Saturday, December 21, 2019

Re: [Avid-L2] MC 2019.11 Bug Report

Absolutely, David, this space is great for that! 

-R
 

On Dec 21, 2019, at 9:32 AM, David Dodson <davidadodson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Thanks for the update, Roberto. Always nice to know you're not alone in the world!

D


On Dec 21, 2019, at 9:22 AM, RobertoSFO <roberto@puregrain.com> wrote:

Yep, duly noted at Avid. I had the same problem and over a couple of sessions with an Avid tech (very knowledgeable, thorough fellow known as David C). 

He and his supervisors confirmed it as a bug that would be addressed in an update later this month... 

My workaround is simply clicking on my workspace icon in the workspace bar. It refreshes the dark screens on Source and Record monitors. 

The tech said the bug is with the AMD Radeon graphics card in my 2018 MBP 15", running 2019.11

-Roberto 
  
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Pure Grain Digital • Mountain View • San Francisco • Lyon



On Dec 21, 2019, at 9:11 AM, David Dodson <davaldod@gmail.com> wrote:

MC 2019.11.0 — on OSX 10.14.6

The Source monitor in the Composer window goes black whenever you go into/out of Trim Mode. It may also do this on other actions, but I have not identified them all.

One work around is to actually physically drag the entire Composer window from one monitor to another monitor, and then put it back in place. But obviously, that sucks.

I am hoping this bug has been noted and will be fixed in the next update.

Much obliged,

DD



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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 10:23 AM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] MC 2019.11 Bug Report

Thanks for the update, Roberto. Always nice to know you're not alone in the world!

D


On Dec 21, 2019, at 9:22 AM, RobertoSFO <roberto@puregrain.com> wrote:

Yep, duly noted at Avid. I had the same problem and over a couple of sessions with an Avid tech (very knowledgeable, thorough fellow known as David C). 

He and his supervisors confirmed it as a bug that would be addressed in an update later this month... 

My workaround is simply clicking on my workspace icon in the workspace bar. It refreshes the dark screens on Source and Record monitors. 

The tech said the bug is with the AMD Radeon graphics card in my 2018 MBP 15", running 2019.11

-Roberto 
  
Roberto Miller
Pure Grain Digital • Mountain View • San Francisco • Lyon



On Dec 21, 2019, at 9:11 AM, David Dodson <davaldod@gmail.com> wrote:

MC 2019.11.0 — on OSX 10.14.6

The Source monitor in the Composer window goes black whenever you go into/out of Trim Mode. It may also do this on other actions, but I have not identified them all.

One work around is to actually physically drag the entire Composer window from one monitor to another monitor, and then put it back in place. But obviously, that sucks.

I am hoping this bug has been noted and will be fixed in the next update.

Much obliged,

DD



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Pure Grain Digital Productions
Mountain VIew, San Francisco, Lyon

Posted by Video Geek Squad at 9:32 AM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] MC 2019.11 Bug Report

Yep, duly noted at Avid. I had the same problem and over a couple of sessions with an Avid tech (very knowledgeable, thorough fellow known as David C). 

He and his supervisors confirmed it as a bug that would be addressed in an update later this month... 

My workaround is simply clicking on my workspace icon in the workspace bar. It refreshes the dark screens on Source and Record monitors. 

The tech said the bug is with the AMD Radeon graphics card in my 2018 MBP 15", running 2019.11

-Roberto 
  
Roberto Miller
Pure Grain Digital • Mountain View • San Francisco • Lyon



On Dec 21, 2019, at 9:11 AM, David Dodson <davaldod@gmail.com> wrote:

MC 2019.11.0 — on OSX 10.14.6

The Source monitor in the Composer window goes black whenever you go into/out of Trim Mode. It may also do this on other actions, but I have not identified them all.

One work around is to actually physically drag the entire Composer window from one monitor to another monitor, and then put it back in place. But obviously, that sucks.

I am hoping this bug has been noted and will be fixed in the next update.

Much obliged,

DD


Posted by Video Geek Squad at 9:22 AM 0 comments

[Avid-L2] MC 2019.11 Bug Report

MC 2019.11.0 — on OSX 10.14.6

The Source monitor in the Composer window goes black whenever you go into/out of Trim Mode. It may also do this on other actions, but I have not identified them all.

One work around is to actually physically drag the entire Composer window from one monitor to another monitor, and then put it back in place. But obviously, that sucks.

I am hoping this bug has been noted and will be fixed in the next update.

Much obliged,

DD

Posted by Video Geek Squad at 9:11 AM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] Can't Log In to Avid Master Account

Working for me.

Pat Horridge

From: Avid-L2@groups.io <Avid-L2@groups.io> on behalf of David Dodson via Groups.Io <davaldod=gmail.com@groups.io>
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Cc: mariannamontagu <marianna.montague@avid.com>
Subject: [Avid-L2] Can't Log In to Avid Master Account
 
Is anyone having trouble logging in to their Master Account on the Avid.com web site?

All of my attempts are error'ing out with a caution to check my email address and password. But nothing has changed, and it doesn't work on both the web site and in the AvidLink app.

Anyone?

Thanks,

D



Posted by Video Geek Squad at 9:10 AM 0 comments

[Avid-L2] Can't Log In to Avid Master Account

Is anyone having trouble logging in to their Master Account on the Avid.com web site?

All of my attempts are error'ing out with a caution to check my email address and password. But nothing has changed, and it doesn't work on both the web site and in the AvidLink app.

Anyone?

Thanks,

D



Posted by Video Geek Squad at 9:08 AM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] Continuing Quest to output Dolby Vision over HDMI from Resolve 15.4 using Avid DNxIO?

I took a DolbyVision mastering class at AbelCine Burbank and I finally figured out how to get simultaneous HDR and SDR output on my home system.  The Aja Hi5-4K Plus turns on the HDR on my 2016 LG OLED.  The glitch I was having is I thought on my Avid DNxIO the two rows of bnc outputs SDI_A thru SDI_D would each be an eye in stereo mode.  Using this logic I ran Resolve in HD mode and set up stereo with top row SDI_A feeding LG OLED and bottom row SDI_A feeding my Sony PVM 2541.  I was getting the same signal to both monitors.  Then I moved the bottom row connector to SDI_B and then I had proper seperate channels so I could tweak HDR on left eye to LG and SDR on right eye on Sony PVM.

Based on this I know believe the two rows of sdi outputs are identical and the stereo signal in HD is left eye SDI_A and right eye on SDI_B.  I have a colour lab HDR plugin that I put on the left eye channel to create HDR levels for the left eye.  Now I'm rocking with both signals.  Hope this helps others avoid my mistake.

Tunneling with Resolves ecmu still doesn't seem possible without upgrading to an Ultra Studio 4K Extreme.  Sure seems like there is enough power in the DNxIO with it's FPGAs to be flashed into doing this but marketing is marketing.
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Thursday, December 19, 2019

Re: [Avid-L2] AVID2019.9 - audio mixer keeps reverting to screen centre #Avid

Further testing at home (also 2019.9) and it is related to when the panel is floating and holds true (i.e. repositions) for:
Audio Mixer (centres), Audio Punch In, Audiosuite (top left), Audio EQ (top left), Settings (centre)

and doesn't reposition for:
Project, Composer, Timeline, Source Browser, Inspector Tool, Markers, Audio Punch In, Audio Tool, Color Info, Motion Effect Editor, Effect Editor, Effect Palette, Calculator, Console, Timecode window etc etc...

Have posted video on Avid facebook page
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Tuesday, December 17, 2019

Re: [Avid-L2] Recommendations for upgrading GPU on MacPro 2010

Excellent phrasing. Love it.

On 17 Dec 2019, at 06:16, Secret HQ <Greg@SecretHQ.com> wrote:

you know, 'Adrenaline' sluggish

Posted by Video Geek Squad at 10:15 AM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] Recommendations for upgrading GPU on MacPro 2010

Thank you, Greg and Pierre, for your valuable advice!
Craig
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Re: [Avid-L2] AVID2019.9 - audio mixer keeps reverting to screen centre #Avid

Well it seems OK on 2019.11.0 on Win10 hmm...

Also seeing failure to display plug-ins - either AAX or Audiosuite. Usually fixed eventually by toggling to a different workspace and back again (I've seen this on previous versions of Avid)
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Re: [Avid-L2] AVID export to FLIX with animation fails

On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 05:17 PM, <pale.edit@gmail.com> wrote:
 
No.  Avid effects are unique to Avid.  Other software won’t understand it.
This is probably true of any NLEs AAF export, unfortunately.
That is not totally accurate.  DaVinci Resolve is capable of reproducing a subset of Avid effects, 3D Warp being one of the most useful.

Jef
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[Avid-L2] AVID2019.9 - audio mixer keeps reverting to screen centre #Avid

UNLESS the container containing the panel containing the audio mixer is selected ....

Tools | Audio Mixer (or keyboard shortcut to same) makes the Audio mixer jump to the centre of my left hand screen.

Can anyone else test and confirm / deny?

Thanks

OSX 10.13.6 MC2019.9.0
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Re: [Avid-L2] Recommendations for upgrading GPU on MacPro 2010

I have a very similar machine, with two 3.46Mhz chips. I had an Nvidia GPU for a while but that drove me crazy with display glitches all over Media Composer (there are posts about it on the Avid forum). I moved to a RX580 recently and appart from the lack of boot screen (monitors stay black until the drivers are loaded), which is frankly a detail, it's a breeze.

I went for the officially approved model, the Sapphire Pulse. Don't get their Nitro+ as it's thicker and you will lose a PCi slot. It's only marginally overclocked so it's not even worth it. The Pulse lets you use all three remaining PCI slots, though I'd recommend putting a small card in slot 2 to avoid blocking the GPU fans. If you have a Windows drive on your system, it's rather easy to flash the Pulse to limit its top power, you're losing a couple of percents but in return it puts the GPU way under the max power the Mac can deliver. It's not compulsory to do though. Oh yes, that's the nice thing about this card, it can be powered from the two PCI sockets and with a couple of years on the market and a lot of users, no negative feedback on doing so.

I run 2019.11 on Mojave with it, and my current project was shot 4K but all converted to HD/DNxHD85 for editing. I usually go for 36 but I joined this project after it started. So far so good from a machine point of view. And I quite like the new interface. I was reading yesterday that thanks to the new Mac Pro, Red finalized hardware acceleration for MacOS using Metal and that the SDK was offered for DaVinci and Avid. And since this GPU is officially Metal happy, it can only benefit us users of the "old" Cheese Grater even if this machine is out of the officially supported list.
https://www.newsshooter.com/2019/12/13/red-apple-complete-metal-gpu-accelerated-r3d-support/

So honestly, since this GPU can be found for cheap -it's $190 on Amazon at the moment!-, it's a no brainer since it'll allow you to squeeze more use of your Mac Pro. Don't forget to buy the specific power cable.
https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-11265-05-20G-Backplate-Graphics-Graphic/dp/B06ZZ6FMF8/
https://www.amazon.com/COMeap-Express-Video-Adapter-15-inch/dp/B07J336WY4/

Pierre
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Re: [Avid-L2] Help! Offline Clips #Avid

Hmmm... thanks, we will look into that!
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Monday, December 16, 2019

Re: [Avid-L2] Recommendations for upgrading GPU on MacPro 2010

I'm running basically that sane machine, maybe slower processors, and just went to High Sierra from Sierra.  I had some nVidia-related problems but got them worked out. I can't go to Mojave because I have nVidia graphics cards - so my next upgrade will probably be a PC.   I'd love the new MacPro, if it was $3 or 4k loaded, but $6k base is whack.  Better graphics card certainly makes a difference with Resolve, not as much Media Composer.  

For what it's worth 2019.x is not officially supported on an old cheesegrater, but I haven't had much problem.  It can be a bit sluggish once in a while, but not like, you know, 'Adrenaline' sluggish.  I also have a new weird audio bug (that's been reported by others) after moving to 2019.11

Interestingly, I DIDNT upgrade BCC - I'm on 10 something, and it still mostly works.  At least the plugins I use work.  It didn't work with Resolve, so I had to remove it because I haven't been able to justify upgrading it.  

There are some real advantages to MC 2019 - exporting OP1A, the dropping that into encoder, is way faster that almost any other export workflow I've tried.  And the encodes have been really good.  (Reference quicktime was broken a while ago, from the Adobe side.)

Not sure if any of this helps at all.  

Be sure to clone (carbon copy or whatever) your boot drive before you upgrade.  If you have the discs and such, and patience, it's probably better to do a clean install - so be sure to deactivate any licenses you have before rebuilding your system drive.  And, of course, put your new system drive on an SSD.  If you haven't already done it, that makes a HUGE difference on a cheesegrater.

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On Dec 16, 2019, at 10:57 AM, craigacm via Groups.Io <CraigACM=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

I have a MacPro 2010 5,1 3.33Mhz 2x6 cores, 48GB RAM still running El Capitan and MC 8.10.
Just paid for a BCC upgrade only to find out that I need at least Sierra or High Sierra for that.  Since I'm about to take the plunge and do the dreaded "fix what ain't broken" path, I'm also considering upgrading my current GPU (Radeon 5770 1GB) to a Radeon RX 580 8GB so I can install Mojave.  And, at some point to update to MC 2019 as well.  I'm not in a position to go with a new computer, but can handle the $350 or so for a new GPU.
So I'd like to know if anyone has any advice regarding:
1.  If I just move to High Sierra, will I see any value in changing the GPU to the Radeon RX 580?
2.  Any advantage in running MC on Mojave vs. High Sierra?
3.  Any compatibility issues with my system when I move up to MC2019?
Note: I also use After Effects and Media Encoder - the new GPU might help there, but with 1080 media I mostly edit with, I'm fine with the performance I'm currently getting.
Suggestions welcome! Thanks in advance.
Craig

Posted by Video Geek Squad at 9:16 PM 0 comments

[Avid-L2] Recommendations for upgrading GPU on MacPro 2010

I have a MacPro 2010 5,1 3.33Mhz 2x6 cores, 48GB RAM still running El Capitan and MC 8.10.
Just paid for a BCC upgrade only to find out that I need at least Sierra or High Sierra for that.  Since I'm about to take the plunge and do the dreaded "fix what ain't broken" path, I'm also considering upgrading my current GPU (Radeon 5770 1GB) to a Radeon RX 580 8GB so I can install Mojave.  And, at some point to update to MC 2019 as well.  I'm not in a position to go with a new computer, but can handle the $350 or so for a new GPU.
So I'd like to know if anyone has any advice regarding:
1.  If I just move to High Sierra, will I see any value in changing the GPU to the Radeon RX 580?
2.  Any advantage in running MC on Mojave vs. High Sierra?
3.  Any compatibility issues with my system when I move up to MC2019?
Note: I also use After Effects and Media Encoder - the new GPU might help there, but with 1080 media I mostly edit with, I'm fine with the performance I'm currently getting.
Suggestions welcome! Thanks in advance.
Craig
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Re: [Avid-L2] AVID export to FLIX with animation fails

You could try duplicating the sequence and doing a video Mixdown and replace the VFXs with it. That would make the sequence "AAF friendly" for third parties.


On Sun, 15 Dec 2019, 17:14 Paul Darrigo, <fedguy2@pacbell.net> wrote:
Hi,

We are using Flix and Avid for review/approve/create.


A sequence with PS panels cut on AVID.
AVID exports sequence that has some animation efx on a few panels.
Export .aaf
Ingest into Flix
Panels with animation fail.

Creating QT's of those panels is time consuming.

Is there a way to render or export the .aaf so that the animation effects looks flattened (Non-destructive) to Flix so it will work?

Thanks in advanced,


Paul Darrigo
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On Sunday, December 15, 2019, 7:06:43 AM PST, bouke <bouke@editb.nl> wrote:


Get a (refurb) high end (hp) Win 10 workstation for less than 2K, run that and be happy.
Yes, Windows is different, but the times that Mac outperformed Win are over. (By some 20 years.)

Nowadays, Microsoft is 'open', while Apple wants to make money on everything you do, and wants your credit card info even before you turn your machine on.
I don't get why people use Apple. 

Bouke (Who has typed this on a Macbook Pro.)

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On 15 Dec 2019, at 15:51, Dennis Wiener <dwiener@earthlink.net> wrote:

After seven years I think it's time for a hardware upgrade. Problems is a lot of my software will not migrate to Catalina. Does anyone know if any of the following is possible?

Reformat the system drive and install an older OS?
Boot from an external drive running an older OS
Use Bootcamp and run windows10 for some of the legacy software I use?

I know eventually Media Composer will catch up. But I also use Adobe CS6 apps a lot and don't want to be forced over to a cloud subscription. Same with my ancient 2008 MS Office



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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 2:17 AM 0 comments

Sunday, December 15, 2019

Re: [Avid-L2] AVID export to FLIX with animation fails


No.  Avid effects are unique to Avid.  Other software won't understand it.
This is probably true of any NLEs AAF export, unfortunately.

On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 3:14 PM Paul Darrigo <fedguy2@pacbell.net> wrote:
Hi,

We are using Flix and Avid for review/approve/create.


A sequence with PS panels cut on AVID.
AVID exports sequence that has some animation efx on a few panels.
Export .aaf
Ingest into Flix
Panels with animation fail.

Creating QT's of those panels is time consuming.

Is there a way to render or export the .aaf so that the animation effects looks flattened (Non-destructive) to Flix so it will work?

Thanks in advanced,


Paul Darrigo
CHULA - Citizens for a Humane Los Angeles
https://www.facebook.com/groups/773416409436730/
323-244-8020


On Sunday, December 15, 2019, 7:06:43 AM PST, bouke <bouke@editb.nl> wrote:


Get a (refurb) high end (hp) Win 10 workstation for less than 2K, run that and be happy.
Yes, Windows is different, but the times that Mac outperformed Win are over. (By some 20 years.)

Nowadays, Microsoft is 'open', while Apple wants to make money on everything you do, and wants your credit card info even before you turn your machine on.
I don't get why people use Apple. 

Bouke (Who has typed this on a Macbook Pro.)

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On 15 Dec 2019, at 15:51, Dennis Wiener <dwiener@earthlink.net> wrote:

After seven years I think it's time for a hardware upgrade. Problems is a lot of my software will not migrate to Catalina. Does anyone know if any of the following is possible?

Reformat the system drive and install an older OS?
Boot from an external drive running an older OS
Use Bootcamp and run windows10 for some of the legacy software I use?

I know eventually Media Composer will catch up. But I also use Adobe CS6 apps a lot and don't want to be forced over to a cloud subscription. Same with my ancient 2008 MS Office



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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 2:17 PM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] Are new Mac's that ship with Catalina downgradeble to Mojave or High Sierra?

Ok.  The older 2013 iMacs have a M.2 slot on the logic board unused.       You can put a 512 M.2 (The Apple version) Swap out the HDD to 4 TB enterprise drive and be good for some years.

Good luck

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On Sunday, December 15, 2019, 1:15:25 PM PST, Dennis Wiener <dwiener@earthlink.net> wrote:


It would be one thing if I owned an old cheese grater, but mine is an iMac. The best I could do would be to pry it open and add an SSD. My memory is currently maxed at at 32gb. The new machines can officially go to 64gb, and unofficially to 128gb. It's at home and I like the all in one design.  I have sitting here barely used a hackentosh I built around the same time. I'd prefer not to have a tower sitting on the floor. I may need to power it up for when I need to use my CS6 apps, or just run them on my zBook laptop when I need to. I have a couple of old clone system drives. One with Mavericks, one with El Capitan. I'll need to create a new on with High Sierra for Avid. I haven't even installed Mojave on this machine yet. And my biggest fear on this old iMac is HDD failure. At 7 years I know that component is pretty close to end of life more than antything else inside.



On Dec 15, 2019, at 3:41 PM, Paul Darrigo <fedguy2@pacbell.net> wrote:

I have a 2009 Cheese grater.  I upgraded the cores to 12 with 3.33Ghz  48 GB RAM and 8 GB video card.  Added USB 3 card, a M.2 card to put a SSD boot (600 mbz per sec)   Took out the DVD player so that I can have 8 drives.

It boots in like 15 seconds.  

I haven't loaded Mojave on it because what I have works so no need.  Cost like $700

Ultimate 12 core Mac Pro Upgrade! Step by Step in 4k



I've done two Macs so far.  Love them.

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 1:48 PM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] Are new Mac's that ship with Catalina downgradeble to Mojave or High Sierra?

It would be one thing if I owned an old cheese grater, but mine is an iMac. The best I could do would be to pry it open and add an SSD. My memory is currently maxed at at 32gb. The new machines can officially go to 64gb, and unofficially to 128gb. It's at home and I like the all in one design.  I have sitting here barely used a hackentosh I built around the same time. I'd prefer not to have a tower sitting on the floor. I may need to power it up for when I need to use my CS6 apps, or just run them on my zBook laptop when I need to. I have a couple of old clone system drives. One with Mavericks, one with El Capitan. I'll need to create a new on with High Sierra for Avid. I haven't even installed Mojave on this machine yet. And my biggest fear on this old iMac is HDD failure. At 7 years I know that component is pretty close to end of life more than antything else inside.



On Dec 15, 2019, at 3:41 PM, Paul Darrigo <fedguy2@pacbell.net> wrote:

I have a 2009 Cheese grater.  I upgraded the cores to 12 with 3.33Ghz  48 GB RAM and 8 GB video card.  Added USB 3 card, a M.2 card to put a SSD boot (600 mbz per sec)   Took out the DVD player so that I can have 8 drives.

It boots in like 15 seconds.  

I haven't loaded Mojave on it because what I have works so no need.  Cost like $700




I've done two Macs so far.  Love them.

Paul Darrigo
CHULA - Citizens for a Humane Los Angeles
https://www.facebook.com/groups/773416409436730/
323-244-8020


Posted by Video Geek Squad at 1:15 PM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] Are new Mac's that ship with Catalina downgradeble to Mojave or High Sierra?

I have a 2009 Cheese grater.  I upgraded the cores to 12 with 3.33Ghz  48 GB RAM and 8 GB video card.  Added USB 3 card, a M.2 card to put a SSD boot (600 mbz per sec)   Took out the DVD player so that I can have 8 drives.

It boots in like 15 seconds.  

I haven't loaded Mojave on it because what I have works so no need.  Cost like $700




I've done two Macs so far.  Love them.

Paul Darrigo
CHULA - Citizens for a Humane Los Angeles
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On Sunday, December 15, 2019, 12:29:19 PM PST, Dennis Wiener <dwiener@earthlink.net> wrote:


Faster processor, more cores, more ram, SSD system drive, thuderbolt 3 vs thunderbolt 1, better gpu with more ram.


On Dec 15, 2019, at 3:07 PM, Paul Darrigo <fedguy2@pacbell.net> wrote:

Dennis,

Why do you want to upgrade?

Paul Darrigo
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