Re: [Avid-L2] Graphics question

Thanks, Marcel

I don't think this is a switcher effect.  Like a Powerpoint presentation, the imagery is controlled by the attorney from a laptop.  He/She can draw freehand circles around items with a mouse and highlight text.  When the mouse button is released from a selection, the enlarged excerpt instantly appears in a text box.

 

 

From: Avid-L2@groups.io <Avid-L2@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marcel B.
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 2:17 AM
To: Avid-L2@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Graphics question

 

As far as I remember this kind of thing is done with a live switcher.

On 09/04/2021 18:01, Jon Wilkman wrote:

This may be OT, but I’ve been curious about an effect I see during the presentation of documents in the Chauvin trial. A lawyer selects a section of text from a document and the excerpt immediately appears in an enlarged box above the original.  Does anyone know how this done and with what software?

 

 

Re: [Avid-L2] Where is my dream GPU???

When I switched to PC last summer, I sold my Sapphire Radeon Pulse 580 separately from my Mac Pro 5.1.  I put it up on eBay for 150 and it sold instantly.  It's definitely in demand.  Although the Vega is technically within spec, under real world conditions, it still may be a strain.  I had a more powerful nVidia card at one time that used to cause occasional shutdowns, even though it also was supposedly within spec.  It's possible the age of the power supply in a 10 year old Mac Pro came into play?

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 9:19 AM Pierre <ph@cineaste.org> wrote:

This whole mining thing is a shame as this GPU was pretty affordable. It's not a power house like your Titan but it started at a good price. Beware as all RX580 don't all have the same form factor and some are covering the Pcie slot above the GPU. The Sapphire is a tight fit but you can still have a card in pcie slot 2 - smaller the better  

you can look at the Vega 56 as an alternative, it's more powerful than the RX580 and still within the power specs of the Mac Pro. Avoid the 64 as it's too hungry.

Now the Radeon VII is an even better option but it's now under the miner's radar so prices are sky rocketing. 

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Re: [Avid-L2] Where is my dream GPU???

This whole mining thing is a shame as this GPU was pretty affordable. It's not a power house like your Titan but it started at a good price. Beware as all RX580 don't all have the same form factor and some are covering the Pcie slot above the GPU. The Sapphire is a tight fit but you can still have a card in pcie slot 2 - smaller the better  

you can look at the Vega 56 as an alternative, it's more powerful than the RX580 and still within the power specs of the Mac Pro. Avoid the 64 as it's too hungry.

Now the Radeon VII is an even better option but it's now under the miner's radar so prices are sky rocketing. 

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Re: [Avid-L2] Graphics question

As far as I remember this kind of thing is done with a live switcher.

On 09/04/2021 18:01, Jon Wilkman wrote:

This may be OT, but I've been curious about an effect I see during the presentation of documents in the Chauvin trial. A lawyer selects a section of text from a document and the excerpt immediately appears in an enlarged box above the original.  Does anyone know how this done and with what software?

 

[Avid-L2] Where is my dream GPU???

My mid 2012 MacPro may need a GPU lift so I can get to an OS that will run Resolve 17.  I have dabbled around looking and there seems to be a

sapphire pulse radeon rx 580 8gb

that people like for the MacPro 5.1.

I guess there is a rush on GPUs due to bit mining and whatever else in the crypto world.  I thought miners were using super streamline setups to do the mining.  Why is there such a rush on these higher end GPUs?  I thought the more sophisticated GPUs use to much power to make the mining stuff viable.  I'm just spit balling now as it's really looking like it's time to jump back to a PC and use my existing TitanX 12 GB GPUs in a PC tower.

Next to Fonts all these version updates requiring later OS's that aren't compatible with nVidia GPUs are coming in as a really close second to things I hate.  ;-)

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net

[Avid-L2] Graphics question

This may be OT, but I’ve been curious about an effect I see during the presentation of documents in the Chauvin trial. A lawyer selects a section of text from a document and the excerpt immediately appears in an enlarged box above the original.  Does anyone know how this done and with what software?

 

Re: [Avid-L2] Way OT: searching for 'packages' but not folder/directories or files.

Try searching each drive by putting a dot in the search field of a
finder window and then sort by kind.

Marcel


On 08/04/2021 17:26, Jay Mahavier via groups.io wrote:
> This is super extra OT, but hoping that I can find some help here that doesn't go to far unix guru (because I'm not that smart).
>
> I'm on a Mac, OS 10.13, and I want to search through some old backup drives and find all the 'packages' but just the packages and not things that identify as regular folder/directories or regular files.
>
> Packages being things like Applications, .photolibraries, installer packages, etc. They are technically a directory, like a folder, but present at a file. So if you do a command line list (ls -l) they have a d upfront. And at the finder level if you right click on them you get an option to show package contents.
>
> So I'm looking for a way to find anything that is in this weird category, but I don't want to find 'normal' directories and files.
>
> Does anyone have any tips, tricks, or tools to help me do this?
>
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Jay
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Re: [Avid-L2] Way OT: searching for 'packages' but not folder/directories or files.

I would like to find everything that presents as a 'package' regardless of it's file extension.  'Packages' can have any file extension that you can make up.  If I knew all the extensions I was looking for it would be easy to find them.  But I really do want to scan through many TB of backups and locate everything that presents as a 'package' and not get returns that are normal folders or files.

Thank you,

Jay

On Apr 8, 2021, at 5:27 PM, Mark Spano <cutandcover@gmail.com> wrote:

Any time I need to do advanced file finding (or almost any file finding) on Mac, I use Find Any File.

https://apps.tempel.org/FindAnyFile/

You can perform a search as root (just add your administrator user password), and add multiple criteria to match. If you know the extensions, you can add them individually and it will find all.

Quickly: 

Find: Name / contains any of / .pkg .mpkg .app .photolibrary

hold option + click Find All

Be careful about .app since it will match on anything .apple which includes prefs for all Apple files (like com.apple.Finder etc.)

Once the results are shown (FAF is pretty fast), you can sort them by Kind which includes things like Application, Archive, etc.

I would try this first, since it's free, pretty easy, and might get you what you need with only a slight amount of fuss.

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 5:27 PM Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

This is super extra OT, but hoping that I can find some help here that doesn't go to far unix guru (because I'm not that smart).

I'm on a Mac, OS 10.13, and I want to search through some old backup drives and find all the 'packages' but just the packages and not things that identify as regular folder/directories or regular files.

Packages being things like Applications, .photolibraries, installer packages, etc.  They are technically a directory, like a folder, but present at a file.  So if you do a command line list (ls -l) they have a d upfront.  And at the finder level if you right click on them you get an option to show package contents.

So I'm looking for a way to find anything that is in this weird category, but I don't want to find 'normal' directories and files.

Does anyone have any tips, tricks, or tools to help me do this?


Thank you very much.

Jay

Re: [Avid-L2] Way OT: searching for 'packages' but not folder/directories or files.

Any time I need to do advanced file finding (or almost any file finding) on Mac, I use Find Any File.

https://apps.tempel.org/FindAnyFile/

You can perform a search as root (just add your administrator user password), and add multiple criteria to match. If you know the extensions, you can add them individually and it will find all.

Quickly: 

Find: Name / contains any of / .pkg .mpkg .app .photolibrary

hold option + click Find All

Be careful about .app since it will match on anything .apple which includes prefs for all Apple files (like com.apple.Finder etc.)

Once the results are shown (FAF is pretty fast), you can sort them by Kind which includes things like Application, Archive, etc.

I would try this first, since it's free, pretty easy, and might get you what you need with only a slight amount of fuss.

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 5:27 PM Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

This is super extra OT, but hoping that I can find some help here that doesn't go to far unix guru (because I'm not that smart).

I'm on a Mac, OS 10.13, and I want to search through some old backup drives and find all the 'packages' but just the packages and not things that identify as regular folder/directories or regular files.

Packages being things like Applications, .photolibraries, installer packages, etc.  They are technically a directory, like a folder, but present at a file.  So if you do a command line list (ls -l) they have a d upfront.  And at the finder level if you right click on them you get an option to show package contents.

So I'm looking for a way to find anything that is in this weird category, but I don't want to find 'normal' directories and files.

Does anyone have any tips, tricks, or tools to help me do this?


Thank you very much.

Jay

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Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

All -

So some progress...

On the HD side, there is a new Follow Input checkbox on the AJA Control Room Format tab that overrides any changes you make. Once you click back in to Avid, it will revert to the format of the incoming signal. You can watch it change, wacky. The fix is to disable the AJA hardware in Avid, de-select the box in the AJA software and then re-enable. Basically the AJA card was providing Avid with an SD signal when it was set to HD. Unchecked the box and all is well...for up conversion. (Thanks to Dawn in AJA tech support!)

The challenge on the SD side is still unresolved (although the customer is fine with just upconverting). When the AJA Kona LHi + BOB is presented with a signal from the Betacam deck it is black and white in the Avid interface. The underlying file is still in color when you play it back out via SDI or export it. Just within Avid. I tried Component and Composite via the Kona, as well as a BMD Analog to SDI converter then connected to the Kona and all resulted in black and white playback within Avid. Tried both flavors of Component in the AJA Control Room. Also tried an alternative reference generator.

I'm going to look at some sample files on another Avid system tomorrow.

- Dave

dave@spraker.tv
(971) 267-7661

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From: Avid-L2@groups.io <Avid-L2@groups.io> On Behalf Of JBeck
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 3:19 PM
To: Avid-L2@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

Good luck with this. I'll add one quick note from Ted Churchill's 1980 "Steadicam Operator's Manual of Style." In the chapter on maintenance, Ted wrote, "...the problem is always in a cable." Forty years later, Ted's advice still proves to be correct in a lot of cases. Definitely wiggle all those component video cables and make sure they're making good contact. --J.B.

Dave Spraker wrote:
>
> I will be back on site tomorrow with a sync generator. The have one
> but it's in a VERY old studio. I hope that's what it is.
>
> - Dave
>
> dave@spraker.tv <mailto:dave@spraker.tv>
>
> (971) 267-7661
>
> *From:* Avid-L2@groups.io <Avid-L2@groups.io> *On Behalf Of *John
> Moore
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 7, 2021 2:14 PM
> *To:* Avid-L2@groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues
>
> I missed the part in ( )s that the underlying file is in color. I
> thought it meant the card output was in color but the capture in Avid
> was black and white. Now that my memory has been jogged I recall
> component capture etc... often required a sync reference on several
> systems. Did adding sync fix the monitoring problem?
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 08:04 PM, Mark Spano wrote:
>
> Why do people keep asking this question? Isn't it clear the OP has
> a Beta deck, not a Digi Beta deck?
>
> I think the problem is also not being addressed at all. Color
> captures show up monochrome inside MC? Nothing about component,
> composite, or whatever could explain that. What codec is this
> being captured to? Try another codec, or try another version of
> MC. This sounds like a software bug or a codec issue.
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 7:16 PM Jo's Mailinglists
> <lists@filter-media.net <mailto:lists@filter-media.net>> wrote:
>
> All of those tbh.
>
> That doesn't make me: a rich person. (I'm not)
>
> Anyway: why digitize a BetaSP off an BetaSP-deck? Older and
> current digiBeta should be able to read and output via SDI.
>
> Why fiddling around with component off a Beta deck?
>
> Just asking. No offense.
>
> On 7. Apr 2021, at 00:28, Dave Spraker <avid@spraker.tv
> <mailto:avid@spraker.tv>> wrote:
>
> If it's what you own…
>
> - Dave
>
> dave@spraker.tv <mailto:dave@spraker.tv>
>
> (971) 267-7661
>
> *From:* Avid-L2@groups.io
> <mailto:Avid-L2@groups.io> <Avid-L2@groups.io
> <mailto:Avid-L2@groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Jo's Mailinglists
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:28 PM
> *To:* Integration <Avid-L2@groups.io
> <mailto:Avid-L2@groups.io>>
> *Subject:* Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues
>
> Folks!
>
> Why would you utilize a Beta-Deck for digitizing?
>
> Take the easy way: go digi
>
> - my 2¢
>
> On 6. Apr 2021, at 23:50, John Moore
> <bigfish@pacbell.net <mailto:bigfish@pacbell.net>> wrote:
>
> " AJA also passes the component out via SDI to a
> monitor." Does this mean you are feeding component
> into the LHi card? The fact that it's black and white
> really sounds like the card is only seeing the Y of
> the Y, R-Y, B-Y component signals.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 01:23 PM, Dave Spraker wrote:
>
> John –
>
> What I was trying to say is that the SDI input
> into the AJA works correctly. AJA also passes the
> component out via SDI to a monitor.
>
> - Dave
>
> dave@spraker.tv <mailto:dave@spraker.tv>
>
> (971) 267-7661
>
> *From:* Avid-L2@groups.io
> <mailto:Avid-L2@groups.io> <Avid-L2@groups.io
> <mailto:Avid-L2@groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *John Moore
> *Sent:* Monday, April 5, 2021 10:19 PM
> *To:* Avid-L2@groups.io <mailto:Avid-L2@groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi
> issues
>
> How is the Betacam deck connected? There is no SDI
> on a betacam. Are you feeding component into the
> LHi?. If it's component it sounds like the card
> is only getting the Y of the Y, R-Y, B-Y signals.
> There is also betacam component vs. regular
> component if memory serves me. That had more to
> do with levels IIRC. Perhaps there are settings in
> the aja control panel or the cabling is
> incorrect. I would think you could feed the LHi
> straight composite by setting the control panel.
> I haven't been on an aja box/card in a while. If
> I had to guess I'd say the card was being fed
> composite but the control panel was set up for
> component of some sort.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 03:10 PM, Dave Spraker wrote:
>
> Any AJA users out there?
>
> Customer is running a recent version of Media
> Composer 2018.14 on a new Dell Precision 7920
> tower with AJA Kona LHi.
>
> Works fine with SDI.
>
> When connected to a Betacam deck it does the
> following:
>
> - SD 525i ingest displays in Avid as black and
> white (although the underlying file is in
> color and exports correctly)
>
> - 1080i upconvert was the workaround before,
> now it displays a mishmash of video garbage
>
> SDI feeds of both to a monitor (from the Kona
> BOB) look fine.
>
> I am bringing in a reference generator and a
> standalone component to SDI converter to
> troubleshoot but curious if anyone has
> seen/solved before.
>
> - Dave
>
> dave@spraker.tv <mailto:dave@spraker.tv>
>
> (971) 267-7661
>
>










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Re: [Avid-L2] Way OT: searching for 'packages' but not folder/directories or files.

.dmg will only return files that have .dmg as the file name extension.  It will not return .app, .pkg, .mpkg, .photolibrary, etc.

Jay

On Apr 8, 2021, at 4:49 PM, C. Hess <cfh3media@gmail.com> wrote:

Would .dmg work?

Mac used to have a different extension for these,

but that has been quite awhile.

On Apr 8, 2021, at 4:26 PM, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

This is super extra OT, but hoping that I can find some help here that doesn't go to far unix guru (because I'm not that smart).

I'm on a Mac, OS 10.13, and I want to search through some old backup drives and find all the 'packages' but just the packages and not things that identify as regular folder/directories or regular files.

Packages being things like Applications, .photolibraries, installer packages, etc.  They are technically a directory, like a folder, but present at a file.  So if you do a command line list (ls -l) they have a d upfront.  And at the finder level if you right click on them you get an option to show package contents.

So I'm looking for a way to find anything that is in this weird category, but I don't want to find 'normal' directories and files.

Does anyone have any tips, tricks, or tools to help me do this?


Thank you very much.

Jay

Chip Hess
CFH3 Media
312-806-3840

Re: [Avid-L2] Way OT: searching for 'packages' but not folder/directories or files.

Would .dmg work?

Mac used to have a different extension for these,

but that has been quite awhile.

On Apr 8, 2021, at 4:26 PM, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

This is super extra OT, but hoping that I can find some help here that doesn't go to far unix guru (because I'm not that smart).

I'm on a Mac, OS 10.13, and I want to search through some old backup drives and find all the 'packages' but just the packages and not things that identify as regular folder/directories or regular files.

Packages being things like Applications, .photolibraries, installer packages, etc.  They are technically a directory, like a folder, but present at a file.  So if you do a command line list (ls -l) they have a d upfront.  And at the finder level if you right click on them you get an option to show package contents.

So I'm looking for a way to find anything that is in this weird category, but I don't want to find 'normal' directories and files.

Does anyone have any tips, tricks, or tools to help me do this?


Thank you very much.

Jay

Chip Hess
CFH3 Media
312-806-3840

[Avid-L2] Way OT: searching for 'packages' but not folder/directories or files.

This is super extra OT, but hoping that I can find some help here that doesn't go to far unix guru (because I'm not that smart).

I'm on a Mac, OS 10.13, and I want to search through some old backup drives and find all the 'packages' but just the packages and not things that identify as regular folder/directories or regular files.

Packages being things like Applications, .photolibraries, installer packages, etc. They are technically a directory, like a folder, but present at a file. So if you do a command line list (ls -l) they have a d upfront. And at the finder level if you right click on them you get an option to show package contents.

So I'm looking for a way to find anything that is in this weird category, but I don't want to find 'normal' directories and files.

Does anyone have any tips, tricks, or tools to help me do this?


Thank you very much.

Jay



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Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

Good luck with this.  I'll add one quick note from Ted Churchill's 1980
"Steadicam Operator's Manual of Style."  In the chapter on maintenance,
Ted wrote, "...the problem is always in a cable." Forty years later,
Ted's advice still proves to be correct in a lot of cases.  Definitely
wiggle all those component video cables and make sure they're making
good contact.  --J.B.

Dave Spraker wrote:
>
> I will be back on site tomorrow with a sync generator.  The have one
> but it's in a VERY old studio.  I hope that's what it is.
>
> - Dave
>
> dave@spraker.tv <mailto:dave@spraker.tv>
>
> (971) 267-7661
>
> *From:* Avid-L2@groups.io <Avid-L2@groups.io> *On Behalf Of *John Moore
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 7, 2021 2:14 PM
> *To:* Avid-L2@groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues
>
> I missed the part in ( )s that the underlying file is in color.  I
> thought it meant the card output was in color but the capture in Avid
> was black and white.  Now that my memory has been jogged I recall
> component capture etc... often required a sync reference on several
> systems.  Did adding sync fix the monitoring problem?
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 08:04 PM, Mark Spano wrote:
>
> Why do people keep asking this question? Isn't it clear the OP has
> a Beta deck, not a Digi Beta deck?
>
> I think the problem is also not being addressed at all. Color
> captures show up monochrome inside MC? Nothing about component,
> composite, or whatever could explain that. What codec is this
> being captured to? Try another codec, or try another version of
> MC. This sounds like a software bug or a codec issue.
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 7:16 PM Jo's Mailinglists
> <lists@filter-media.net <mailto:lists@filter-media.net>> wrote:
>
> All of those tbh.
>
> That doesn't make me: a rich person. (I'm not)
>
> Anyway: why digitize a BetaSP off an BetaSP-deck? Older and
> current digiBeta should be able to read and output via SDI.
>
> Why fiddling around with component off a Beta deck?
>
> Just asking. No offense.
>
> On 7. Apr 2021, at 00:28, Dave Spraker <avid@spraker.tv
> <mailto:avid@spraker.tv>> wrote:
>
> If it's what you own…
>
> - Dave
>
> dave@spraker.tv <mailto:dave@spraker.tv>
>
> (971) 267-7661
>
> *From:* Avid-L2@groups.io
> <mailto:Avid-L2@groups.io> <Avid-L2@groups.io
> <mailto:Avid-L2@groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Jo's Mailinglists
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:28 PM
> *To:* Integration <Avid-L2@groups.io
> <mailto:Avid-L2@groups.io>>
> *Subject:* Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues
>
> Folks!
>
> Why would you utilize a Beta-Deck for digitizing?
>
> Take the easy way: go digi
>
>  - my 2¢
>
> On 6. Apr 2021, at 23:50, John Moore
> <bigfish@pacbell.net <mailto:bigfish@pacbell.net>> wrote:
>
> " AJA also passes the component out via SDI to a
> monitor."  Does this mean you are feeding component
> into the LHi card?  The fact that it's black and white
> really sounds like the card is only seeing the Y of
> the Y, R-Y, B-Y component signals.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 01:23 PM, Dave Spraker wrote:
>
> John –
>
> What I was trying to say is that the SDI input
> into the AJA works correctly.  AJA also passes the
> component out via SDI to a monitor.
>
> - Dave
>
> dave@spraker.tv <mailto:dave@spraker.tv>
>
> (971) 267-7661
>
> *From:* Avid-L2@groups.io
> <mailto:Avid-L2@groups.io> <Avid-L2@groups.io
> <mailto:Avid-L2@groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *John Moore
> *Sent:* Monday, April 5, 2021 10:19 PM
> *To:* Avid-L2@groups.io <mailto:Avid-L2@groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues
>
> How is the Betacam deck connected? There is no SDI
> on a betacam.  Are you feeding component into the
> LHi?.  If it's component it sounds like the card
> is only getting the Y of the Y, R-Y, B-Y signals. 
> There is also betacam component vs. regular
> component if memory serves me.  That had more to
> do with levels IIRC. Perhaps there are settings in
> the aja control panel or the cabling is
> incorrect.  I would think you could feed the LHi
> straight composite by setting the control panel. 
> I haven't been on an aja box/card in a while.  If
> I had to guess I'd say the card was being fed
> composite but the control panel was set up for
> component of some sort.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 03:10 PM, Dave Spraker wrote:
>
> Any AJA users out there?
>
> Customer is running a recent version of Media
> Composer 2018.14 on a new Dell Precision 7920
> tower with AJA Kona LHi.
>
> Works fine with SDI.
>
> When connected to a Betacam deck it does the
> following:
>
> - SD 525i ingest displays in Avid as black and
> white (although the underlying file is in
> color and exports correctly)
>
> - 1080i upconvert was the workaround before,
> now it displays a mishmash of video garbage
>
> SDI feeds of both to a monitor (from the Kona
> BOB) look fine.
>
> I am bringing in a reference generator and a
> standalone component to SDI converter to
> troubleshoot but curious if anyone has
> seen/solved before.
>
> - Dave
>
> dave@spraker.tv <mailto:dave@spraker.tv>
>
> (971) 267-7661
>
>




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Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

I will be back on site tomorrow with a sync generator.  The have one but it's in a VERY old studio.  I hope that's what it is.

 

- Dave

 

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From: Avid-L2@groups.io <Avid-L2@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Moore
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 2:14 PM
To: Avid-L2@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

 

I missed the part in ( )s that the underlying file is in color.  I thought it meant the card output was in color but the capture in Avid was black and white.  Now that my memory has been jogged I recall component capture etc... often required a sync reference on several systems.  Did adding sync fix the monitoring problem?


On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 08:04 PM, Mark Spano wrote:

Why do people keep asking this question? Isn't it clear the OP has a Beta deck, not a Digi Beta deck?

 

I think the problem is also not being addressed at all. Color captures show up monochrome inside MC? Nothing about component, composite, or whatever could explain that. What codec is this being captured to? Try another codec, or try another version of MC. This sounds like a software bug or a codec issue.

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 7:16 PM Jo's Mailinglists <lists@filter-media.net> wrote:

All of those tbh.

 

That doesn't make me: a rich person. (I'm not)

 

Anyway: why digitize a BetaSP off an BetaSP-deck? Older and current digiBeta should be able to read and output via SDI.

 

Why fiddling around with component off a Beta deck?

 

Just asking. No offense.

 

 

 

On 7. Apr 2021, at 00:28, Dave Spraker <avid@spraker.tv> wrote:

 

If it's what you own…

 

- Dave

 

dave@spraker.tv

(971) 267-7661

 

From: Avid-L2@groups.io <Avid-L2@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jo's Mailinglists
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:28 PM
To: Integration <Avid-L2@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

 

Folks!

 

Why would you utilize a Beta-Deck for digitizing?

 

 

Take the easy way: go digi

 - my 2¢

 

 

 

 

 

On 6. Apr 2021, at 23:50, John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

 

" AJA also passes the component out via SDI to a monitor."  Does this mean you are feeding component into the LHi card?  The fact that it's black and white really sounds like the card is only seeing the Y of the Y, R-Y, B-Y component signals.


On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 01:23 PM, Dave Spraker wrote:

John –

 

What I was trying to say is that the SDI input into the AJA works correctly.  AJA also passes the component out via SDI to a monitor.

 

- Dave

 

dave@spraker.tv

(971) 267-7661

 

From: Avid-L2@groups.io <Avid-L2@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Moore
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 10:19 PM
To: Avid-L2@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

 

How is the Betacam deck connected?  There is no SDI on a betacam.  Are you feeding component into the LHi?.  If it's component it sounds like the card is only getting the Y of the Y, R-Y, B-Y signals.  There is also betacam component vs. regular component if memory serves me.  That had more to do with levels IIRC.  Perhaps there are settings in the aja control panel or the cabling is incorrect.  I would think you could feed the LHi straight composite by setting the control panel.  I haven't been on an aja box/card in a while.  If I had to guess I'd say the card was being fed composite but the control panel was set up for component of some sort.


On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 03:10 PM, Dave Spraker wrote:

Any AJA users out there?

 

Customer is running a recent  version of Media Composer 2018.14 on a new Dell Precision 7920 tower with AJA Kona LHi.

 

Works fine with SDI.

 

When connected to a Betacam deck it does the following:

- SD 525i ingest displays in Avid as black and white (although the underlying file is in color and exports correctly)

- 1080i upconvert was the workaround before, now it displays a mishmash of video garbage

 

SDI feeds of both to a monitor (from the Kona BOB) look fine.

 

I am bringing in a reference generator and a standalone component to SDI converter to troubleshoot but curious if anyone has seen/solved before.

 

- Dave

 

dave@spraker.tv

(971) 267-7661

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

I missed the part in ( )s that the underlying file is in color.  I thought it meant the card output was in color but the capture in Avid was black and white.  Now that my memory has been jogged I recall component capture etc... often required a sync reference on several systems.  Did adding sync fix the monitoring problem?


On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 08:04 PM, Mark Spano wrote:

Why do people keep asking this question? Isn't it clear the OP has a Beta deck, not a Digi Beta deck?

 

I think the problem is also not being addressed at all. Color captures show up monochrome inside MC? Nothing about component, composite, or whatever could explain that. What codec is this being captured to? Try another codec, or try another version of MC. This sounds like a software bug or a codec issue.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 7:16 PM Jo's Mailinglists <lists@filter-media.net> wrote:

All of those tbh.

 

That doesn't make me: a rich person. (I'm not)

 

Anyway: why digitize a BetaSP off an BetaSP-deck? Older and current digiBeta should be able to read and output via SDI.

 

Why fiddling around with component off a Beta deck?

 

Just asking. No offense.

 

On 7. Apr 2021, at 00:28, Dave Spraker <avid@spraker.tv> wrote:

If it's what you own…

 

- Dave

 

dave@spraker.tv

(971) 267-7661

 

From: Avid-L2@groups.io <Avid-L2@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jo's Mailinglists
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:28 PM
To: Integration <Avid-L2@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

 

Folks!

 

Why would you utilize a Beta-Deck for digitizing?

 

 

Take the easy way: go digi

 - my 2¢

 

 

 

 

On 6. Apr 2021, at 23:50, John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

 

" AJA also passes the component out via SDI to a monitor."  Does this mean you are feeding component into the LHi card?  The fact that it's black and white really sounds like the card is only seeing the Y of the Y, R-Y, B-Y component signals.


On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 01:23 PM, Dave Spraker wrote:

John –

 

What I was trying to say is that the SDI input into the AJA works correctly.  AJA also passes the component out via SDI to a monitor.

 

- Dave

 

dave@spraker.tv

(971) 267-7661

 

From: Avid-L2@groups.io <Avid-L2@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Moore
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 10:19 PM
To: Avid-L2@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

 

How is the Betacam deck connected?  There is no SDI on a betacam.  Are you feeding component into the LHi?.  If it's component it sounds like the card is only getting the Y of the Y, R-Y, B-Y signals.  There is also betacam component vs. regular component if memory serves me.  That had more to do with levels IIRC.  Perhaps there are settings in the aja control panel or the cabling is incorrect.  I would think you could feed the LHi straight composite by setting the control panel.  I haven't been on an aja box/card in a while.  If I had to guess I'd say the card was being fed composite but the control panel was set up for component of some sort.


On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 03:10 PM, Dave Spraker wrote:

Any AJA users out there?

 

Customer is running a recent  version of Media Composer 2018.14 on a new Dell Precision 7920 tower with AJA Kona LHi.

 

Works fine with SDI.

 

When connected to a Betacam deck it does the following:

- SD 525i ingest displays in Avid as black and white (although the underlying file is in color and exports correctly)

- 1080i upconvert was the workaround before, now it displays a mishmash of video garbage

 

SDI feeds of both to a monitor (from the Kona BOB) look fine.

 

I am bringing in a reference generator and a standalone component to SDI converter to troubleshoot but curious if anyone has seen/solved before.

 

- Dave

 

dave@spraker.tv

(971) 267-7661

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

I do remember Betacam studio decks needing a Sync source to time them with everything else on the switcher routing lines. Now the decks do have a Internal/External ref selector switch. I just remember the Beta TBC's not locking up properly without a ref. In live trucks we would have to repeatedly power up and down the BVW 40's to make them lockup properly the BVW's not so much.  Most of my experience was with the BVW series.   

 

Yeah I go by Tom but the email header says Joe for some reason.

 

TMcD

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

 

Joe, or is it Tom, your memory serves you well, in order for Avid to record YUV correctly and view it back as its recorded, it needs BB or reference. I had to recall all this about 2 years ago as I assisted with a large archive digitization project so it's all still fresh in my mind.

 

@Jo's Mailinglists it was not your email I was commenting on, it was Marks

 

Mike Drew

 

 

 

From: <Avid-L2@groups.io> on behalf of Joe McDonnell <ltr54@sbcglobal.net>
Reply to: <Avid-L2@groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, 7 April 2021 at 13:29
To: <Avid-L2@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

 

We are dealing with analog signals as I best recall.

 

It's been a while but does MC need a reference for the deck and the breakout box? Like a BB Generator for reference? Not all Beta decks had full TBC's as I recall. The BVW's did but not the cheapie low end decks as i can best remember. I also remember needing to feed BVW-70's and 75's  and most decks BB to make the TBC settle down for playback.

 

I had a Kona LHi card when I worked for Edison. It was a FCP7 suite but it was only used as an output card for my monitor.

 

If you are getting B&W then you are getting only the Y channel and not getting R-Y/B-Y. Or something is out of sync with something else. Are all components set for 525i 29.97 and not 525p by mistake. 

 

I'm dusting off some serious memory bins to recall all this stuff.

 

Tom McD

 

On Apr 6, 2021, at 10:13 PM, Mike Drew <edit6969@gmail.com> wrote:



Sorry, I have plenty of people call digital betacam "beta" in context. This is a professional forum and we are not in his headspace. This needs to be defined properly in this context. I was confused as to which format/deck he was referring to.  If the incoming vision is appearing B/W on the live monitor in AMC but recording OK then there is a reference issue. The OP said that was their next step, and I would agree.

Mike

 

From: <Avid-L2@groups.io> on behalf of Mark Spano <cutandcover@gmail.com>
Reply to: <Avid-L2@groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, 7 April 2021 at 13:04
To: <Avid-L2@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

 

Why do people keep asking this question? Isn't it clear the OP has a Beta deck, not a Digi Beta deck?

 

I think the problem is also not being addressed at all. Color captures show up monochrome inside MC? Nothing about component, composite, or whatever could explain that. What codec is this being captured to? Try another codec, or try another version of MC. This sounds like a software bug or a codec issue.

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 7:16 PM Jo's Mailinglists <lists@filter-media.net> wrote:

All of those tbh.

 

That doesn't make me: a rich person. (I'm not)

 

Anyway: why digitize a BetaSP off an BetaSP-deck? Older and current digiBeta should be able to read and output via SDI.

 

Why fiddling around with component off a Beta deck?

 

Just asking. No offense.

 

 

On 7. Apr 2021, at 00:28, Dave Spraker <avid@spraker.tv> wrote:

 

If it's what you own…

 

- Dave

 

dave@spraker.tv

(971) 267-7661

 

From: Avid-L2@groups.io <Avid-L2@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jo's Mailinglists
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:28 PM
To: Integration <Avid-L2@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

 

Folks!

 

Why would you utilize a Beta-Deck for digitizing?

 

 

Take the easy way: go digi

 - my 2¢

 

 

 

 

 

On 6. Apr 2021, at 23:50, John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

 

" AJA also passes the component out via SDI to a monitor."  Does this mean you are feeding component into the LHi card?  The fact that it's black and white really sounds like the card is only seeing the Y of the Y, R-Y, B-Y component signals.


On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 01:23 PM, Dave Spraker wrote:

John –

 

What I was trying to say is that the SDI input into the AJA works correctly.  AJA also passes the component out via SDI to a monitor.

 

- Dave

 

dave@spraker.tv

(971) 267-7661

 

From: Avid-L2@groups.io <Avid-L2@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Moore
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 10:19 PM
To: Avid-L2@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

 

How is the Betacam deck connected?  There is no SDI on a betacam.  Are you feeding component into the LHi?.  If it's component it sounds like the card is only getting the Y of the Y, R-Y, B-Y signals.  There is also betacam component vs. regular component if memory serves me.  That had more to do with levels IIRC.  Perhaps there are settings in the aja control panel or the cabling is incorrect.  I would think you could feed the LHi straight composite by setting the control panel.  I haven't been on an aja box/card in a while.  If I had to guess I'd say the card was being fed composite but the control panel was set up for component of some sort.


On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 03:10 PM, Dave Spraker wrote:

Any AJA users out there?

 

Customer is running a recent  version of Media Composer 2018.14 on a new Dell Precision 7920 tower with AJA Kona LHi.

 

Works fine with SDI.

 

When connected to a Betacam deck it does the following:

- SD 525i ingest displays in Avid as black and white (although the underlying file is in color and exports correctly)

- 1080i upconvert was the workaround before, now it displays a mishmash of video garbage

 

SDI feeds of both to a monitor (from the Kona BOB) look fine.

 

I am bringing in a reference generator and a standalone component to SDI converter to troubleshoot but curious if anyone has seen/solved before.

 

- Dave

 

dave@spraker.tv

(971) 267-7661

 

 

 

 

Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

We are dealing with analog signals as I best recall.

It's been a while but does MC need a reference for the deck and the breakout box? Like a BB Generator for reference? Not all Beta decks had full TBC's as I recall. The BVW's did but not the cheapie low end decks as i can best remember. I also remember needing to feed BVW-70's and 75's  and most decks BB to make the TBC settle down for playback.

I had a Kona LHi card when I worked for Edison. It was a FCP7 suite but it was only used as an output card for my monitor.

If you are getting B&W then you are getting only the Y channel and not getting R-Y/B-Y. Or something is out of sync with something else. Are all components set for 525i 29.97 and not 525p by mistake. 

I'm dusting off some serious memory bins to recall all this stuff.

Tom McD

On Apr 6, 2021, at 10:13 PM, Mike Drew <edit6969@gmail.com> wrote:



Sorry, I have plenty of people call digital betacam "beta" in context. This is a professional forum and we are not in his headspace. This needs to be defined properly in this context. I was confused as to which format/deck he was referring to.  If the incoming vision is appearing B/W on the live monitor in AMC but recording OK then there is a reference issue. The OP said that was their next step, and I would agree.

Mike

 

From: <Avid-L2@groups.io> on behalf of Mark Spano <cutandcover@gmail.com>
Reply to: <Avid-L2@groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, 7 April 2021 at 13:04
To: <Avid-L2@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

 

Why do people keep asking this question? Isn't it clear the OP has a Beta deck, not a Digi Beta deck?

 

I think the problem is also not being addressed at all. Color captures show up monochrome inside MC? Nothing about component, composite, or whatever could explain that. What codec is this being captured to? Try another codec, or try another version of MC. This sounds like a software bug or a codec issue.

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 7:16 PM Jo's Mailinglists <lists@filter-media.net> wrote:

All of those tbh.

 

That doesn't make me: a rich person. (I'm not)

 

Anyway: why digitize a BetaSP off an BetaSP-deck? Older and current digiBeta should be able to read and output via SDI.

 

Why fiddling around with component off a Beta deck?

 

Just asking. No offense.

 

 

On 7. Apr 2021, at 00:28, Dave Spraker <avid@spraker.tv> wrote:

 

If it's what you own…

 

- Dave

 

dave@spraker.tv

(971) 267-7661

 

From: Avid-L2@groups.io <Avid-L2@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jo's Mailinglists
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:28 PM
To: Integration <Avid-L2@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

 

Folks!

 

Why would you utilize a Beta-Deck for digitizing?

 

 

Take the easy way: go digi

 - my 2¢

 

 

 

 

 

On 6. Apr 2021, at 23:50, John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

 

" AJA also passes the component out via SDI to a monitor."  Does this mean you are feeding component into the LHi card?  The fact that it's black and white really sounds like the card is only seeing the Y of the Y, R-Y, B-Y component signals.


On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 01:23 PM, Dave Spraker wrote:

John –

 

What I was trying to say is that the SDI input into the AJA works correctly.  AJA also passes the component out via SDI to a monitor.

 

- Dave

 

dave@spraker.tv

(971) 267-7661

 

From: Avid-L2@groups.io <Avid-L2@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Moore
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 10:19 PM
To: Avid-L2@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Betacam to Kona LHi issues

 

How is the Betacam deck connected?  There is no SDI on a betacam.  Are you feeding component into the LHi?.  If it's component it sounds like the card is only getting the Y of the Y, R-Y, B-Y signals.  There is also betacam component vs. regular component if memory serves me.  That had more to do with levels IIRC.  Perhaps there are settings in the aja control panel or the cabling is incorrect.  I would think you could feed the LHi straight composite by setting the control panel.  I haven't been on an aja box/card in a while.  If I had to guess I'd say the card was being fed composite but the control panel was set up for component of some sort.


On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 03:10 PM, Dave Spraker wrote:

Any AJA users out there?

 

Customer is running a recent  version of Media Composer 2018.14 on a new Dell Precision 7920 tower with AJA Kona LHi.

 

Works fine with SDI.

 

When connected to a Betacam deck it does the following:

- SD 525i ingest displays in Avid as black and white (although the underlying file is in color and exports correctly)

- 1080i upconvert was the workaround before, now it displays a mishmash of video garbage

 

SDI feeds of both to a monitor (from the Kona BOB) look fine.

 

I am bringing in a reference generator and a standalone component to SDI converter to troubleshoot but curious if anyone has seen/solved before.

 

- Dave

 

dave@spraker.tv

(971) 267-7661