Saturday, June 20, 2015

Re: [Avid-L2] HP Work Station recommendations

 

I very much agree with this. This is why I buy refurbished HP's.

On 20 jun. 2015, at 10:46, 'Pat Horridge' pat@horridge.org.uk [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I generally find the best value is the model one under the latest one. So the 820 for me till an 860 comes then the 840 will be a good price.

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[Avid-L2] Re: New Mixing Board needed - Suggestions?

 

Alan, USB mics?

DD

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: HP Work Station recommendations

 

... And the price of eBay 820s sees a sudden inexplicable leap..

On 20 Jun 2015, at 9:43 pm, 'Nigel Gourley' avid-l@outpostfacilities.co.uk [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

That's me as well.. One older than the latest and greatest is by far the best performance/price combo.

 

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Sent: 20 June 2015 09:47
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: HP Work Station recommendations

 

 

We have a mixture of Z400 Z420 Z800 & Z820 machines

All work brilliantly. The 420 and 820 have the benefit of USB3 native on board.

Our online finishing system is an HP Z820 with dual hexcore 48GB RAM RAID 0 SSD drives and it's a real workhorse.

I generally find the best value is the model one under the latest one. So the 820 for me till an 860 comes then the 840 will be a good price.

 

Pat Horridge
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RE: [Avid-L2] Re: HP Work Station recommendations

 

That’s me as well.. One older than the latest and greatest is by far the best performance/price combo.

 

From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com]
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Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: HP Work Station recommendations

 

 

We have a mixture of Z400 Z420 Z800 & Z820 machines

All work brilliantly. The 420 and 820 have the benefit of USB3 native on board.

Our online finishing system is an HP Z820 with dual hexcore 48GB RAM RAID 0 SSD drives and it’s a real workhorse.

I generally find the best value is the model one under the latest one. So the 820 for me till an 860 comes then the 840 will be a good price.

 

Pat Horridge
Technical Director, Trainer, Avid Certified Instructor
VET
Production    Editing     Digital Media     Design     DVD
T +44 (0)20 7505 4701 | F +44 (0)20 7505 4800 | E pat@vet.co.uk |
www.vet.co.uk | Lux Building 2-4 Hoxton Square  London N1 6US

 

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[Avid-L2] Re: HP Work Station recommendations

 

Not sure if you know about this but HP has a "refurbished" store. I have purchased a lot of systems through them over the years.


HP Business Outlet | HP

 



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[Avid-L2] Re: HP Work Station recommendations

 

We have a mixture of Z400 Z420 Z800 & Z820 machines

All work brilliantly. The 420 and 820 have the benefit of USB3 native on board.

Our online finishing system is an HP Z820 with dual hexcore 48GB RAM RAID 0 SSD drives and it’s a real workhorse.

I generally find the best value is the model one under the latest one. So the 820 for me till an 860 comes then the 840 will be a good price.

 

Pat Horridge
Technical Director, Trainer, Avid Certified Instructor
VET
Production    Editing     Digital Media     Design     DVD
T +44 (0)20 7505 4701 | F +44 (0)20 7505 4800 | E pat@vet.co.uk |
www.vet.co.uk | Lux Building 2-4 Hoxton Square  London N1 6US

 

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Friday, June 19, 2015

Re: [Avid-L2] Confessions of an Avid Product Designer

 

Asked? I thought he insisted! :) 

Good to hear from you.

-greg

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Roger Shufflebottom rogershuff@yahoo.co.uk [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Good stuff - good to hear from you. I recall demoing Media Composer with you on Audiovision at a show in London many years ago.
 
With Best Wishes,
Roger Shufflebottom
+44 7973 543 660


From: "mustbhe@yahoo.com [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [Avid-L2] Confessions of an Avid Product Designer

 
Hey everybody,
I was asked by a few folks about some of my "times" at Avid.  Here's a podcast of me discussing my 20+ year history with the company, including my "badge of honor" story about the day Steve Jobs asked David Krall to fire me by name.  It's the first time I've ever told that story publicly. Good times!

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Re: [Avid-L2] HP Work Station recommendations

 

The bigger problem there is not that it wouldn't work, but that you will have a very hard time getting support if you are running the software on an unsupported machine. Avid's support teams will have a clear path to wiping their hands of your support requests if you're not running on an Avid-qualified system. So I agree with Wilson - run it on whatever you like, and it might well perform adequately. But the caveat remains that if you go off-reservation, don't expect to have your support contract hold up.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Wilson Chao wilsonchao@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Whoa, not so fast - you might want to reconsider your choice.

Here's my understanding of what it means to be an "Avid qualified" machine...   Take a look at the current list:


At the very bottom of this Avid list you'll see that the Dell M4600 is "qualified" for MC 8.3, with no limitations.   This is 4-year-old laptop running an Intel quad-core i7 (with hyperthreading) at 2.2 Ghz.  (BTW, I use one of these old warhorses as my personal carry-around Avid and it works just fine at DNxHD resolutions.)

And at the very top of this Avid list you'll see that the HP Z840 is "qualified" but only if it has dual 8, 10, or 12 core Xeon processors.  However, HP now lists 19 processors as options for the Z840 from a 6-core single-threaded Xeon, to an 18-core hyperthreaded Xeon.

Avid engineering doesn't have the time to test every possible option of every make & model of computer; they have to limit their "qualification" to a selection of machines they deem most useful for their predicted market.  The fact that for the Z840 they have only tested a few of the Xeons, and only in dual-processor rigs, doesn't mean that no other configurations work.

In fact, I'll bet that lots of other "not qualified" configurations will work just fine, or even better.  If a dual 8-core is "qualified" I'll wager that the single 18-core works too.  But a single 18-core costs more than even dual 12-cores, so there's not gonna be much demand from Avid users for that configuration, and Avid isn't gonna test it so it'll never get "qualified."

If a Z840 is your preferred machine, sure, go ahead & buy it, but feel free to choose whatever processor(s) make sense for the work you're going to do.  You can always upgrade processors later.

Disclaimer: I don't speak for Avid; I'm just an end-user making television.  YMMV.







On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Michael McDade mm.tv@mac.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Ok. So HP Z840s have to have a dual processor to have it AVID qualified.
That's makes a big price difference. Thanks. I'll look at refurbished 820s. 
Are new Z machines dues this November? Do they cycle new ones every year or 2 years. 

Mike McDade


On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:03 PM, namyrb namyrb@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

That system only has 1 processor so you'll need to spend more than that if you want an avid qualified system which requires 2 processors. 

On Wednesday, June 17, 2015, McDade mm.tv@mac.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Thanks


The model I listed was just under 4k, I get government pricing, but will look at z820 refurbished units as well.


On Jun 17, 2015, at 2:59 PM, "'Job ter Burg (L2B)' Job_L2@terburg.com [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 


Get a refurbished z820 spec'd to Avid's support configurations list. Way more bang for the buck and will handle HD really well. I don't think any of the Avid spec'd z840 models can be had for 4k USD. Oh, and Win7, not 8.1.

On 17 jun. 2015, at 18:39, mm.tv@mac.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



I'm moving over for the first time from a Mac Pro to a HP workstation to run MC 8,1- Sym. Option. I'm currently working mostly with HD and very little 2k or 4k footage. Currently looking at the Z840 K7P07UT model. 
RMT Xeon 8C E5-2630 v3 2.4GHz, 256 ssd boot drive, 32 gig ram, Thuderbolt 2, Quadra K4200.
Should I still run on Windows 7  vs.  8.1 ? Other thoughts? Trying to keep the cost around 4k. Thank you in advance. Avid Configuration Guidelines was helpful and might have to go to the E5-2667v3 @ 3.2Ghz.





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RE: [Avid-L2] HP Work Station recommendations

 

BTW: The Thunderbolt card takes the exact same slot as the Nitris DX and there's only one of those slots. :-(

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RE: [Avid-L2] HP Work Station recommendations

 

My Z820 has USB 3 built in. You can add the Thunderbolt card, I think that is what you meant.



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"Z820 handy because you get USB3 although you can add a card to the Z800" 

 

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Re: [Avid-L2] HP Work Station recommendations

 

Whoa, not so fast - you might want to reconsider your choice.

Here's my understanding of what it means to be an "Avid qualified" machine...   Take a look at the current list:


At the very bottom of this Avid list you'll see that the Dell M4600 is "qualified" for MC 8.3, with no limitations.   This is 4-year-old laptop running an Intel quad-core i7 (with hyperthreading) at 2.2 Ghz.  (BTW, I use one of these old warhorses as my personal carry-around Avid and it works just fine at DNxHD resolutions.)

And at the very top of this Avid list you'll see that the HP Z840 is "qualified" but only if it has dual 8, 10, or 12 core Xeon processors.  However, HP now lists 19 processors as options for the Z840 from a 6-core single-threaded Xeon, to an 18-core hyperthreaded Xeon.

Avid engineering doesn't have the time to test every possible option of every make & model of computer; they have to limit their "qualification" to a selection of machines they deem most useful for their predicted market.  The fact that for the Z840 they have only tested a few of the Xeons, and only in dual-processor rigs, doesn't mean that no other configurations work.

In fact, I'll bet that lots of other "not qualified" configurations will work just fine, or even better.  If a dual 8-core is "qualified" I'll wager that the single 18-core works too.  But a single 18-core costs more than even dual 12-cores, so there's not gonna be much demand from Avid users for that configuration, and Avid isn't gonna test it so it'll never get "qualified."

If a Z840 is your preferred machine, sure, go ahead & buy it, but feel free to choose whatever processor(s) make sense for the work you're going to do.  You can always upgrade processors later.

Disclaimer: I don't speak for Avid; I'm just an end-user making television.  YMMV.







On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Michael McDade mm.tv@mac.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Ok. So HP Z840s have to have a dual processor to have it AVID qualified.
That's makes a big price difference. Thanks. I'll look at refurbished 820s. 
Are new Z machines dues this November? Do they cycle new ones every year or 2 years. 

Mike McDade


On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:03 PM, namyrb namyrb@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

That system only has 1 processor so you'll need to spend more than that if you want an avid qualified system which requires 2 processors. 

On Wednesday, June 17, 2015, McDade mm.tv@mac.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Thanks


The model I listed was just under 4k, I get government pricing, but will look at z820 refurbished units as well.


On Jun 17, 2015, at 2:59 PM, "'Job ter Burg (L2B)' Job_L2@terburg.com [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 


Get a refurbished z820 spec'd to Avid's support configurations list. Way more bang for the buck and will handle HD really well. I don't think any of the Avid spec'd z840 models can be had for 4k USD. Oh, and Win7, not 8.1.

On 17 jun. 2015, at 18:39, mm.tv@mac.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



I'm moving over for the first time from a Mac Pro to a HP workstation to run MC 8,1- Sym. Option. I'm currently working mostly with HD and very little 2k or 4k footage. Currently looking at the Z840 K7P07UT model. 
RMT Xeon 8C E5-2630 v3 2.4GHz, 256 ssd boot drive, 32 gig ram, Thuderbolt 2, Quadra K4200.
Should I still run on Windows 7  vs.  8.1 ? Other thoughts? Trying to keep the cost around 4k. Thank you in advance. Avid Configuration Guidelines was helpful and might have to go to the E5-2667v3 @ 3.2Ghz.




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