Saturday, May 13, 2017

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Re-Linking Question

 

That might be possible although in some instances Avid seems to still relink to clips even if they are offline.  I can see where renaming or moving the original files might make them offline but then there is a secondary gotcha I've encountered.

If I ama to my camera originals and add appropriate LUTs and maybe use Frame Flex to rotate 180 degrees to hand an upside down camera I can then transcode and cut with the transcodes and still maintain the ability to relink to the ama camera originals.  If for some reason the ama clips get unlink, which might happen by moving or renaming the folder, then I've found no way to relink ama.  I think there use to be a relink ama command but it appears to have gone away or perhaps moved to a place I haven't found.  At any rate relink ama never worked for me.  What does work is to open a new bin and re ama link to the camera originals.  Then the original bin will also come back online.  The gotcha happens here because when I relink ama to the original camera media it erases any LUTs or Frame Flex I've originally added.  Fortunately my Luts and frame flex settings are pretty basic and I have usually dealt with a limited number of camera original files for my 4K shows.  A regular reality show would have disastrous fallout from losing the Lut and Frame flex parameters.

So I will have to do some tests when I have time to see if you method of folder move or rename breaks the ama link in a non retrievable way without losing LUT and frame flex.  There may be other metadata that would be lost but those are the two I've run into.



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <pale.edit@...> wrote :

Had not experienced that issue.

If you keep the original source file together in a folder, then take them all offline by renaming the folder or moving it, could you avoid that scenario?


On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 5:47 PM bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

The one instance I have had issue with link and transcode is when I link to sources and transcode but still have access to the original material I linked to.  I've had instances where when both the transcode and the original source are still online my sequence that was originally rendered using the transcoded media inadvertently relinks back to the ama'd source.  This tends to lose the render and now I can't do QT ref exports because the sequence now has ama'd clips as it's source.

It's not a big issue but when I get production logos for the end of the show I tend to still have access to the original file as I store it with the project so if I don't do a traditional import for the logos I run the risk of them reverting to the ama original.

For my 4K workflows I use ama link and transcode without issue when it comes to online relinking to original ama'd clips.



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <cutandcover@...> wrote :

Yes. I don't know why anyone imports anything any more (other than of course items with alphas, as these can't be transcoded). Link and transcode. It's literally many times faster.

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 3:33 PM, John Pale pale.edit@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I've gotten it to work numerous times linking by source file name.

Personally,  I would not import the stuff, but use Link to Media , then Transcode.  This is what you should be teaching these guys anyway, rather than legacy import.



On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:21 PM bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

In my experience with traditional imports if you just reimport the same file it will not relink to the same file imported a 2nd time etc...  For example when uprezzing I have to batch import files that were imported and used in the sequence.  That works but if I just re import that same file the sequence will not relink to it.  Now that there are more choices as to how to relink perhaps one of those options like src file name, or whatever it is called, will let you relink.  Or the old school method was to add a tape name to the clips and relink based on that.  With the new options I wouldn't use a tape name but another column data to relink by.

If the clips were ama linked and transcoded in my experience that will relink just fine.



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <pale.edit@...> wrote :

It should relink, no problem if it is identical. 



On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 3:34 PM clbrannan@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi John,


Thanks for the response. All media ingested via Import, and all Quicktimes were identical. 


Thanks again,

Chris


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Re-Linking Question

 

Had not experienced that issue.

If you keep the original source file together in a folder, then take them all offline by renaming the folder or moving it, could you avoid that scenario?


On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 5:47 PM bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

The one instance I have had issue with link and transcode is when I link to sources and transcode but still have access to the original material I linked to.  I've had instances where when both the transcode and the original source are still online my sequence that was originally rendered using the transcoded media inadvertently relinks back to the ama'd source.  This tends to lose the render and now I can't do QT ref exports because the sequence now has ama'd clips as it's source.

It's not a big issue but when I get production logos for the end of the show I tend to still have access to the original file as I store it with the project so if I don't do a traditional import for the logos I run the risk of them reverting to the ama original.

For my 4K workflows I use ama link and transcode without issue when it comes to online relinking to original ama'd clips.



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <cutandcover@...> wrote :

Yes. I don't know why anyone imports anything any more (other than of course items with alphas, as these can't be transcoded). Link and transcode. It's literally many times faster.

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 3:33 PM, John Pale pale.edit@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I've gotten it to work numerous times linking by source file name.

Personally,  I would not import the stuff, but use Link to Media , then Transcode.  This is what you should be teaching these guys anyway, rather than legacy import.



On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:21 PM bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

In my experience with traditional imports if you just reimport the same file it will not relink to the same file imported a 2nd time etc...  For example when uprezzing I have to batch import files that were imported and used in the sequence.  That works but if I just re import that same file the sequence will not relink to it.  Now that there are more choices as to how to relink perhaps one of those options like src file name, or whatever it is called, will let you relink.  Or the old school method was to add a tape name to the clips and relink based on that.  With the new options I wouldn't use a tape name but another column data to relink by.

If the clips were ama linked and transcoded in my experience that will relink just fine.



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <pale.edit@...> wrote :

It should relink, no problem if it is identical. 



On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 3:34 PM clbrannan@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi John,


Thanks for the response. All media ingested via Import, and all Quicktimes were identical. 


Thanks again,

Chris


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Friday, May 12, 2017

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Re-Linking Question

 

The one instance I have had issue with link and transcode is when I link to sources and transcode but still have access to the original material I linked to.  I've had instances where when both the transcode and the original source are still online my sequence that was originally rendered using the transcoded media inadvertently relinks back to the ama'd source.  This tends to lose the render and now I can't do QT ref exports because the sequence now has ama'd clips as it's source.

It's not a big issue but when I get production logos for the end of the show I tend to still have access to the original file as I store it with the project so if I don't do a traditional import for the logos I run the risk of them reverting to the ama original.

For my 4K workflows I use ama link and transcode without issue when it comes to online relinking to original ama'd clips.



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <cutandcover@...> wrote :

Yes. I don't know why anyone imports anything any more (other than of course items with alphas, as these can't be transcoded). Link and transcode. It's literally many times faster.

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 3:33 PM, John Pale pale.edit@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I've gotten it to work numerous times linking by source file name.

Personally,  I would not import the stuff, but use Link to Media , then Transcode.  This is what you should be teaching these guys anyway, rather than legacy import.



On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:21 PM bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

In my experience with traditional imports if you just reimport the same file it will not relink to the same file imported a 2nd time etc...  For example when uprezzing I have to batch import files that were imported and used in the sequence.  That works but if I just re import that same file the sequence will not relink to it.  Now that there are more choices as to how to relink perhaps one of those options like src file name, or whatever it is called, will let you relink.  Or the old school method was to add a tape name to the clips and relink based on that.  With the new options I wouldn't use a tape name but another column data to relink by.

If the clips were ama linked and transcoded in my experience that will relink just fine.



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <pale.edit@...> wrote :

It should relink, no problem if it is identical. 



On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 3:34 PM clbrannan@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi John,


Thanks for the response. All media ingested via Import, and all Quicktimes were identical. 


Thanks again,

Chris


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Re-Linking Question

 

Yes. I don't know why anyone imports anything any more (other than of course items with alphas, as these can't be transcoded). Link and transcode. It's literally many times faster.

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 3:33 PM, John Pale pale.edit@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I've gotten it to work numerous times linking by source file name.

Personally,  I would not import the stuff, but use Link to Media , then Transcode.  This is what you should be teaching these guys anyway, rather than legacy import.



On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:21 PM bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

In my experience with traditional imports if you just reimport the same file it will not relink to the same file imported a 2nd time etc...  For example when uprezzing I have to batch import files that were imported and used in the sequence.  That works but if I just re import that same file the sequence will not relink to it.  Now that there are more choices as to how to relink perhaps one of those options like src file name, or whatever it is called, will let you relink.  Or the old school method was to add a tape name to the clips and relink based on that.  With the new options I wouldn't use a tape name but another column data to relink by.

If the clips were ama linked and transcoded in my experience that will relink just fine.



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <pale.edit@...> wrote :

It should relink, no problem if it is identical. 



On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 3:34 PM clbrannan@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi John,


Thanks for the response. All media ingested via Import, and all Quicktimes were identical. 


Thanks again,

Chris


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Re-Linking Question

 

I've gotten it to work numerous times linking by source file name.

Personally,  I would not import the stuff, but use Link to Media , then Transcode.  This is what you should be teaching these guys anyway, rather than legacy import.



On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:21 PM bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

In my experience with traditional imports if you just reimport the same file it will not relink to the same file imported a 2nd time etc...  For example when uprezzing I have to batch import files that were imported and used in the sequence.  That works but if I just re import that same file the sequence will not relink to it.  Now that there are more choices as to how to relink perhaps one of those options like src file name, or whatever it is called, will let you relink.  Or the old school method was to add a tape name to the clips and relink based on that.  With the new options I wouldn't use a tape name but another column data to relink by.

If the clips were ama linked and transcoded in my experience that will relink just fine.



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <pale.edit@...> wrote :

It should relink, no problem if it is identical. 



On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 3:34 PM clbrannan@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi John,


Thanks for the response. All media ingested via Import, and all Quicktimes were identical. 


Thanks again,

Chris

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Re-Linking Question

 


In my experience with traditional imports if you just reimport the same file it will not relink to the same file imported a 2nd time etc...  For example when uprezzing I have to batch import files that were imported and used in the sequence.  That works but if I just re import that same file the sequence will not relink to it.  Now that there are more choices as to how to relink perhaps one of those options like src file name, or whatever it is called, will let you relink.  Or the old school method was to add a tape name to the clips and relink based on that.  With the new options I wouldn't use a tape name but another column data to relink by.

If the clips were ama linked and transcoded in my experience that will relink just fine.



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <pale.edit@...> wrote :

It should relink, no problem if it is identical. 



On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 3:34 PM clbrannan@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi John,


Thanks for the response. All media ingested via Import, and all Quicktimes were identical. 


Thanks again,

Chris

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Re-Linking Question

 

Are you using "Relink to selected items in all open bins?" --J.B.

clbrannan@hotmail.com [Avid-L2] wrote:
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> Thanks again for your help with this issue. Okay, it's good to know
> that my thinking wasn't completely off base - sure, this is an
> unconventional (and not ideal) situation with multiple import stations
> of the same media, but it should in theory all relink if each import
> was done from identical source files.
>
> Any reason why it wouldn't relink then? I have the imported clips in
> the project, so I know that everything is imported and present in my
> "Avid MediaFiles" folder. When I go through the "Relink" steps it
> gives me the "Loading Media File Information…" screen briefly as if it
> is relinking the media (and not giving me the "No clips were
> relinked…" screen) but then all segments in the sequence are still
> offline.
>
> It's quite the head-scratcher. I ran into this before, clicked around
> and eventually got it to work (as stated in the original post), but
> all of the things I think *should* do the trick aren't working. I've
> even tried refreshing the databases, trashing the database files, etc.
>
> It's not a pressing issue but curious what I need to do differently
> (beside give the students the MXF media at the beginning of the
> assignment) to make this work going forward.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> -Chris
>
>
>

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