Saturday, July 26, 2014

Re: [Avid-L2] Troubleshooting and Optimizing Media Composer?

 

On the PC side, EdPrep is your one stop shop. 





On Saturday, July 26, 2014, hoplist@hillmanncarr.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I'm looking for guides on optimizing and troubleshooting Media Composer systems.  From Avid, I found these:

http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/troubleshooting/Optimize-10-9
This is actually for Pro Tools, but most of it would apply to MC as well.

And this which is two years old.
http://tinyurl.com/k52d7z9

Other suggestions?

Cheers,
             tod



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Re: [Avid-L2] Quicktime Export

 

It depends on whether you imported the original media or AMA'd it. Chances are that if you AMA'd you wouldn't have been able to export as same as source anyway.


If it's imported, then the "same as source" codec means that you are exporting as DNxHD probably, so you can only really read that file on a computer with either Media Composer on it or with the Avid codecs installed. If you want to take the file and do whatever you want with it, then you should NOT export as sames as source. You should export as one of the other options - like QT or ProRes or BMD or AJA or whatever your installed codecs allow you to export as. I exported a bunch of stuff recently as Apple Intermediate codec and it worked well on all Macs I tried it on. Trying to export a QT Ref file gets you in the same boat as same as source, only then you can't even move the file at all. 

Steve

On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:29 PM, "bakertv1945@yahoo.com [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Sorry people having trouble again. I am trying to export out of Avid a QT movie. It Exports same as source to desktop. I can import and open in Avid. I try to put onto a DVD as a file but then I can not import or do anything. I have an Edius tried to import it sort of plays. But I can transfere the file to another desktop to open in another editor. What have I done wrong now? Thank You



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Re: [Avid-L2] Quicktime Export

 



I'm not entirely clear on whether or not you're taking this same-as-source export QT to a different computer and that's where it won't play. But if you're exporting same-as-source out of the Avid then you need to have Avid codecs installed on whatever computer you're going to be playing it on or, alas, it likely won't play.

DD


On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:29 PM, bakertv1945@yahoo.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Sorry people having trouble again. I am trying to export out of Avid a QT movie. It Exports same as source to desktop. I can import and open in Avid. I try to put onto a DVD as a file but then I can not import or do anything. I have an Edius tried to import it sort of plays. But I can transfere the file to another desktop to open in another editor. What have I done wrong now? Thank You




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[Avid-L2] Quicktime Export

 

Sorry people having trouble again. I am trying to export out of Avid a QT movie. It Exports same as source to desktop. I can import and open in Avid. I try to put onto a DVD as a file but then I can not import or do anything. I have an Edius tried to import it sort of plays. But I can transfere the file to another desktop to open in another editor. What have I done wrong now? Thank You

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Re: [Avid-L2] Phrase find & Script Sync update?

 

I think it's also inaccurate to say the Nexidia technology turns audio into text. It doesn't. That's basically what Adobe's speech-to-text function does and it generally doesn't work very well.


Nexidia analyzes waveform shapes, with audio split into some sort of phonetic or syllabic divisions. These waveform patterns are matched against a known library for a given language. The result is a waveform match of recorded audio against the waveform for the existing text entered by the user. It's not turning that audio into text. That's why spelling isn't critical as long as an incorrect spelling still sounds the same as the correct spelling would be pronounced.

Also Soundbite is Nexidia's own product with a few hooks added by Boris, along with marketing. So less overhead, I presume. And they have control over how they want to handle the licensing. It's basically derivative of the bigger search tools they sell to enterprises.

- Oliver

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Re: [Avid-L2] MC / Newscutter 6.5.4.4 & 10.5.4.4 patch releases live

 

Well, we have a subscription model! And…we have to take care of our customers who are on older versions.  Some take a bit of time to upgrade.  If your a major broadcaster or large post house with potentially hundreds of Media Composer, Interplay's and ISIS systems installed, it's difficult to leap forward without some major planning.  We have to patch older versions sometimes.

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From: "hoplist@hillmanncarr.com [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
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Date: Saturday, July 26, 2014 at 10:27 AM
To: "Avid-L2-yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] MC / Newscutter 6.5.4.4 & 10.5.4.4 patch releases live

 

On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:35 AM, switthaus@mac.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Is it just me that thinks it's silly for Avid to keep using resources updating software that's two major versions old? Am I reading this right?

It's not only not surprising, it is a requirement of Avid's historic model. Remember that a support contract includes updates. Their are people out there paying Avid to update the older versions which they have under contract. 

Further, consider that two "major" versions are often less than two years apart. I know I expect software to work for more than two years! This is a conservative business and systems managers don't like to upgrade. We often skip versions. At any given point in time, the majority of installations will be at least one or two versions behind the current version. The installed base of MC is much older than you might think. 

That said, Avid's model has just changed. This commitment to older versions is indeed considered a drag on the bottom line unless you can get customers to pay for it, and that is hard. Just ask Microsoft. That's why the subscription model is sweeping the industry. It creates predictable cash flow for ongoing development AND incentives for customers to keep software current and in sync with the installed base. 

Cheers,
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Re: [Avid-L2] Phrase find & Script Sync update?

 

Yeah, your wrong :). Sorry Pete.

We're still working with the Nexidia folks, that's about it. We both understand the urgency to get a deal done.  Nexidia has a different arrangement with Boris and as Oliver and other pointed out there are major differences in the functionality. 







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To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Avid-L2] Phrase find & Script Sync update?

 

Not saying that these features aren't useful. Or that the Avid version of these tools aren't superior. I use them all the time and they are. I'm saying the numbers don't add up. From my vantage point here on the outside of the outside, the fact that SS/PF aren't currently being offered would seem to indicate a disagreement over licensing. Yet other products - stand alone products which use the core tech – are being offered at price points below what Avid was charging for a v7 option ($300 vs ~$1250). The Nexidia tech basically turns audio into text. Once it's in text form does it really take a whole lot to find matching text in two different strings? An additional $1K worth of coding plus on the price of every seat? And you can do some this without the SS/PF option at all (ctl-F to find clip names etc., we can still do that in v8 right?) Everything discussed below doesn't explain the presumed difference in price between Soundbite  and  some proposed v8+ inclusive of SS/PF, which we must assume would be significantly more than what was being charged for the v7 option. We're talking more thanhalf the price of a full MC v7 seat or several years of V8.

 

Now, I could be wrong. Avid may have some other reason to be balking, but If the problem isn't the licensing cost then what's the hold up? The subscription model?

 

Pete O

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Well, I'd disagree with calling it "minutia."

 

You are correct that it is the same voice recognition. It's the same voice recognition that powers ScriptSync as well. But there is the Nexidia part of the patents (the people that do the actual "listening" to the phonetics) and then there's the Avid side, that ties the phonetics to the script or that allows the links in the audio to call up actual clips.

 

With Get and Soundbite, you have to run these as EXTERNAL operations. You also have to SHOW it the media you want to look at. If all your media isn't in one place, then it doesn't look at it at all. With Avid, the phonetic search runs in the background at all times, so your audio is constantly analyzed and searched. With Get and Soundbite, you have to run these searches and allow them time to do their thing. In Avid, it's much more instantaneous.

 

Also, with Get and Soundbite, you search for CLIPS that have the audio, THEN you search for the words inside those clips. Then you have to export those searches back into Final Cut or whatever app you're using. So it's a FOUR step process to get to your searched word: 1) launch a separate app, 2) point to a limited media selection and find a clip, 3) search for the word inside the clip, 4) export markers back to your app.  And if you wanted to you could claim it's more like an 9 step process: 1) leave NLE, 2) Launch Soundbite, 3) point to specific folder of limited media (as opposed to ALL of your media, potentially in Avid), 4) run search to find clips, 5) run search inside a specific clip to find words, 6) Hop between clips to find more words, 7) Export the markers for each clip, 8) Import the markers for each clip into NLE, 9) search through markers again to find specific instance of soundbite you wanted.

 

In Avid, this is a much faster 3 step process: 1) command-F to launch a search, 2)run the search word, 3) click on the found soundbite.

 

The issue is definitely the llcensing from Nexidia. But we are not privvy to those negotiations so it's a little hard to criticize them. Maybe Nexidia knows it has Avid over a barrel with one of their key features. Maybe they felt like they got hosed in previous negotiations and are trying to make good now. Maybe they have multiple suitors for their technology and are realizing the value of their end of the patent. Maybe Avid is broke. Maybe Avid's lawyers are stuck on a single small part of the agreement. Maybe Nexidia has poured a lot more into the R&D of their side of the product, making it more valuable and successful.

 

But Avid definitely integrates their technology far better than anyone else does, so I refuse to recognize that as "minutia." You use Soundbite, and I'll use PhraseFind for a project and then we'll add up all the lost hours you spent and subtract them from your family time or your ability to do actual creative work and talk again about "minutia."

 

Steve Hullfish

 

On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:38 PM, 'Pete Opotowsky' popix@cfl.rr.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



 

 

Minutia. It's the same voice recognition patents being licensed. Which is what we're being led to believe is the issue.

 

Pete O

 

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Soundbite equates only to PhraseFind. It offers no direct interaction with the NLE, but only sends markers back to the NLE from an external search. You can't originate the search from within the NLE. I don't believe it can search MXF files, but I could be wrong on that.

 

- Oliver


 

 

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RE: [Avid-L2] Phrase find & Script Sync update?

 

Not saying that these features aren’t useful. Or that the Avid version of these tools aren’t superior. I use them all the time and they are. I’m saying the numbers don’t add up. From my vantage point here on the outside of the outside, the fact that SS/PF aren’t currently being offered would seem to indicate a disagreement over licensing. Yet other products - stand alone products which use the core tech – are being offered at price points below what Avid was charging for a v7 option ($300 vs ~$1250). The Nexidia tech basically turns audio into text. Once it’s in text form does it really take a whole lot to find matching text in two different strings? An additional $1K worth of coding plus on the price of every seat? And you can do some this without the SS/PF option at all (ctl-F to find clip names etc., we can still do that in v8 right?) Everything discussed below doesn’t explain the presumed difference in price between Soundbite  and  some proposed v8+ inclusive of SS/PF, which we must assume would be significantly more than what was being charged for the v7 option. We’re talking more thanhalf the price of a full MC v7 seat or several years of V8.

 

Now, I could be wrong. Avid may have some other reason to be balking, but If the problem isn’t the licensing cost then what’s the hold up? The subscription model?

 

Pete O

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From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 2:10 PM
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Well, I'd disagree with calling it "minutia."

 

You are correct that it is the same voice recognition. It's the same voice recognition that powers ScriptSync as well. But there is the Nexidia part of the patents (the people that do the actual "listening" to the phonetics) and then there's the Avid side, that ties the phonetics to the script or that allows the links in the audio to call up actual clips.

 

With Get and Soundbite, you have to run these as EXTERNAL operations. You also have to SHOW it the media you want to look at. If all your media isn't in one place, then it doesn't look at it at all. With Avid, the phonetic search runs in the background at all times, so your audio is constantly analyzed and searched. With Get and Soundbite, you have to run these searches and allow them time to do their thing. In Avid, it's much more instantaneous.

 

Also, with Get and Soundbite, you search for CLIPS that have the audio, THEN you search for the words inside those clips. Then you have to export those searches back into Final Cut or whatever app you're using. So it's a FOUR step process to get to your searched word: 1) launch a separate app, 2) point to a limited media selection and find a clip, 3) search for the word inside the clip, 4) export markers back to your app.  And if you wanted to you could claim it's more like an 9 step process: 1) leave NLE, 2) Launch Soundbite, 3) point to specific folder of limited media (as opposed to ALL of your media, potentially in Avid), 4) run search to find clips, 5) run search inside a specific clip to find words, 6) Hop between clips to find more words, 7) Export the markers for each clip, 8) Import the markers for each clip into NLE, 9) search through markers again to find specific instance of soundbite you wanted.

 

In Avid, this is a much faster 3 step process: 1) command-F to launch a search, 2)run the search word, 3) click on the found soundbite.

 

The issue is definitely the llcensing from Nexidia. But we are not privvy to those negotiations so it's a little hard to criticize them. Maybe Nexidia knows it has Avid over a barrel with one of their key features. Maybe they felt like they got hosed in previous negotiations and are trying to make good now. Maybe they have multiple suitors for their technology and are realizing the value of their end of the patent. Maybe Avid is broke. Maybe Avid's lawyers are stuck on a single small part of the agreement. Maybe Nexidia has poured a lot more into the R&D of their side of the product, making it more valuable and successful.

 

But Avid definitely integrates their technology far better than anyone else does, so I refuse to recognize that as "minutia." You use Soundbite, and I'll use PhraseFind for a project and then we'll add up all the lost hours you spent and subtract them from your family time or your ability to do actual creative work and talk again about "minutia."

 

Steve Hullfish

 

On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:38 PM, 'Pete Opotowsky' popix@cfl.rr.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



 

 

Minutia. It’s the same voice recognition patents being licensed. Which is what we’re being led to believe is the issue.

 

Pete O

 

POP Pictures

Orlando

 

From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com]
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Soundbite equates only to PhraseFind. It offers no direct interaction with the NLE, but only sends markers back to the NLE from an external search. You can't originate the search from within the NLE. I don't believe it can search MXF files, but I could be wrong on that.

 

- Oliver


 

 

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Phrase find & Script Sync update?

 

I am on set editing a feature film right now and was talking to some of the interns on the set who barely know Avid at all.... They're all like, "Dude, why aren't you using Premiere?" So I showed them a bunch of Avid features - including ScriptSync - and one of them steps back and pretends to "drop the mic" (rap style) and says, "You just dropped the mic on Premiere." and another says, "Game over. Mind blown. Respect." 


Largely, you can impress them by just the speed of keyboard style editing. The producer calls me "the ghost editor" because before he finishes explaining a revision he wants to see, I'm already hitting the play key to show it to him. That's not to talk about MY speed, but Avid's speed. The previous four features he worked on were cut on FCP and I went to the mat to get this one cut on Avid. Now they see why.

Steve Hullfish
author, "Avid Uncut"


On Jul 26, 2014, at 2:08 PM, "bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Even when script sync was free, bundled, it was not used nearly as much as it could have been in my experience.  It seemed like the typical B movie where the the ugly girl with glasses turns into the major Babe once the glasses are removed.  I think it's a great tool but would have though more of my reality shows would use it.  I'm sure many do but not the ones I've been on.  Of course now they just started using it at one gig, go figure.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Phrase find & Script Sync update?

 

Well, I'd disagree with calling it "minutia."


You are correct that it is the same voice recognition. It's the same voice recognition that powers ScriptSync as well. But there is the Nexidia part of the patents (the people that do the actual "listening" to the phonetics) and then there's the Avid side, that ties the phonetics to the script or that allows the links in the audio to call up actual clips.

With Get and Soundbite, you have to run these as EXTERNAL operations. You also have to SHOW it the media you want to look at. If all your media isn't in one place, then it doesn't look at it at all. With Avid, the phonetic search runs in the background at all times, so your audio is constantly analyzed and searched. With Get and Soundbite, you have to run these searches and allow them time to do their thing. In Avid, it's much more instantaneous.

Also, with Get and Soundbite, you search for CLIPS that have the audio, THEN you search for the words inside those clips. Then you have to export those searches back into Final Cut or whatever app you're using. So it's a FOUR step process to get to your searched word: 1) launch a separate app, 2) point to a limited media selection and find a clip, 3) search for the word inside the clip, 4) export markers back to your app.  And if you wanted to you could claim it's more like an 9 step process: 1) leave NLE, 2) Launch Soundbite, 3) point to specific folder of limited media (as opposed to ALL of your media, potentially in Avid), 4) run search to find clips, 5) run search inside a specific clip to find words, 6) Hop between clips to find more words, 7) Export the markers for each clip, 8) Import the markers for each clip into NLE, 9) search through markers again to find specific instance of soundbite you wanted.

In Avid, this is a much faster 3 step process: 1) command-F to launch a search, 2)run the search word, 3) click on the found soundbite.

The issue is definitely the llcensing from Nexidia. But we are not privvy to those negotiations so it's a little hard to criticize them. Maybe Nexidia knows it has Avid over a barrel with one of their key features. Maybe they felt like they got hosed in previous negotiations and are trying to make good now. Maybe they have multiple suitors for their technology and are realizing the value of their end of the patent. Maybe Avid is broke. Maybe Avid's lawyers are stuck on a single small part of the agreement. Maybe Nexidia has poured a lot more into the R&D of their side of the product, making it more valuable and successful.

But Avid definitely integrates their technology far better than anyone else does, so I refuse to recognize that as "minutia." You use Soundbite, and I'll use PhraseFind for a project and then we'll add up all the lost hours you spent and subtract them from your family time or your ability to do actual creative work and talk again about "minutia."

Steve Hullfish

On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:38 PM, 'Pete Opotowsky' popix@cfl.rr.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Minutia. It's the same voice recognition patents being licensed. Which is what we're being led to believe is the issue.

 

Pete O

 

POP Pictures

Orlando

 

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Soundbite equates only to PhraseFind. It offers no direct interaction with the NLE, but only sends markers back to the NLE from an external search. You can't originate the search from within the NLE. I don't believe it can search MXF files, but I could be wrong on that.

 

- Oliver




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