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Saturday, February 6, 2010

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: DNxHD QuckTime FCP Import Question

I previously said:

> if you export as anything other than RGB from Avid, the export will
> contain elevated black levels.

On Feb 6, 2010, at 1:46 AM, Job ter Burg (L2B) wrote:

> Of course. Since 709 has black at 16, not 0. Avid codec is
709/16-235 within 0-255.

I now say:

Well then, this could explain why I get the results I get with the
previously described procedure and why that procedure is the correct
one. If the Avid export is 0-255, it's correct to export it using RGB
since RGB IS 0-255.

Dennis Degan, Video Editor-Consultant-Knowledge Bank
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Re: [Avid-L2] DNxHD QuckTime FCP Import Question

I said previously:

> No gamma shift, no lifted blacks.

On Feb 6, 2010, at 1:44 AM, Job ter Burg (L2B) wrote:

> OK. But then my main question would be: is there any info over "235"
left, or has all of that been clipped?

I say:

I have no idea. I can say this: It looks fine to me. I detect no
white clipping. In fact, the original Avid DNxHD export looks exactly
the same as the FCP ProRes422 recompressed file. Of course, this is no
scientific 'subtract one from the other and see what's left' test, but
if it's this close and I notice no clipping or black lift, I'd call it
a success.

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[Avid-L2] Problem with Audio files on AVI Import

I am having problems importing AVI video with audio files into a
Apple G4 Powerbook running Xpress Pro. It's a problem I've seen
before and I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.

I have AVI clips with audio and after importing them into Xpress Pro
there is no audio. The media in the timeline looks flat (no wave
form) and the media itself says AVI, not AIF, WAV etc.

Can someone tell me if this is an import issue or some sort of Avid
codec issue and what the fix might be?

- rob

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RE: [Avid-L2] Re: Relink AMA

I dealt with an issue yesterday that happens a lot and so I tell the
tale here in the hope that someone will pass it on to a shooter or
client who is embarking on the file based fandango..

The ideal workflow for AMA is to copy the whole contents of the SxS card
(yes all those apparently useless folders) into a folder named for the
card; i.e. Card 1, 2 etc.

If you are inclined to dig into the BPAV folder and only copy what looks
like useful data out, then Avid will not link to it.

The good news is that if you use XDCAM browser to import the MP4 files
it will recreate the BPAV structure and Avid will be prepared to link to
it.

So you should end up with a folder in the root of the drive you are
copying camera data to called "My Project" and in there a folder per
card shot. Now in Avid you link to AMA and select the "My Project"
folder and select the "Bin per subfolder" option you will have a load of
Bins spawned (with yellow masterclips in them) called Card 1, Card 2 and
so on.

It's magical the first time you see ten hours of rushes appear ready to
edit in thirty seconds.

Rupert Watson

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From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of johnrobmoore
Sent: 06 February 2010 00:29
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Relink AMA

Having not had any AMA stuff yet what actually happens when you go
through the link to AMA volumes? Are new bins created for each volume or
do the existing bins just relink during the process?

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Rupert Watson" <rupert@...> wrote:
>
> Greg
>
> as I understand it the AMA link is created as a function of the UNC
path at which the virtual volume is found.
>
> If, for whatever reason, the relationship between the editing computer
and the disk on which the virtual volumes is changed, the UNC path will
change. In this instance the AMA link will be broken, but as you say the
media is found again as soon as you go throught the link to AMA process
again on the file menu.
>
> Rupert Watson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com> on
behalf of Greg Huson
> Sent: Fri 2/5/2010 10:43 PM
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Relink AMA
>
> No, not frequent enough to really be a pain. And it's simple enough
> to re-establish the link, unless you have a month's worth of 'virtual
> cards.' That takes a while to re-ama all those, even as fast as that
> process is.
>
> I'm not sure it's a 'bug' yet - possibly just a dark spot in my
> understanding...
>
> gh
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Greg Huson
> Secret Headquarters, Inc
> Post Production / Production
> Culver City, CA
> 323 677 2092
> 323 677 2096 F
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> greg (at) SecretHQ.com
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>
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Raj Rodrigues wrote:
>
> > Is this frequent enough to be a PITA? What build of sw/hw are you
> > on? Does
> > Avid know? Luckily we haven't seen any of this around here as yet.
> > Good to
> > know though.
> >
> > Raj
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Greg Huson <Greg@...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Is there a way to 'relink' to AMA? We've noticed even when on local
> >> storage, sometimes the AMA links get 'lost' and media appears
> >> offline-
> >> once the drives have been moved around, or, sometimes, even just
spun
> >> down.
> >>
> >> I poked around google, cow, avid, etc - I don't see a solution to
> >> this
> >> other than doing a new 'link to AMA volume' then deleting the new
bin
> >> (since the formerly offline clips suddenly know where there footage

> >> is.)
> >>
> >> Any tips? - relink doesn't seem to work, even if you point directly

> >> to
> >> the folder (as suggested in the workflow pdf.)
> >>
> >> gh
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RE: [Avid-L2] Re: Relink AMA

Weeeeell, the issue not really under Avid's control. If you move the
drive or change the number/order/drive letter/path to the network drive
the UNC path will be changed by the OS, not Avid.

Rupert Watson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Greg Huson
Sent: 06 February 2010 00:41
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Relink AMA

You have a choice of how you want the bins made - everything in one
bin, bin per folder, etc.

Based Rupert's info, seems like we need a function to fix the UNC
path, rather that having to re-establish it through the full bin-
creating link process.

gh
----------------------------------------------------
Greg Huson
Secret Headquarters, Inc
Post Production / Production
Culver City, CA
323 677 2092
323 677 2096 F
www.DigitalServiceStation.com
greg (at) SecretHQ.com
www.SecretHQ.com

On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:28 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:

> Having not had any AMA stuff yet what actually happens when you go
> through the link to AMA volumes? Are new bins created for each
> volume or do the existing bins just relink during the process?
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Rupert Watson" <rupert@...> wrote:
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > as I understand it the AMA link is created as a function of the
> UNC path at which the virtual volume is found.
> >
> > If, for whatever reason, the relationship between the editing
> computer and the disk on which the virtual volumes is changed, the
> UNC path will change. In this instance the AMA link will be broken,
> but as you say the media is found again as soon as you go throught
> the link to AMA process again on the file menu.
> >
> > Rupert Watson
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Greg Huson
> > Sent: Fri 2/5/2010 10:43 PM
> > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Relink AMA
> >
> > No, not frequent enough to really be a pain. And it's simple enough
> > to re-establish the link, unless you have a month's worth of
> 'virtual
> > cards.' That takes a while to re-ama all those, even as fast as that
> > process is.
> >
> > I'm not sure it's a 'bug' yet - possibly just a dark spot in my
> > understanding...
> >
> > gh
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Greg Huson
> > Secret Headquarters, Inc
> > Post Production / Production
> > Culver City, CA
> > 323 677 2092
> > 323 677 2096 F
> > www.DigitalServiceStation.com
> > greg (at) SecretHQ.com
> > www.SecretHQ.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Raj Rodrigues wrote:
> >
> > > Is this frequent enough to be a PITA? What build of sw/hw are you
> > > on? Does
> > > Avid know? Luckily we haven't seen any of this around here as yet.
> > > Good to
> > > know though.
> > >
> > > Raj
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Greg Huson <Greg@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Is there a way to 'relink' to AMA? We've noticed even when on
> local
> > >> storage, sometimes the AMA links get 'lost' and media appears
> > >> offline-
> > >> once the drives have been moved around, or, sometimes, even
> just spun
> > >> down.
> > >>
> > >> I poked around google, cow, avid, etc - I don't see a solution to
> > >> this
> > >> other than doing a new 'link to AMA volume' then deleting the
> new bin
> > >> (since the formerly offline clips suddenly know where there
> footage
> > >> is.)
> > >>
> > >> Any tips? - relink doesn't seem to work, even if you point
> directly
> > >> to
> > >> the folder (as suggested in the workflow pdf.)
> > >>
> > >> gh
> > >> ----------------------------------------------------
> > >> Greg Huson
> > >> Secret Headquarters, Inc
> > >> Post Production / Production
> > >> Culver City, CA
> > >> 323 677 2092
> > >> 323 677 2096 F
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Friday, February 5, 2010

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: DNxHD QuckTime FCP Import Question

"Dennis Degan" (06-02-2010 01:40) :

> if you export as anything other than RGB from
> Avid, the export will contain elevated black levels.

Of course. Since 709 has black at 16, not 0.
Avid codec is 709/16-235 within 0-255.

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Re: [Avid-L2] DNxHD QuckTime FCP Import Question

"Dennis Degan" (06-02-2010 02:08) :

> No gamma shift, no lifted blacks.

OK. But then my main question would be: is there any info over "235" left,
or has all of that been clipped?

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[Avid-L2] Re: DNxHD QuckTime FCP Import Question

Your experience suggests to me FCP expects the level in the QT to be RGB in nature. This does contradict the article that says checking RGB converts the level in the QT to 16-235. From your experience and reading the article your results should happen when you check the 709 export when the source is RGB material. My understanding is anything in Avid should be of a 709 level unless it was a random codec and imported incorrectly. Man just when I thought I had this nailed down. Perhaps the RGB for Avid export sets some metadata that makes FCP QT implementation expect RGB level based on the Metadata and Avid's import function ignores that aspect of the metadata info. This is just speculation on my part.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Degan <DennyD1@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2010, at 1:41 AM, johnrobmoore wrote:
>
> > It is my understanding that the Avid DNX codec is alway considered to
> be 601 not RGB. When you check the RGB for export you are telling QT
> to adjust the video levels from RGB to 601 level when making the QT so
> that when the Avid imports it the levels will always be interpreted as
> 601 and come out right. By definition the DNX codec is 601. You can
> get fouled up if your source is RGB but you check 601 option then it
> will not lower the RGB levels to 601. If you are exporting from an
> Avid timeline that would be 601 space so I don't think it would be
> correct to check RGB on export. If you are exporting captured material
> that too would be 601 level. Am I missing something here. It was just
> last week I read about this and I thought the light had finally turned
> on for me regarding why some imports in Avid codecs don't change no
> matter RGB or 601 on import. Is my light fading, please say it ain't
> so.
>
> John:
>
> I can only tell you that if you export as anything other than RGB from
> Avid, the export will contain elevated black levels. That is my own
> personal experience when doing DNxHD145 1920x1080 Avid exports. If you
> export using 709 (for HD), the QT imported into FCP will have elevated
> blacks. By setting the Avid export's color space to RGB, the video
> levels are correct in FCP. I don't know if this is different from
> doing SD exports using 601; I'm talking about Avid HD exports which
> give you the choice to use 709 or RGB. In this case, RGB works
> correctly.
>
> Dennis Degan, Editor-Consultant-Knowledge Bank
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[Avid-L2] Re: DNxHD QuckTime FCP Import Question

Here's the article below. I don't get why the RGBsource_709 options imports properly when both RGB and 709 are selected. RGB will not be a fast import but according to the article both will come in at the right level. That part seems wierd because in my experience the RGB 709 setting on import has no effect with Avid codecs. Hence from the article I gleemed that the assumption with Avid codec QTs is the video level should be 709. Here's part of the article:

If you start with source material with RGB levels (0-255), such as the image above, you should select the RGB button in the QuickTime export options shown below. This is because the option in the QuickTime dialog specifies the levels of the source material. However, it isn't a disaster if you don't select the RGB button.

Assume you export two movies. The first has RGB level source material and is exported with the RGB option selected. This is called RGBsource_RGBOption.mov. The second movie has RGB level source material and is exported using the 709 option. This movie is called RGBsource_709Option.mov.

Select the RGB brightness option with RGB source material.

Importing Source Material With RGB Levels

When you import RGBsource_RGBOption.mov into the editor, select the 601/709 option to perform a quick import. Selecting the RGB button will bring the video in at the correct levels, but it will be a slow import. It is OK to select the 601/709 button as the levels within the QuickTime movie were converted to 709 compliant levels when the RGB button was selected on export. Quick import copies the 709 compliant video data from the QuickTime movie to the editor. See the image below for the optimal setting when bringing this movie into the editor.

Select the 601/709 option for import of RGB source material.

If you look at the levels while in color correction mode, you can see that the darkest black is 16 and the brightest white is 235 as shown in the image below. The left side of the color picker represents the darkest black value and the right side of the color picker represents the brightest white value. The levels of the imported media are correct.

When you export source material that is already 709 level compliant, as shown above, the 709 button should be selected in the QuickTime dialog options as shown below. The RGB button should never be selected in this scenario, as this will not import into the editor with 709 compliant levels. Assume you export two movies. The first contains 709 level compliant source material and is exported using the 709 option. This movie is called 709Source_709Option.mov. The second movie contains 709 compliant source levels and is exported improperly using the RGB option. This movie is called 709Source_RGBOption.mov.

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Re: [Avid-L2] DNxHD QuckTime FCP Import Question

"Dennis Degan" (05-02-2010 03:06) :

> use "RGB" color space to make a Quicktime Movie

On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:07 AM, Job ter Burg (L2B) wrote:

> Sorry, but that is a VERY bad idea.
> It will stretch the 16-235 values in your footage to 0-255, crushing
all blacks below 16, and clipping all whites above 235.
> You will have eliminated all that white details prior to editing, let
alone color correction.
> If you export as 601/709, the levels of the original remain
untouched. 0 remains 0, 12, remains 12, 16 remains 16, 235 remains 235,
245 remains 245, etc.
> Honestly.
> If you export as RGB, you crush/clip and then stretch (0 becomes 16,
12 becomes 16, 12 becomes 16, 16 remains 16, 235 remains 235, 245
becomes 245, etc.)
> IMHO, you only export in RGB when exporting a deliverable that is
meant for viewing on computer monitors, for nothing else. If you are
working in video
color space and will be working in video color space and are delivering
on video color space, the RGB export buttons should remain unchecked
the entire
route.

I reply:

It defies logic and I agree it doesn't make sense, but this method has
worked for me for several years now. To clarify, here's what I've been
doing: I export an Avid DNxHD145 HD clip or sequence using "Same As
Source", "Native Pixel Dimensions" (1920x1080, square pixels), and
using RGB color space to make a self-contained Quicktime Movie. I then
import the Avid QT Movie into FCP (which looks fine when viewed on the
Mac computer monitor). Next, I make a new Apple ProRes422 QT Movie
from the Avid QT by using Media Manager to recompress the Movie onto my
media drive. The original Avid QT Movie can then be removed from the
bin and its source drive can be dismounted and disconnected from the
computer. The recompressed QT (now Apple ProRes422 and existing on my
media drive) can now be imported into a bin and can become a source
clip for editing. The new ProRes422 clip looks EXACTLY like the
original. No gamma shift, no lifted blacks.
HOWEVER, if I do the above exactly in the same way EXCEPT export the
Avid clip/sequence using 601/709 color space, the Avid QT will have
lifted blacks when viewed on the Mac. This is the case even before I
do the recompression. The 601/709 Avid QT will instantly be seen on
the Mac's monitor with lifted blacks. If I continue with the rest of
the procedure described above, the resulting ProRes422 QT will ALSO
have lifted blacks.
THEREFORE, I have always followed this procedure, doing the Avid
export with the color space set to "RGB". It gives the correct
results. If others get different results, I can't explain it. This
procedure has worked for me on every Avid Symphony I've tried it on.
BTW, I own an AJA I/O HD. The output of this video hardware device
also shows the same results as I've described it above, monitored on a
Sony PVM-14M4U and a Tek WFM scope and V scope.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: DNxHD QuckTime FCP Import Question

On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:57 AM, jim howat wrote:

> John, I think you are correct here - there is an excellent blog page
on this from a colleague of Michael Rynderman's which explains the
behaviour. (I
can't find it this morning). Unless FCP breaks the model on import.
I'll try RGB today for FCP, but are right with Avid.

I defend:

All I know is it works as it should when importing an Avid export done
with RGB colorspace into FCP. I've tried doing it "correctly" (ie:
using 601/709 color space for the Avid) and it has always produced
elevated blacks in FCP.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Relink AMA

You have a choice of how you want the bins made - everything in one
bin, bin per folder, etc.

Based Rupert's info, seems like we need a function to fix the UNC
path, rather that having to re-establish it through the full bin-
creating link process.

On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:28 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:

> Having not had any AMA stuff yet what actually happens when you go
> through the link to AMA volumes? Are new bins created for each
> volume or do the existing bins just relink during the process?
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Rupert Watson" <rupert@...> wrote:
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > as I understand it the AMA link is created as a function of the
> UNC path at which the virtual volume is found.
> >
> > If, for whatever reason, the relationship between the editing
> computer and the disk on which the virtual volumes is changed, the
> UNC path will change. In this instance the AMA link will be broken,
> but as you say the media is found again as soon as you go throught
> the link to AMA process again on the file menu.
> >
> > Rupert Watson
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Greg Huson
> > Sent: Fri 2/5/2010 10:43 PM
> > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Relink AMA
> >
> > No, not frequent enough to really be a pain. And it's simple enough
> > to re-establish the link, unless you have a month's worth of
> 'virtual
> > cards.' That takes a while to re-ama all those, even as fast as that
> > process is.
> >
> > I'm not sure it's a 'bug' yet - possibly just a dark spot in my
> > understanding...
> >
> > gh
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Greg Huson
> > Secret Headquarters, Inc
> > Post Production / Production
> > Culver City, CA
> > 323 677 2092
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> > www.SecretHQ.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Raj Rodrigues wrote:
> >
> > > Is this frequent enough to be a PITA? What build of sw/hw are you
> > > on? Does
> > > Avid know? Luckily we haven't seen any of this around here as yet.
> > > Good to
> > > know though.
> > >
> > > Raj
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Greg Huson <Greg@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Is there a way to 'relink' to AMA? We've noticed even when on
> local
> > >> storage, sometimes the AMA links get 'lost' and media appears
> > >> offline-
> > >> once the drives have been moved around, or, sometimes, even
> just spun
> > >> down.
> > >>
> > >> I poked around google, cow, avid, etc - I don't see a solution to
> > >> this
> > >> other than doing a new 'link to AMA volume' then deleting the
> new bin
> > >> (since the formerly offline clips suddenly know where there
> footage
> > >> is.)
> > >>
> > >> Any tips? - relink doesn't seem to work, even if you point
> directly
> > >> to
> > >> the folder (as suggested in the workflow pdf.)
> > >>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: DNxHD QuckTime FCP Import Question

On Feb 5, 2010, at 1:41 AM, johnrobmoore wrote:

> It is my understanding that the Avid DNX codec is alway considered to
be 601 not RGB. When you check the RGB for export you are telling QT
to adjust the video levels from RGB to 601 level when making the QT so
that when the Avid imports it the levels will always be interpreted as
601 and come out right. By definition the DNX codec is 601. You can
get fouled up if your source is RGB but you check 601 option then it
will not lower the RGB levels to 601. If you are exporting from an
Avid timeline that would be 601 space so I don't think it would be
correct to check RGB on export. If you are exporting captured material
that too would be 601 level. Am I missing something here. It was just
last week I read about this and I thought the light had finally turned
on for me regarding why some imports in Avid codecs don't change no
matter RGB or 601 on import. Is my light fading, please say it ain't
so.

John:

I can only tell you that if you export as anything other than RGB from
Avid, the export will contain elevated black levels. That is my own
personal experience when doing DNxHD145 1920x1080 Avid exports. If you
export using 709 (for HD), the QT imported into FCP will have elevated
blacks. By setting the Avid export's color space to RGB, the video
levels are correct in FCP. I don't know if this is different from
doing SD exports using 601; I'm talking about Avid HD exports which
give you the choice to use 709 or RGB. In this case, RGB works
correctly.

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RE: [Avid-L2] Re: Relink AMA

You have several choices. My favorite makes a bin per card, but it can be
by folder or volume and several others.

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From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
johnrobmoore
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 4:29 PM
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Relink AMA

Having not had any AMA stuff yet what actually happens when you go through
the link to AMA volumes? Are new bins created for each volume or do the
existing bins just relink during the process?

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com> .com, "Rupert
Watson" <rupert@...> wrote:
>
> Greg
>
> as I understand it the AMA link is created as a function of the UNC path
at which the virtual volume is found.
>
> If, for whatever reason, the relationship between the editing computer and
the disk on which the virtual volumes is changed, the UNC path will change.
In this instance the AMA link will be broken, but as you say the media is
found again as soon as you go throught the link to AMA process again on the
file menu.
>
> Rupert Watson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com> .com on
behalf of Greg Huson
> Sent: Fri 2/5/2010 10:43 PM
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Relink AMA
>
> No, not frequent enough to really be a pain. And it's simple enough
> to re-establish the link, unless you have a month's worth of 'virtual
> cards.' That takes a while to re-ama all those, even as fast as that
> process is.
>
> I'm not sure it's a 'bug' yet - possibly just a dark spot in my
> understanding...
>
> gh
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Greg Huson
> Secret Headquarters, Inc
> Post Production / Production
> Culver City, CA
> 323 677 2092
> 323 677 2096 F
> www.DigitalServiceStation.com
> greg (at) SecretHQ.com
> www.SecretHQ.com
>
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Raj Rodrigues wrote:
>
> > Is this frequent enough to be a PITA? What build of sw/hw are you
> > on? Does
> > Avid know? Luckily we haven't seen any of this around here as yet.
> > Good to
> > know though.
> >
> > Raj
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Greg Huson <Greg@...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Is there a way to 'relink' to AMA? We've noticed even when on local
> >> storage, sometimes the AMA links get 'lost' and media appears
> >> offline-
> >> once the drives have been moved around, or, sometimes, even just spun
> >> down.
> >>
> >> I poked around google, cow, avid, etc - I don't see a solution to
> >> this
> >> other than doing a new 'link to AMA volume' then deleting the new bin
> >> (since the formerly offline clips suddenly know where there footage
> >> is.)
> >>
> >> Any tips? - relink doesn't seem to work, even if you point directly
> >> to
> >> the folder (as suggested in the workflow pdf.)
> >>
> >> gh
> >> ----------------------------------------------------
> >> Greg Huson
> >> Secret Headquarters, Inc
> >> Post Production / Production
> >> Culver City, CA
> >> 323 677 2092
> >> 323 677 2096 F
> >> www.DigitalServiceStation.com
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[Avid-L2] Re: Relink AMA

Having not had any AMA stuff yet what actually happens when you go through the link to AMA volumes? Are new bins created for each volume or do the existing bins just relink during the process?

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Rupert Watson" <rupert@...> wrote:
>
> Greg
>
> as I understand it the AMA link is created as a function of the UNC path at which the virtual volume is found.
>
> If, for whatever reason, the relationship between the editing computer and the disk on which the virtual volumes is changed, the UNC path will change. In this instance the AMA link will be broken, but as you say the media is found again as soon as you go throught the link to AMA process again on the file menu.
>
> Rupert Watson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Greg Huson
> Sent: Fri 2/5/2010 10:43 PM
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Relink AMA
>
> No, not frequent enough to really be a pain. And it's simple enough
> to re-establish the link, unless you have a month's worth of 'virtual
> cards.' That takes a while to re-ama all those, even as fast as that
> process is.
>
> I'm not sure it's a 'bug' yet - possibly just a dark spot in my
> understanding...
>
> gh
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Greg Huson
> Secret Headquarters, Inc
> Post Production / Production
> Culver City, CA
> 323 677 2092
> 323 677 2096 F
> www.DigitalServiceStation.com
> greg (at) SecretHQ.com
> www.SecretHQ.com
>
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Raj Rodrigues wrote:
>
> > Is this frequent enough to be a PITA? What build of sw/hw are you
> > on? Does
> > Avid know? Luckily we haven't seen any of this around here as yet.
> > Good to
> > know though.
> >
> > Raj
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Greg Huson <Greg@...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Is there a way to 'relink' to AMA? We've noticed even when on local
> >> storage, sometimes the AMA links get 'lost' and media appears
> >> offline-
> >> once the drives have been moved around, or, sometimes, even just spun
> >> down.
> >>
> >> I poked around google, cow, avid, etc - I don't see a solution to
> >> this
> >> other than doing a new 'link to AMA volume' then deleting the new bin
> >> (since the formerly offline clips suddenly know where there footage
> >> is.)
> >>
> >> Any tips? - relink doesn't seem to work, even if you point directly
> >> to
> >> the folder (as suggested in the workflow pdf.)
> >>
> >> gh
> >> ----------------------------------------------------
> >> Greg Huson
> >> Secret Headquarters, Inc
> >> Post Production / Production
> >> Culver City, CA
> >> 323 677 2092
> >> 323 677 2096 F
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RE: [Avid-L2] Relink AMA

Greg

as I understand it the AMA link is created as a function of the UNC path at which the virtual volume is found.

If, for whatever reason, the relationship between the editing computer and the disk on which the virtual volumes is changed, the UNC path will change. In this instance the AMA link will be broken, but as you say the media is found again as soon as you go throught the link to AMA process again on the file menu.

Rupert Watson

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To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Relink AMA

No, not frequent enough to really be a pain. And it's simple enough
to re-establish the link, unless you have a month's worth of 'virtual
cards.' That takes a while to re-ama all those, even as fast as that
process is.

I'm not sure it's a 'bug' yet - possibly just a dark spot in my
understanding...

On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Raj Rodrigues wrote:

> Is this frequent enough to be a PITA? What build of sw/hw are you
> on? Does
> Avid know? Luckily we haven't seen any of this around here as yet.
> Good to
> know though.
>
> Raj
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Greg Huson <Greg@secrethq.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Is there a way to 'relink' to AMA? We've noticed even when on local
>> storage, sometimes the AMA links get 'lost' and media appears
>> offline-
>> once the drives have been moved around, or, sometimes, even just spun
>> down.
>>
>> I poked around google, cow, avid, etc - I don't see a solution to
>> this
>> other than doing a new 'link to AMA volume' then deleting the new bin
>> (since the formerly offline clips suddenly know where there footage
>> is.)
>>
>> Any tips? - relink doesn't seem to work, even if you point directly
>> to
>> the folder (as suggested in the workflow pdf.)
>>
>> gh
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> Greg Huson
>> Secret Headquarters, Inc
>> Post Production / Production
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>> 323 677 2096 F
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Re: [Avid-L2] Relink AMA

"Gee Dr., it hurts when I do this" ,.. :-)

There's an AMA log in the Fatal Error folder on your system. See what
it has to say.

AFAIK, restarting the app is the cleanest way to establish a relink. It
refreshes the mount point and should not make new clips.

There's an "always mount" AMA setting (2nd tab) that somewhat controls
the scanning behavior of the AMA volumes. This might help, but if the
mount point of the AMA material keeps changing, it will probably always
be confused by this.

If a sequence is involved, it's interesting to note that :
"If you relink a sequence and the bin that stores the AMA (Avid Media
Access) referenced clips is closed, the media does not relink. Before
you relink, open the bin of the referenced clips. For information on
AMA, see The Avid Media Access (AMA) Workflow."

Raj Rodrigues wrote:

>Is this frequent enough to be a PITA? What build of sw/hw are you on? Does
>Avid know? Luckily we haven't seen any of this around here as yet. Good to
>know though.
>
>Raj
>
>
>
>On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Greg Huson <Greg@secrethq.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Is there a way to 'relink' to AMA? We've noticed even when on local
>>storage, sometimes the AMA links get 'lost' and media appears offline-
>>once the drives have been moved around, or, sometimes, even just spun
>>down.
>>
>>I poked around google, cow, avid, etc - I don't see a solution to this
>>other than doing a new 'link to AMA volume' then deleting the new bin
>>(since the formerly offline clips suddenly know where there footage is.)
>>
>>Any tips? - relink doesn't seem to work, even if you point directly to
>>the folder (as suggested in the workflow pdf.)
>>
>>gh
>>----------------------------------------------------
>>Greg Huson
>>Secret Headquarters, Inc
>>Post Production / Production
>>Culver City, CA
>>323 677 2092
>>323 677 2096 F
>>www.DigitalServiceStation.com
>>greg (at) SecretHQ.com
>>www.SecretHQ.com
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Re: [Avid-L2] Relink AMA

No, not frequent enough to really be a pain. And it's simple enough
to re-establish the link, unless you have a month's worth of 'virtual
cards.' That takes a while to re-ama all those, even as fast as that
process is.

I'm not sure it's a 'bug' yet - possibly just a dark spot in my
understanding...

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Re: [Avid-L2] Relink AMA

Is this frequent enough to be a PITA? What build of sw/hw are you on? Does
Avid know? Luckily we haven't seen any of this around here as yet. Good to
know though.

Raj

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Greg Huson <Greg@secrethq.com> wrote:

>
>
> Is there a way to 'relink' to AMA? We've noticed even when on local
> storage, sometimes the AMA links get 'lost' and media appears offline-
> once the drives have been moved around, or, sometimes, even just spun
> down.
>
> I poked around google, cow, avid, etc - I don't see a solution to this
> other than doing a new 'link to AMA volume' then deleting the new bin
> (since the formerly offline clips suddenly know where there footage is.)
>
> Any tips? - relink doesn't seem to work, even if you point directly to
> the folder (as suggested in the workflow pdf.)
>
> gh
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Greg Huson
> Secret Headquarters, Inc
> Post Production / Production
> Culver City, CA
> 323 677 2092
> 323 677 2096 F
> www.DigitalServiceStation.com
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> www.SecretHQ.com
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[Avid-L2] Relink AMA

Is there a way to 'relink' to AMA? We've noticed even when on local
storage, sometimes the AMA links get 'lost' and media appears offline-
once the drives have been moved around, or, sometimes, even just spun
down.

I poked around google, cow, avid, etc - I don't see a solution to this
other than doing a new 'link to AMA volume' then deleting the new bin
(since the formerly offline clips suddenly know where there footage is.)

Any tips? - relink doesn't seem to work, even if you point directly to
the folder (as suggested in the workflow pdf.)

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RE: [Avid-L2] Avid buys Blue Order

So, you think the Vegas paradigm will rule. It's so different there is
no way they are paying anyone patent fees....

Rupert Watson

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From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
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Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Avid buys Blue Order

Only if they can afford to buy a LOT of patent fees.

On 5. feb. 2010, at 18.17, Robert Lawson wrote:

> My prediction: Someone will develop a new, magical NLE program someday
> to replace Media Composer and FCP but it will still have a source
> monitor, a record monitor and a timeline.

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RE: [Avid-L2] Re: Avid buys Blue Order

Yup. Andy at Editshare owns them.

Linux Lightworks. It's a-acoming.

I only hope they had the sense to hire Owen back to his spiritual home.

Edit share smell like they might be building a kick ass soup to nuts
ingest, edit, playout 'n' asset management system.

Not bad for a recovering science doco producer...

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On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:53 AM, David Dodson wrote:

> So when MC is gone, what will us pros be cutting on? What will be
> the professional NLE of choice?

What's Lightworks like these days? Are they still around?

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: NLE of the future (was Avid buys Blue Order)

I could live with this.

On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Jim Feeley wrote:

> In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com> , David Dodson
> <davidadodson@...> wrote:
> >
> > <<If it's truly a closed network, then great.>>
>
> Well, if the system is built with technology and by people who take security
> seriously, a cloud system can be OK. For example, my old officemates,
> Aspera, makes software that allows high speed file transfer...Way beyond
> what you can do with FTP. Used by WETA, Technicolor, NBC, Apple (for content
> owners sending their material to the iTunes Store), and so on. So they get
> the media space. Their stuff is also used on some cloud computing efforts.
> And more significantly for this discussion, their software is used by the US
> Department of Defense, the NSA, and so on to transfer super classified
> information over open and closed worldwide TCP/IP networks like (the closed)
> JWICS and SIPRNET... OK, I'm getting out my depth here....I'm not even sure
> I got those last two acronyms correct.
>
> Aspera will be at NAB again, I'm pretty sure:
>
> http://www.asperasoft.com
>
> The point is, people way more concerned about security than James Cameron
> and Steve Jobs move data over TCP/IP. So Avid or someone could build a cloud
> system that works for folks like us and isn't too risky. "Could" doesn't
> equal "will." Guess we'll see more at NAB...
>
> Jim
> --
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