Saturday, March 10, 2012

Re: [Avid-L2] Semi-OT: Timeline of the cinema

Thanks for sharing that Terry.
I'll be sharing it as well!

Cheers,

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On Mar 10, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Terence Curren wrote:

> This is clever:
>
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[Avid-L2] Re: Digital equivalent to SOT

 

Wait I grew up with TV term MOS for man on the street which now is sometimes called SOT or the more confusing OTF, which I'm told is for "On The Fly" but is used to describe MOS, SOT, or sound bite. These days when I get an SOT of some SOB and it's shot on the Canon 5D MOS and I have to find the audio WTF is an editor supposed to do with all these BFD's. I for one wouldn't mind going back to a time when the only concern was whether it was 3/4 to 1 inch or beta to 1 inch and how big was my switcher.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, electropura212 <electropura212@...> wrote:
>
> NMOS
>
> Not mit out sound
>
> On Friday, March 9, 2012, RobertL <rlandau@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > SOB - Sound on Bits
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Frank Felker <FJFelker@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I labeled a bin today as having SOT clips and it got me wondering if
> there
> >> is a modern digital term for the same thing.
> >>
> >> SIF - sound in file ?
> >> CWS - clip with sound ?
> >>
> >> Just musing ...
> >>
> >> Frank Felker
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Experience with native RED workflow in MC v.6?

 

nah, have to do it in Avid.
On AMA and import, there are no reelnames (well, not sure where AMA stores
the links, as it takes filename for reelname or something)
So batch add reelnames in Avid, make sure you have different reelnames for
overlapping timecodes..
hth,

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shirley Gutierrez" <guanacaa@aol.com>
To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Experience with native RED workflow in MC v.6?

> Hi Bouke,
>
>
> At what point would you assign the reel names? Would it have to happen
> first in the RED environment?
>
>
> Shirley
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bouke <bouke@editb.nl>
> To: Avid-L2 <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:41 am
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Experience with native RED workflow in MC v.6?
>
>
> Well, in my experience you can relink if you have identical TC and assign
> reelnames...
>
> Bouke
>
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> van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
> 6512 AS NIJMEGEN
> The Netherlands
> +31 24 3553311
> www.videotoolshed.com
> For large files:
> http://dropbox.yousendit.com/BoukeVahl998172
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terence Curren" <tcurren@aol.com>
> To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 7:28 PM
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Experience with native RED workflow in MC v.6?
>
>
> Hi Shirley,
>
> AMA will only help if the originals were brought in via AMA and then
> transcoded to DNxHD. If they were imported, the AMA clips won't relink to
> them. My suggested workflow would be to lock your edit in MC, send that to
> Redcine X for conform. And then send all of that back to MC if you have a
> lot of effects work or want to do more color correction.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Shirley Gutierrez <guanacaa@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> I've inherited a revision of a half hour project that was shot on RED,
>> and
>> I'm trying to research the options for finishing workflows. The clips in
>> the offline timeline are transcodes to DNX45, and it seems the first time
>> around they finished in Smoke, which is not an option in this case. At
>> least for now, the plan is to do an online right in MC, not Symphony
>> (Lion
>> 10.7.3, MC 6.0.1). My understanding is that we have all the original RED
>> files available to us, and a cursory trip through the Avid websites
>> indicates that there's an AMA plugin for RED which we could presumably
>> acquire.
>>
>>
>> If any of you have links to white papers or articles, or just have some
>> basic experience you can share, I would be grateful. I'm not in front of
>> the platform itself right now, but it's a reasonably robust MacPro
>> desktop
>> with expanded RAM about 18 months old. Sorry not to have exact specs, but
>> I thought it worthwhile to start thinking about this now.
>>
>>
>> Many thanks in advance!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Shirley
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[Avid-L2] Semi-OT: Timeline of the cinema

 

This is clever:

https://vimeo.com/37106377

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Re: [Avid-L2] AMA relink with Canon 5D files

 

If I was unclear- don't use import. Definitely AMA, the transcode.

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On Mar 10, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Greg Huson <Greg@SecretHQ.com> wrote:

> Oliver peters details his workflow - http://digitalfilms.wordpress.com/2010/10/09/easy-canon-5d-post-–-round-iii/
>
> But that doesn't solve your problem, exactly. Media Composer puts black at 16 and white at 235 to allow for too- dark and too-white. The 'Full' RGB of quicktime had always bugged me, but lately I'm not sure it isn't better for file based capture. That said, try a 1:1 HD RGB 444 project- see if it rescales the video when you transcode from canon. I don't think it does, but I'm not at the machine to try it. I suppose you'll be up-sampling the canon crap to 10 bit, but that shouldn't hurt it. Then make your tiff or dpx sequence from there. Do a little test project, needless to say.
>
> Another option would be to assemble the film in resolve lite or something- but that would probably require that you inserted time code into the qt before you AMA'd.
>
> Probably all stuff you've considered, but I'd be interested to know how you solve the problem. I just ran into some problems in SD this week by going back and forth between 601 and RGB (exacerbated a 'concatenating compression error') so this contrast thing has been on my mind.
>
> GH
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> On Mar 10, 2012, at 7:13 AM, "pierrehaberer" <ph@cineaste.org> wrote:
>
> > I've posted that question on the forum, but there are a lot of knowledgable people here who don't necessarily read them. So I'll add it here too.
> >
> > I'm reaching the end of a film cut on 5.5. Film was shot on Canon 5D MkII, then all the files came on two hard drives on which each card had been copied. We linked all those folders to bins (one bin per camera card) using AMA, then each clip was transcoded to DNxHD36, one bin at the time. Hundred hours of footage.
> >
> > Now the edit is done, and it's time to go back to the original camera files. It's my first film shot on a 5D, but I followed a similar workflow on several films before which were shot on XDCam and on which everything went smoothly: Link via AMA / Transcode to DNX36 / Edit / Relink final sequence to original XDCam / Export Tiff sequence for color grading on Colorus.
> >
> > But I just talked to the colorist and he said that AMA for 5D on Media Composer 5.5 is a bit flakey because it modifies the luma range of the picture. Fine, I can use MC6 just for the relink. I need to export tiff files that would have the full 000-255 range: what is the best way to do that when I relink my final sequence? Any settings (project settings, etc) I should be aware of? What settings for export?
> >
> > Thanks to all the AMA experts out there!
> > Pierre
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Experience with native RED workflow in MC v.6?

 

Hi Bouke,

At what point would you assign the reel names? Would it have to happen first in the RED environment?

Shirley

-----Original Message-----
From: bouke <bouke@editb.nl>
To: Avid-L2 <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:41 am
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Experience with native RED workflow in MC v.6?

Well, in my experience you can relink if you have identical TC and assign
reelnames...

Bouke

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From: "Terence Curren" <tcurren@aol.com>
To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 7:28 PM
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Experience with native RED workflow in MC v.6?

Hi Shirley,

AMA will only help if the originals were brought in via AMA and then
transcoded to DNxHD. If they were imported, the AMA clips won't relink to
them. My suggested workflow would be to lock your edit in MC, send that to
Redcine X for conform. And then send all of that back to MC if you have a
lot of effects work or want to do more color correction.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Shirley Gutierrez <guanacaa@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I've inherited a revision of a half hour project that was shot on RED, and
> I'm trying to research the options for finishing workflows. The clips in
> the offline timeline are transcodes to DNX45, and it seems the first time
> around they finished in Smoke, which is not an option in this case. At
> least for now, the plan is to do an online right in MC, not Symphony (Lion
> 10.7.3, MC 6.0.1). My understanding is that we have all the original RED
> files available to us, and a cursory trip through the Avid websites
> indicates that there's an AMA plugin for RED which we could presumably
> acquire.
>
>
> If any of you have links to white papers or articles, or just have some
> basic experience you can share, I would be grateful. I'm not in front of
> the platform itself right now, but it's a reasonably robust MacPro desktop
> with expanded RAM about 18 months old. Sorry not to have exact specs, but
> I thought it worthwhile to start thinking about this now.
>
>
> Many thanks in advance!
>
>
> Best,
> Shirley
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Experience with native RED workflow in MC v.6?

 

Thanks Terry!

Shirley

-----Original Message-----
From: Terence Curren <tcurren@aol.com>
To: Avid-L2 <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:28 am
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Experience with native RED workflow in MC v.6?

Hi Shirley,

AMA will only help if the originals were brought in via AMA and then
transcoded to DNxHD. If they were imported, the AMA clips won't relink to them.
My suggested workflow would be to lock your edit in MC, send that to Redcine X
for conform. And then send all of that back to MC if you have a lot of effects
work or want to do more color correction.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Shirley Gutierrez <guanacaa@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I've inherited a revision of a half hour project that was shot on RED, and I'm
trying to research the options for finishing workflows. The clips in the offline
timeline are transcodes to DNX45, and it seems the first time around they
finished in Smoke, which is not an option in this case. At least for now, the
plan is to do an online right in MC, not Symphony (Lion 10.7.3, MC 6.0.1). My
understanding is that we have all the original RED files available to us, and a
cursory trip through the Avid websites indicates that there's an AMA plugin for
RED which we could presumably acquire.
>
>
> If any of you have links to white papers or articles, or just have some basic
experience you can share, I would be grateful. I'm not in front of the platform
itself right now, but it's a reasonably robust MacPro desktop with expanded RAM
about 18 months old. Sorry not to have exact specs, but I thought it worthwhile
to start thinking about this now.
>
>
> Many thanks in advance!
>
>
> Best,
> Shirley
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Experience with native RED workflow in MC v.6?

 

Well, in my experience you can relink if you have identical TC and assign
reelnames...

Bouke

VideoToolShed
van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Terence Curren" <tcurren@aol.com>
To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 7:28 PM
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Experience with native RED workflow in MC v.6?

Hi Shirley,

AMA will only help if the originals were brought in via AMA and then
transcoded to DNxHD. If they were imported, the AMA clips won't relink to
them. My suggested workflow would be to lock your edit in MC, send that to
Redcine X for conform. And then send all of that back to MC if you have a
lot of effects work or want to do more color correction.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Shirley Gutierrez <guanacaa@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I've inherited a revision of a half hour project that was shot on RED, and
> I'm trying to research the options for finishing workflows. The clips in
> the offline timeline are transcodes to DNX45, and it seems the first time
> around they finished in Smoke, which is not an option in this case. At
> least for now, the plan is to do an online right in MC, not Symphony (Lion
> 10.7.3, MC 6.0.1). My understanding is that we have all the original RED
> files available to us, and a cursory trip through the Avid websites
> indicates that there's an AMA plugin for RED which we could presumably
> acquire.
>
>
> If any of you have links to white papers or articles, or just have some
> basic experience you can share, I would be grateful. I'm not in front of
> the platform itself right now, but it's a reasonably robust MacPro desktop
> with expanded RAM about 18 months old. Sorry not to have exact specs, but
> I thought it worthwhile to start thinking about this now.
>
>
> Many thanks in advance!
>
>
> Best,
> Shirley
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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[Avid-L2] Re: Experience with native RED workflow in MC v.6?

 

Hi Shirley,

AMA will only help if the originals were brought in via AMA and then transcoded to DNxHD. If they were imported, the AMA clips won't relink to them. My suggested workflow would be to lock your edit in MC, send that to Redcine X for conform. And then send all of that back to MC if you have a lot of effects work or want to do more color correction.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Shirley Gutierrez <guanacaa@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I've inherited a revision of a half hour project that was shot on RED, and I'm trying to research the options for finishing workflows. The clips in the offline timeline are transcodes to DNX45, and it seems the first time around they finished in Smoke, which is not an option in this case. At least for now, the plan is to do an online right in MC, not Symphony (Lion 10.7.3, MC 6.0.1). My understanding is that we have all the original RED files available to us, and a cursory trip through the Avid websites indicates that there's an AMA plugin for RED which we could presumably acquire.
>
>
> If any of you have links to white papers or articles, or just have some basic experience you can share, I would be grateful. I'm not in front of the platform itself right now, but it's a reasonably robust MacPro desktop with expanded RAM about 18 months old. Sorry not to have exact specs, but I thought it worthwhile to start thinking about this now.
>
>
> Many thanks in advance!
>
>
> Best,
> Shirley
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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[Avid-L2] Re: AMA relink with Canon 5D files

 

Go get 'em Bouke! ;-)

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "bouke" <bouke@...> wrote:

<<and get another colorist.>>

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[Avid-L2] Experience with native RED workflow in MC v.6?

 

Hi,

I've inherited a revision of a half hour project that was shot on RED, and I'm trying to research the options for finishing workflows. The clips in the offline timeline are transcodes to DNX45, and it seems the first time around they finished in Smoke, which is not an option in this case. At least for now, the plan is to do an online right in MC, not Symphony (Lion 10.7.3, MC 6.0.1). My understanding is that we have all the original RED files available to us, and a cursory trip through the Avid websites indicates that there's an AMA plugin for RED which we could presumably acquire.

If any of you have links to white papers or articles, or just have some basic experience you can share, I would be grateful. I'm not in front of the platform itself right now, but it's a reasonably robust MacPro desktop with expanded RAM about 18 months old. Sorry not to have exact specs, but I thought it worthwhile to start thinking about this now.

Many thanks in advance!

Best,
Shirley

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Re: [Avid-L2] AMA relink with Canon 5D files

 

My experience and general feedback I have read are the exact opposite -
AMA is more dependable maintaining the proper gamma levels than
traditional import where there is a lot more involvement of the QT engine.

I just calibrated my monitor using X-Rite colorimeter and generated the
video test signals using AMA'd files. Confirmed it using a Leader HD scope.

I would relink AMA then transcode to what ever codec you prefer (DNX or
uncompressed). For Canon 7D/5D DNX185 should be more than sufficient.

.02

On 3/10/2012 10:13 AM, pierrehaberer wrote:
> I've posted that question on the forum, but there are a lot of knowledgable people here who don't necessarily read them. So I'll add it here too.
>
> I'm reaching the end of a film cut on 5.5. Film was shot on Canon 5D MkII, then all the files came on two hard drives on which each card had been copied. We linked all those folders to bins (one bin per camera card) using AMA, then each clip was transcoded to DNxHD36, one bin at the time. Hundred hours of footage.
>
> Now the edit is done, and it's time to go back to the original camera files. It's my first film shot on a 5D, but I followed a similar workflow on several films before which were shot on XDCam and on which everything went smoothly: Link via AMA / Transcode to DNX36 / Edit / Relink final sequence to original XDCam / Export Tiff sequence for color grading on Colorus.
>
> But I just talked to the colorist and he said that AMA for 5D on Media Composer 5.5 is a bit flakey because it modifies the luma range of the picture. Fine, I can use MC6 just for the relink. I need to export tiff files that would have the full 000-255 range: what is the best way to do that when I relink my final sequence? Any settings (project settings, etc) I should be aware of? What settings for export?
>
> Thanks to all the AMA experts out there!
> Pierre
>
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] AMA relink with Canon 5D files

 

Ha! Good answer.

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On Mar 10, 2012, at 10:02 AM, "bouke" <bouke@editb.nl> wrote:

> short answer:
> Decompose, take your media offline, re-import at 120 or 180 Mbits (10 bit is
> overkill) and get another colorist.
>
> Bouke
>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pierrehaberer" <ph@cineaste.org>
> To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 4:13 PM
> Subject: [Avid-L2] AMA relink with Canon 5D files
>
> I've posted that question on the forum, but there are a lot of knowledgable
> people here who don't necessarily read them. So I'll add it here too.
>
> I'm reaching the end of a film cut on 5.5. Film was shot on Canon 5D MkII,
> then all the files came on two hard drives on which each card had been
> copied. We linked all those folders to bins (one bin per camera card) using
> AMA, then each clip was transcoded to DNxHD36, one bin at the time. Hundred
> hours of footage.
>
> Now the edit is done, and it's time to go back to the original camera files.
> It's my first film shot on a 5D, but I followed a similar workflow on
> several films before which were shot on XDCam and on which everything went
> smoothly: Link via AMA / Transcode to DNX36 / Edit / Relink final sequence
> to original XDCam / Export Tiff sequence for color grading on Colorus.
>
> But I just talked to the colorist and he said that AMA for 5D on Media
> Composer 5.5 is a bit flakey because it modifies the luma range of the
> picture. Fine, I can use MC6 just for the relink. I need to export tiff
> files that would have the full 000-255 range: what is the best way to do
> that when I relink my final sequence? Any settings (project settings, etc) I
> should be aware of? What settings for export?
>
> Thanks to all the AMA experts out there!
> Pierre
>
>

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Re: [Avid-L2] AMA relink with Canon 5D files

 

short answer:
Decompose, take your media offline, re-import at 120 or 180 Mbits (10 bit is
overkill) and get another colorist.

Bouke

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From: "pierrehaberer" <ph@cineaste.org>
To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 4:13 PM
Subject: [Avid-L2] AMA relink with Canon 5D files

I've posted that question on the forum, but there are a lot of knowledgable
people here who don't necessarily read them. So I'll add it here too.

I'm reaching the end of a film cut on 5.5. Film was shot on Canon 5D MkII,
then all the files came on two hard drives on which each card had been
copied. We linked all those folders to bins (one bin per camera card) using
AMA, then each clip was transcoded to DNxHD36, one bin at the time. Hundred
hours of footage.

Now the edit is done, and it's time to go back to the original camera files.
It's my first film shot on a 5D, but I followed a similar workflow on
several films before which were shot on XDCam and on which everything went
smoothly: Link via AMA / Transcode to DNX36 / Edit / Relink final sequence
to original XDCam / Export Tiff sequence for color grading on Colorus.

But I just talked to the colorist and he said that AMA for 5D on Media
Composer 5.5 is a bit flakey because it modifies the luma range of the
picture. Fine, I can use MC6 just for the relink. I need to export tiff
files that would have the full 000-255 range: what is the best way to do
that when I relink my final sequence? Any settings (project settings, etc) I
should be aware of? What settings for export?

Thanks to all the AMA experts out there!
Pierre

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