Thursday, July 25, 2019

Re: [Avid-L2] Avid 4096_2160 to 3840_2160 File Export?

 

We are still trying to clarify the new spec.  We got a notice that IMFs need to be 3840_2160.  Then when I sent the typical ProResHQ QC file at 4096_2160 it was noted it was not at the new spec.

To me if we shoot 4096_2160 then that's what I want QC'd so they look at every pixel.  If we sent a scale to fit ProResHQ at 3840_2160 I would think the scaling could mask or impair pixel issues.

We are also trying to determine if it's just the IMF that has to be scaled to UHD.  I could see that making sense in their workflows.  My brain says that the archive masters should be full 4096_2160 but we are waiting for confirmation.

There is also a discussion about color management in non fiction programming.  Not sure where that will head.  It's all I can do to get a note about what LUT they used in the field so the thought of my world going ACEs or whatever seems problematic at best.  I hear ACEs has holes but what doesn't. 

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---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <jay_mahavier@...> wrote :

I have not heard this.  But we are in the middle of production right now on our first Netflix project.  My initial reaction is that we will shoot and finish as originally planned and do any scaling after grading.  But damn, that would have totally had an impact on our choice of camera and our LTO backup workflow.

Jay


On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:34 PM, John Moore bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Netflix has changed their delivery requirements to want everything to be UHD 3840_2160.  All my previous and current project(s) are 4096_2160.  I have found if I just switch the project to UHD 3840_2160 the image is scaled to fit with a slight letterbox top and bottom.  This is how Netflix wants things shot "wide" in their terminology.  I did a test dpx export and it does in fact export 3840_2160 dpx frames with letter box.

My question is if there is a more elegant approach to achieving this through some sort of mask settings.  I seem to recall some discussion about a way to make mask margins or some parameter like that effect file exports.  Video Output settings only effect the output from the DNxIO.  I s there a way while staying in the 4096_2160 project to export a dpx that is UHD with letterbox.?  The main reason I ask is that when I toggle to UHD all the renders of my safe color limit go offline according to the timeline.  Perhaps I am mis-remembering a feature that does not exist?  Can anyone clarify if I am remembering something that doesn't exist?

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@...



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Re: [Avid-L2] Avid 4096_2160 to 3840_2160 File Export?

 

I have not heard this.  But we are in the middle of production right now on our first Netflix project.  My initial reaction is that we will shoot and finish as originally planned and do any scaling after grading.  But damn, that would have totally had an impact on our choice of camera and our LTO backup workflow.


Jay


On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:34 PM, John Moore bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Netflix has changed their delivery requirements to want everything to be UHD 3840_2160.  All my previous and current project(s) are 4096_2160.  I have found if I just switch the project to UHD 3840_2160 the image is scaled to fit with a slight letterbox top and bottom.  This is how Netflix wants things shot "wide" in their terminology.  I did a test dpx export and it does in fact export 3840_2160 dpx frames with letter box.

My question is if there is a more elegant approach to achieving this through some sort of mask settings.  I seem to recall some discussion about a way to make mask margins or some parameter like that effect file exports.  Video Output settings only effect the output from the DNxIO.  I s there a way while staying in the 4096_2160 project to export a dpx that is UHD with letterbox.?  The main reason I ask is that when I toggle to UHD all the renders of my safe color limit go offline according to the timeline.  Perhaps I am mis-remembering a feature that does not exist?  Can anyone clarify if I am remembering something that doesn't exist?

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net



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[Avid-L2] Re: Avid 4096_2160 to 3840_2160 File Export?

 

I have always wondered why when we shoot more pixels they letterbox it for the viewer.  In essence by shooting more we ultimately give the viewer less thanks to the letterbox.  I kept requesting we just shoot UHD to avoid the issue but it was always met with resistance.  I have no idea why.

It would make more sense to me if they just scaled the IMF and left the archive masters at 4096_2160 thus preserving all the original pixels.  I would think the vertically scaling to fit does more harm than the horizontal scale but I'm just guessing.  It sure seems like a crop would be cleaner in my mind as well.


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It's a shame Netflix want to handle it that way. Scaling the width down from 4096 to 3840 reduces quality.
Cropping 256 pixels is cleaner Al and better.
Bad on Netflix.

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It's a shame Netflix want to handle it that way. Scaling the width down from 4096 to 3840 reduces quality.
Cropping 256 pixels is cleaner Al and better.
Bad on Netflix.

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Wednesday, July 24, 2019

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Avid 4096_2160 to 3840_2160 File Export?

 

That's a good idea.  Although at that point it would probably be easier to just do a video mixdown and use that in the UHD project.  I will keep that in mind.  The other approach would be to DPX out of Avid and go into Resolve and re-export with the proper scale settings. 

I do like your approach keeping it all in Avid.


---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <agustingoya@...> wrote :

You can export 4096x2160 DPX and then link to those export files in an UHD project with reformat set to center-crop and export again in 3840x2160.

That way you won't lose your paints.
HTH.

Agustin

On Wed, 24 Jul 2019, 22:49 bigfish@... [Avid-L2], <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

An additional factor I just realized is all my paint outs shift when I go to UHD mode.  This is a big problem so I will have to find another way to scale the final DPX delivery.  Any suggestions welcome.



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <bigfish@...> wrote :

Netflix has changed their delivery requirements to want everything to be UHD 3840_2160.  All my previous and current project(s) are 4096_2160.  I have found if I just switch the project to UHD 3840_2160 the image is scaled to fit with a slight letterbox top and bottom.  This is how Netflix wants things shot "wide" in their terminology.  I did a test dpx export and it does in fact export 3840_2160 dpx frames with letter box.

My question is if there is a more elegant approach to achieving this through some sort of mask settings.  I seem to recall some discussion about a way to make mask margins or some parameter like that effect file exports.  Video Output settings only effect the output from the DNxIO.  Is there a way while staying in the 4096_2160 project to export a dpx that is UHD with letterbox.?  The main reason I ask is that when I toggle to UHD all the renders of my safe color limit go offline according to the timeline.  Perhaps I am mis-remembering a feature that does not exist?  Can anyone clarify if I am remembering something that doesn't exist?

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Avid 4096_2160 to 3840_2160 File Export?

 

You can export 4096x2160 DPX and then link to those export files in an UHD project with reformat set to center-crop and export again in 3840x2160.

That way you won't lose your paints.
HTH.

Agustin

On Wed, 24 Jul 2019, 22:49 bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2], <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

An additional factor I just realized is all my paint outs shift when I go to UHD mode.  This is a big problem so I will have to find another way to scale the final DPX delivery.  Any suggestions welcome.



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <bigfish@...> wrote :

Netflix has changed their delivery requirements to want everything to be UHD 3840_2160.  All my previous and current project(s) are 4096_2160.  I have found if I just switch the project to UHD 3840_2160 the image is scaled to fit with a slight letterbox top and bottom.  This is how Netflix wants things shot "wide" in their terminology.  I did a test dpx export and it does in fact export 3840_2160 dpx frames with letter box.

My question is if there is a more elegant approach to achieving this through some sort of mask settings.  I seem to recall some discussion about a way to make mask margins or some parameter like that effect file exports.  Video Output settings only effect the output from the DNxIO.  Is there a way while staying in the 4096_2160 project to export a dpx that is UHD with letterbox.?  The main reason I ask is that when I toggle to UHD all the renders of my safe color limit go offline according to the timeline.  Perhaps I am mis-remembering a feature that does not exist?  Can anyone clarify if I am remembering something that doesn't exist?

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@...

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