Saturday, June 2, 2012

[Avid-L2] Re: Moving an FCP Project to Avid

 

You could take all the clips in a bin, drag them to a sequence, then AutoDuck that sequence to Avid. Do it per bin and you will have bins with matching clips in Avid land.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, David Dodson <davidadodson@...> wrote:
>
>
> This is greatly helpful, Andy. Many, many thanks. And thanks to Job for also helping out. I do, however, have a follow-up question...
>
> What happens to the metadata of the Red clips, the TC on the Panasonic footage, etc? Does the duck carry it all over? And then what about the FCP project folder structure? Is there a way to replicate it as Avid bins when opening the new Avid project?
>
> Obviously, I ask because at this point the projects many, many hours of footage has been meticulously organized into a plethora of specific folders.
>
> Thanks, again,
>
> David
>
>
> On Jun 2, 2012, at 3:06 AM, Andy Field wrote:
>
> > We have to do this several times a month. There's a simpler way of moving
> > to AE and then to AVID - although it took us a long time to figure it out
> >
> > We tried it with AMA relink and it virtually never worked -- AMA is simply
> > unreliable in AVID - this is one of the great strengths of FCP - you can put
> > your media anywhere and import as is and FCP remembers where it is without
> > transcoding to a proprietary codec (for the most part - you still have to
> > rewrap DVCPRO HD and XDCAM in a QuickTime Container - but there are programs
> > that let you avoid that
> >
> > But to answer your question -
> >
> > Here's how - go to this link below to see export settings out of FCP - your
> > only variable is the quality setting for your Avid Media - that's up to you.
> >
> > http://s962.photobucket.com/albums/ae110/andyfield_photo/?action=view&curren
> > t=AutomaticDuckFCPexportsettingsUSETHIS.png
> >
> > THEN
> >
> > Take all the exported clips and move them to a standard AvidMedia folder
> > putting them inside the subfolder (folder 1, 2...whatever you want)
> >
> > THEN Open AVID - make sure you are directed to the hard drive where your
> > newly transcoded media lives and create a new project
> >
> > THEN - import the exported AAF file into a bin.
> >
> > THEN double click the FCP exported sequence inside that bin -- it will
> > create a new duplicate sequence
> >
> > OPEN THAT
> >
> > Your files should all relink and you are back to editing
> >
> > A lot of effects and filters won't come through but you will be 90 percent
> > of the way there
> >
> > Happy Editing (a FCP 7 Refugee who is no longer the rabid Apple Fan he was
> > since FCP X came out)
> >
> > Andy Field
> > FieldVision Productions
> > 4976 Cloister Drive
> > North Bethesda, Maryland 20852
> > W: 301-897-9689
> > C: 202-262-3376
> >
> > AndyField@...
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> David Dodson
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>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Moving an FCP Project to Avid

This is greatly helpful, Andy. Many, many thanks. And thanks to Job for also helping out. I do, however, have a follow-up question...

What happens to the metadata of the Red clips, the TC on the Panasonic footage, etc? Does the duck carry it all over? And then what about the FCP project folder structure? Is there a way to replicate it as Avid bins when opening the new Avid project?

Obviously, I ask because at this point the projects many, many hours of footage has been meticulously organized into a plethora of specific folders.

Thanks, again,

David


On Jun 2, 2012, at 3:06 AM, Andy Field wrote:

> We have to do this several times a month. There's a simpler way of moving
> to AE and then to AVID - although it took us a long time to figure it out
>
> We tried it with AMA relink and it virtually never worked -- AMA is simply
> unreliable in AVID - this is one of the great strengths of FCP - you can put
> your media anywhere and import as is and FCP remembers where it is without
> transcoding to a proprietary codec (for the most part - you still have to
> rewrap DVCPRO HD and XDCAM in a QuickTime Container - but there are programs
> that let you avoid that
>
> But to answer your question -
>
> Here's how - go to this link below to see export settings out of FCP - your
> only variable is the quality setting for your Avid Media - that's up to you.
>
> http://s962.photobucket.com/albums/ae110/andyfield_photo/?action=view&curren
> t=AutomaticDuckFCPexportsettingsUSETHIS.png
>
> THEN
>
> Take all the exported clips and move them to a standard AvidMedia folder
> putting them inside the subfolder (folder 1, 2...whatever you want)
>
> THEN Open AVID - make sure you are directed to the hard drive where your
> newly transcoded media lives and create a new project
>
> THEN - import the exported AAF file into a bin.
>
> THEN double click the FCP exported sequence inside that bin -- it will
> create a new duplicate sequence
>
> OPEN THAT
>
> Your files should all relink and you are back to editing
>
> A lot of effects and filters won't come through but you will be 90 percent
> of the way there
>
> Happy Editing (a FCP 7 Refugee who is no longer the rabid Apple Fan he was
> since FCP X came out)
>
> Andy Field
> FieldVision Productions
> 4976 Cloister Drive
> North Bethesda, Maryland 20852
> W: 301-897-9689
> C: 202-262-3376
>
> AndyField@mindspring.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Re: [Avid-L2] Moving an FCP Project to Avid

 


When it comes to grading, I much prefer staying DNxHD185. Deliveries in XDAM-HD are OK, but as an intermediate, it's not my first choice.

Avoiding stuff like FCP, QT, H264 and ProRes would definitely be my first choice.

Last time I mixed down to 185, sent the resulting MXF mediafile to grading, received the MXF back from grading in 185, added captions in Avid, exported to OP1A XDCAM HD MXF.

Looked pristine.

On 2 jun. 2012, at 16:12, bouke wrote:

> Use XDcam MXF / MOV to go either way and your worries should be over.
> (at least i don't see any problems so far...)

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Re: [Avid-L2] Moving an FCP Project to Avid

 

Use XDcam MXF / MOV to go either way and your worries should be over.
(at least i don't see any problems so far...)

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Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Moving an FCP Project to Avid

Biggest bummer: getting legal video back from grading, and seeing no way to
bring these files in at unchanged levels.

Try and import the Belle Nuit test chart into FCP. I never got that right.
Import it in Avid (where it imports just fine), play it out over SDI,
capture it into FCP over AJA/BMD, play it out over SDI out, and it looks
fine. Just don't try to export it, as it appeared that FCP remapped black to
0, no matter what.

I think FCP and QT is an abomination when it comes to video levels. I whish
Avid would bypass QT altogether during import and export.

Having issues getting consistent levels with DSLR footage too, probably
because of QT and H264. Ugh.

J

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[Avid-L2] Re: HTF do I export an OMF in Symphony 6.0.1.1? HTF is "WTF except "How" not "What"

 

Thanks Greg. That worked.

I transcoded the sequence again and it worked. It exported to an OMF 2 after the second transcode. I'm liking the Symphony upgrade a lot to edit on, but getting it to see the AMA, then the input, transcoding from AMA and output processes are a bit buggy.

Tony

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> We've run into this with AMA- transcode with handles, converting everything weird into standard sample rate and bit depth- then consolidate AGAIN, then it usually works. Oh, do a video mix down at your tarter resolution first, too.
>
> It's frustrating as hell, though- the other day I accidentally deleted all the audio in an entire project- first time in my career. For once I was thankful for file based media.
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Moving an FCP Project to Avid

 


Biggest bummer: getting legal video back from grading, and seeing no way to bring these files in at unchanged levels.

Try and import the Belle Nuit test chart into FCP. I never got that right.
Import it in Avid (where it imports just fine), play it out over SDI, capture it into FCP over AJA/BMD, play it out over SDI out, and it looks fine. Just don't try to export it, as it appeared that FCP remapped black to 0, no matter what.

I think FCP and QT is an abomination when it comes to video levels. I whish Avid would bypass QT altogether during import and export.

Having issues getting consistent levels with DSLR footage too, probably because of QT and H264. Ugh.

J

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Re: [Avid-L2] Moving an FCP Project to Avid

Yep it was very annoying.
Even harder to tell people that they would have to ignore their computer screen.
Even more annoying to get shots back that had already been graded.
Best workflow in the end, no changes to shots after grading.

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On Jun 2, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Job ter Burg (L2B) wrote:

>
> AJA/BMD in and out over SDI was fine. Imports and exports I could never get right in FCP.
>
> On 2 jun. 2012, at 12:21, Gary Berendsen wrote:
>
> > I even built a test edit at that time that would show the gammashift happening in the viewer but not on the aja/bmd outputs.
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Moving an FCP Project to Avid

 


AJA/BMD in and out over SDI was fine. Imports and exports I could never get right in FCP.

On 2 jun. 2012, at 12:21, Gary Berendsen wrote:

> I even built a test edit at that time that would show the gammashift happening in the viewer but not on the aja/bmd outputs.

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[Avid-L2] Re: HTF do I export an OMF in Symphony 6.0.1.1? HTF is "WTF except "How" not "What"

 

Good info on the workflow in this PDF:
http://cdn.pinnaclesys.com/supportfiles/attach/AudioVideo_Editing_Workflows.pdf

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Greg Huson <Greg@...> wrote:
>
> We've run into this with AMA- transcode with handles, converting everything weird into standard sample rate and bit depth- then consolidate AGAIN, then it usually works. Oh, do a video mix down at your tarter resolution first, too.
>
> It's frustrating as hell, though- the other day I accidentally deleted all the audio in an entire project- first time in my career. For once I was thankful for file based media.
>
> ________________________
> Greg Huson
> Secret Headquarters, Inc
> Greg (at) SecretHQ.com
> www.SecretHQ.com
> DigitalServicsStation.com
>
> On Jun 1, 2012, at 5:08 PM, "Tony Breuer" <tonybreuer@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Thanks Dennis. 48K and 16 bit so it should work. It doesn't
> >
> > I'm going to try transcoding the sequence again and see what happens.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Degan <DennyD1@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jun 1, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Tony Breuer wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Michael, but I tried that and got the same error message.
> > >
> > > I ask:
> > >
> > > Is the audio sample rate 48kHz? Is it 16 bit or 24 bit? I forget if
> > > OMF is limited to 16 bit or not.
> > >
> > > Dennis Degan, Video Editor-Consultant-Knowledge Bank
> > > NBC Today Show, New York
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Moving an FCP Project to Avid

The gamma shifts were a quicktime problem.
Doing a lot of compositing work I had to fix stuff from offline editors quite often at that time.
This was on edits done on a mac regardless of software.
I even built a test edit at that time that would show the gammashift happening in the viewer but not on the aja/bmd outputs.
Which made it all very frustrating.

The magic number is 0.818 :)

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On Jun 2, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Job ter Burg (L2B) wrote:

> I took over a doc that was started in FCP once.
>
> Had an AE bring all source footage into Avid, ignoring the FCP media. Used Automatic Duck to bring across the cuts we needed to work from. As this footage had been synced in FCP, the syncing did not travel across to MC, so it meant a manual conform of the three most important sequences. Took us three days or so. Weeks of happy Avid editing after that.
>
> I found that all the footage that had been transcoded from Panasonic P2 in FCP (to some non-cross-platform-version of DVCPRO-HD Quicktime codec) had suffered from a slight gamma shift, when compared to the original sources.
>
> That was one of the many instances I found FCP to be unreliabe when it came to color levels, by the way.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 2, 2012, at 2:32, David Dodson <davidadodson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > So I'm cutting a doc with about 70 hours of mostly Epic footage (with some Panasonic). It's a stereo project. But the show was set up on FCP before I came on board. Needless to say, I'm not an FCP fan. The bigger the project, the more glitchy and the bigger a pain in the ass FCP is.
> >
> > I'm thinking about porting the whole thing over to Avid. So is this an Automatic Duck situation? How would I handle turning everything into MXF's? Or what happens to all my FCP media?
> >
> > I'm just sick of crashes. And save errors. And out of memory errors. And all the other little annoyances you get on FCP that you never get with Avid. Mostly.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Dodson
> > davidadodson@sbcglobal.net
> >
> >
> >
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[Avid-L2] Re: Moving an FCP Project to Avid

 

We have to do this several times a month. There's a simpler way of moving
to AE and then to AVID - although it took us a long time to figure it out

We tried it with AMA relink and it virtually never worked -- AMA is simply
unreliable in AVID - this is one of the great strengths of FCP - you can put
your media anywhere and import as is and FCP remembers where it is without
transcoding to a proprietary codec (for the most part - you still have to
rewrap DVCPRO HD and XDCAM in a QuickTime Container - but there are programs
that let you avoid that

But to answer your question -

Here's how - go to this link below to see export settings out of FCP - your
only variable is the quality setting for your Avid Media - that's up to you.

http://s962.photobucket.com/albums/ae110/andyfield_photo/?action=view&curren
t=AutomaticDuckFCPexportsettingsUSETHIS.png

THEN

Take all the exported clips and move them to a standard AvidMedia folder
putting them inside the subfolder (folder 1, 2...whatever you want)

THEN Open AVID - make sure you are directed to the hard drive where your
newly transcoded media lives and create a new project

THEN - import the exported AAF file into a bin.

THEN double click the FCP exported sequence inside that bin -- it will
create a new duplicate sequence

OPEN THAT

Your files should all relink and you are back to editing

A lot of effects and filters won't come through but you will be 90 percent
of the way there

Happy Editing (a FCP 7 Refugee who is no longer the rabid Apple Fan he was
since FCP X came out)

Andy Field
FieldVision Productions
4976 Cloister Drive
North Bethesda, Maryland 20852
W: 301-897-9689
C: 202-262-3376

AndyField@mindspring.com

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Re: [Avid-L2] Moving an FCP Project to Avid

 

I took over a doc that was started in FCP once.

Had an AE bring all source footage into Avid, ignoring the FCP media. Used Automatic Duck to bring across the cuts we needed to work from. As this footage had been synced in FCP, the syncing did not travel across to MC, so it meant a manual conform of the three most important sequences. Took us three days or so. Weeks of happy Avid editing after that.

I found that all the footage that had been transcoded from Panasonic P2 in FCP (to some non-cross-platform-version of DVCPRO-HD Quicktime codec) had suffered from a slight gamma shift, when compared to the original sources.

That was one of the many instances I found FCP to be unreliabe when it came to color levels, by the way.

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 2, 2012, at 2:32, David Dodson <davidadodson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
> So I'm cutting a doc with about 70 hours of mostly Epic footage (with some Panasonic). It's a stereo project. But the show was set up on FCP before I came on board. Needless to say, I'm not an FCP fan. The bigger the project, the more glitchy and the bigger a pain in the ass FCP is.
>
> I'm thinking about porting the whole thing over to Avid. So is this an Automatic Duck situation? How would I handle turning everything into MXF's? Or what happens to all my FCP media?
>
> I'm just sick of crashes. And save errors. And out of memory errors. And all the other little annoyances you get on FCP that you never get with Avid. Mostly.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> David Dodson
> davidadodson@sbcglobal.net
>
>
>
>
>
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Friday, June 1, 2012

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: HTF do I export an OMF in Symphony 6.0.1.1? HTF is "WTF except "How" not "What"

 

We've run into this with AMA- transcode with handles, converting everything weird into standard sample rate and bit depth- then consolidate AGAIN, then it usually works. Oh, do a video mix down at your tarter resolution first, too.

It's frustrating as hell, though- the other day I accidentally deleted all the audio in an entire project- first time in my career. For once I was thankful for file based media.

________________________
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Secret Headquarters, Inc
Greg (at) SecretHQ.com
www.SecretHQ.com
DigitalServicsStation.com

On Jun 1, 2012, at 5:08 PM, "Tony Breuer" <tonybreuer@mac.com> wrote:

>
> Thanks Dennis. 48K and 16 bit so it should work. It doesn't
>
> I'm going to try transcoding the sequence again and see what happens.
>
> Tony
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Degan <DennyD1@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Jun 1, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Tony Breuer wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Michael, but I tried that and got the same error message.
> >
> > I ask:
> >
> > Is the audio sample rate 48kHz? Is it 16 bit or 24 bit? I forget if
> > OMF is limited to 16 bit or not.
> >
> > Dennis Degan, Video Editor-Consultant-Knowledge Bank
> > NBC Today Show, New York
> >
>
>

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[Avid-L2] Moving an FCP Project to Avid

 


So I'm cutting a doc with about 70 hours of mostly Epic footage (with some Panasonic). It's a stereo project. But the show was set up on FCP before I came on board. Needless to say, I'm not an FCP fan. The bigger the project, the more glitchy and the bigger a pain in the ass FCP is.

I'm thinking about porting the whole thing over to Avid. So is this an Automatic Duck situation? How would I handle turning everything into MXF's? Or what happens to all my FCP media?

I'm just sick of crashes. And save errors. And out of memory errors. And all the other little annoyances you get on FCP that you never get with Avid. Mostly.

Thanks,

David

David Dodson
davidadodson@sbcglobal.net

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[Avid-L2] Re: Mysteries of Color Correction Revealed! @ Editors' Lounge June 29th, 7PM

 

If this is anything like the last round of (S.H.) squared it should be great. Nothing like getting the skinny on that "Crop Circle" thingy people look at to adjust color. ;-)

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>
> TUNE IN AGAIN FRIDAY JUNE 29 FOR THE NEXT EDITORS' LOUNGE:
>
> An Evening with Colorist Steve Hullfish and Tektronix Engineer Steve
> Holmes
>
> Has a director ever asked you if you can fix a few bad shots? Have you
> struggled to make a final sequence look better? Steve Hullfish brought
> the art of color correction from the dark arts to the light of day in
> 2002 with his book Color Correction for Digital Video: Using Desktop
> Tools to Perfect Your Image
> <http://www.amazon.com/Color-Correction-Video-Second-Edition/dp/02408107\
> 83/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1338509245&sr=8-2&tag=acleint-20> (now in its
> 2nd Edition), followed in 2008 by The Art and Technique of Digital Color
> Correction
> <http://www.amazon.com/Technique-Digital-Correction-Second-Edition/dp/02\
> 4081715X/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1338509319&sr=1-3&tag=acleint-20\
> > (2nd Edition just released). At this special Editors' Lounge, Steve
> Hullfish will boost your color correction skills by revealing his tips
> and tricks in an up close and personal presentation.
>
> Have you ever wondered what colors you are really looking at? Do you
> sweat about passing QC?Tektronix waveform displays
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