Re: [Avid-L2] Isolating Dialogue with M&E?

If you are inverting phase + experiencing phasing on the output, then you might want to also try adding advance/delay to tracks as the M+E may have had slightly different paths to the DM+E. Especially old school sources where VO was added by bouncing from A3&4 to A1&2.

Move in subframe increments as you preview the two sources played against each other.

This is the kind of thing AI should be making way easier...

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Re: [Avid-L2] Isolating Dialogue with M&E?

I'm going to weigh in and say thanks for this tip -- 

I often work with archival tracks, and reversing the phase is the only trick we have to isolate the dialogue -- sometimes it works like magic, and other times it doesn't work at all.

As big a PITA as it is, I can't wait to try it again with this new tip -- thank you!

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On Friday, May 12, 2023 at 06:02:16 PM EDT, Mark Spano <cutandcover@gmail.com> wrote:

If you're going to try to cancel out with phase, a good idea (since it's dialog you're after) is to sum to mono both your mix and M&E first. Much easier to then flip one out of phase and sum it with the other to extract what's left which (if everything else is aligned) should leave just dialog.

Otherwise, iZotope RX has some nice and kind of magical processing that can split apart stems in music tracks, and it could possibly work well to do this.

On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 4:01 PM John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

I was asked by a producer who has old masters that have been digitized with stereo mix and M&E stems if there is a way to get just the sound bit dialogue clean.  Of course the "AI" term was thrown in to the mix as part of the question.  I don't have the file yet but was thinking about the old invert the phase, like noise cancelling headphones, to cancel the M&E audio during the sound bites.  Anybody got any suggestions for voodoo audio tech to strip out just the dialogue from a full mix?

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net

Re: [Avid-L2] Isolating Dialogue with M&E?

This thread is very informing.  Going back to the initial days of Discovery requiring Dialogue norm etc... I've wondered what the under the hood magic is that can differentiate dialogue over other sound, especially when it's in the same frequency range.  Anybody got some broad stroke ideas of what the algorithms/process that are being used to accomplish this feat.  I remember Avid script sync was based on phonetic analysis from the 3rd party company.  Is there an "AI" aspect of how software/hardware can recognize dialogue out of a mix.  With the pace of speech varying and all the other variables it's mind boggling to me how this is done.  Also are there elements of voice recognition involved it the process, like the way you have to load different language packets for script sync to work?  I miss the days when I could at least attempt to suss things out with a dual trace scope and a volt meter. 

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Re: [Avid-L2] Isolating Dialogue with M&E?

I too use iZotope RX 10 Dialog Isolate. It's pretty good but only available as part of their $1200 Advanced bundle/version. Izotope often has sales, but that's a chunk of change. OTOH, the Advanced version provides a lot of good tools.

So two other options:

DaVinci Resolve Voice Isolation in the Studio (ie- $300 USD version).

I don't have any experience with that, but I'm sure you can google up more info.

Extract:Dialog from Acorn Digital

Some post audio pals really like this plug-in. They just released version 1.5, it's available as AU, VST, VST3 or AAX. The developer(s) seem really responsive. And it's only $99 USD. Worth checking out, IMO: 

https://acondigital.com/products/extract-dialogue/

Jim

On May 12, 2023, at 2:21 PM, Ofer Raveh <o.raveh@att.net> wrote:

Hi John,

We use the iZotope RX 10 advanced package which includes the dialogue isolate avid plugin.

Best,

Ofer Raveh

On Friday, May 12, 2023 at 01:01:32 PM PDT, John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

I was asked by a producer who has old masters that have been digitized with stereo mix and M&E stems if there is a way to get just the sound bit dialogue clean.  Of course the "AI" term was thrown in to the mix as part of the question.  I don't have the file yet but was thinking about the old invert the phase, like noise cancelling headphones, to cancel the M&E audio during the sound bites.  Anybody got any suggestions for voodoo audio tech to strip out just the dialogue from a full mix?

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net

Re: [Avid-L2] Isolating Dialogue with M&E?

Summing the tracks is a brilliant idea.  I can see how that might simplify any complications induced by stereo image of the M&E and even the dialogue.  So simple yet so smart, I love learning these kind of things.

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Thanks for the info good to know there is stuff out there for this situation.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Isolating Dialogue with M&E?

If you're going to try to cancel out with phase, a good idea (since it's dialog you're after) is to sum to mono both your mix and M&E first. Much easier to then flip one out of phase and sum it with the other to extract what's left which (if everything else is aligned) should leave just dialog.

Otherwise, iZotope RX has some nice and kind of magical processing that can split apart stems in music tracks, and it could possibly work well to do this.

On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 4:01 PM John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

I was asked by a producer who has old masters that have been digitized with stereo mix and M&E stems if there is a way to get just the sound bit dialogue clean.  Of course the "AI" term was thrown in to the mix as part of the question.  I don't have the file yet but was thinking about the old invert the phase, like noise cancelling headphones, to cancel the M&E audio during the sound bites.  Anybody got any suggestions for voodoo audio tech to strip out just the dialogue from a full mix?

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net

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Re: [Avid-L2] Isolating Dialogue with M&E?

Hi John,

We use the iZotope RX 10 advanced package which includes the dialogue isolate avid plugin.

Best,

Ofer Raveh

On Friday, May 12, 2023 at 01:01:32 PM PDT, John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

I was asked by a producer who has old masters that have been digitized with stereo mix and M&E stems if there is a way to get just the sound bit dialogue clean.  Of course the "AI" term was thrown in to the mix as part of the question.  I don't have the file yet but was thinking about the old invert the phase, like noise cancelling headphones, to cancel the M&E audio during the sound bites.  Anybody got any suggestions for voodoo audio tech to strip out just the dialogue from a full mix?

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net

[Avid-L2] Isolating Dialogue with M&E?

I was asked by a producer who has old masters that have been digitized with stereo mix and M&E stems if there is a way to get just the sound bit dialogue clean.  Of course the "AI" term was thrown in to the mix as part of the question.  I don't have the file yet but was thinking about the old invert the phase, like noise cancelling headphones, to cancel the M&E audio during the sound bites.  Anybody got any suggestions for voodoo audio tech to strip out just the dialogue from a full mix?

John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net

Re: [Avid-L2] Marianna

Hey Chris…

 

Job reached out to me and was able to get thru.  I have had a few folks report blocking, and they have all been gmail.  I have asked IT to look into it.

 

How can I help you?

 

Marianna

 

 

Marianna Montague
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marianna.montague@avid.com 

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[Avid-L2] Marianna

Anyone have a current email for Marianna?

Just had an email bounce back, thanks!

Chip Hess
CFH3 Media

Re: [Avid-L2] mono audio channel mapping on import ?

Got this note from the MC facebook group.

Issue the "audioextras" command in the Media Composer console, and six from the bottom in that dialog there is a box for "Ignore file name track numbers when importing". This, in conjunction with turning off "autodetect monophonic groups", will do what you want. I tested it just now to be sure (which is how I know you also have to turn off "autodetect monophonic groups" in the import settings.)

The exception to this would be if the iXML metadata inside the wave file is claiming the file is for track 4, in which case you'd have to turn off the iXML as well, but doing that could cost you other valuable metadata.

And it totally works.

Jay

On May 9, 2023, at 9:41 AM, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

I don't think they would make a mistake, I just want to minimize the mouse click work for them when possible.  

But yes, I should contact our pre-dub person and find out if this will be an issue.

Jay

On May 9, 2023, at 9:38 AM, bouke <bouke@editb.nl> wrote:

I would think a half decent mixer would not make a mistake.

Renaming 'should' be possible if the files have an UUID, relink should be done based on that, NOT on filename.

Bouke / edit 'B

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On 9 May 2023, at 16:04, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Received some audio files from an ADR session.  In their naming from the sound department they end with -01, -02, -03, etc.  These are mono files of different takes.  When I import them the files map to audio tracks based on that end number.  How can I get all these mono files to each map to A1?

I won't consider renaming the files because when this goes to pre-dub and mix they will have the originals and the AAFs will need to relink in ProTools based on the file name.

Thank you,

Jay

Re: [Avid-L2] mono audio channel mapping on import ?

I don't think they would make a mistake, I just want to minimize the mouse click work for them when possible.  

But yes, I should contact our pre-dub person and find out if this will be an issue.

Jay

On May 9, 2023, at 9:38 AM, bouke <bouke@editb.nl> wrote:

I would think a half decent mixer would not make a mistake.

Renaming 'should' be possible if the files have an UUID, relink should be done based on that, NOT on filename.

Bouke / edit 'B

videotoolshed.com
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If you want to send me large files, please use:
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On 9 May 2023, at 16:04, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Received some audio files from an ADR session.  In their naming from the sound department they end with -01, -02, -03, etc.  These are mono files of different takes.  When I import them the files map to audio tracks based on that end number.  How can I get all these mono files to each map to A1?

I won't consider renaming the files because when this goes to pre-dub and mix they will have the originals and the AAFs will need to relink in ProTools based on the file name.

Thank you,

Jay

Re: [Avid-L2] mono audio channel mapping on import ?

I would think a half decent mixer would not make a mistake.

Renaming 'should' be possible if the files have an UUID, relink should be done based on that, NOT on filename.

Bouke / edit 'B

videotoolshed.com
Van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
6512 AS Nijmegen, the Netherlands
+31 6 21817248
If you want to send me large files, please use:
https://videotoolshed.wetransfer.com/

On 9 May 2023, at 16:04, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Received some audio files from an ADR session.  In their naming from the sound department they end with -01, -02, -03, etc.  These are mono files of different takes.  When I import them the files map to audio tracks based on that end number.  How can I get all these mono files to each map to A1?

I won't consider renaming the files because when this goes to pre-dub and mix they will have the originals and the AAFs will need to relink in ProTools based on the file name.

Thank you,

Jay

Re: [Avid-L2] mono audio channel mapping on import ?

Jay --

I remember having the same issue, and yeah, getting 24 VO takes was really a pain as everything got mapped to 24 different tracks.

I'm not 100% sure if this was the answer, but on the Import options, in the IMAGE tab, there is a box that says "Auto-detect Sequentially Numbered Files."

Check that box and cross your fingers...   :-)

-- Sol

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Editor: Image & Sound

914-525-2579

www.solfischler.com

On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 10:17:46 AM EDT, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

There's a setting to select if it does the files as mono groups, making multi-channel clips from mono files, but that's different than my issue.  

I have 5 different mono files of different takes.  They import as 5 clips.  But tk1 imports to a single clip mapped to A1.  Tk2 imports to a single clip mapped to A2.  Tk5 imports as a single clip mapped to A5.

Jay

On May 9, 2023, at 9:13 AM, JBeck <jb30343@windstream.net> wrote:

I'm not in front of a editing system right now so I don't have the exact wording but there's a check box in your audio import settings. JB 

On May 9, 2023, at 9:07 AM, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:



Received some audio files from an ADR session.  In their naming from the sound department they end with -01, -02, -03, etc.  These are mono files of different takes.  When I import them the files map to audio tracks based on that end number.  How can I get all these mono files to each map to A1?

I won't consider renaming the files because when this goes to pre-dub and mix they will have the originals and the AAFs will need to relink in ProTools based on the file name.

Thank you,

Jay

Re: [Avid-L2] mono audio channel mapping on import ?

There's a setting to select if it does the files as mono groups, making multi-channel clips from mono files, but that's different than my issue.  

I have 5 different mono files of different takes.  They import as 5 clips.  But tk1 imports to a single clip mapped to A1.  Tk2 imports to a single clip mapped to A2.  Tk5 imports as a single clip mapped to A5.

Jay

On May 9, 2023, at 9:13 AM, JBeck <jb30343@windstream.net> wrote:

I'm not in front of a editing system right now so I don't have the exact wording but there's a check box in your audio import settings. JB 

On May 9, 2023, at 9:07 AM, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:



Received some audio files from an ADR session.  In their naming from the sound department they end with -01, -02, -03, etc.  These are mono files of different takes.  When I import them the files map to audio tracks based on that end number.  How can I get all these mono files to each map to A1?

I won't consider renaming the files because when this goes to pre-dub and mix they will have the originals and the AAFs will need to relink in ProTools based on the file name.

Thank you,

Jay

Re: [Avid-L2] mono audio channel mapping on import ?

I'm not in front of a editing system right now so I don't have the exact wording but there's a check box in your audio import settings. JB 

On May 9, 2023, at 9:07 AM, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:



Received some audio files from an ADR session.  In their naming from the sound department they end with -01, -02, -03, etc.  These are mono files of different takes.  When I import them the files map to audio tracks based on that end number.  How can I get all these mono files to each map to A1?

I won't consider renaming the files because when this goes to pre-dub and mix they will have the originals and the AAFs will need to relink in ProTools based on the file name.

Thank you,

Jay

[Avid-L2] mono audio channel mapping on import ?

Received some audio files from an ADR session.  In their naming from the sound department they end with -01, -02, -03, etc.  These are mono files of different takes.  When I import them the files map to audio tracks based on that end number.  How can I get all these mono files to each map to A1?

I won't consider renaming the files because when this goes to pre-dub and mix they will have the originals and the AAFs will need to relink in ProTools based on the file name.

Thank you,

Jay