Saturday, January 19, 2013

Re: [Avid-L2] AVCHD workflow for final SD DVCAM master

Thank you Bouke!

I'm always trying to teach assistants the difference between resolution and compression. Avid certainly doesn't help.

I feel better now.

Robert Ferguson

On Jan 19, 2013, at 5:27 PM, bouke wrote:

> First a bit of a rant, can we ALL (that means Avid) stop mixing Compression
> with Resolution?
> (not typical for this thread, but had to vent something)
>
> for you, DNxHD 36 is full res at HIGH compression. It sucks for delivery, no
> matter the downconvert.
> It will introduce a lot of compression artefacts.
> Now, since you're from the PAL side of the world, you could downconvert and
> work in DV.
> That will even be smaller, and way better quality, and will make a fine
> DVcam master
> BUT, internet delivery is nowadays HD. 720x576 (and deinterlaced) will NOT
> be top quality for the net.
> Even YouTube is doing 1080 nowadays.
>
> so, listen to everyone here, buy some drivespace, transcode to DNxHD 120 and
> work with that.
> Any half decent transcoder you have laying around will do the transfer.
> Let your machine rip 24/7 and be done with it.
>
> ht
>
> Bouke
>
> VideoToolShed
> van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
> 6512 AS NIJMEGEN
> The Netherlands
> +31 24 3553311
> www.videotoolshed.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bartekz" zbimages@yahoo.com>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 7:01 PM
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: AVCHD workflow for final SD DVCAM master
>
> all I have is my trusty Macbook Pro 4.1,OS 10.6.8, 2.5GHz, Intel 2 core, 4
> GB RAM. From what I know 6.5 won't run on that. I can deal with that, it's
> the codec question that puzzles me. Is DNx 36 ok if there is a down-convert
> to SD-PAL.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Roger wrote:
> >
> > This is better than doing an import of AVCHD on an older system. AVCHD
> > import was a bit flaky.
> >
> > On 19 Jan 2013, at 16:13, Terence Curren wrote:
> >
> > > Do you have access to a second computer? Laptop even? If so, install the
> > > free 30 day trial version of MC 6.5 and use it to AMA then convert all
> > > your footage. Then take that to your 5.5 system.
> > >
> > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "bartekz" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > -unfortunatly I am limited to MC 5.5.3...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Robert Lawson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Avid added AMA support for AVCHD files in version 6.0.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > > Rob Lawson
> > > > > System Administrator, ACSR ISIS, Windows & Interplay
> > > > > CBS News
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 8:12 AM, bartekz wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear L2,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > here is my scenario:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am about to cut a half hour documentary from about 30 hours of
> > > > > > AVCHD
> > > > > > footage, shot on Sony FS100. I need to import into MC 5.5.3 but I
> > > > > > am not
> > > > > > sure exactly what codec is acceptable for a master on PAL-DVCAM
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > internet. I did a few tests and I can see the difference in the
> > > > > > detail
> > > > > > between low-to-high data rate codecs, but will this matter in the
> > > > > > down-convert? My project will be down-converted for broadcast in
> > > > > > SD.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since drive space is an issue for me can I:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -import at DNxHD 36 or Apple ProRes Proxy via FCP and still be
> > > > > > fine for
> > > > > > the final PAL master? The internet file will be compressed H.264
> > > > > > so I
> > > > > > reason the lossy/offline codecs here are fine?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -or must I import at a higher data rate codec for some reasons of
> > > > > > major
> > > > > > consequence?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -is Clipwrap ok for the conversion here? I believe MC 5.5 can't do
> > > > > > AMA
> > > > > > then transcode, only import.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > With best wishes,
> > Roger Shufflebottom
> > +44 7973 543 660
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>



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Re: [Avid-L2] OT: Both Safari and Firefox have stopped playing YouTube audio

I have a similar problem with YouTube sometimes... esp on 10.6.8 and Safari 5.1.7. Firefox is going kinda crazy with updates these days. On 10.6.8, Google's Chrome browser seems to work pretty reliably with YouTube.

Don't know if that'll solve your problem. But Chrome's not so bad anyway...

https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/

HTH,

Jim Feeley
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On Jan 19, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Shirley Gutierrez wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This problem has suddenly appeared on my 2008 vintage iMac, running 10.6.8, Safari 5.1.7, Firefox 15.0.1. Video seems to play fine, but there is no audio playback at all. System audio itself seems fine. System sounds and iTunes have no problem, and I can stream Netflix with normal sound playback. I haven't tried any other internet video, such as Vimeo, so no idea if the problem extends to that.
>
> I've tried reinstalling Flash to no avail. Ideas?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Shirley
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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[Avid-L2] Re: what are yall using to archive

 

They showed this last January, and again at NAB. But they had no shipping date or info. It's a stack of BluRays in the cartridge. Sony rates BluRay discs as 50 year archive.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Andi Meek wrote:
>
>
> What do people think about this? Not much info out there but looks interesting.
> http://www.sony.co.uk/pro/product/opticaldiscarchive/ods-d55u/overview
> Andi
>
>
>
>
> > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> > From: dave@...
> > Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 16:51:17 +0000
> > Subject: RE: [Avid-L2] what are yall using to archive
> >
> > it's online storage that grows pod by pod. always accessible even when resilvering due to a drive replacement at about 80% of bandwidth. these can be snapshoted and or rsyncd to duplicate systems. for lightning, we have facility ups so that isnt ever going to be an issue. as for power use, the system monitors access and goes into powersaving- also the drives are all 'green' low power consumption drives.
> >
> > the benefit of instantly accessing data vs loading a tape and hoping it comes up ok is really big.
> >
> > also i have cpus that are running after over 10yrs of service still but in the meantime i've seen data storages go from floppys go to zip and jaz to optical disc to cd to dvd to usb drives to firewire drives to bluray and dlt to all the various lto formats that come out ever year. service life of a system has to be thought of in a data storage plan.
> >
> > it's the 'ol digital dilemma discussion, no one's right, we just have to keep chasing and migrating our bits and hope we dont drop any :)
> >
> > David C. Ballard
> >
> > President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
> > LAB 601 Digital Post
> > 404.876.4601
> > www.lab601.com
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of bouke [bouke@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 4:57 AM
> > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] what are yall using to archive
> >
> >
> >
> > Huh? 90Tb in a single backup? One backup is no backup, if lighning strikes,
> > you've lost everything...
> > Now, the DIY build i like, but i very much doubt the efficiency powerwise...
> > My guestimation is that it requires at least 2 Kw.
> > That is one year more cost on electricity than an LTO system will set you
> > back.
> > (granted, a smaller system for editing only will also use power. I'm at the
> > point of powering down at night / weekends)
> >
> > Bouke
> >
> > VideoToolShed
> > van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
> > 6512 AS NIJMEGEN
> > The Netherlands
> > +31 24 3553311
> > www.videotoolshed.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David C. Ballard" dave@... >
> > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com >
> > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 4:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] what are yall using to archive
> >
> > > we use our own purpose built spinning disk storage pods. filled with 45
> > > 2tb drives for 90tb each now until larger ones get as cheap. you can call
> > > us to ask what they cost, but they are 10s of thousands less than same
> > > sized commercially available storages. they are online NAS storages with
> > > bonded interfaces for gigE speeds to multiple systems at full bandwidth.
> > > they use off the shelf components so if there is a failure (which we have
> > > not had yet) they can be fixed easily and affordably.
> > >
> > > we edit off of them with reasonable resolutions (no uncompressed) with
> > > multiple clients. they are great for central repositorys, work great with
> > > VFX systems and graphic artists.
> > >
> > > they run ZFS zraid2 so they are looking for problems and fixing any
> > > without the Data Rot that comes with raid5 or 6. i've replaced only 2
> > > drives in the units and not suffered downtime for rebuilding that comes
> > > with traditional raid. good thing as using commodity drives they all have
> > > been RMA'd by seagate under their warranty.
> > >
> > > with proper file system like zfs and spinning disk you have electricity
> > > cost (if constantly running) but could have less failure rate of bad tapes
> > > or tapes not loading....not looking for a flame war, but if an archive is
> > > accessible directly and monitored on the bit level, this is better than
> > > shelving something and hoping it opened.
> > >
> > > we've got our 13 years of our data on these pods. handy.
> > >
> > > David C. Ballard
> > > President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
> > > LAB 601 Digital Post
> > > 404.876.4601
> > > www.lab601.comhttp://www.lab601.com/>
> > >
> > > From: mike cardeiro mcardeiro@... mcardeiro@... >>
> > > Reply-To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com >"
> > > Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com >>
> > > Date: Friday, January 18, 2013 10:20 AM
> > > To: avid l 2 Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com >>
> > > Subject: [Avid-L2] what are yall using to archive
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Over the past few years we have changed from mostly tape to mostly digital
> > > shooting. As a consequence the way we used to archive old projects
> > > doesn't work.
> > >
> > > Sometimes I will end up with 1 or 2 usb drives with all the footage from a
> > > shoot...theres a big pile of them building up in one of the Avid suites.
> > > Frankly, I don't put a lot of faith in the longevity of these little
> > > drives.
> > >
> > > I'm thinking of getting a large raid server that can just hold all the
> > > stuff (till it gets full then we'll have another talk about longer term
> > > archival)
> > >
> > > What are you using to archive old footage that was aquired digitally?
> > >
> > > Mike Cardeiro
> > > Editor/Animator/Compositor
> > > D4 Creative Group - Philadelphia, PA
> > >
> > > http://www.michaelcardeiro.com/resume/
> > > http://www.youtube.com/user/mcardeiro
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Re: [Avid-L2] OT: Both Safari and Firefox have stopped playing YouTube audio

 

Ok, welcome to your new life!
This one is for you to say goodbye
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4

Have a nice, pleasant, calm and silent evening.

Bouke

VideoToolShed
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The Netherlands
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www.videotoolshed.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shirley Gutierrez" guanacaa@aol.com>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 11:50 PM
Subject: [Avid-L2] OT: Both Safari and Firefox have stopped playing YouTube
audio

> Hi,
>
>
> This problem has suddenly appeared on my 2008 vintage iMac, running
> 10.6.8, Safari 5.1.7, Firefox 15.0.1. Video seems to play fine, but there
> is no audio playback at all. System audio itself seems fine. System sounds
> and iTunes have no problem, and I can stream Netflix with normal sound
> playback. I haven't tried any other internet video, such as Vimeo, so no
> idea if the problem extends to that.
>
>
> I've tried reinstalling Flash to no avail. Ideas?
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
> Shirley
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: AVCHD workflow for final SD DVCAM master

 

First a bit of a rant, can we ALL (that means Avid) stop mixing Compression
with Resolution?
(not typical for this thread, but had to vent something)

for you, DNxHD 36 is full res at HIGH compression. It sucks for delivery, no
matter the downconvert.
It will introduce a lot of compression artefacts.
Now, since you're from the PAL side of the world, you could downconvert and
work in DV.
That will even be smaller, and way better quality, and will make a fine
DVcam master
BUT, internet delivery is nowadays HD. 720x576 (and deinterlaced) will NOT
be top quality for the net.
Even YouTube is doing 1080 nowadays.

so, listen to everyone here, buy some drivespace, transcode to DNxHD 120 and
work with that.
Any half decent transcoder you have laying around will do the transfer.
Let your machine rip 24/7 and be done with it.

ht

Bouke

VideoToolShed
van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
6512 AS NIJMEGEN
The Netherlands
+31 24 3553311
www.videotoolshed.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "bartekz" zbimages@yahoo.com>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 7:01 PM
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: AVCHD workflow for final SD DVCAM master

all I have is my trusty Macbook Pro 4.1,OS 10.6.8, 2.5GHz, Intel 2 core, 4
GB RAM. From what I know 6.5 won't run on that. I can deal with that, it's
the codec question that puzzles me. Is DNx 36 ok if there is a down-convert
to SD-PAL.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Roger wrote:
>
> This is better than doing an import of AVCHD on an older system. AVCHD
> import was a bit flaky.
>
> On 19 Jan 2013, at 16:13, Terence Curren wrote:
>
> > Do you have access to a second computer? Laptop even? If so, install the
> > free 30 day trial version of MC 6.5 and use it to AMA then convert all
> > your footage. Then take that to your 5.5 system.
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "bartekz" wrote:
> > >
> > > -unfortunatly I am limited to MC 5.5.3...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Robert Lawson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Avid added AMA support for AVCHD files in version 6.0.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Rob Lawson
> > > > System Administrator, ACSR ISIS, Windows & Interplay
> > > > CBS News
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 8:12 AM, bartekz wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear L2,
> > > > >
> > > > > here is my scenario:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am about to cut a half hour documentary from about 30 hours of
> > > > > AVCHD
> > > > > footage, shot on Sony FS100. I need to import into MC 5.5.3 but I
> > > > > am not
> > > > > sure exactly what codec is acceptable for a master on PAL-DVCAM
> > > > > and
> > > > > internet. I did a few tests and I can see the difference in the
> > > > > detail
> > > > > between low-to-high data rate codecs, but will this matter in the
> > > > > down-convert? My project will be down-converted for broadcast in
> > > > > SD.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since drive space is an issue for me can I:
> > > > >
> > > > > -import at DNxHD 36 or Apple ProRes Proxy via FCP and still be
> > > > > fine for
> > > > > the final PAL master? The internet file will be compressed H.264
> > > > > so I
> > > > > reason the lossy/offline codecs here are fine?
> > > > >
> > > > > -or must I import at a higher data rate codec for some reasons of
> > > > > major
> > > > > consequence?
> > > > >
> > > > > -is Clipwrap ok for the conversion here? I believe MC 5.5 can't do
> > > > > AMA
> > > > > then transcode, only import.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> With best wishes,
> Roger Shufflebottom
> +44 7973 543 660
>
>
>
>
>
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[Avid-L2] OT: Both Safari and Firefox have stopped playing YouTube audio

 

Hi,

This problem has suddenly appeared on my 2008 vintage iMac, running 10.6.8, Safari 5.1.7, Firefox 15.0.1. Video seems to play fine, but there is no audio playback at all. System audio itself seems fine. System sounds and iTunes have no problem, and I can stream Netflix with normal sound playback. I haven't tried any other internet video, such as Vimeo, so no idea if the problem extends to that.

I've tried reinstalling Flash to no avail. Ideas?

Thank you!

Shirley

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RE: [Avid-L2] what are yall using to archive

 


What do people think about this? Not much info out there but looks interesting.
http://www.sony.co.uk/pro/product/opticaldiscarchive/ods-d55u/overview
Andi

> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> From: dave@lab601.com
> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 16:51:17 +0000
> Subject: RE: [Avid-L2] what are yall using to archive
>
> it's online storage that grows pod by pod. always accessible even when resilvering due to a drive replacement at about 80% of bandwidth. these can be snapshoted and or rsyncd to duplicate systems. for lightning, we have facility ups so that isnt ever going to be an issue. as for power use, the system monitors access and goes into powersaving- also the drives are all 'green' low power consumption drives.
>
> the benefit of instantly accessing data vs loading a tape and hoping it comes up ok is really big.
>
> also i have cpus that are running after over 10yrs of service still but in the meantime i've seen data storages go from floppys go to zip and jaz to optical disc to cd to dvd to usb drives to firewire drives to bluray and dlt to all the various lto formats that come out ever year. service life of a system has to be thought of in a data storage plan.
>
> it's the 'ol digital dilemma discussion, no one's right, we just have to keep chasing and migrating our bits and hope we dont drop any :)
>
> David C. Ballard
>
> President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
> LAB 601 Digital Post
> 404.876.4601
> www.lab601.comhttp://www.lab601.com/>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of bouke [bouke@editb.nl]
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 4:57 AM
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] what are yall using to archive
>
>
>
> Huh? 90Tb in a single backup? One backup is no backup, if lighning strikes,
> you've lost everything...
> Now, the DIY build i like, but i very much doubt the efficiency powerwise...
> My guestimation is that it requires at least 2 Kw.
> That is one year more cost on electricity than an LTO system will set you
> back.
> (granted, a smaller system for editing only will also use power. I'm at the
> point of powering down at night / weekends)
>
> Bouke
>
> VideoToolShed
> van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
> 6512 AS NIJMEGEN
> The Netherlands
> +31 24 3553311
> www.videotoolshed.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David C. Ballard" dave@lab601.com>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 4:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] what are yall using to archive
>
> > we use our own purpose built spinning disk storage pods. filled with 45
> > 2tb drives for 90tb each now until larger ones get as cheap. you can call
> > us to ask what they cost, but they are 10s of thousands less than same
> > sized commercially available storages. they are online NAS storages with
> > bonded interfaces for gigE speeds to multiple systems at full bandwidth.
> > they use off the shelf components so if there is a failure (which we have
> > not had yet) they can be fixed easily and affordably.
> >
> > we edit off of them with reasonable resolutions (no uncompressed) with
> > multiple clients. they are great for central repositorys, work great with
> > VFX systems and graphic artists.
> >
> > they run ZFS zraid2 so they are looking for problems and fixing any
> > without the Data Rot that comes with raid5 or 6. i've replaced only 2
> > drives in the units and not suffered downtime for rebuilding that comes
> > with traditional raid. good thing as using commodity drives they all have
> > been RMA'd by seagate under their warranty.
> >
> > with proper file system like zfs and spinning disk you have electricity
> > cost (if constantly running) but could have less failure rate of bad tapes
> > or tapes not loading....not looking for a flame war, but if an archive is
> > accessible directly and monitored on the bit level, this is better than
> > shelving something and hoping it opened.
> >
> > we've got our 13 years of our data on these pods. handy.
> >
> > David C. Ballard
> > President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
> > LAB 601 Digital Post
> > 404.876.4601
> > www.lab601.comhttp://www.lab601.com/>
> >
> > From: mike cardeiro mcardeiro@yahoo.commcardeiro@yahoo.com>>
> > Reply-To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.comAvid-L2@yahoogroups.com>"
> > Avid-L2@yahoogroups.comAvid-L2@yahoogroups.com>>
> > Date: Friday, January 18, 2013 10:20 AM
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> > Subject: [Avid-L2] what are yall using to archive
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Over the past few years we have changed from mostly tape to mostly digital
> > shooting. As a consequence the way we used to archive old projects
> > doesn't work.
> >
> > Sometimes I will end up with 1 or 2 usb drives with all the footage from a
> > shoot...theres a big pile of them building up in one of the Avid suites.
> > Frankly, I don't put a lot of faith in the longevity of these little
> > drives.
> >
> > I'm thinking of getting a large raid server that can just hold all the
> > stuff (till it gets full then we'll have another talk about longer term
> > archival)
> >
> > What are you using to archive old footage that was aquired digitally?
> >
> > Mike Cardeiro
> > Editor/Animator/Compositor
> > D4 Creative Group - Philadelphia, PA
> >
> > http://www.michaelcardeiro.com/resume/
> > http://www.youtube.com/user/mcardeiro
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> >
> >
> >
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[Avid-L2] Re: AVCHD workflow for final SD DVCAM master

 

all I have is my trusty Macbook Pro 4.1,OS 10.6.8, 2.5GHz, Intel 2 core, 4 GB RAM. From what I know 6.5 won't run on that. I can deal with that, it's the codec question that puzzles me. Is DNx 36 ok if there is a down-convert to SD-PAL.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Roger wrote:
>
> This is better than doing an import of AVCHD on an older system. AVCHD import was a bit flaky.
>
> On 19 Jan 2013, at 16:13, Terence Curren wrote:
>
> > Do you have access to a second computer? Laptop even? If so, install the free 30 day trial version of MC 6.5 and use it to AMA then convert all your footage. Then take that to your 5.5 system.
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "bartekz" wrote:
> > >
> > > -unfortunatly I am limited to MC 5.5.3...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Robert Lawson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Avid added AMA support for AVCHD files in version 6.0.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Rob Lawson
> > > > System Administrator, ACSR ISIS, Windows & Interplay
> > > > CBS News
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 8:12 AM, bartekz wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear L2,
> > > > >
> > > > > here is my scenario:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am about to cut a half hour documentary from about 30 hours of AVCHD
> > > > > footage, shot on Sony FS100. I need to import into MC 5.5.3 but I am not
> > > > > sure exactly what codec is acceptable for a master on PAL-DVCAM and
> > > > > internet. I did a few tests and I can see the difference in the detail
> > > > > between low-to-high data rate codecs, but will this matter in the
> > > > > down-convert? My project will be down-converted for broadcast in SD.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since drive space is an issue for me can I:
> > > > >
> > > > > -import at DNxHD 36 or Apple ProRes Proxy via FCP and still be fine for
> > > > > the final PAL master? The internet file will be compressed H.264 so I
> > > > > reason the lossy/offline codecs here are fine?
> > > > >
> > > > > -or must I import at a higher data rate codec for some reasons of major
> > > > > consequence?
> > > > >
> > > > > -is Clipwrap ok for the conversion here? I believe MC 5.5 can't do AMA
> > > > > then transcode, only import.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> With best wishes,
> Roger Shufflebottom
> +44 7973 543 660
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] AVCHD workflow for final SD DVCAM master

Also, to the poster's original question- don't down-rez before editing, imho. Work in a finishing-quality codec, like DNx or ProRes, then convert to your target format for delivery when you're done editing.

If you don't have enough storage, buy a small raid, like a g-raid mini (less than $250,) so you have enough storage room and speed to work at a 'full' resolution. This will also work for transporting between the system you're 'borrowing' for transcoding.

While your current deliverable is SD and online, your client may want something more later - and you'll have it. You generally get much nicer looking compressed video when down-converting from a higher-resolution. As a bonus, Color correction and VFX are much easier in HD.

gh
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On Jan 19, 2013, at 8:13 AM, Terence Curren <tcurren@aol.com> wrote:

> Do you have access to a second computer? Laptop even? If so, install the free 30 day trial version of MC 6.5 and use it to AMA then convert all your footage. Then take that to your 5.5 system.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "bartekz" wrote:
> >
> > -unfortunatly I am limited to MC 5.5.3...
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Robert Lawson wrote:
> > >
> > > Avid added AMA support for AVCHD files in version 6.0.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Rob Lawson
> > > System Administrator, ACSR ISIS, Windows & Interplay
> > > CBS News
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 8:12 AM, bartekz wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear L2,
> > > >
> > > > here is my scenario:
> > > >
> > > > I am about to cut a half hour documentary from about 30 hours of AVCHD
> > > > footage, shot on Sony FS100. I need to import into MC 5.5.3 but I am not
> > > > sure exactly what codec is acceptable for a master on PAL-DVCAM and
> > > > internet. I did a few tests and I can see the difference in the detail
> > > > between low-to-high data rate codecs, but will this matter in the
> > > > down-convert? My project will be down-converted for broadcast in SD.
> > > >
> > > > Since drive space is an issue for me can I:
> > > >
> > > > -import at DNxHD 36 or Apple ProRes Proxy via FCP and still be fine for
> > > > the final PAL master? The internet file will be compressed H.264 so I
> > > > reason the lossy/offline codecs here are fine?
> > > >
> > > > -or must I import at a higher data rate codec for some reasons of major
> > > > consequence?
> > > >
> > > > -is Clipwrap ok for the conversion here? I believe MC 5.5 can't do AMA
> > > > then transcode, only import.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
>



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RE: [Avid-L2] what are yall using to archive

it's online storage that grows pod by pod. always accessible even when resilvering due to a drive replacement at about 80% of bandwidth. these can be snapshoted and or rsyncd to duplicate systems. for lightning, we have facility ups so that isnt ever going to be an issue. as for power use, the system monitors access and goes into powersaving- also the drives are all 'green' low power consumption drives.

the benefit of instantly accessing data vs loading a tape and hoping it comes up ok is really big.

also i have cpus that are running after over 10yrs of service still but in the meantime i've seen data storages go from floppys go to zip and jaz to optical disc to cd to dvd to usb drives to firewire drives to bluray and dlt to all the various lto formats that come out ever year. service life of a system has to be thought of in a data storage plan.

it's the 'ol digital dilemma discussion, no one's right, we just have to keep chasing and migrating our bits and hope we dont drop any :)

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LAB 601 Digital Post
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From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of bouke [bouke@editb.nl]
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 4:57 AM
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] what are yall using to archive



Huh? 90Tb in a single backup? One backup is no backup, if lighning strikes,
you've lost everything...
Now, the DIY build i like, but i very much doubt the efficiency powerwise...
My guestimation is that it requires at least 2 Kw.
That is one year more cost on electricity than an LTO system will set you
back.
(granted, a smaller system for editing only will also use power. I'm at the
point of powering down at night / weekends)

Bouke

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----- Original Message -----
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To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>>
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> we use our own purpose built spinning disk storage pods. filled with 45
> 2tb drives for 90tb each now until larger ones get as cheap. you can call
> us to ask what they cost, but they are 10s of thousands less than same
> sized commercially available storages. they are online NAS storages with
> bonded interfaces for gigE speeds to multiple systems at full bandwidth.
> they use off the shelf components so if there is a failure (which we have
> not had yet) they can be fixed easily and affordably.
>
> we edit off of them with reasonable resolutions (no uncompressed) with
> multiple clients. they are great for central repositorys, work great with
> VFX systems and graphic artists.
>
> they run ZFS zraid2 so they are looking for problems and fixing any
> without the Data Rot that comes with raid5 or 6. i've replaced only 2
> drives in the units and not suffered downtime for rebuilding that comes
> with traditional raid. good thing as using commodity drives they all have
> been RMA'd by seagate under their warranty.
>
> with proper file system like zfs and spinning disk you have electricity
> cost (if constantly running) but could have less failure rate of bad tapes
> or tapes not loading....not looking for a flame war, but if an archive is
> accessible directly and monitored on the bit level, this is better than
> shelving something and hoping it opened.
>
> we've got our 13 years of our data on these pods. handy.
>
> David C. Ballard
> President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
> LAB 601 Digital Post
> 404.876.4601
> www.lab601.comhttp://www.lab601.com/>
>
> From: mike cardeiro mcardeiro@yahoo.com<mailto:mcardeiro%40yahoo.com>mcardeiro@yahoo.com<mailto:mcardeiro%40yahoo.com>>>
> Reply-To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>>"
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> Date: Friday, January 18, 2013 10:20 AM
> To: avid l 2 Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>>>
> Subject: [Avid-L2] what are yall using to archive
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> Over the past few years we have changed from mostly tape to mostly digital
> shooting. As a consequence the way we used to archive old projects
> doesn't work.
>
> Sometimes I will end up with 1 or 2 usb drives with all the footage from a
> shoot...theres a big pile of them building up in one of the Avid suites.
> Frankly, I don't put a lot of faith in the longevity of these little
> drives.
>
> I'm thinking of getting a large raid server that can just hold all the
> stuff (till it gets full then we'll have another talk about longer term
> archival)
>
> What are you using to archive old footage that was aquired digitally?
>
> Mike Cardeiro
> Editor/Animator/Compositor
> D4 Creative Group - Philadelphia, PA
>
> http://www.michaelcardeiro.com/resume/
> http://www.youtube.com/user/mcardeiro
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: AVCHD workflow for final SD DVCAM master

This is better than doing an import of AVCHD on an older system. AVCHD import was a bit flaky.

On 19 Jan 2013, at 16:13, Terence Curren wrote:

> Do you have access to a second computer? Laptop even? If so, install the free 30 day trial version of MC 6.5 and use it to AMA then convert all your footage. Then take that to your 5.5 system.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "bartekz" wrote:
> >
> > -unfortunatly I am limited to MC 5.5.3...
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Robert Lawson wrote:
> > >
> > > Avid added AMA support for AVCHD files in version 6.0.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Rob Lawson
> > > System Administrator, ACSR ISIS, Windows & Interplay
> > > CBS News
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 8:12 AM, bartekz wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear L2,
> > > >
> > > > here is my scenario:
> > > >
> > > > I am about to cut a half hour documentary from about 30 hours of AVCHD
> > > > footage, shot on Sony FS100. I need to import into MC 5.5.3 but I am not
> > > > sure exactly what codec is acceptable for a master on PAL-DVCAM and
> > > > internet. I did a few tests and I can see the difference in the detail
> > > > between low-to-high data rate codecs, but will this matter in the
> > > > down-convert? My project will be down-converted for broadcast in SD.
> > > >
> > > > Since drive space is an issue for me can I:
> > > >
> > > > -import at DNxHD 36 or Apple ProRes Proxy via FCP and still be fine for
> > > > the final PAL master? The internet file will be compressed H.264 so I
> > > > reason the lossy/offline codecs here are fine?
> > > >
> > > > -or must I import at a higher data rate codec for some reasons of major
> > > > consequence?
> > > >
> > > > -is Clipwrap ok for the conversion here? I believe MC 5.5 can't do AMA
> > > > then transcode, only import.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
>

With best wishes,
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RE: [Avid-L2] Mac OSx 10.7.x (I'm Behind the curve!)

do it! do it! do it!

just dont do 10.8, it sux for anyone having to use avchd or ex type footage as they now 'bundle' the folders as a package at the file level, bad for file management and ama


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Subject: [Avid-L2] Mac OSx 10.7.x (I'm Behind the curve!)



I'm going to update our Mac Avid systems to 6.5.2 over the next few
days, but I've noticed they're mostly still on Mac OSx 10.7.3 or .4

Any reason to update to 10.7.5 ? Any gain? Any reason not to?
According to the grid, 10.7.3 is still supported.

gh

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