John Moore via groups.io <bigfish=pacbell.net@groups.io> wrote:

Today's addition to my file deliveries was this note:

 

Duration: in Switch, :30 promos should be exactly :30.03, :20 promos should be :20.01 –
 these must be frame exact.

 

I do not understand this at all why would the network want the 30 second to be technically 4 frames over 30 second and the 20 second to be 2 frames over.  In my book and Avid's my last frame should be :29 given we are delivering in 29.97.  What am I missing here?  Even applying Drop vs. Non Drop it makes no sense.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Delivery Spec Curiosity? 30 and 20 second durations?

Today's addition to my file deliveries was this note:

 

Duration: in Switch, :30 promos should be exactly :30.03, :20 promos should be :20.01 –
 these must be frame exact.

 

I do not understand this at all why would the network want the 30 second to be technically 4 frames over 30 second and the 20 second to be 2 frames over.  In my book and Avid's my last frame should be :29 given we are delivering in 29.97.  What am I missing here?  Even applying Drop vs. Non Drop it makes no sense.

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The effect in the form of rising positions will be visible throughout the month.
Terms of site promotion in the top 3 for all requests = 5-7 months.
Further, when the site will be in the top 3, it is no longer necessary to promote it, since the position is maintained thanks to behavioral factors and regular transitions from the search to the site upon request.
Once a year, you can do position analytics, and if some drops were noticeable, you can restore promotion and optimization for a month to correct problems and return positions to the top 3.


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A list of requests for which you can and should promote your site in search. And by which people can find your site by driving these requests into the search bar Google or Yandex.

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2. Increase in target audience by 2-3 times and higher.
3. Since I work on my own, and not in a company, my cost is much lower than what companies charge.
4. Payment upon the work, did the work - paid.
5. You will have more time and energy left, as I undertake all the work of attracting clients.
6. The growth of the site's position on targeted requests in the first month of operation
7. Reports on each step of the work and assistance on issues of website promotion and optimization.


What is included in the service:

1. Compilation of the semantic core (list of keywords on the subject of the site).
2. Analysis of the site for errors and their correction and optimization for key phrases.
3. Search and purchase of high-quality links to your site directly from site owners who do not sell links to exchanges to everyone, which will make it possible to get the maximum link weight and not risk being sanctioned for bad links purchased through exchanges and aggregators.


Promotion cost:

47 euro / Month for work + 94 euro / Month cost of 50-70 links to your site = 140 euro/ Month total cost of promotion.
But so that you do not take risks, I do not take payment in advance, so we can divide 140 euro into 3 work steps (which are written above) 47 euro = 1 step, only 3 work steps. From the second month, payment will be immediately 140 euro per month.


Promotion terms:

The effect in the form of rising positions will be visible throughout the month.
Terms of site promotion in the top 3 for all requests = 5-7 months.
Further, when the site will be in the top 3, it is no longer necessary to promote it, since the position is maintained thanks to behavioral factors and regular transitions from the search to the site upon request.
Once a year, you can do position analytics, and if some drops were noticeable, you can restore promotion and optimization for a month to correct problems and return positions to the top 3.


Detailed promotion plan:

1 step. I compose a complete semantic core of queries.
A list of requests for which you can and should promote your site in search. And by which people can find your site by driving these requests into the search bar Google or Yandex.

2 step. I will analyze the site for technical errors.
This will allow you to identify errors on the site that may interfere with the promotion. Errors can be contained in the code of the site or page, errors in the script, broken, broken links (when your site links to another site or page that does not exist).
External links that are not open from indexing to other people's sites, improper linking or lack thereof, improperly distributed site weights, when a page is unnecessary for promotion, receives the most weight, and the pages you need receive very little weight from the entire site.

3 step. I do a search and purchase of quality links to your site.
When the site is fully optimized, it has the right content, with the optimal volume, the required entries, then it is advisable to start the external promotion of the site - the purchase of high-quality links to the site.
I will begin a step-by-step and gradual purchase of rental links to your site with the necessary anchors taken from the semantic core of requests.
This will allow you to raise your site to the top 3 according to your needs, increase traffic and convert your visitor into a permanent customer of your goods and services.

4 step. Continuous technical support and reporting.
This allows you to ask your question on Skype at any time, as well as see what I have done for a specific period, for example, day, week, month.
I provide reports on what and where links to your site were purchased, what are the errors on the site that need to be fixed, see the real growth of the site's position and much more.

Best regards, Alexander, SEO specialist in the field of website promotion.

For quick communication (I don't answer emails):
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