Saturday, February 26, 2011

[Avid-L2] Re: Strobing Makes The News!

 

We have found we get different results depending on whether we are playing off tape or EE through the deck. We now run all our hardings after layback unless we have a super tight turn around. The organ pipes and static patterns failing the test are exactly because they are static (mental i know) here is an excerpt from the OFCOM guidance on this topic:

"5. A potentially harmful regular pattern contains clearly discernible stripes when there are more than five light-dark pairs of stripes in any orientation. The stripes may be parallel or radial, curved or straight, and may be formed by rows of repetitive elements such as polka dots. If the stripes change direction, oscillate, flash or reverse in contrast they are more likely to be harmful than if they are stationary. If the patterns obviously flow smoothly across, into, or out of the screen in one direction they are exempt from restriction.

5.1. Potentially harmful patterns are not permitted when either of the
following two conditions apply:
i. the stripes are stationary and the pattern occupies more than 40% of the displayed screen area; or
ii. the stripes change direction, oscillate, flash, or reverse in contrast and the pattern occupies more than twenty five per cent of screen area; and in addition to either of the above two conditions applying, when
iii. the screen luminance of the darker bars in the pattern is below 160 cd.m-2 and differs from the lighter bars by 20 cd.m-2 or more (see notes 1 and 2)."

So here it seems to be saying that it's harmful for patterns to move but also if they stay still! You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Transitions to saturated reds is also a hot topic at the moment! I heard that recently a large UK broadcaster was running its archive through the harding and almost everything from the old days failed - the opening titles sequence to a very well known 80's/90's childrens television show failed hugely. It does make you wonder and the fact that there are more than one version of the test seems ridiculous too - we'll have a pass at our end and the BBC will fail it! pain in the arse as how the hell are we meant to fix it when it passes at our end?? That little machine has caused many a late night headache!

Andi

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "shieldsy72" <PaulShieldsAvidL@...> wrote:
>
> Has Prof Harding ever explained how a static shot of some church organ pipes / venetian blinds can trigger epilepsy? Seen the FPA fail both.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Quinsee-Jover" <tony@> wrote:
> >
> > Agreed on all points.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > HD Heaven Media Limited (company no: 07061040) is registered in England and
> > Wales at Sapphire Heights Courtyard, 31 Tenby Street North, Birmingham B1
> > 3ES
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > Pat Horridge
> > Sent: 25 February 2011 18:50
> > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Strobing Makes The News!
> >
> > But isn't pedestal re-adjusted at the consumers display? So contrast looks
> > the same? I can't imagine folks watching sat up content.
> > In which case whatever device is used to check PSE would have to compensate.
> >
> > But yes contrast reduction is a frequent fix.
> > One other consideration and concern is that different Harding boxes can
> > produce different results with some passing a failure from another box.
> > Also some content can pass and then fail on the second run.
> > Clearly the current method of measure and pass/fail is inadequate. (or
> > deliberately vague to prevent others competing).
> >
> > Sent from Pat's iPhone
> >
>

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Re: [Avid-L2] Thunderbolt

I think he's talking about the fact that that Thunderbolt spigot is the same as the display spigot, so you either have to choose or daisy chain or something.

Steve Hullfish
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author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
co-author: "Color Correction for Video: revised edition," "Avid Xpress Pro Editing Workshop" and "Avid XpressDV On the Spot"
presenter: Class On Demand's "Complete Training for Avid Media Composer" AND "Complete Training for Apple Color"
www.classondemand.net/media/final-cut-training/color01.aspx

> 2) "can‚t really include more than one Thunderbolt slot, and can‚t use that one for anything but high-speed data (due, ironically, to their early adoption). "
>
> I don't understand what he's talking about when he says "can't use that one for anything but high-speed data". WTF else would you use a high speed bus for than "high speed data". If he's suggesting that you can only use it for storage that's foolish, as AJA, BMD, etc have already announced they will be supporting it.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Thunderbolt

I think the tech crunch article misses the mark on a number of fronts:

1) "Apple's burned itself with Firewire, which, while still used by many professionals, is more or less a niche interface compared with USB."

I wouldn't say Apple "burned" itself by providing users with firewire and usb. The fact that all macs had firewire enabled connectivity with a whole generation of storage, dv cameras, video/audio io, etc.

2) "can't really include more than one Thunderbolt slot, and can't use that one for anything but high-speed data (due, ironically, to their early adoption). "

I don't understand what he's talking about when he says "can't use that one for anything but high-speed data". WTF else would you use a high speed bus for than "high speed data". If he's suggesting that you can only use it for storage that's foolish, as AJA, BMD, etc have already announced they will be supporting it.

3) "if USB 3.0 takes off in the meantime, and people can't really tell the difference between 5Gb/s and 10Gb/s when they're transferring a few dozen photos from their camera, or a movie from their external hard drive?"

Again, what is this guy talking about? He seems to be missing the point... when copying files from a portable HD or camera, files don't move at anywhere near 5Gbps or 10Gbps because the bus speed is not the limiting factor. It's weird that someone who writes about this technology for a living is missing this.

-Nat

On Feb 24, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Mark Santora wrote:

> There's any interesting take on Thunderbolt over at Techcrunch.
>
> http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/02/24/apple-has-significant-head-start-with-thunderbolt-but-not-exclusive/
>
> It's a pragmatic look at the tech and its immediate future. And as I read
> it, i found it to be a reasonable look at the tech's future.
>
> Mark Santora
> On Feb 24, 2011 3:54 PM, "Shirley Gutierrez" <guanacaa@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> So long as I can hang an second display off a roaring fast, new generation
> iMac I'm happy. It's really not about the tower humming at your feet.
>>
>> Shirley
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nat jencks <natjencks.lists@gmail.com>
>> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 3:37 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Thunderbolt
>>
>>
>> Wow, that got a few responses :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Who knows. Predicting apple is a fools game... But I'll play along :)
>>
>>
>>
>> From what I understand "desktops" (including iMacs) account for 6% of
> apple's
>>
>> current revenue, and I would guess that almost all of that 6% is iMacs not
>
>>
>> MacPros.
>>
>>
>>
>> The MacPro is one of the only pieces of hardware that Apple makes that is
>>
>> indistinct from competitors hardware. A MacPro is almost identical to a
> typical
>>
>> HP/Dell/whoever workstation, but boxed in brushed aluminum. It's commodity
>
>>
>> hardware and Apple brings nothing special to the table.
>>
>>
>>
>> During the last keynote when they showed a picture of the Apple product
> lineup
>>
>> behind Steve Jobs, and he pronounced that Apple was "the largest portable
>>
>> computing company in the world" the macpro was conspicuously absent.
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems to me that Apple's commitment to Desktops is grudging at best.
> They
>>
>> took almost 2 years to update them during the last product cycle, and only
> then
>>
>> because it was becoming an embarrassment that the desktops were so far
> behind
>>
>> current tech.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone making a purchase of a MacPro recently has faced a serious decision
> in
>>
>> terms of value. I've been forced to buy MacPro's recently but only because
> of
>>
>> the need for fiber for storage, video i/o and other needs that require
> pcie
>>
>> cards.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, if video i/o and fast storage were possible via
> lightpeek/thunderbolt,
>>
>> I certainly would have bought an iMac. My guess is that the same is true
> for
>>
>> many (not all) of the current MacPro user base.
>>
>>
>>
>> It remains to be seen how widely lightpeek/thunderbolt will be adopted,
> and how
>>
>> well it works. I would hope that if you can push enough lanes of pcie over
> it
>>
>> you could even hang a pcie-expansion chassis like the cubix off it.
>>
>>
>>
>> If it's robust enough I think the need for desktops would largely
> disappear.
>>
>> Would there be lots of people who still need/want desktops and who would
> be
>>
>> pissed off? Of course, but this has never stopped apple from killing what
> it
>>
>> considered to be "legacy" products before (floppy disk, VGA displays,
> serial
>>
>> ports, etc. etc)
>>
>>
>>
>> Like I said, I have no idea, and this is of course just bs speculation,
> but I
>>
>> don't think it's as crazy as it seems on the surface.
>>
>>
>>
>> -N'
>>
>>
>>
>> p.s.
>>
>> I'm not saying I think this would be a good thing... I like my Dreamcolor
>>
>> display... and am not eager to swap it out for a glossy Apple display
> built into
>>
>> an iMac, I'm only suggesting that this seems like it could be possible.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 4:16 PM, George Loch wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I really don't see this. Can you explain the tea leaves your reading on
> this?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> -gl
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 1:42 PM, nat jencks <natjencks.lists@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>>> I think this is means that in apple's mind desktop's and the macpro
> series
>>
>> are dead.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I wouldn't be surprised if the current line of MacPro towers is the
> last
>>
>> that are produced by Apple.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> For a while now, Apple has been referring to themselves as a "mobile
>>
>> computing company".
>>
>>>> I think they will now be able to make the argument that you can do
> anything
>>
>> with an iMac with thunderbolt that you can do with a MacPro...
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> We will see!
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> -Nat
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Curtis Nichols wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> http://www.cfmediaview.com/lp1.aspx?v=6_312740404_18279_18
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Thunderbolt I/O. Article mentions Avid as a partner. Thunderbolt is on
> the
>>
>>>>> newest Apple MacPros.
>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Curtis Nichols
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>>>>> Señor Editor
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Symphony demo in Manhattan?

David,
Thanks for the offer. Let me see if the allure of a test drive is enough to
make my suits cross the river. I'll get back to you offlist.

Scott

On Feb 26, 2011, at 10:47 AM, David <k27usa@yahoo.com> wrote:

Scott - we have a PC based Symphony Nitris DX, if that would be of interest
to test drive, and we're across the river in Englewood Cliffs, NJ. If you're
interested, email me off list and I could 'try' to arrange it with all the
suits.

DB

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Scott Ham <scottham.list@...> wrote:
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> On Feb 26, 2011, at 7:13 AM, switthaus <switthaus@...> wrote:
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>
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> I would take a DS...oh you meant scotch or pizza? I thought he choice was
> between an expensive MC over a finishing system... ;-)
>
> I kid, I kid...
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> It's a good point, though. I started looking at the DS but I fear
> introducing a PC based Avid to our Mac based shop. I assume we would only
> run into the occasional font issue. Our network is Xserve based but we
could
> make that work.
>
>
> Are there any other gotchas I might not be thinking of? Besides the price
> difference?
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[Avid-L2] Re: Symphony demo in Manhattan?

 

Scott - we have a PC based Symphony Nitris DX, if that would be of interest to test drive, and we're across the river in Englewood Cliffs, NJ. If you're interested, email me off list and I could 'try' to arrange it with all the suits.

DB

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Scott Ham <scottham.list@...> wrote:
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> On Feb 26, 2011, at 7:13 AM, switthaus <switthaus@...> wrote:
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>
>
> I would take a DS...oh you meant scotch or pizza? I thought he choice was
> between an expensive MC over a finishing system... ;-)
>
> I kid, I kid...
>
> It's a good point, though. I started looking at the DS but I fear
> introducing a PC based Avid to our Mac based shop. I assume we would only
> run into the occasional font issue. Our network is Xserve based but we could
> make that work.
>
>
> Are there any other gotchas I might not be thinking of? Besides the price
> difference?
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Symphony demo in Manhattan?

 

On Feb 26, 2011, at 7:13 AM, switthaus <switthaus@mac.com> wrote:

I would take a DS...oh you meant scotch or pizza? I thought he choice was
between an expensive MC over a finishing system... ;-)

I kid, I kid...

It's a good point, though. I started looking at the DS but I fear
introducing a PC based Avid to our Mac based shop. I assume we would only
run into the occasional font issue. Our network is Xserve based but we could
make that work.

Are there any other gotchas I might not be thinking of? Besides the price
difference?

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[Avid-L2] Re: Symphony demo in Manhattan?

 

I would take a DS...oh you meant scotch or pizza? I thought he choice was between an expensive MC over a finishing system... ;-)

I kid, I kid...

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Scott Ham <scottham.list@...> wrote:
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> Hey all,
> Our shop is likely investing in a Mac Symphony in the next few weeks.
> Unfortunately, our reseller doesn't have access to a demo unit to let
> a few people from our office test drive.
>
> Any kind Mac Symphony owners in Manhattan willing to let a few middle
> aged editors come and bang on their machine for a few minutes? We have
> pizza or scotch. You choice.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
>
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Friday, February 25, 2011

Re: [Avid-L2] latest stable MC 5 release survey

 


If your current version is running stable on your project types, I'd strongly recommend you don't update using newer patches.

On 26 feb 2011, at 01:17, op wrote:

> where'd u find the download for that versio

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Re: [Avid-L2] Symphony demo in Manhattan?

 

I will take the scotch definitely. Single malt, 18 years or older, my
current choice is Macallan.

That's if you can come look in San Diego.

And I have a Mac Media Composer, not Symph.

And...oh never mind.

- Rich :-)

At 07:50 PM 2/25/2011 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Hey all,
>Our shop is likely investing in a Mac Symphony in the next few weeks.
>Unfortunately, our reseller doesn't have access to a demo unit to let
>a few people from our office test drive.
>
>Any kind Mac Symphony owners in Manhattan willing to let a few middle
>aged editors come and bang on their machine for a few minutes? We have
>pizza or scotch. You choice.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Scott

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[Avid-L2] Symphony demo in Manhattan?

 

Hey all,
Our shop is likely investing in a Mac Symphony in the next few weeks.
Unfortunately, our reseller doesn't have access to a demo unit to let
a few people from our office test drive.

Any kind Mac Symphony owners in Manhattan willing to let a few middle
aged editors come and bang on their machine for a few minutes? We have
pizza or scotch. You choice.

Thanks,

Scott

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Re: [Avid-L2] latest stable MC 5 release survey

 

Oops I mean MC 5.0.3.4. where'd u find the download for that version?
thanks,
owen

On Feb 25, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Roger Shufflebottom wrote:

> Not sure if you are right. I get the same thing on a clean partition, clean installation of Mac OS and a clean installation of Media Composer with no older or in fact any other apps installed other than those that come with the OS.
>
> On 25 Feb 2011, at 19:43, Greg Huson wrote:
>
>> That's that 'dissallowed' plug-in left over from an old version. Just search the archives, you'll find it.
>>
>> gh
>> ----------------------------------------------------
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>> 323 677 2096 F
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>> www.SecretHQ.com
>>
>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Roger Shufflebottom wrote:
>>
>>> Work system: Mac 5.0.3.7r. Pretty good except for Bus Errors sometimes when attempting to use Media Tool. On my home system (same version) it still hangs on initialising audio plugins though (must look into that).
>>>
>>> On 25 Feb 2011, at 18:04, op wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> What version of MC 5.x are you currently using with best results?
>>>> thanks,
>>>> owen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> With best wishes.
>>> Roger Shufflebottom
>>> +44 7974 543 660
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where'd u find the download for that version, I'm still running MC 5.0.3
thanks,
owen

On Feb 25, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Roger Shufflebottom wrote:

> Not sure if you are right. I get the same thing on a clean partition, clean installation of Mac OS and a clean installation of Media Composer with no older or in fact any other apps installed other than those that come with the OS.
>
> On 25 Feb 2011, at 19:43, Greg Huson wrote:
>
>> That's that 'dissallowed' plug-in left over from an old version. Just search the archives, you'll find it.
>>
>> gh
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> Greg Huson
>> Secret Headquarters, Inc
>> Post Production / Production
>> Culver City, CA
>> 323 677 2092
>> 323 677 2096 F
>> www.DigitalServiceStation.com
>> greg (at) SecretHQ.com
>> www.SecretHQ.com
>>
>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Roger Shufflebottom wrote:
>>
>>> Work system: Mac 5.0.3.7r. Pretty good except for Bus Errors sometimes when attempting to use Media Tool. On my home system (same version) it still hangs on initialising audio plugins though (must look into that).
>>>
>>> On 25 Feb 2011, at 18:04, op wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> What version of MC 5.x are you currently using with best results?
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[Avid-L2] Re: Strobing Makes The News!

 

Has Prof Harding ever explained how a static shot of some church organ pipes / venetian blinds can trigger epilepsy? Seen the FPA fail both.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Quinsee-Jover" <tony@...> wrote:
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> Agreed on all points.
>
> Tony
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> HD Heaven Media Limited (company no: 07061040) is registered in England and
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Pat Horridge
> Sent: 25 February 2011 18:50
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Strobing Makes The News!
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> But isn't pedestal re-adjusted at the consumers display? So contrast looks
> the same? I can't imagine folks watching sat up content.
> In which case whatever device is used to check PSE would have to compensate.
>
> But yes contrast reduction is a frequent fix.
> One other consideration and concern is that different Harding boxes can
> produce different results with some passing a failure from another box.
> Also some content can pass and then fail on the second run.
> Clearly the current method of measure and pass/fail is inadequate. (or
> deliberately vague to prevent others competing).
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