Saturday, January 21, 2017

Re: [Avid-L2] Atmos Shogun

 

Honestly, I'd have given up on RS-422 control and just crash record it. Why not? Are you thinking you need to control it somehow? You can still use Digital Cut to crash record. And when it's done recording, pull the file in and use something like QTChange to alter the time code, if you even need time code.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:09 AM, john beck jb30343@windstream.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Thanks Bouke and John. Unfortunately, there's nothing in the Atmos
Shogun manual about configuring the RS422 port. All they say is that
it's there. I suppose anything is possible, including the need to sway
xmit and receive pins in the cable. I'll try to mess with it some more
next week. --J.B.

bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2] wrote:
>
>
>
> I haven't tried recently but I did back at 5.5 Avid build the reverse
> RS-422 cable, basically it swapped transmit and receives from pin to
> pin like a normal vtr cable and swapped pin 2 to 7 and 3 to 6 or some
> such thing. I had a long thread on it several years back. It did
> ultimately work and I was able to control Avid from a Digibeta with it
> appearing as the playback machine. Fun experiment I think the cable
> is buried on my work bench which means I will probably find Hoffa
> before it.
>
> ---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <bouke@...> wrote :
>
> From memory, there are several different 422 cables. (remembering the
> time when you could slave Avid as a player? That needed a different one.)
> Or, it's a setup issue where you have to assign the port. (Let alone
> baud rate, stop / parity eider.)
>
> But WHY? It's a file based recorder that shoots ProRes and DNxHD, you
> can AMA link to the files and be done with it…
>
> Bouke
>
> Edit 'B / VideoToolShed.com <http://VideoToolShed.com>
> van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
> 6512 AS Nijmegen
> +31 6 21817248
>
>> On 20 Jan 2017, at 18:05, john beck jb30343@...
>> <mailto:jb30343@...> [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone here had success connecting and controlling an Atmos
>> Shogun
>> to Media Composer? I briefly tried hooking one up via HDSDI and the
>> RS422 port on a Shogun Studio. I tried letting MC auto configure
>> and a
>> variety of deck templates but MC acts as if nothing is there.
>>
>> According to the Atmos Shogun manual, the port is RS422 an I
>> should be
>> able to control basic deck functions through it. I verified my
>> cables,
>> etc. by happily controlling a Sony HDW M2000. Many thanks for any
>> insight. --J.B.
>>
>
>
>
>


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Re: [Avid-L2] Atmos Shogun

 

Thanks Bouke and John. Unfortunately, there's nothing in the Atmos
Shogun manual about configuring the RS422 port. All they say is that
it's there. I suppose anything is possible, including the need to sway
xmit and receive pins in the cable. I'll try to mess with it some more
next week. --J.B.

bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2] wrote:
>
>
>
> I haven't tried recently but I did back at 5.5 Avid build the reverse
> RS-422 cable, basically it swapped transmit and receives from pin to
> pin like a normal vtr cable and swapped pin 2 to 7 and 3 to 6 or some
> such thing. I had a long thread on it several years back. It did
> ultimately work and I was able to control Avid from a Digibeta with it
> appearing as the playback machine. Fun experiment I think the cable
> is buried on my work bench which means I will probably find Hoffa
> before it.
>
> ---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <bouke@...> wrote :
>
> From memory, there are several different 422 cables. (remembering the
> time when you could slave Avid as a player? That needed a different one.)
> Or, it's a setup issue where you have to assign the port. (Let alone
> baud rate, stop / parity eider.)
>
> But WHY? It's a file based recorder that shoots ProRes and DNxHD, you
> can AMA link to the files and be done with it…
>
> Bouke
>
> Edit 'B / VideoToolShed.com <http://VideoToolShed.com>
> van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
> 6512 AS Nijmegen
> +31 6 21817248
>
>> On 20 Jan 2017, at 18:05, john beck jb30343@...
>> <mailto:jb30343@...> [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone here had success connecting and controlling an Atmos
>> Shogun
>> to Media Composer? I briefly tried hooking one up via HDSDI and the
>> RS422 port on a Shogun Studio. I tried letting MC auto configure
>> and a
>> variety of deck templates but MC acts as if nothing is there.
>>
>> According to the Atmos Shogun manual, the port is RS422 an I
>> should be
>> able to control basic deck functions through it. I verified my
>> cables,
>> etc. by happily controlling a Sony HDW M2000. Many thanks for any
>> insight. --J.B.
>>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [Avid-L2] 8K to YouT ube

 

VR, the next 3D. Let's see if Avid can be misdirected to waste a lot of their precious resources again. :-/



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[Avid-L2] Re: 8K to YouT ube

 

"YouTube did NOT licence H265 (HEVC), it sticks to H264 or worse codecs, so there is in fact a 4K limit."


YouTube doesn't need H265 because Google developed VP9 which it uses to support 4K and above. VP9 is part of WebM. Lightworks supports WebM. There is a WebM plug-in for Premiere Pro. Otherwise, you'll need a ProRes to WebM converter. And, you'll have to find a way to inject the 360 meta-tag into your upload.

If you are are using Safari which only supports h264 you cannot see 4K or greater. Been that way for over a year. Both Chrome and FireFox support VP9. Have no idea if MS Edge does. Doubt it.

More — just for fun!

Boxes like Roku 4K include a VP9 decoder for YouTube 4K. Anything from Amazon — and, I think Apple, — does not.

You also need to check 4K TVs. The Japanese wanted to stay with MPEG LA. Vizeo, for example, c/wouldn't get 4k YouTube. That may have changed.

I suspect you now need to check if a 4K HDR TV will decode a VP9 stream that has YouTube HDR metadata as well as decode H265 with HDR metadata. Hopefully, if both use HR10 they will be the same.

Seems the Japanese have eliminated Dolby from 4K BR. But I think the NHK/BBC HDR is still allowed because I believe that is how 8K will be broadcast in Japan and Korea in 2020. And, it may be used in the USA for 4K OTA — someday in ATSC 3.0.

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Friday, January 20, 2017

Re: [Avid-L2] Atmos Shogun

 


I haven't tried recently but I did back at 5.5 Avid build the reverse RS-422 cable, basically it swapped transmit and receives from pin to pin like a normal vtr cable and swapped pin 2 to 7 and 3 to 6 or some such thing.  I had a long thread on it several years back.  It did ultimately work and I was able to control Avid from a Digibeta with it appearing as the playback machine.  Fun experiment I think the cable is buried on my work bench which means I will probably find Hoffa before it.

---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <bouke@...> wrote :

From memory, there are several different 422 cables. (remembering the time when you could slave Avid as a player? That needed a different one.)
Or, it's a setup issue where you have to assign the port. (Let alone baud rate, stop / parity eider.)

But WHY? It's a file based recorder that shoots ProRes and DNxHD, you can AMA link to the files and be done with it…

Bouke

Edit 'B / VideoToolShed.com
van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
6512 AS  Nijmegen
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On 20 Jan 2017, at 18:05, john beck jb30343@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Has anyone here had success connecting and controlling an Atmos Shogun 
to Media Composer? I briefly tried hooking one up via HDSDI and the 
RS422 port on a Shogun Studio. I tried letting MC auto configure and a 
variety of deck templates but MC acts as if nothing is there.

According to the Atmos Shogun manual, the port is RS422 an I should be 
able to control basic deck functions through it. I verified my cables, 
etc. by happily controlling a Sony HDW M2000. Many thanks for any 
insight. --J.B.


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Re[2]: [Avid-L2] Atmos Shogun

 

I'm old fashioned and I like the "digital cut" step in the delivery process. I'm just modern enough that at the end of watching the real time output, I'd like to have a file. JB 



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Friday, January 20, 2017, 4:44 PM -0600 from Bouke bouke@editb.nl [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>:


From memory, there are several different 422 cables. (remembering the time when you could slave Avid as a player? That needed a different one.)
Or, it's a setup issue where you have to assign the port. (Let alone baud rate, stop / parity eider.)

But WHY? It's a file based recorder that shoots ProRes and DNxHD, you can AMA link to the files and be done with it…

Bouke

Edit 'B / VideoToolShed.com
van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
6512 AS  Nijmegen
+31 6 21817248

On 20 Jan 2017, at 18:05, john beck jb30343@windstream.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Has anyone here had success connecting and controlling an Atmos Shogun 
to Media Composer? I briefly tried hooking one up via HDSDI and the 
RS422 port on a Shogun Studio. I tried letting MC auto configure and a 
variety of deck templates but MC acts as if nothing is there.

According to the Atmos Shogun manual, the port is RS422 an I should be 
able to control basic deck functions through it. I verified my cables, 
etc. by happily controlling a Sony HDW M2000. Many thanks for any 
insight. --J.B.




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Re: [Avid-L2] 8K to YouT ube

 

Meanwhile i've learned a few things more:

1) When shooting with a GoPro rig, one thing not to forget to put in your case is reading glasses.
2) YouTube did NOT licence H265 (HEVC), it sticks to H264 or worse codecs, so there is in fact a 4K limit. 
Even when the YT player shouts 8K, I  am pretty sure it's 4K.
(Ok, a few years back I thought that would be enough for the next decade, but nevertheless.)
So, YouTube's advice to upload 8K makes no sense at all! (My downscale is the same or better than YouTubes.)
3) When toying around with an Oculus (Or in my case, Oculus like glasses and a Samsung Galaxy) to see the end result, have bucket and mop handy, as you will need it.

Bouke

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On 20 Jan 2017, at 15:25, Mark Spano cutandcover@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Might not help you short term, but the beta for the new version of Scratch has this as a feature:

  • Option to create 10 bit H264 .mp4 or .mov output. Important to generate HDR output; the files contain all HDR statistics (such as color space and transfer function info and mastering luminance levels). Furthermore, the H264 maximum output resolution is now 8192x6144. The higher resolutions are especially important in the VR environment.

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 11:45 AM, 'Edit B' bouke@editb.nl [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

How do I get a manageble file size to upload to YouTube?
H264 is limited to 4K, H265 is not supported, VP9 is not supported, and 
YouTube suggests 8K for spherical content.
(I did a test with exporting ProRes 8K, but for the life of me I can't see a 
difference, but nevertheless...)

Oh, making 360 video is fun, but a hell to do...
Bad stitching, bad colors, with a magic roundabout (2 cams crapped out 
during the shoot...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooss2T_HG94&t=310s
same in 8K (but only 20 secs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IQyYmYLDho

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Re: [Avid-L2] Atmos Shogun

 

From memory, there are several different 422 cables. (remembering the time when you could slave Avid as a player? That needed a different one.)

Or, it's a setup issue where you have to assign the port. (Let alone baud rate, stop / parity eider.)

But WHY? It's a file based recorder that shoots ProRes and DNxHD, you can AMA link to the files and be done with it…

Bouke

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On 20 Jan 2017, at 18:05, john beck jb30343@windstream.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Has anyone here had success connecting and controlling an Atmos Shogun 
to Media Composer? I briefly tried hooking one up via HDSDI and the 
RS422 port on a Shogun Studio. I tried letting MC auto configure and a 
variety of deck templates but MC acts as if nothing is there.

According to the Atmos Shogun manual, the port is RS422 an I should be 
able to control basic deck functions through it. I verified my cables, 
etc. by happily controlling a Sony HDW M2000. Many thanks for any 
insight. --J.B.


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[Avid-L2] Atmos Shogun

 

Has anyone here had success connecting and controlling an Atmos Shogun
to Media Composer? I briefly tried hooking one up via HDSDI and the
RS422 port on a Shogun Studio. I tried letting MC auto configure and a
variety of deck templates but MC acts as if nothing is there.

According to the Atmos Shogun manual, the port is RS422 an I should be
able to control basic deck functions through it. I verified my cables,
etc. by happily controlling a Sony HDW M2000. Many thanks for any
insight. --J.B.

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Re: [Avid-L2] 8K to YouT ube

 

Might not help you short term, but the beta for the new version of Scratch has this as a feature:

  • Option to create 10 bit H264 .mp4 or .mov output. Important to generate HDR output; the files contain all HDR statistics (such as color space and transfer function info and mastering luminance levels). Furthermore, the H264 maximum output resolution is now 8192x6144. The higher resolutions are especially important in the VR environment.

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 11:45 AM, 'Edit B' bouke@editb.nl [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

How do I get a manageble file size to upload to YouTube?
H264 is limited to 4K, H265 is not supported, VP9 is not supported, and
YouTube suggests 8K for spherical content.
(I did a test with exporting ProRes 8K, but for the life of me I can't see a
difference, but nevertheless...)

Oh, making 360 video is fun, but a hell to do...
Bad stitching, bad colors, with a magic roundabout (2 cams crapped out
during the shoot...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooss2T_HG94&t=310s
same in 8K (but only 20 secs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IQyYmYLDho

Bouke

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