Saturday, December 25, 2010

[Avid-L2] Re: Merry Christmas

 

Happy Holidays to all...we are having a white Christmas in Virginia! Ten inches of snow on the way, which will probably shut us down for several days....this is the south, y'all...!

sw

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Multimediac <mr_ree_mann@...> wrote:
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> OMG  WTH ...it's the story of Christmas in the Twitter age
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUY3ro_9FJ4&feature=aso
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> Happy new year....2011
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[Avid-L2] Merry Christmas

 

OMG  WTH ...it's the story of Christmas in the Twitter age
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUY3ro_9FJ4&feature=aso

Happy new year....2011
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: OT: Festive Wishes

 

Happy Christmas to all, especially Mark Anderson who underwent such a
harrowing experience of late. The L did send help all the way from the
North Pole. Saint Nick and his 8 reindeer, he should have arrived last
night.

And as he flew out of sight, or in this case site, Merry Christmas to
all and to all a good night.

DD

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> Merry Christmas to everyone in the group from Paris, France. I too am
> looking forwrd to an exciting 2011
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> > Just a short note to say Merry Christmas to everyone on the list!
> Thanks to everyone who's chipped in to help me with my problems over
> the past year... I really, really appreciate you taking time out to help.
> >
> > Here's to 2011 and the interesting things it'll bring. I'm sure
> it'll be an exciting year!
> >
> > Chris Pitbladdo
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[Avid-L2] Re: OT: Festive Wishes

 

Merry Christmas to everyone in the group from Paris, France. I too am looking forwrd to an exciting 2011
Christopher Lowden

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Pitbladdo <avid@...> wrote:
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> Just a short note to say Merry Christmas to everyone on the list! Thanks to everyone who's chipped in to help me with my problems over the past year... I really, really appreciate you taking time out to help.
>
> Here's to 2011 and the interesting things it'll bring. I'm sure it'll be an exciting year!
>
> Chris Pitbladdo
> (from a boat, in the middle of The Irish Sea)
>
>
>
> ***
> Christopher Pitbladdo
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> Tel: 0131 552 553 0
> Mob: 07590 570 683
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Friday, December 24, 2010

[Avid-L2] Re: FCP chops one frame of Avid exported QT prores 422 HQ clip

 

John,

OK, I did the test with 29.97 and see the problem. Not sure if it's a bug or a design issue, but it seems to be related to fractional TC rates (29.97, 23.98) and how FCP calculates duration. The last visual frame is chopped off in FCP, but not in QT Player.

It's either an inclusive/exclusive in/out point issue, or FCP is rounding based on a true 30fps count. Therefore this 2:24 duration clip comes it as 2:23 in FCP, with the last frame inaccessible within the FCP master clip and/or timeline.

If you are sending from an MC sequence, select the first frame of the following clip as the Mark Out and export with marks. Then, you'll be OK in FCP.

- Oliver

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[Avid-L2] Re: FCP chops one frame of Avid exported QT prores 422 HQ clip

 

> so maybe there is some issue with fractional
> rates or Avid's ProRes export.

Same results with an MC5 ProRes export.

- Oliver

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[Avid-L2] Re: FCP chops one frame of Avid exported QT prores 422 HQ clip

 

John,

FWIW - I'm not seeing it. MC5 export. Import and render in FCP7. AMA back into MC5. Durations stay intact. I am doing this on a 25fps project with MC export as Same As Source, though, so maybe there is some issue with fractional rates or Avid's ProRes export. If I get a chance, I'll test that later.

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[Avid-L2] OT: Festive Wishes

 

Just a short note to say Merry Christmas to everyone on the list! Thanks to everyone who's chipped in to help me with my problems over the past year... I really, really appreciate you taking time out to help.

Here's to 2011 and the interesting things it'll bring. I'm sure it'll be an exciting year!

Chris Pitbladdo
(from a boat, in the middle of The Irish Sea)

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Thursday, December 23, 2010

[Avid-L2] Re: FCP chops one frame of Avid exported QT prores 422 HQ clip

 

These are shots that have no good region to stabilize so the Avid effect isn't to effective and smoothcam seems to do a pretty amazing job on these shots. You may be right about AE but I'd heard good things about smoothcam, I think it's something from shake IIRC. Since I don't use AE much I figured I'd try FCP.

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> John - completely stupid question here...
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> Why are you using FCP for this as opposed to AE, or even Avid's
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> > Yeah I guess I could shot gun but I'm dealing with a finished sequence that
> > I'm pulling the clips from. You're right I could extend the shot before I
> > export then hopefully remember to trim it back when I import the clip. Right
> > now I've been doing the opposite and pulling back the the incoming shot a
> > frame. Shhhhhhh don't tell the offline guys I'm sure that one frame will
> > upset the comic timing to where the scene will lose all it's humor and once
> > again I'll be leaving the funny on the floor. ;-)
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[Avid-L2] Re: FCP chops one frame of Avid exported QT prores 422 HQ clip

 

I burned time code into the file to determine it was the last frame missing.

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> You know, it occurs to me, do you even KNOW that the frame is being lost off the end? Why, it could be coming from anywhere!
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> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:49 pm
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP chops one frame of Avid exported QT prores 422 HQ clip
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> Yeah I guess I could shot gun but I'm dealing with a finished sequence that I'm
>
> pulling the clips from. You're right I could extend the shot before I export
>
> then hopefully remember to trim it back when I import the clip. Right now I've
>
> been doing the opposite and pulling back the the incoming shot a frame.
>
> Shhhhhhh don't tell the offline guys I'm sure that one frame will upset the
>
> comic timing to where the scene will lose all it's humor and once again I'll be
>
> leaving the funny on the floor. ;-)
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>
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Shirley Gutierrez <guanacaa@> wrote:
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> > John,
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> > Maybe you should just plan to add an extra frame you don't want to the end of
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> > Happy holidays, and I sure hope you get this one figured out.
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> > Best,
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> > Sent: Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:02 pm
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> > Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP chops one frame of Avid exported QT prores 422 HQ
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> > Put a window burn into my qt prores 422 HQ exports from Avid on a mac sndx
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> > mac os 10.5.6 and all the frames are in the exported qt but as soon as I
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> > the QT into my FCP project it loses the last frame. I can open the original
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> > with QT 10 on my mbp os 10.6.4 and see all the frames but as soon as I import
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> > just drag the qt into FCP 6.06 the last frame is missing in FCP and any export
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> > from FCP is short the one frame WTF????
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> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@> wrote:
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> > one frame short and the time code ends a frame early. Weird.
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> > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "oliverpetersvidy" <oliverpeters@> wrote:
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Mono to Stereo Mixdown how many db down -6 or -3 or what?

 

If the system is aligned properly there should be no phase difference
between left and right. In the digital domain in theory it is much
easier than in analogue. In the good old days I spent a lot of time
aligning heads to minimize phase differences.

However I am sure we have all sat at home and heard massive phase
problems on various shows. They are getting rarer.

DD

On 12/22/2010 1:08 PM, David Kuther wrote:
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> That's what I was thinking. How do you take 2 mono tracks and make
> them stereo
> without having phase issues?
>
> ________________________________
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> Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 2:52:47 PM
> Subject: RE: [Avid-L2] Re: Mono to Stereo Mixdown how many db down -6
> or -3 or
> what?
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> Sounds like they are asking for phase problems.
>
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> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Mono to Stereo Mixdown how many db down -6 or -3 or
> what?
>
> I'm happy that I'm doing the best I can with a mono fx track to give them
> something to work with down the line. Now when it comes to this thing
> called
> comp mono or shadow mono where they prep two mono tracks so when
> summed they
> equal the stereo mix in level I just don't quite get why they don't just
> take a single mono track for the mono needs. Must have something in their
> distribution chain that warrants this dual mono stem.
>
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> > Yes, well a definite maybe. Are you happy with the mix?
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> > DD
> >
> > On 12/21/2010 5:03 PM, John Moore wrote:
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> > > I posted the opposite workflow question a while back. When I take two
> > > stereo tracks, dialoge, vo , effects etc.... and create a mono audio
> > > mixdown I drop the resulting track -6db. This has been confirmed on
> > > this list. When I take a mono track and want to make it stereo do I
> > > drop the mono track -6db when going to each stereo track? I know it
> > > won't be a stereo signal but in my case I have stereo music stems but
> > > only a mono effects stem. I want to create a "stereo" M & E track so
> > > before mixing down the mono effects with each stereo music track I'm
> > > dropping the effects track -6db. If I feed my little behringer
> > > mixboard 0 tone with it panned full left or right when I pan to the
> > > center each track rides about -6db as best I can tell from the led
> > > meter so I'm pretty sure I'm correct. I've read that the audio
> > > ballistics of pan pots can have different curves in fact I think some
> > > of the digital boards even let you decide how the pan pots sum a
> > > signal in the center but that really doesn't seem to apply to my
> > > situation. So is -6db the magic number in this case? My high school
> > > math and electronics class seems like a long time ago every time I
> > > deal with logs.
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP chops one frame of Avid exported QT prores 422 HQ clip

 

John - completely stupid question here...

Why are you using FCP for this as opposed to AE, or even Avid's
stabilization? Seems like more of a hassle to me...

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> Yeah I guess I could shot gun but I'm dealing with a finished sequence that
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> export then hopefully remember to trim it back when I import the clip. Right
> now I've been doing the opposite and pulling back the the incoming shot a
> frame. Shhhhhhh don't tell the offline guys I'm sure that one frame will
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> again I'll be leaving the funny on the floor. ;-)
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