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"Ping?" Not sure I know what the Ping is for. I have yet to get the Dolby Vision software CMU to function on my system but I haven't had a chance to try Dom's last suggestion of a 2084 timeline etc... I'm crunching on getting IMFs out the door. I hope to tinker more next week when the cloud lifts.
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On Nov 7, 2019, at 7:15 PM, bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
So far no luck. I've got a Resolve project I'm using to make IMFs. I bring a Rec 709 IMF back into the project to check it. This is an SDR Rec 709 IMF. I make a timeline using the IMF clip, not creating timeline using CPL. I then set an output lut to gamma 2.4 to 2084 1000 Nits. Not the output on my scope and the LG 2016 OLED fed by HDMI 1.4 cable shows a darker signal. The Rec 709 peaks are at approx 50 percent on the scope, like I would expect them to be.I go to project settings color managment tab and enable Dolby Vision for 1000 Nits, setting target in the settings to 1000 nits. I now see the Dolby Vision Tab in the color page. I also in project settings IIRC Master Tab enable Dolby Vision Metadata over HDMI. I don't see any way to turn off the trim mode in the color page Dolby Tab. There is a pulldown menu with various target displays but there is not choice to turn off or use no target display. I also haven't found the dual monitor mode. Have I missed a step and need to turn on something like 3D stereo mode?So I have an output that seems correct to feed a monitor that would interpret the levels as HDR but the LG is still running in a Rec 709 mode as far as I can tell. Do I have to do the analyze stuff to make this work. The manual says don't use a tunneling monitor for grading but I'd at least like to see a reasonable representation of HDR. Could my 1.4 HDMI cable not carry Dolby Metadata. I thought as long as it had the ethernet capability it was good enough for short HDMI 2.0. What I'm expecting is to see the dolby vision logo pop up briefly when I swttich into this software tunneling mode.I don't thinks I'm clear when you say disable dual output mode, it read like I shouldn't confuse it with Dual Link mode. Where is this dual output mode I should disable? Is this somehow tied to being in a faux 3d mode to get and HDR and and SDR output simultaneously, which is what we did in class but we didn't get deep into the set up.I'm just an SDR guy thrust into an HDR new world. Help me MR. WIZARDQQQ
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Ok there is a lot here.
On Nov 7, 2019, at 7:15 PM, bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
So far no luck. I've got a Resolve project I'm using to make IMFs. I bring a Rec 709 IMF back into the project to check it. This is an SDR Rec 709 IMF. I make a timeline using the IMF clip, not creating timeline using CPL. I then set an output lut to gamma 2.4 to 2084 1000 Nits. Not the output on my scope and the LG 2016 OLED fed by HDMI 1.4 cable shows a darker signal. The Rec 709 peaks are at approx 50 percent on the scope, like I would expect them to be.I go to project settings color managment tab and enable Dolby Vision for 1000 Nits, setting target in the settings to 1000 nits. I now see the Dolby Vision Tab in the color page. I also in project settings IIRC Master Tab enable Dolby Vision Metadata over HDMI. I don't see any way to turn off the trim mode in the color page Dolby Tab. There is a pulldown menu with various target displays but there is not choice to turn off or use no target display. I also haven't found the dual monitor mode. Have I missed a step and need to turn on something like 3D stereo mode?So I have an output that seems correct to feed a monitor that would interpret the levels as HDR but the LG is still running in a Rec 709 mode as far as I can tell. Do I have to do the analyze stuff to make this work. The manual says don't use a tunneling monitor for grading but I'd at least like to see a reasonable representation of HDR. Could my 1.4 HDMI cable not carry Dolby Metadata. I thought as long as it had the ethernet capability it was good enough for short HDMI 2.0. What I'm expecting is to see the dolby vision logo pop up briefly when I swttich into this software tunneling mode.I don't thinks I'm clear when you say disable dual output mode, it read like I shouldn't confuse it with Dual Link mode. Where is this dual output mode I should disable? Is this somehow tied to being in a faux 3d mode to get and HDR and and SDR output simultaneously, which is what we did in class but we didn't get deep into the set up.I'm just an SDR guy thrust into an HDR new world. Help me MR. WIZARDQQQ
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In Resolve 15.x color page, you can disable it in the Dolby trim interface tab (target monitor) or disable dual output mode (not the same thing as dual SDI mode) in your project settings.
On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:12 AM, bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I had an HDR class that set up Resolve with a fake 3D Stereo mode using one eye for HDR and one for SDR. We didn't get deep into the setup. I believe there is a section in the manual related to this. Where do I disable the secondary trim output? I looked in the video desktop software but didn't see anything related to secondary outputs. AJA control panel use to and probably still does have those choices but that use to be for down or cross converts.
---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <gowanuscanalstinks@....> wrote :We have Sony OLEDs 4K TV. Not sure if they have Dolby Vision support.But yes it should trigger the DV activation.Just disable the secondary / trim output. You can still view the main HDR (1000 nits, D65, 2020) output.Rant:Avid needs to implement a DV workflow ASAP. Every HDR we have done so far is DV based.DQSOn Nov 5, 2019, at 8:01 PM, bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Perhaps you have found my snag. I was probably in UHD or DCI 4K mode. Can you confirm that if I get it set correctly I should see the Dolby Vision logo pop up briefly when I go into the tunnel mode? That's what was happening at the seminar I was at. I think they were using Samsung monitors. They had an external CMU and feed the main with HDMI. They weren't using Resolve but I believe it was Cortex software but it might have been a different manufacturer.
---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <gowanuscanalstinks@...> wrote :You have to enable HDMI metadata in Resolve in order to tunnel.The Dolby software algorithm handles both the HDMI and SDI output. The HDMI should be outputting the main out. If you need to see the Trim version it would need to be the second SDI output of your IO (check Dolby Vision best practices document for the proper settings).Note that you can't output main and trim in 4K, only up to HD. You will need the Decklink 8K Pro for 4K dual Dolby output.DQSOn Nov 4, 2019, at 9:42 PM, John Moore bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:I asked about monitoring DolbyVision without a CMU before but I think it might have been on the Editing List. Here's what the Resolve manual says:
Dolby VisionTM
DaVinci Resolve 15 includes a GPU-accelerated software version of the Dolby Vision CMU (Content Mapping Unit) for doing Dolby Vision grading and finishing workflows right in either the free version of DaVinci Resolve or in DaVinci Resolve Studio. This is enabled and set up in the Color Management panel of the Project Settings with the Enable Dolby Vision checkbox.
Dolby Vision settings in the Color Management panel of the Project Settings
There are five controls available:
‚ Enable Dolby Vision: Turns Dolby Vision on and off. When on, this checkbox enables the Dolby Vision palette in the Color page.
‚ Dolby Vision version pop-up: Lets you choose which version of the Dolby Vision algorithms to use. Options at the time of this writing include 2.9 and 4.0.
‚ Master Display pop-up: Lets you choose the nit level and gamut of the master HDR display you're grading on.
‚ Use External CMU: A checkbox lets you choose whether to use the built-in software CMU or a hardware CMU that you have connected to your DaVinci Resolve workstation.
So what does this mean with my Resolve 15.4 and my Avid DNxIO feeding HDMI to my LG 2016 OLED. It seems when the monitor is fed Dolby Vision the Dolby Vision Icon should pop up indicating the monitor is now working in Dolby Vision. I've never tried this before so I've never seen the LOGO on my LG. I did see it pop up at a seminar on a display that was demonstrating Tunneling from IIRC a Cortex box using a CMU.What is the difference between Tunneling and this supposed built in GPU accelerated software version in Resolve. I can put an output LUT to map to 2084 etc... and I see the levels on the scope drop from my 709 timeline like I would expect them to but I don't see my LG pop into Dolby Vision Mode.I also found this which may be at the core of the issue. Perhaps my Avid branded doesn't work the same as a BM UltraStudio?
‚ HDR Mastering is for: (Only available in Studio version) If you have a DeckLink 4K Extreme 12G or an UltraStudio 4K Extreme video interface, then DaVinci Resolve 12.5 and above can output the metadata necessary to correctly display HDR video signals to display devices using HDMI 2.0a when you turn on the "Enable HDR metadata over HDMI" checkbox in the Master Project Settings.
The Enable HDR metadata over HDMI option in the Master Project Settings lets you output HDR via HDMI 2.0a
When you do so, a setting in the Color Management panel of the Project Settings, "HDR mastering is for X" lets you specify the output, in nits, to be inserted as metadata into the HDMI stream being output, so that the display you're connecting to correctly interprets it. The output you specify should match what your display is expecting.
Anybody played around with this?John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@...
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I had an HDR class that set up Resolve with a fake 3D Stereo mode using one eye for HDR and one for SDR. We didn't get deep into the setup. I believe there is a section in the manual related to this. Where do I disable the secondary trim output? I looked in the video desktop software but didn't see anything related to secondary outputs. AJA control panel use to and probably still does have those choices but that use to be for down or cross converts.
On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:01 PM, bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Perhaps you have found my snag. I was probably in UHD or DCI 4K mode. Can you confirm that if I get it set correctly I should see the Dolby Vision logo pop up briefly when I go into the tunnel mode? That's what was happening at the seminar I was at. I think they were using Samsung monitors. They had an external CMU and feed the main with HDMI. They weren't using Resolve but I believe it was Cortex software but it might have been a different manufacturer.
---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <gowanuscanalstinks@...> wrote :You have to enable HDMI metadata in Resolve in order to tunnel.The Dolby software algorithm handles both the HDMI and SDI output. The HDMI should be outputting the main out. If you need to see the Trim version it would need to be the second SDI output of your IO (check Dolby Vision best practices document for the proper settings).Note that you can't output main and trim in 4K, only up to HD. You will need the Decklink 8K Pro for 4K dual Dolby output.DQSOn Nov 4, 2019, at 9:42 PM, John Moore bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:I asked about monitoring DolbyVision without a CMU before but I think it might have been on the Editing List. Here's what the Resolve manual says:
Dolby VisionTM
DaVinci Resolve 15 includes a GPU-accelerated software version of the Dolby Vision CMU (Content Mapping Unit) for doing Dolby Vision grading and finishing workflows right in either the free version of DaVinci Resolve or in DaVinci Resolve Studio. This is enabled and set up in the Color Management panel of the Project Settings with the Enable Dolby Vision checkbox.
Dolby Vision settings in the Color Management panel of the Project Settings
There are five controls available:
‚ Enable Dolby Vision: Turns Dolby Vision on and off. When on, this checkbox enables the Dolby Vision palette in the Color page.
‚ Dolby Vision version pop-up: Lets you choose which version of the Dolby Vision algorithms to use. Options at the time of this writing include 2.9 and 4.0.
‚ Master Display pop-up: Lets you choose the nit level and gamut of the master HDR display you're grading on.
‚ Use External CMU: A checkbox lets you choose whether to use the built-in software CMU or a hardware CMU that you have connected to your DaVinci Resolve workstation.
So what does this mean with my Resolve 15.4 and my Avid DNxIO feeding HDMI to my LG 2016 OLED. It seems when the monitor is fed Dolby Vision the Dolby Vision Icon should pop up indicating the monitor is now working in Dolby Vision. I've never tried this before so I've never seen the LOGO on my LG. I did see it pop up at a seminar on a display that was demonstrating Tunneling from IIRC a Cortex box using a CMU.What is the difference between Tunneling and this supposed built in GPU accelerated software version in Resolve. I can put an output LUT to map to 2084 etc... and I see the levels on the scope drop from my 709 timeline like I would expect them to but I don't see my LG pop into Dolby Vision Mode.I also found this which may be at the core of the issue. Perhaps my Avid branded doesn't work the same as a BM UltraStudio?
‚ HDR Mastering is for: (Only available in Studio version) If you have a DeckLink 4K Extreme 12G or an UltraStudio 4K Extreme video interface, then DaVinci Resolve 12.5 and above can output the metadata necessary to correctly display HDR video signals to display devices using HDMI 2.0a when you turn on the "Enable HDR metadata over HDMI" checkbox in the Master Project Settings.
The Enable HDR metadata over HDMI option in the Master Project Settings lets you output HDR via HDMI 2.0a
When you do so, a setting in the Color Management panel of the Project Settings, "HDR mastering is for X" lets you specify the output, in nits, to be inserted as metadata into the HDMI stream being output, so that the display you're connecting to correctly interprets it. The output you specify should match what your display is expecting.
Anybody played around with this?John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@...
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