Friday, May 20, 2011

[Avid-L2] Re: Hopeful news for Symphony

 



<<Once things have gone to software and an I/O system that works equally well with MC or Symphony>>

Well, they haven't EOLed Nitris DX yet that I know of. Adding the AVC card added function. Is there room for another daughter card in there?

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 5:04 PM 0 comments

[Avid-L2] Re: Hopeful news for Symphony

 

I keep coming back to hardware in this conversation. When Symphony was introduced, it was hardware that differentiated it from Media Composer. Uncompressed video, SDI I/O, chips for color correction and then a chip for Ultimatte. With the Nitris Classic gear - also hardware.

Once things have gone to software and an I/O system that works equally well with MC or Symphony, you end up with a software package that includes all the features, but where some of them are disabled or enabled through software keys or other coding. Such artificial restrictions tend to irritate users.

So *how* Avid moves forward is as important as what it actually adds or changes.

- Oliver

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[Avid-L2] San Antonio, TX ACSR?

 



Crosspost to ACI-L & Avid-L2

Hello all,

I'm finishing up some work in San Antonio today and I'd love to be able to recommend an ACSR to help them with their new installations of MC 5.5. They also have 2 Avid DS systems.

If you can recommend one or two folks, I know they'd appreciate it.

Cheers,

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RE: [Avid-L2] Re: Hopeful news for Symphony - now DS

 

Actually, I don't believe it can. A huge underlying flaw with MC's
underlying architecture is that it doesn't understand alpha as part of every
clip - it doesn't carry RGBA (or YUVA or whatever) with every source.
That's a huge drawback for compositing.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Hopeful news for Symphony - now DS

Mr. Tony,
Fun reading. I can't guess who you might be referring to? ;-) But don't
you remember all of your concerns can be solved by putting a nest within a
nest on MCsoft.

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[Avid-L2] Re: Hopeful news for Symphony

 



--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "oliverpetersvidy" <oliverpeters@...> wrote:

<<What remains is a financial question. Will an enhanced Symphony sell more units than simply as upgrades to existing Symphony owners? Or should Avid think about augmenting the product line in different ways?>>

I think some of both.

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 9:22 AM 0 comments

[Avid-L2] Re: arsenol for various file formats?

 

I've had good luck with Clipwrap. I'm on MC 4.05 and needed something to deal with footage shot on the Panasonic AF100 shooting that AVCHD format. The import process took forever, but it made it possible to see the footage. I guess MC 5 takes care of the AVCHD issue.

-Chris

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@...> wrote:
>
> Well then Oliver I think you should just make all the manufacturers come up with one format so we can be done with all this nonsense. ;-)
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "oliverpetersvidy" <oliverpeters@> wrote:
> >
> > > johnrobmoore wrote:
> > > I'd also like to know if there is the "swiss army knife"
> > > of transcoding apps that I should have to be prepared.
> >
> > Again, it really depends on what you are trying to do. For example, H.264 Canon files to ProRes or DNxHD. Most of the QT-based stuff is easy. The oddball things are some of the consumer camcorder variations of AVC as TS files or something truly goofy, like the MPEG2 AVI files from a GVG Turbo.
> >
> > - Oliver
> >
>

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[Avid-L2] Re: Hopeful news for Symphony

 



--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "jeffsengpiehl" <jeffsengpiehl@...> wrote:

<<You're being facetious and fun but the reason is overhead in one program. You can't have one app do "everything" and do it well. Usethe Best tool for the job at hand.>>

Oh Jeff, now you are sounding old school. Don't you know we are all supposed to be masters of all trades now. :-/

Seriously though, Symphony doesn't have the best in class at any specific tool anymore, but the combination in one timeline helps to make up for it. If Avid can continue making i higher price point on Symphony, it can justify development to address those shortcomings. If it has to just have one package that it sells at $995. (to FCP users) then you aren't going to see much in the way of development going forward. That's simple business math. Avid doesn't have the huge user base of Apple to profit from.

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 8:46 AM 0 comments

[Avid-L2] Re: Hopeful news for Symphony

 

> Terence Curren wrote:
> Why have any differentiation?

I'm not arguing against differentiation, just that it has to have substance. As Ken pointed out, Color and FCP and Motion serve completely different functions. And after all, that may not be the case any longer in a month. But with MC and Symphony, the lines are completely blurred, which is why we are all having so much trouble with the concept.

Take Smoke for example. I dare say there's little new market for Smoke-Linux. In fact, Autodesk is clearly trying to move Flame-Smoke-Lustre towards a single product (Flame Premium), albeit as a bundle. That's because the Smoke (only) market has likely moved downscale for them.

What remains is a financial question. Will an enhanced Symphony sell more units than simply as upgrades to existing Symphony owners? Or should Avid think about augmenting the product line in different ways?

- Oliver

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Re: [Avid-L2] Smart Tools tryiing to be open minded?

Oh, and what I meant was that segments become selected as a result of
me hitting T (not marked -- the clip the position marker is on is
marked as it should be). But maybe I'm imagining things. I probably
do, even to me it sounds to weird to be true.

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 17:19, Christian Foerster <public@braintrash.de> wrote:
> Then it's probably me accidentally selecting segments before hitting T
> without noticing it? The funny thing is, I can't really tell right now
> because most of the stuff I do is muscle-memory by now. I'll actually
> have to deliberately watch what I'm doing.
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:05, Roger Shufflebottom
> <rogershuff@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I think that 'T' (Mark Clip) honours any selected segments instead of adjacent
>> cuts on active tracks. Not sure if it always did this.
>>
>> With Best Wishes,
>>
>> Roger Shufflebottom
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Christian Foerster <public@braintrash.de>
>> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Fri, 20 May, 2011 9:06:19
>> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Smart Tools tryiing to be open minded?
>>
>> I for one try to welcome our Smart overlords.
>>
>> I have SmartTools enabled (except for the red trim one) and most of the
>> time, I can get things done more quickly (I often move clips around in the
>> timeline anyway).
>>
>> Some quirks (in NC 9.03, not sure if they're still there):
>>
>> 1. Oon Adrenaline systems, the cursor-change is extremely laggy. A giant
>> PITA if you want to trim but are really moving a segment.
>>
>> 2. when I try to mark a segment (T), often either the same or completely
>> different segments become selected (in segment mode). The in- and Out-Marks
>> are at the correct place, but it is still incredibly annoying.
>>
>> Other than that, I've actually started to like the Smart Tools quite a bit.
>>
>> Bye,
>> Christian
>>
>> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:43, Roger Shufflebottom
>> <rogershuff@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > I think you are a little late on the discussion on this. I think that they
>> > are
>> > in there to help newcomers to the system who have expectations as to what
>> > can be
>> > done in the Timeline. I think the best way is to activate the ones you want
>> > then
>> > toggle them on and off with the KB. Taking the audio KF toggle out of the
>> > smart
>> > tools in 5.5 has helped.
>> >
>> > With Best Wishes,
>> >
>> > Roger Shufflebottom
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net>
>> > To: Avid L2 <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Wed, 18 May, 2011 1:03:26
>> > Subject: [Avid-L2] Smart Tools tryiing to be open minded?
>> >
>> >
>> > Admittedly I haven't hammered on smart tools much. Turning them off seems
>> > to be
>> > just fine for me. My impression is probably skewed by most of my work being
>> >
>> > online and finishing but I don't really see smart tools giving me anything
>> > I
>> > didn't already have just with a slightly different activation method.
>> > Curious
>> > what gems I might be missing out on. What have people found in the way of
>> > new
>> > techniques enabled by smart tools. Not trying to be negative here I want to
>> >
>> > increase my efficiency.
>> >
>> > John Moore
>> >
>> > Barking Trout Productions
>> >
>> > Studio City, CA
>> >
>> > bigfish@pacbell.net
>> >
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>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 8:23 AM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] Smart Tools tryiing to be open minded?

Then it's probably me accidentally selecting segments before hitting T
without noticing it? The funny thing is, I can't really tell right now
because most of the stuff I do is muscle-memory by now. I'll actually
have to deliberately watch what I'm doing.

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:05, Roger Shufflebottom
<rogershuff@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> I think that 'T' (Mark Clip) honours any selected segments instead of adjacent
> cuts on active tracks. Not sure if it always did this.
>
> With Best Wishes,
>
> Roger Shufflebottom
>
> ________________________________
> From: Christian Foerster <public@braintrash.de>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 20 May, 2011 9:06:19
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Smart Tools tryiing to be open minded?
>
> I for one try to welcome our Smart overlords.
>
> I have SmartTools enabled (except for the red trim one) and most of the
> time, I can get things done more quickly (I often move clips around in the
> timeline anyway).
>
> Some quirks (in NC 9.03, not sure if they're still there):
>
> 1. Oon Adrenaline systems, the cursor-change is extremely laggy. A giant
> PITA if you want to trim but are really moving a segment.
>
> 2. when I try to mark a segment (T), often either the same or completely
> different segments become selected (in segment mode). The in- and Out-Marks
> are at the correct place, but it is still incredibly annoying.
>
> Other than that, I've actually started to like the Smart Tools quite a bit.
>
> Bye,
> Christian
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:43, Roger Shufflebottom
> <rogershuff@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I think you are a little late on the discussion on this. I think that they
> > are
> > in there to help newcomers to the system who have expectations as to what
> > can be
> > done in the Timeline. I think the best way is to activate the ones you want
> > then
> > toggle them on and off with the KB. Taking the audio KF toggle out of the
> > smart
> > tools in 5.5 has helped.
> >
> > With Best Wishes,
> >
> > Roger Shufflebottom
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net>
> > To: Avid L2 <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wed, 18 May, 2011 1:03:26
> > Subject: [Avid-L2] Smart Tools tryiing to be open minded?
> >
> >
> > Admittedly I haven't hammered on smart tools much. Turning them off seems
> > to be
> > just fine for me. My impression is probably skewed by most of my work being
> >
> > online and finishing but I don't really see smart tools giving me anything
> > I
> > didn't already have just with a slightly different activation method.
> > Curious
> > what gems I might be missing out on. What have people found in the way of
> > new
> > techniques enabled by smart tools. Not trying to be negative here I want to
> >
> > increase my efficiency.
> >
> > John Moore
> >
> > Barking Trout Productions
> >
> > Studio City, CA
> >
> > bigfish@pacbell.net
> >
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> >
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[Avid-L2] Autosequence effect clips.

 

Can it be done?
not the regualar way on my MC 5.0x windows...
But perhaps there is a workaround?

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[Avid-L2] Re: Hopeful news for Symphony

 

The rudimentary difference is that MC and Symphony are both equally capable editors. (Color, Motion, FCP) (Premiere,AE,PS) are completely different apps. Symphony, however was attractive to an On-line facility who could afford the external hardware to support an On-line shop. You could have a full color corrector on MC but if you are grading interlaced footage on your progressive flat screen, you will be missing out on a lot of bad motion artifacts. You probably won't have a proper scope, well maybe a software scope, you probably won't have an HDCam SR deck so you wont be able to output your film to tape. The additional gear needed gets expensive. Dedicated developement teams are more likely if a product carries the cost, and of course, the BUZZ (hello Avid Marketing and DS) to make clients realize that a "high end" product is available and the correct way to properly finish films. Symphony is a great "Total Conform" box for many finishing situations. For heavier lifting, compositing, better graphics, DS is DA BOMB, but it certainly could be DA SHIZ NIT (thats better) if marketed and developed correctly. I'm starting to lose track of my original thought, because I have a client that wants to shoot 40 hours of EPIC 5K for a quick turnaround 2 minute piece.....but that's what I'm thinking anyway.

KEN

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Terence Curren" <tcurren@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "oliverpetersvidy" <oliverpeters@> wrote:
>
>
> << So again, why Symphony? I'm in the camp that says the product software should be the same and Avid's hardware should differentiate MC versus Symphony.>>
>
> Why Color, Motion, etc as separate products? Shouldn't they all be in one application then? How about premiere and After Effects? Shouldn't they just roll them into one? And Discrete should get rid of separate products. Smoke on Mac should have everything the rest of the line has. Why have any differentiation?
>

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[Avid-L2] Re: Hopeful news for Symphony

 

You're being facetious and fun but the reason is overhead in one program. You can't have one app do "everything" and do it well. Usethe Best tool for the job at hand.. you don't have to fire up the air compressor, run the air lines and get the couplers out when all you need for this job is a simple framing hammer.

JDS

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Terence Curren" <tcurren@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "oliverpetersvidy" <oliverpeters@> wrote:
>
>
> << So again, why Symphony? I'm in the camp that says the product software should be the same and Avid's hardware should differentiate MC versus Symphony.>>
>
> Why Color, Motion, etc as separate products? Shouldn't they all be in one application then? How about premiere and After Effects? Shouldn't they just roll them into one? And Discrete should get rid of separate products. Smoke on Mac should have everything the rest of the line has. Why have any differentiation?
>

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[Avid-L2] Re: Hopeful news for Symphony

 



--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "oliverpetersvidy" <oliverpeters@...> wrote:

<< So again, why Symphony? I'm in the camp that says the product software should be the same and Avid's hardware should differentiate MC versus Symphony.>>

Why Color, Motion, etc as separate products? Shouldn't they all be in one application then? How about premiere and After Effects? Shouldn't they just roll them into one? And Discrete should get rid of separate products. Smoke on Mac should have everything the rest of the line has. Why have any differentiation?

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