Saturday, April 13, 2013

Re: [Avid-L2] diff version of MC see Canon "timecode" differently

Hahaha ....

On Saturday, April 13, 2013, electropura212 wrote:

> The time code you are expecting is derived from the THM files. Avid does
> not read that, unfortunately. It uses file creation date/time.
>
> Many people use QT Change, a very inexpensive utility to embed the correct
> TC prior to ingest.
>
> On Saturday, April 13, 2013, Paul Dougherty wrote:
>
> **
>
>
> I'm working with a Canon directory (DCIM) and different version of MC are
> delivering different TC values when linking via AMA
>
> MC6 = all clips start at 00
> MC5 start at 08 with start times ascending (good) but values for clips
> overlap (bad)
>
> for laughs I tried FCP 7 and got 13 hour values.
> An Avid MC5.5 off-site also delivers 00 TC values when linking via AMA.
>
> What am I to believe? Tips and guidance very welcome.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Paul
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Re: Re: [Avid-L2] MC 7

 

Dave,
thanks for the info!
MC 7 looks good.
Owen

On Apr 12, 2013, at 6:10 PM, David Colantuoni <david.colantuoni@avid.com> wrote:

> You may have noticed that we are working on bringing the Media Composer playback engine in Pro Tools 11. This is the first major step to overhauling the player engine, once that's done we can begin improving instances of some of the way this functionality worked in the past. What we have not been saying is that we've begun overhauling everything in Media Composer for a few years now and users will start seeing improvements for performance as the overhaul gets rolled out. This started with 64 bit, the UI and open I/O. The Video engine in Pro Tools is the next step. There is a lot of under the hood investment going on for performance. The audio waveform improvements in MC 7 is another example.
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> Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 11:18 AM
> To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>>
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: MC 7
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> I am happy to hear that Dave.
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> Can you provide us with a concrete timeline for this problem to be addressed?
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> And, while we're on the topic, can you provide us with a concrete timeline for the Artist Color to work properly with MC/Symph color correction?
>
> Thank you for your response.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, David Colantuoni <david.colantuoni@...> wrote:
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>> We met with Martin at NAB yesterday to discuss this issue.
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>> Dave
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>> From: blafarm <blafarm@...<mailto:blafarm@...>>
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>> Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 10:38 AM
>> To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>>" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>>>
>> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: MC 7
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>> It is also worth [sadly] noting that Martin at Filmlight told me that as of v.6, Avid's AVX2 architecture does NOT allow the Baselight plugin to work in real time over HD-SDI. He indicated that there is latency and a reduced frame rate which he estimated at 5 fps. Apparently, this was NOT a problem pre-v.6 -- so maybe it broke in the transition to 64-bit.
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>> That means you can't interactively watch and CC shots in full-motion on an external QC monitor -- or on external scopes. The plugin apparently works fine on the computer monitor(s) -- but what good is that if they are not all critically calibrated for a 709 color space?
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>> The Baselight plugin apparently includes a limited facility to accomplish this (calibrating your computer monitor), but what good is that if you are working on a variety of monitors -- and how exactly are your clients supposed to watch and interactively participate in the CC process without sitting in your lap?
>>
>> Filmlight has apparently asked Avid many times to address this problem -- but there is absolutely no movement on Avid's part. Sounds intentional to me -- but then Avid still hasn't made their own Artist Color work with the MC/Symph CC tool.
>>
>> Martin recommended that users complain to Avid about this situation -- but we all know how that's going to end. We wouldn't be in this situation if Avid hadn't ignored our requests for over a decade.
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>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, "Terence Curren" <tcurren@> wrote:
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>>> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, "Rupert Watson" <rupert@> wrote:
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>>> <<Filmlight plugin for Windows is in beta; why would Avid compete against that? Now you can choose the Symphony plugin or the Filmlight plugin.>>
>>>
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>>> Let's see, with Symphony CC you stay in the timeline instead fo another interface? You can compare shots before and or from anywhere in the timeline? You can apply corrections via source side linking making for enormous speed gains?
>>>
>>> Filmlight is far more powerful on a shot at a time basis, but it isn't a decent workflow tool. Symphony CC is the best "workflow" color corrector available, but the toolset has stagnated over the years. Why can't we have both? Oh yeah, Avid doesn't care. :-(
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Re: [Avid-L2] diff version of MC see Canon "timecode" differently

 

Thanks, I think that is exactly it

On Apr 13, 2013, at 3:00 PM, electropura212 wrote:

> The time code you are expecting is derived from the THM files. Avid does
> not read that, unfortunately. It uses file creation date/time.
>
> Many people use QT Change, a very inexpensive utility to embed the correct
> TC prior to ingest.
>
> On Saturday, April 13, 2013, Paul Dougherty wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> I'm working with a Canon directory (DCIM) and different version of MC are
>> delivering different TC values when linking via AMA
>>
>> MC6 = all clips start at 00
>> MC5 start at 08 with start times ascending (good) but values for clips
>> overlap (bad)
>>
>> for laughs I tried FCP 7 and got 13 hour values.
>> An Avid MC5.5 off-site also delivers 00 TC values when linking via AMA.
>>
>> What am I to believe? Tips and guidance very welcome.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Paul
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Re: [Avid-L2] diff version of MC see Canon "timecode" differently

The time code you are expecting is derived from the THM files. Avid does
not read that, unfortunately. It uses file creation date/time.

Many people use QT Change, a very inexpensive utility to embed the correct
TC prior to ingest.

On Saturday, April 13, 2013, Paul Dougherty wrote:

> **
>
>
> I'm working with a Canon directory (DCIM) and different version of MC are
> delivering different TC values when linking via AMA
>
> MC6 = all clips start at 00
> MC5 start at 08 with start times ascending (good) but values for clips
> overlap (bad)
>
> for laughs I tried FCP 7 and got 13 hour values.
> An Avid MC5.5 off-site also delivers 00 TC values when linking via AMA.
>
> What am I to believe? Tips and guidance very welcome.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Paul
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] diff version of MC see Canon "timecode" differently

 

I meant to add this (℅ John Pale) from Creative Cow post that helps frame the issue...

You might want to look at getting QTChange from VideoToolshed to add time of day timecode to the movie files from the Canon THM files. Avid appears to derive timecode on 5D footage from the file creation time/date, which is different and can be a problem under certain conditions.

On Apr 13, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Paul Dougherty wrote:

> I'm working with a Canon directory (DCIM) and different version of MC are delivering different TC values when linking via AMA
>
> MC6 = all clips start at 00
> MC5 start at 08 with start times ascending (good) but values for clips overlap (bad)
>
> for laughs I tried FCP 7 and got 13 hour values.
> An Avid MC5.5 off-site also delivers 00 TC values when linking via AMA.
>
> What am I to believe? Tips and guidance very welcome.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Paul
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[Avid-L2] diff version of MC see Canon "timecode" differently

 

I'm working with a Canon directory (DCIM) and different version of MC are delivering different TC values when linking via AMA

MC6 = all clips start at 00
MC5 start at 08 with start times ascending (good) but values for clips overlap (bad)

for laughs I tried FCP 7 and got 13 hour values.
An Avid MC5.5 off-site also delivers 00 TC values when linking via AMA.

What am I to believe? Tips and guidance very welcome.

Thanks in advance,

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Re: [Avid-L2] No BCC in MC 6.5 upgrade

 

Okay. Avid FX needed to be manually opened with Stuffit Expander rather than the default utility it was going too. Sorenson just downloaded correctly after a few more tries. All very weird and time consuming but got going.

thanks
Lou
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On Apr 13, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Lou Wirth <loutv@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Well I am not running antivirus software. Maybe Marianna can chime in after she gets rested up from NAB. Both Avid FX and Sorenson files will not open on Mac OS 10.8.2. Files just turn into each other every time you double click them. Have downloaded half a dozen times now.
>
> Lou
> Lou Wirth Productions
> 500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
> Corte Madera, CA 94925
> www.louwirth.com
> 415-924-9411p
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> On Apr 13, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Ross Flint <rossf@onsight.co.uk> wrote:
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>> I ran into the cpgz issue once. It was a corrupt zip file in that case. I'd try downloading them again. If you've got any anti-virus software running it might help to temporarily disable it too.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 13 Apr 2013, at 17:08, Lou Wirth <loutv@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Never realized that since I went from 5.5 to 6.5 at the office. Now updating laptop. One more question. I remember going thru gyrations with 6.5 at the office to get some of the install files open. How do I open the Sorenson and the Avid FX files. I just get cpgz files which become _77019 2 files when I click on them and they go back and forth. I tried changing suffix to .dmg (on Mac here) but it did not open it.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Lou
>>> Lou Wirth Productions
>>> 500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
>>> Corte Madera, CA 94925
>>> www.louwirth.com
>>> 415-924-9411p
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2013, at 8:50 AM, "Dom Q. Silverio" <domqsilverio@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> BCC stopped being included with MC since version 6.0. Only Symphony and
>>>> Symphony upgrades will include it.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/13/2013 11:41 AM, Lou Wirth wrote:
>>>>> I just bought the upgrade to 6.5 for my laptop (currently MC 5) and notice there is no BCC in the upgrade. I thought BCC 8 came with 6.5?
>>>>>
>>>>> Lou
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Re: [Avid-L2] No BCC in MC 6.5 upgrade

Well I am not running antivirus software. Maybe Marianna can chime in after she gets rested up from NAB. Both Avid FX and Sorenson files will not open on Mac OS 10.8.2. Files just turn into each other every time you double click them. Have downloaded half a dozen times now.

Lou
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500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
Corte Madera, CA 94925
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415-924-9411p





On Apr 13, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Ross Flint <rossf@onsight.co.uk> wrote:

> I ran into the cpgz issue once. It was a corrupt zip file in that case. I'd try downloading them again. If you've got any anti-virus software running it might help to temporarily disable it too.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 13 Apr 2013, at 17:08, Lou Wirth <loutv@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > Never realized that since I went from 5.5 to 6.5 at the office. Now updating laptop. One more question. I remember going thru gyrations with 6.5 at the office to get some of the install files open. How do I open the Sorenson and the Avid FX files. I just get cpgz files which become _77019 2 files when I click on them and they go back and forth. I tried changing suffix to .dmg (on Mac here) but it did not open it.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Lou
> > Lou Wirth Productions
> > 500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
> > Corte Madera, CA 94925
> > www.louwirth.com
> > 415-924-9411p
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> >
> >
> >
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> > On Apr 13, 2013, at 8:50 AM, "Dom Q. Silverio" <domqsilverio@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> BCC stopped being included with MC since version 6.0. Only Symphony and
> >> Symphony upgrades will include it.
> >>
> >> On 4/13/2013 11:41 AM, Lou Wirth wrote:
> >>> I just bought the upgrade to 6.5 for my laptop (currently MC 5) and notice there is no BCC in the upgrade. I thought BCC 8 came with 6.5?
> >>>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Media Composer on a Mac Mini

While we haven't been hammering it TOO hard, we've been running it on a base MacMini for about 3 months, with no significant problems. It's primarily a producer roughcut station for us. We're still running a single monitor (working on changing that) and FW800 storage.

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Re: [Avid-L2] No BCC in MC 6.5 upgrade

 

I ran into the cpgz issue once. It was a corrupt zip file in that case. I'd try downloading them again. If you've got any anti-virus software running it might help to temporarily disable it too.

Sent from my iPhone

On 13 Apr 2013, at 17:08, Lou Wirth <loutv@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Never realized that since I went from 5.5 to 6.5 at the office. Now updating laptop. One more question. I remember going thru gyrations with 6.5 at the office to get some of the install files open. How do I open the Sorenson and the Avid FX files. I just get cpgz files which become _77019 2 files when I click on them and they go back and forth. I tried changing suffix to .dmg (on Mac here) but it did not open it.
>
> thanks
>
> Lou
> Lou Wirth Productions
> 500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
> Corte Madera, CA 94925
> www.louwirth.com
> 415-924-9411p
>
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> On Apr 13, 2013, at 8:50 AM, "Dom Q. Silverio" <domqsilverio@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> BCC stopped being included with MC since version 6.0. Only Symphony and
>> Symphony upgrades will include it.
>>
>> On 4/13/2013 11:41 AM, Lou Wirth wrote:
>>> I just bought the upgrade to 6.5 for my laptop (currently MC 5) and notice there is no BCC in the upgrade. I thought BCC 8 came with 6.5?
>>>
>>> Lou
>>> Lou Wirth Productions
>>> 500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
>>> Corte Madera, CA 94925
>>> www.louwirth.com
>>> 415-924-9411p
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Re: [Avid-L2] No BCC in MC 6.5 upgrade

Never realized that since I went from 5.5 to 6.5 at the office. Now updating laptop. One more question. I remember going thru gyrations with 6.5 at the office to get some of the install files open. How do I open the Sorenson and the Avid FX files. I just get cpgz files which become _77019 2 files when I click on them and they go back and forth. I tried changing suffix to .dmg (on Mac here) but it did not open it.

thanks

Lou
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On Apr 13, 2013, at 8:50 AM, "Dom Q. Silverio" <domqsilverio@gmail.com> wrote:

> BCC stopped being included with MC since version 6.0. Only Symphony and
> Symphony upgrades will include it.
>
> On 4/13/2013 11:41 AM, Lou Wirth wrote:
> > I just bought the upgrade to 6.5 for my laptop (currently MC 5) and notice there is no BCC in the upgrade. I thought BCC 8 came with 6.5?
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[Avid-L2] Media Composer on a Mac Mini

 

I know that the Mini is on the qualified list, does anyone have experience, reviews or warnings about running MC 6.5 on one?
Thanks
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Re: [Avid-L2] No BCC in MC 6.5 upgrade

 

BCC stopped being included with MC since version 6.0. Only Symphony and
Symphony upgrades will include it.

On 4/13/2013 11:41 AM, Lou Wirth wrote:
> I just bought the upgrade to 6.5 for my laptop (currently MC 5) and notice there is no BCC in the upgrade. I thought BCC 8 came with 6.5?
>
> Lou
> Lou Wirth Productions
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> Corte Madera, CA 94925
> www.louwirth.com
> 415-924-9411p
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[Avid-L2] No BCC in MC 6.5 upgrade

 

I just bought the upgrade to 6.5 for my laptop (currently MC 5) and notice there is no BCC in the upgrade. I thought BCC 8 came with 6.5?

Lou
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: MC 7

 

Hmm just realised its been about 12 years since I was on the avid-l ...

Who died while I was gone?

Best regards

Mike

On 13 Apr, 2013, at 9:46 PM, "oliverpetersvidy" <oliverpeters@oliverpeters.com> wrote:

> > Mike Parsons wrote:
> > If there was a Mac version of fusion I would
> > replace my smokes entirely right now.
> > Baselight still feels over complex compared to resolve.
>
> Damn Mike! You're a voice from the past. I see you over at the Autodesk forums. Have you been lurking here? I'm surprised you would move away from Smoke. If there were a Mac version of DS, would you have moved to DS?
>
> In any case, Baselight takes a similar approach (layers) to SpeedGrade and I think the color science is a bit more "filmic" than Resolve. Obviously Resolve has solid creds, so this is more of an impression on my part, based on the on-screen results I've seen. Resolve 10 should be quite nice. Not only some introductory editing tools (aimed at conforming and tweaks there), but also Open FX, so you can use plug-ins like Sapphire.
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> Overall a pretty wild time with no real, single, "perfect" solution, yet.
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> - Oliver
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