Saturday, April 16, 2011

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP X... Discuss...

 

No worries! The wrong number on the bottom line would make anybody grumpy!

Best,
Shirley

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Ummm sorry for the nasty post Avid-L'rs. I should have paused before I
posted. Just found out I owe Uncle Sam some bread.

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RE: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP X... Discuss...

 

Ummm sorry for the nasty post Avid-L'rs. I should have paused before I
posted. Just found out I owe Uncle Sam some bread.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP X... Discuss...

Leave your stepping stones behind, something calls for you
Forget the dead you've left, they will not follow you
The vagabond who's rapping at your door
Is standing in the clothes that you once wore
Strike another match, go start anew

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On Apr 16, 2011, at 11:33 PM, Shirley Gutierrez wrote:

> Search capabilities and criteria based collections are always good to have. There's no downside there. But it seems not good if Apple decides that FCP X is like a basket that only holds so much, and in order to add something sexy like range keywording, they something less sexy but also useful, like subclips. Why can't an NLE do both?
>
> Shirley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oliverpetersvidy <oliverpeters@oliverpeters.com>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:37 pm
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP X... Discuss...
>
> > Shirley Gutierrez wrote:
> > Rather than fix them, they did this.
>
> I think that's the wrong way to look at it. This is a redesign - not a "fix".
> Many of these concepts already exist in Aperture.
>
> I'm working on a project right now in which Smart Collections would really be
> nice to have.
>
> - Oliver
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RE: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP X... Discuss...

 

I've been on a TV show in a cave in the middle of nowhere since last
Wednesday. I'm finally just checking my e-mails.

Holy shit!, 83 posts on FCP X? This is the Avid-L isn't it? If I gave a
rat's ass about FCP-X, which I don't, I'd subscribe to the FCP list. Did
Avid have anything new or did Apple use mind control on everybody at NAB?
Next there will be 250 posts about how great Red is. ;-o Sheesh...

How was 3D progressing at NAB? Any significant OLED monitor announcements?

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP X... Discuss...

 

Search capabilities and criteria based collections are always good to have. There's no downside there. But it seems not good if Apple decides that FCP X is like a basket that only holds so much, and in order to add something sexy like range keywording, they something less sexy but also useful, like subclips. Why can't an NLE do both?

Shirley

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To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Apr 16, 2011 7:37 pm
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP X... Discuss...

> Shirley Gutierrez wrote:
> Rather than fix them, they did this.

I think that's the wrong way to look at it. This is a redesign - not a "fix".
Many of these concepts already exist in Aperture.

I'm working on a project right now in which Smart Collections would really be
nice to have.

- Oliver

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP X... Discuss...

 




"Keywording is not only searchable, but automatically organizes all "clips" into
keyword based bins. (I suspect old-style fixed bins are gone, but keywords
would do the job as well)."

Will I have options and choices on how I want to store and organize things, or does FCP X know best from now on? I definitely like the idea of being able to search across bins on the basis of keyword, but why does bin organization have to go away? Maybe I just want to create a location, put something in it, then retrieve it without having to perform a search operation. What if I forget what keywords I associated with the clip? Bins show me what I have whether I remember clip names or not, and sometimes when I go looking for the thing I want, I find the thing I really need right next to it.

I can see the advantages of keywords, certainly; but for Apple to decide that this is the only way to work (if that's the case), sounds rather patronizing to me. Patronizing in the same way that deciding I don't need a source window anymore is patronizing.

Shirley

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Sent: Sat, Apr 16, 2011 4:46 pm
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On Apr 16, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Multimediac wrote:

> Will have to try it but I don't really see any difference between this and
using markers. With markers, when you click on them in the browser it opens as a
subclip in the viewer; or... if you load the entire clip in the viewer and jump
from marker to marker, the clip remains in tact.
>
> Unless "keywording" is searchable.

Keywording is not only searchable, but automatically organizes all "clips" into
keyword based bins. (I suspect old-style fixed bins are gone, but keywords
would do the job as well).

But you can't have 10 markers that overlap. You can have 10 or any number of
range based keywords that overlap, or not. "smart collections automatically
created for keywords" (Ubillos) and "The collection is based on Queries"
(Steinaur). (Which also leads me to believe I am wrong that the project format
is XML based, but that's another blog post).

Philip

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[Avid-L2] Re: FCP X... Discuss...

 

> Shirley Gutierrez wrote:
> Rather than fix them, they did this.

I think that's the wrong way to look at it. This is a redesign - not a "fix". Many of these concepts already exist in Aperture.

I'm working on a project right now in which Smart Collections would really be nice to have.

- Oliver

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[Avid-L2] Re: SR/SR-lite AMA plug in Released? Now Installed ama plugins console command

 

So would uninstalling Avid 5.0 uninstall the legacy ama plug ins? Is there an ama plugin uninstaller or is this a manual process. I haven't found a folder akin to the avx plug in folder to remove these. Where would these be located. Since I just installed them all I assume I"m current but down the line when there are updates I would like to know the proper preceedure.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Terence Curren" <tcurren@...> wrote:
>
> Now that the AMA installers are separate, you will have to uninstall / install them yourself.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@> wrote:
> >
> > I uninstalled Avid before installing 5.5 is there another step for macs? I'm not having any problem so far but I'm just curious.
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Terence Curren" <tcurren@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Did you uninstall the older ones before installing the new AMA plugs?
> > >
> > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Here's the dump on my Avid for AMA. Curious why there are both mvp and msp files for SonyXDCAM and SonyXDCAMEX. I haven't got the media to check if everything is working correctly. It probably is but does anybody know why the double files mvp and msp?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > IkegamiGFCam MSP Plug-In Avid Technology, Inc. 3.5
> > > > MSP_MXF Plug-In Avid Technology, Inc. 1.4
> > > > PanasonicP2 MSP Plug-In Avid Technology, Inc. 2.4
> > > > MSP_SonyXDCAM Avid Technology, Inc. 2.0
> > > > MSP_SonyXDCAMEXMP4 Sony Corporation 1.4000
> > > > MVP_CanonXF CANON INC. 1.0
> > > > IkegamiGFCam MVP Plug-In Avid Technology, Inc. 3.5
> > > > QuickTime Plug-In Avid Technology, Inc. 1.2
> > > > RED R3D Plug-In (R3DSDK v3.1) Avid Technology, Inc. 1.5
> > > > MVP_MSP_SonySRDeck Sony Corporation 1.0
> > > > PanasonicP2 MVP Plug-In Avid Technology, Inc. 2.4
> > > > MVP_SonyXDCAM Avid Technology, Inc. 2.1
> > > > MVP_SonyXDCAMEX Sony Corporation 1.4000
> > > > SonyXDCAM Sony Corporation 1.1003
> > > >
> > > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Now it's there, Yeah. If your curious about which ama plugins and the version numbers installed I found this in the ama guide:
> > > > >
> > > > > Viewing Installed AMA Plug-ins
> > > > > Once you download and install a third-party plug-in from www.avid.com/ama, you can enter a console command to view a list and the version number of the plug-ins installed on your system.
> > > > > To display the list of installed AMA plugins:
> > > > > 1. Select Tools > Console. 2. In the command entry text box, type: AMA_ListPlugins 3. Press Enter (Windows) or Return (Macintosh).
> > > > > AMA_ListPlugins displays a list of the plugins installed on your system.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bueller, Bueller, Bueller....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, John Moore <bigfish@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I met Samantha at the Sony booth Wednesday and she said the SR-lite plug in was released Monday.  I just went to the AMA plugin page and I don't see it listed.  It still says coming soon.  Here's where I looked for it:
> > > > > > > http://www.avid.com/US/products/Avid-Media-Access/plug-ins
> > > > > > > If it's out shouldn't it appear on this page?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John Moore
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Barking Trout Productions
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Studio City, CA
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > bigfish@
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP X... Discuss...

 


I think keywording is in fact searchable. I've argued for a long time that I want all the bin functionality, including all the different sifts and sorts, and range selection, included in the locators window in MC. If they did this, I'm not sure keywording would have any more to offer. Until they do, it probably does.

Shirley

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Sent: Sat, Apr 16, 2011 4:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP X... Discuss...

Will have to try it but I don't really see any difference between this and using
markers. With markers, when you click on them in the browser it opens as a
subclip in the viewer; or... if you load the entire clip in the viewer and jump
from marker to marker, the clip remains in tact.

Unless "keywording" is searchable.
g

On Apr 16, 2011, at 4:00 PM, Terence Curren wrote:

>

> In FCP X, it appears you can select a section of a clip and add keywords. That
effectively makes it a subclip without existing separately.

Absolutely. In fact I'd be surprised if there was anything like the old subclip
because this is much more flexible. One clip can have keywords across the whole
clip (and all the clip/file metadata is in that category) plus range-based
keywording that can overlap fulfilling the role of Subclips.

Philip

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP X... Discuss...

 

Apple probably did this because subclips were always broken in FCP. Rather than fix them, they did this. It may be better in some ways, worse in others. Sometimes I like seeing subclip head frames in a bin.

Shirley

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Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP X... Discuss...

In FCP X, it appears you can select a section of a clip and add keywords. That
effectively makes it a subclip without existing separately.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@...> wrote:
>
> For example: Just today I learned that you can do "selects" and "reject" or
hide bad footage in your captures in iMovie. That makes it a lot more useful.
Basically it allows you to subclip, in a way. The trimming model is interesting.
Some of the ways to deal with clips and transitions and even audio in the
"sequence" are very interesting. There are definitely a lot of obstacles to
using iMovie for professional work, but seeing some of the UI solutions that
iMovie uses in editing definitely show potential. It's THESE things that I think
Apple is considering using in FCP X.
>
> Steve Hullfish
> contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
>
> On Apr 16, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Jimmy Dutt wrote:
>
> >
> > On Apr 16, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Andy wrote:
> >
> > > If your question is serious Jimmy, then you I believe Steve was referring
to the latest version ie iMovie '11 aka iMovie 9.0.x
> >
> > My questions are almost always serious. Answers are a different story.
> >
> > I'll grab a "demo" next week and play with it down the road at some point.
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP X... Discuss...

 


On Apr 16, 2011, at 4:42 PM, Scott Ham wrote:

> Can I scrub through a "string" comprised of all the clips associated with a
> keyword?

You could look into the Smart Collection and put the "bin" into filmstrip mode and see a filmstrip view of all the clips in that bin, strung out to skim through. So yes.

> What's the process for differentiating between clips within a
> relative keyword? A second keyword? How elegant is the interface to let me
> make the distinction between clips within a relative keyword?

Flexible compound searching as it's all based on Queries anyway.
>
> Could I ask anymore questions?

Probably. :) Would be nice if anyone (including me) had answers that were more than inference and guesses though. But having the high resolution screen shots Apple sent me, there does not appear to be anything but Smart collections based on the keywords.

In fact dragging a clip to a smart collection adds the keyword of that collection to that clip, "adding it to the bin".

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On Apr 16, 2011, at 4:35 PM, David Chmura wrote:

> Right. But often I don't have time to do that level of organization and I just want to park something in a special bin so I don't lose it. Subclips are ideal for that.

Add a keyword, and you have your specific bin. All advantage, no disadvantage.
>
> I don't know what the keyword is... just save the darn section some place where I can get it later!

All keywords have Smart Collections associated with them
>
> I've tried some of these keyword/organizing programs (iDive, for example) and I think I rarely have enough time to use them effectively.

You will learn. Or you'll go to Media composer :) There doesn't seem to be any other way to do it.

Randy Ubillos also said this...

"To get around this you had to do things like subclipping and a whole range of other things. With range based keywording you can..."

When subclips are described as a workaround, you can pretty much guarantee they're now obsolete.

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