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My name is Mrs.Julianna Stefan Ndoi,I am a deaf woman and also a cancer
patient who had decided to donate what I have to you for God's works. I
want to donate $8.5 million to you so that you will use part of the this
fund to help the poor ones,while you use the rest for your family.If you
are interested,Respond now for more details on how to receive this fund.
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Mi nombre es Sra. Julianna Stefan Ndoi, soy una hermana sorda ... Soy
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Decidн donarles lo que tengo para las obras de Dios. Quiero donar
$ 8.5 millones para usted para que use parte de este fondo para ayudar
los pobres, mientras que el resto lo usas para tu familia.
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[Avid-L2] Netflix DolbyVision IMF creation using Resolve 15.3.1 or 16.2.6?
I'm currently trying to get On Boarded for Netflix DolbyVision IMF creation. I've been fine delivering SDR IMFs with them taking the DPX from Avid into Resolve and making the IMF with Resolve.
I know how to import the xml metadata for the DolbyVision trim info and I see it working but the Netflix test requires cutting in the Netflix ID at the top of the show. That would be simple in SDR but what I don't see is way to attach the Dolby Vision XML metadata to the actual clips so when I add the Netflix logo at the top the proper DolbyVision Metadata is there. I only see import DolbyVision Metadata in the Dolby Vision Tab of the color page and that seems to add it to the sequence. That works but I don't see any Dolby Data track. I could easily cut in the Netflix Logo but I don't see how to import the two individual DolbyVision XMLs and either attach them to the two clips or into some sort of a Data track.
I'm googling and researching. I wonder if I made I made two separate sequences importing the specific DolbyVision XML to each sequence. Does Resolve allow editing a sequence into another sequence like Avid does. Being new to the HDR IMF process I'm wondering if there is some sort of Data Track equivalent like they do for closed captioning in Resolve.
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Re: [Avid-L2] Delivery to PBS from Avid with embedded captions
I only deliver directly to PBS maybe once a year, on average. I sat
through a early version of a webinar (conference call while looking at a
website) on containerization back when PBS started down that road.
Every single one of the PBS people I've worked with since seemed to want
to avoid it. So, lucky me, I've never had to deliver containerized to PBS.
I do agree with and maybe go a little farther than Wilson on the choice
between DNxHD 145 and XDCAM50. Both are 4:2:2 chroma subsampling. Both
are typically 8 bit. DNxHD is intraframe. XDCAM is interframe. That
allows XDCAM 50 to make much better use of its 50 mbps than DNxHD makes
of its 145 mbps. XDCAM uses more complex math but modern processors are
more than up to the task. In theory, XDCAM might suffer in some
instances of really fast changing shots but I've never noticed a big
problem. On fairly static scenes, XDCAM is, in theory, quite a bit
better. That said, I doubt I could consistently and correctly pick
which codec is which in a blind test. At the facility where I work,
everything goes into the broadcast server as XDCAM 50 and is transcoded
from there. So, it's to my advantage to work in XDCAM when I can to
avoid transcodes.
--J.B.
Jef Huey wrote:
>
> Hi JB,
> Thanks for responding. Interesting comment about XDCam50. We have
> used that path via AME with success. But trying DNx145 via AME did
> not work. Odd.
>
> One big question - were the shows you delivered to PBS containerized?
> That is where our issues occurred.
>
> On a side note, PBS has published a 2020 TOS. One big thing is that
> they will now accept DNx220 and DNx220x files. This is great seeing
> as how most of the the shows sent to us to prepare for PBS are ProRes
> HQ. Even dumbing them down to DNx145 has always felt bad to me. And
> I fight like heck to avoid XDCam50.
>
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website) on containerization back when PBS started down that road.
Every single one of the PBS people I've worked with since seemed to want
to avoid it. So, lucky me, I've never had to deliver containerized to PBS.
I do agree with and maybe go a little farther than Wilson on the choice
between DNxHD 145 and XDCAM50. Both are 4:2:2 chroma subsampling. Both
are typically 8 bit. DNxHD is intraframe. XDCAM is interframe. That
allows XDCAM 50 to make much better use of its 50 mbps than DNxHD makes
of its 145 mbps. XDCAM uses more complex math but modern processors are
more than up to the task. In theory, XDCAM might suffer in some
instances of really fast changing shots but I've never noticed a big
problem. On fairly static scenes, XDCAM is, in theory, quite a bit
better. That said, I doubt I could consistently and correctly pick
which codec is which in a blind test. At the facility where I work,
everything goes into the broadcast server as XDCAM 50 and is transcoded
from there. So, it's to my advantage to work in XDCAM when I can to
avoid transcodes.
--J.B.
Jef Huey wrote:
>
> Hi JB,
> Thanks for responding. Interesting comment about XDCam50. We have
> used that path via AME with success. But trying DNx145 via AME did
> not work. Odd.
>
> One big question - were the shows you delivered to PBS containerized?
> That is where our issues occurred.
>
> On a side note, PBS has published a 2020 TOS. One big thing is that
> they will now accept DNx220 and DNx220x files. This is great seeing
> as how most of the the shows sent to us to prepare for PBS are ProRes
> HQ. Even dumbing them down to DNx145 has always felt bad to me. And
> I fight like heck to avoid XDCam50.
>
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On Oct 31, 2020, at 12:24, Greg Huson <greg@secrethq.com> wrote:
I have a few USB dongles left from closing down my larger office, which are still current, if you'd like to move back to the 90s - at least for licensing. I'm running 2019.12.1, but I think these will run anything released up to February 2021.________________________Greg HusonSecret Headquarters, IncGK Huson, LLCGreg (at) SecretHQ.comwww.SecretHQ.comOn Oct 31, 2020, at 12:13, David Dodson <davaldod@gmail.com> wrote:For three days I have been trying to renew my MC account through the Avid web site. But every time I go to check out, I get the same message:"We are unable to process your request at this time. Apologies for the inconvenience. Please try again later."So I do try again later. Several times a day, in fact. Again, going on three days now.I've tried three different browsers, but to no avail.Anyone else having this issue?Thanks,David<Screen Shot 2020-10-30 at 6.12.02 AM.png>
Re: [Avid-L2] Account Renewal Frustration
I have a few USB dongles left from closing down my larger office, which are still current, if you'd like to move back to the 90s - at least for licensing. I'm running 2019.12.1, but I think these will run anything released up to February 2021.
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On Oct 31, 2020, at 12:13, David Dodson <davaldod@gmail.com> wrote:
For three days I have been trying to renew my MC account through the Avid web site. But every time I go to check out, I get the same message:"We are unable to process your request at this time. Apologies for the inconvenience. Please try again later."So I do try again later. Several times a day, in fact. Again, going on three days now.I've tried three different browsers, but to no avail.Anyone else having this issue?Thanks,David<Screen Shot 2020-10-30 at 6.12.02 AM.png>
[Avid-L2] Account Renewal Frustration
For three days I have been trying to renew my MC account through the Avid web site. But every time I go to check out, I get the same message:
"We are unable to process your request at this time. Apologies for the inconvenience. Please try again later."
So I do try again later. Several times a day, in fact. Again, going on three days now.
I've tried three different browsers, but to no avail.
Anyone else having this issue?
Thanks,
David
Re: [Avid-L2] Delivery to PBS from Avid with embedded captions
Jef,
I started delivering XDCAM 50 to PBS some years back when that was their first and only approved file delivery format (around 2014 if memory serves), and then started delivering DNx145 after that was approved. This past March I delivered 3 hours of XDCAM 50 to APT which is a major syndicator to PBS stations (APT has their own TOS and they only accept XDCAM 50, not DNxHD); FYI those shows can be seen here:
In all cases I delivered embedded captions. The PBS shows (XDCAM and DNxHD) were containerized; the APT shows were not. PBS and APT also required .SCC files (in their deliverables list) so I'm guessing this would allow them to fix any problems with captions.
Frankly, the higher bit-rate codecs have no advantage over XDCAM 50 in terms of the visual quality delivered to home viewers. Many PBS stations are dividing their legally-allocated bandwidth into several independent broadcast signals, each of which may be as little as 5 megabits/second. With the pandemic forcing so many of us to work from home over consumer-grade connections (with asymetrical bandwidth, better downstream than upstream) I really appreciate the lower bit-rate codecs.
In solidarity,
Wilson Chao
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Hi JB,
Thanks for responding. Interesting comment about XDCam50. We have used that path via AME with success. But trying DNx145 via AME did not work. Odd.One big question - were the shows you delivered to PBS containerized? That is where our issues occurred.
On a side note, PBS has published a 2020 TOS. One big thing is that they will now accept DNx220 and DNx220x files. This is great seeing as how most of the the shows sent to us to prepare for PBS are ProRes HQ. Even dumbing them down to DNx145 has always felt bad to me. And I fight like heck to avoid XDCam50.
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Hi JB,
Thanks for responding. Interesting comment about XDCam50. We have used that path via AME with success. But trying DNx145 via AME did not work. Odd.
One big question - were the shows you delivered to PBS containerized? That is where our issues occurred.
On a side note, PBS has published a 2020 TOS. One big thing is that they will now accept DNx220 and DNx220x files. This is great seeing as how most of the the shows sent to us to prepare for PBS are ProRes HQ. Even dumbing them down to DNx145 has always felt bad to me. And I fight like heck to avoid XDCam50.
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Re: [Avid-L2] Saving private ryan effect
You can use Real Smart Motion Blur 'in reverse' to remove existing motion blur in footage.
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Thanks Jay, Great read.Years ago I read someone figured out how to do something similar with an effect. Just don't remember what it was. Obviously it won't have the crispness of the image but....Paul Darrigo
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323-244-8020On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 10:58:26 PM PDT, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:If you mean the staccato, no blur look of the action sequences? It was shot that way with a fast shutter.JayOn Oct 30, 2020, at 12:29 AM, Paul Darrigo <fedguy2@pacbell.net> wrote:Hi
Does anyone know the sfx in avid to do the SPR effect?
Thanks
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Re: [Avid-L2] Delivery to PBS from Avid with embedded captions
I've done file delivery to PBS with embedded captions. I deliver to them as MXF with XDCAM50. I haven't had a problem with captions. Have you tried bringing the MXF file back into your system to see if the captions behave as expected? JB
On Oct 30, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Jef Huey <jlhueyc2@gmail.com> wrote:
In the past (several years ago) we were delivering MXF Op1a DNx 145 files to PBS with embedded captions. Then something happened somewhere and the files we were sending to PBS were not working for them. It had to do with PBS's containerization needs. It seemed like the Clear Screen commands were not working any more in the files we were making, even though it seemed correct on our end. PBS tech was also at a loss. So we went to sending .scc files.
We would like to go back to the embedded methodology if possible.
I am writing to see if anybody on the list is currently successfully delivering to PBS in the manner I have described.
Cheers,
Jef
[Avid-L2] Delivery to PBS from Avid with embedded captions
In the past (several years ago) we were delivering MXF Op1a DNx 145 files to PBS with embedded captions. Then something happened somewhere and the files we were sending to PBS were not working for them. It had to do with PBS’s containerization needs. It seemed like the Clear Screen commands were not working any more in the files we were making, even though it seemed correct on our end. PBS tech was also at a loss. So we went to sending .scc files.
We would like to go back to the embedded methodology if possible.
I am writing to see if anybody on the list is currently successfully delivering to PBS in the manner I have described.
Cheers,
Jef
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I am writing to see if anybody on the list is currently successfully delivering to PBS in the manner I have described.
Cheers,
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Thanks Jay, Great read.
Years ago I read someone figured out how to do something similar with an effect. Just don't remember what it was. Obviously it won't have the crispness of the image but....
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If you mean the staccato, no blur look of the action sequences? It was shot that way with a fast shutter.
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Does anyone know the sfx in avid to do the SPR effect?
Thanks
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If you mean the staccato, no blur look of the action sequences? It was shot that way with a fast shutter.
Jay
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Does anyone know the sfx in avid to do the SPR effect?
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Does anyone know the sfx in avid to do the SPR effect?
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Re: [Avid-L2] Sony HDC-4300 4K live camera to switcher to KiPro recording Quadrant issue?
I'm thinking they used the 12G-SDI 4K/UHD/HD Recorder and Player
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It would seem this unit can input single link 1x12G or 3x 3G SDI. It can record 4 HD channels or a 4K signal in single channel mode. Given it is recording in essence 4 HD signals as one in single channel mode that might mean it works in a Quad Link manner under the hood. That would explain why only one quadrant is whacky, possibly? Just trying to take a stab. I have heard of single link (one cable), dual link (2 cables) and quad link (4 cables) but according to the spec sheet it has:
Video Input Digital
- 1x 12G-SDI, SMPTE-292/372/424/2081/2082
- 3x 3G-SDI, SMPTE-292/372/424
- 1x Fiber or HD-BNC 12G-SDI, SMPTE-297 (optional SFP modules)
- 3x Fiber or HD-BNC, 3G-SDI, SMPTE-297 (optional SFP modules)
- 4K/UltraHD 4:2:2 10bit & 4:4:4 10/12bit (BNC or Fiber)
- Dual Link 4:2:2 10bit & 4:4:4 10/12bit (BNC or Fiber)
- Single Link 4:2:2 10bit & 4:4:4 10/12bit (BNC or Fiber)
- 1x HDMI standard type A connector
- HDMI v2.0
- 4:4:4 RGB 8/10/12-bit (deep color)
- 4:2:2 YCbCr 8/10/12-bit
- 4:2:0 YCbCr 8-bit
I'm not familiar with 3x 3G-SDI, SMPTE-292/372/424. I would find out how the KiPros were feed a signal. Given the recorder has 4 HD channels under the hood that might be where things got off on one quadrant. Just guessing. I'm very interested in what the truck folks think might have happened.
Here's the link for what I think they used and part of the overview section that might apply to the issue:
Overview
Ki Pro Ultra 12G is a multi-channel Apple ProRes® recorder offering up to 4-channels of simultaneous HD recording, or in Single Channel mode, a 4K/UltraHD/2K/HD Apple ProRes or Avid DNxHR® recorder and player. Avid DNxHD® MXF is also supported up to HD formats in Single Channel mode.
Ki Pro Ultra 12G offers 12G-SDI single cable simplicity for large rasters and HDMI 2.0 digital video connectivity with HDR support for both recording and playback.
A wealth of analog and digital audio connectivity answers any project’s demand for efficient, powerful, and flexible workflows. For distance and remote needs, 12G and 3G Fiber SFP+ options are available. New v2.0 firmware adds the ability to record genlock free sources with frame sync support on inputs.
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[Avid-L2] Sony HDC-4300 4K live camera to switcher to KiPro recording Quadrant issue?
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Production shot a 4 camera shoot with Sony HDC-4300 cameras. It was a full production truck with a switcher. I don't know what kind of switcher at this point. They did a live switch and isos. The line and isos were recorded on KiPro recorders, don't know what model. They recorded to SSD Cards that were offloaded between performances. I'm told the KiPros recorded ProRes 422 UHD.
The problem is that several of the isos and I think some of the cameras on the line cut have issues with the lower left quadrant. When I heard this I figure there was some sort of quad link issue somewhere. I don't know anything other than above but more will be revealed tomorrow. According to the Post Producer who was in the truck during the shoot he thought he saw the issue after the first performance but had no time to check it because they had to offload the cards to make room for the second show.
According the the post producer the camera test files were with locked off shots that don't show the issue but when the camera is moving then the bottom left quadrant seems out of sync and off. I haven't seen the footage so I can't tell more than this now.
My first thought was some quad link timing issue. IIRC monitors have a window of tolerance for the quad link feeds but perhaps they are more forgiving than the KiPro recorders. I figure they would have seen the issues in the control room line cut and camera monitors and fixed the problem so I can only assume everything in the control room looked okay while they were recording. I think when the KiPros record they output an E to E signal so there is no confirmation head playback like in the tape days so maybe the recorders looked okay as they taped but on playback the problem arises.
I google the camera and it's control unit and it has 4 SDI outputs so I'm assuming it outputs only quad link but It wasn't obvious from a quick peak at the sony pro site. The HDC-4300 is described as an easy migration from HD to 4K so I'm thinking it may not offer the Dual Link or Single Link 4K feeds.
Bottom line is it must have looked okay in the control room for this not to be noticed during production and I can only think given the nature of the error showing up in the lower left quadrant that somewhere in the food chain quad link was involved. Why a static shot would be okay but a moving shot shows the issue I'm not sure of. Having not seen the footage I can't play along well. I would think the timing of one of the quad links being off wouldn't show a quadrant out of sync, or the post producer described the lower left quadrant looking like it had interlace errors.
I wonder if they had to convert the quadlink to single or dual link to record on the KiPros?
So many questions just wondering if anyone has any insight as to if I'm on the right track with thinking it's quad link issue. Could timing account for this? How can it look okay in the control room and during recording but not on playback?
Scratching my head.
John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net
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Production shot a 4 camera shoot with Sony HDC-4300 cameras. It was a full production truck with a switcher. I don't know what kind of switcher at this point. They did a live switch and isos. The line and isos were recorded on KiPro recorders, don't know what model. They recorded to SSD Cards that were offloaded between performances. I'm told the KiPros recorded ProRes 422 UHD.
The problem is that several of the isos and I think some of the cameras on the line cut have issues with the lower left quadrant. When I heard this I figure there was some sort of quad link issue somewhere. I don't know anything other than above but more will be revealed tomorrow. According to the Post Producer who was in the truck during the shoot he thought he saw the issue after the first performance but had no time to check it because they had to offload the cards to make room for the second show.
According the the post producer the camera test files were with locked off shots that don't show the issue but when the camera is moving then the bottom left quadrant seems out of sync and off. I haven't seen the footage so I can't tell more than this now.
My first thought was some quad link timing issue. IIRC monitors have a window of tolerance for the quad link feeds but perhaps they are more forgiving than the KiPro recorders. I figure they would have seen the issues in the control room line cut and camera monitors and fixed the problem so I can only assume everything in the control room looked okay while they were recording. I think when the KiPros record they output an E to E signal so there is no confirmation head playback like in the tape days so maybe the recorders looked okay as they taped but on playback the problem arises.
I google the camera and it's control unit and it has 4 SDI outputs so I'm assuming it outputs only quad link but It wasn't obvious from a quick peak at the sony pro site. The HDC-4300 us described as an easy migration from HD to 4K so I'm thinking it may not offer the Dual Link or Single Link 4K feeds.
Bottom line is it must have looked okay in the control room for this not to be noticed during production and I can only think given the nature of the error showing up in the lower left quadrant that somewhere in the food chain quad link was involved. Why a static shot would be okay but a moving shot shows the issue I'm not sure of. Having not seen the footage I can't play along well. I would think the timing of one of the quad links being off wouldn't show a quadrant out of sync, or the post producer described the lower left quadrant looking like it had interlace errors.
I wonder if they had to convert the quadlink to single or dual link to record on the KiPros?
So many questions just wondering if anyone has any insight as to if I'm on the right track with thinking it's quad link issue. Could timing account for this? How can it look okay in the control room and during recording but not on playback?
Scratching my head.
John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net
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Production shot a 4 camera shoot with Sony HDC-4300 cameras. It was a full production truck with a switcher. I don't know what kind of switcher at this point. They did a live switch and isos. The line and isos were recorded on KiPro recorders, don't know what model. They recorded to SSD Cards that were offloaded between performances. I'm told the KiPros recorded ProRes 422 UHD.
The problem is that several of the isos and a think some of the cameras on the line cut have issues with the lower left quadrant. When I heard this I figure there was some sort of quad link issue somewhere. I don't know anything other than above but more will be revealed tomorrow. According to the Post Producer who was in the truck during the shoot he thought he saw the issue after the first performance but had no time to check it because they had to offload the cards to make room for the second show.
According the the post producer the camera test files were with locked off shots that don't show the issue but when the camera is moving then the bottom left quadrant seems out of sync and off. I haven't seen the footage so I can't tell more than this now.
My first thought was some quad link timing issue. IIRC monitors have a window of tolerance for the quad link feeds but perhaps they are more forgiving than the KiPro recorders. I figure they would have seen the issues in the control room line cut and camera monitors and fixed the problem so I can only assume everything in the control room looked okay while they were recording. I think when the KiPros record they output an E to E signal so there is no confirmation head playback like in the tape days so maybe the recorders looked okay as they taped but on playback the problem arises.
I google the camera and it's control unit and it has 4 SDI outputs so I'm assuming it outputs only quad link but It wasn't obvious from a quick peak at the sony pro site. The HDC-4300 us described as an easy migration from HD to 4K so I'm thinking it may not offer the Dual Link or Single Link 4K feeds.
Bottom line is it must have looked okay in the control room for this not to be noticed during production and I can only think given the nature of the error showing up in the lower left quadrant that somewhere in the food chain quad link was involved. Why a static shot would be okay but a moving shot shows the issue I'm not sure of. Having not seen the footage I can't play along well. I would think the timing of one of the quad links being off wouldn't show a quadrant out of sync, or the post producer described the lower left quadrant looking like it had interlace errors.
I wonder if they had to convert the quadlink to single or dual link to record on the KiPros?
So many questions just wondering if anyone has any insight as to if I'm on the right track with thinking it's quad link issue. Could timing account for this? How can it look okay in the control room and during recording but not on playback?
Scratching my head.
John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net
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Production shota 4 camera shoot with Sony HDC-4300 cameras. It was a full production truck with a switcher. I don't know what kind of switcher at this point. They did a live switch and isos. The line and isos were recorded on KiPro recorders, don't know what model. They recorded to SSD Cards that were offloaded between performances. I'm told the KiPros recorded ProRes 422 UHD.
The problem is that several of the isos and a think some of the cameras on the line cut have issues with the lower left quadrant. When I heard this I figure there was some sort of quad link issue somewhere. I don't know anything other than above but more will be revealed tomorrow. According to the Post Producer who was in the truck during the shoot he thought he saw the issue after the first performance but had no time to check it because they had to offload the cards to make room for the second show.
According the the post producer the camera test files were with locked off shots that don't show the issue but when the camera is moving then the bottom left quadrant seems out of sync and off. I haven't seen the footage so I can't tell more than this now.
My first thought was some quad link timing issue. IIRC monitors have a window of tolerance for the quad link feeds but perhaps they are more forgiving than the KiPro recorders. I figure they would have seen the issues in the control room line cut and camera monitors and fixed the problem so I can only assume everything in the control room looked okay while they were recording. I think when the KiPros record they output an E to E signal so there is no confirmation head playback like in the tape days so maybe the recorders looked okay as they taped but on playback the problem arises.
I google the camera and it's control unit and it has 4 SDI outputs so I'm assuming it outputs only quad link but It wasn't obvious from a quick peak at the sony pro site. The HDC-4300 us described as an easy migration from HD to 4K so I'm thinking it may not offer the Dual Link or Single Link 4K feeds.
Bottom line is it must have looked okay in the control room for this not to be noticed during production and I can only think given the nature of the error showing up in the lower left quadrant that somewhere in the food chain quad link was involved. Why a static shot would be okay but a moving shot shows the issue I'm not sure of. Having not seen the footage I can't play along well. I would think the timing of one of the quad links being off wouldn't show a quadrant out of sync, or the post producer described the lower left quadrant looking like it had interlace errors.
I wonder if they had to convert the quadlink to single or dual link to record on the KiPros?
So many questions just wondering if anyone has any insight as to if I'm on the right track with thinking it's quad link issue. Could timing account for this? How can it look okay in the control room and during recording but not on playback?
Scratching my head.
John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net
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Production show a 4 camera shoot with Sony HDC-4300 cameras. It was a full production truck with a switcher. I don't know what kind of switcher at this point. They did a live switch and isos. The line and isos were recorded on KiPro recorders, don't know what model. They recorded to SSD Cards that were offloaded between performances. I'm told the KiPros recorded ProRes 422 UHD.
The problem is that several of the isos and a think some of the cameras on the line cut have issues with the lower left quadrant. When I heard this I figure there was some sort of quad link issue somewhere. I don't know anything other than above but more will be revealed tomorrow. According to the Post Producer who was in the truck during the shoot he thought he saw the issue after the first performance but had no time to check it because they had to offload the cards to make room for the second show.
According the the post producer the camera test files were with locked off shots that don't show the issue but when the camera is moving then the bottom left quadrant seems out of sync and off. I haven't seen the footage so I can't tell more than this now.
My first thought was some quad link timing issue. IIRC monitors have a window of tolerance for the quad link feeds but perhaps they are more forgiving than the KiPro recorders. I figure they would have seen the issues in the control room line cut and camera monitors and fixed the problem so I can only assume everything in the control room looked okay while they were recording. I think when the KiPros record they output an E to E signal so there is no confirmation head playback like in the tape days so maybe the recorders looked okay as they taped but on playback the problem arises.
I google the camera and it's control unit and it has 4 SDI outputs so I'm assuming it outputs only quad link but It wasn't obvious from a quick peak at the sony pro site. The HDC-4300 us described as an easy migration from HD to 4K so I'm thinking it may not offer the Dual Link or Single Link 4K feeds.
Bottom line is it must have looked okay in the control room for this not to be noticed during production and I can only think given the nature of the error showing up in the lower left quadrant that somewhere in the food chain quad link was involved. Why a static shot would be okay but a moving shot shows the issue I'm not sure of. Having not seen the footage I can't play along well. I would think the timing of one of the quad links being off wouldn't show a quadrant out of sync, or the post producer described the lower left quadrant looking like it had interlace errors.
I wonder if they had to convert the quadlink to single or dual link to record on the KiPros?
So many questions just wondering if anyone has any insight as to if I'm on the right track with thinking it's quad link issue. Could timing account for this? How can it look okay in the control room and during recording but not on playback?
Scratching my head.
John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net
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Re: [Avid-L2] Extending Wifi Network or adding another Network?
In configuring your wifi router/wap's always remember. Apple macOS doesn't support Fast BSS Transition, also known as 802.11r.
- https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206207
- https://community.cisco.com/t5/wireless-security-and-network/issues-when-802-11r-mixed-mode-enabled/td-p/2613126
- https://community.cisco.com/t5/wireless-and-mobility/802-11r-mixed-mode-support/td-p/2677024
On Oct 26, 2020, at 10:56 PM, Damon Claussen via groups.io <damon=hdcut.com@groups.io> wrote:
Sounds like you found something that works, that's great.
Spectrum doesn't charge for a modem but to most installs, people want/need a router which in fact they charge $5/mo for the combo modem/router. All in all, their hardware is hot garbage and one phone call (should you upgrade your modem) is all it takes to tell them your new MAC address. As long as your modem is on the list of Spectrum compatible units, you're golden. Just clarifying in case you go that route.
One nice touch of manually setting up your SSIDs is you can set each to span different channels for Wireless so there's never any interference. You're right about 5G… it's fast but has short range. Our home security "SimpliSafe", and Kuna porch cams run only on slower wifi. As long as you've got both with enough juice, you should be good.
Happy connectivity!
On Oct 26, 2020, at 10:42 PM, John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:
Thanks for all the advice from everyone. I opted to hit Best Buy for a linksys extender AC 1200. It programs through wifi connection then plug in the ethernet cable and it works. It has dual bands but unlike an airport there is no auto switch between bands they are just two different networks. I used the same password as my main airport network but changed the names with a numberic suffice. I like that airports auto switch between 2.4 and 5 G depending on signal strength but I have read that when adding a second airport in tandem with an existing network devices don't know to switch between stations if you walk from one zone to the other. My needs are just to get the ring cam and sprinkler system online so it may not be the most elegant solution but it works.
I'm amazed how quick the performance fall off is with 5 G network. Stand next to the new extender and I can get close to 93 Mbps and just across the room 15 feet away it can drop down to under 80 Mbps and across the house maybe 20 Mbps. Glad I ran a bunch of cat 6 when we remodeled after a house flood.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 08:30 PM, Mark Spano wrote:
Spectrum's whole thing they tout for their internet service is that they do not charge you to lease a modem. And since you can't update your own bought modem on their network, it makes little sense to buy one. Just correcting a bit of misinformation here.Routers are a different story, and the Apple ones generally provided the best in ease of setup and extendability.I have found it extremely easy to use the Spectrum provided modem and connect my completely self controlled and maintained Apple Airport network to it. Thus, I have no better advice than to stay with the Apple Airport products. Even discontinued in 2018, they are still supported by Apple and can be found on the used market.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 9:13 PM Dennis Wiener <dwiener@earthlink.net> wrote:Another possibility is MoCa enabled routers and switches. I have FiOS and I can add MoCa router or adapter at each cable coax point. I use cat6 from the switches/routers and try to use wifi only for devices I can't hardwire. L
On Oct 26, 2020, at 6:43 PM, crunchymagic <damonclaussen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey John,We live in a two story house (2600 sq ft), my office is on the first floor, all bedrooms are upstairs. Wireless coverage was spotty on the 2nd floor when running only one modem/router. After getting complaints that Fortnite and Netflix were glitchy from the youngsters, I did a good amount of research on extenders, mesh solutions, et al. I ended up going with two routers, one on each floor.The modem/router combo we have is a NETGEAR AC1900 which plays nicely with Spectrum. That was the first thing we changed because the provided modem/router by Spectrum that you pay a lease on monthly is garbage. Even Spectrum employees admitted its trash.Expanding the wireless signal isn't always foolproof so what worked for us is I ran a hardline (cat 6) through to the second story to my 2nd router (NETGEAR Nighthawk R7000p. I was able to set it up by devoting a static IP to the secondary router. That second router has it's own set of wireless channels both (2G/5G). I can also see my downstairs router and use it if needed.Since we have an 8 and 12 year old, content management is key, along with controlling access during homework times. I'm adding another router TPLINK AX6000 which will be the first router after the AC1900. The AC1900 will be reduced to serving internet only and the AX6000 will then be the main gateway serving up the internet through it's awesome parental controls interface and content management. You can also set up a solid guest wireless channel if clients come by and need unfettered access.Our internet is only 200 Mb/s down but our network is able to sustain plenty of usage. When the kids were zooming at home, we were running my wife's system in bedroom, both kids upstairs zooming, and one week had my extended family visiting and zooming to their zoom… 4 more zoom sessions, plus my system in my office, uploading/downloading content without any issues. Mileage will vary but the key is get yourself a solid modem first so you've got reliable signal… as for routers…. so far both Negear units I've owned have been solid. The TPLINK was recommended to me by my friend in IT who uses it in his house. Sounds like you got a bum router.Good luck. Once you get it dialed in… it's smooth as buttah!<image003.png>
On Oct 26, 2020, at 2:45 PM, John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:
I did a bit of research a while back about adding another base station to my home wifi for better coverage. I have an Airport Extreme unit and I found I could add a second Airport Extreme with the same network ID etc... Today a call to Melrose Mac and I found out Apple dropped the Airport line a year or two ago. I suppose I could perhaps find a used one.I was told to look at Aces or Netgear for extenders. I did add a small Netgear base station a while back and it worked for a day but then the unit died. Literally died not a setup issue. I don't mind just adding a second network as this is just to cover a fringe area but it would be more elegant to have it be setup like the main network. I've read that hand off between stations was problematic with two Airport Extremes so maybe a separate network is the easiest thing. Any configuration/device suggestions welcome.John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net
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Re: [Avid-L2] Extending Wifi Network or adding another Network?
Sounds like you found something that works, that's great.
Spectrum doesn't charge for a modem but to most installs, people want/need a router which in fact they charge $5/mo for the combo modem/router. All in all, their hardware is hot garbage and one phone call (should you upgrade your modem) is all it takes to tell them your new MAC address. As long as your modem is on the list of Spectrum compatible units, you're golden. Just clarifying in case you go that route.
One nice touch of manually setting up your SSIDs is you can set each to span different channels for Wireless so there's never any interference. You're right about 5G… it's fast but has short range. Our home security "SimpliSafe", and Kuna porch cams run only on slower wifi. As long as you've got both with enough juice, you should be good.
Happy connectivity!
On Oct 26, 2020, at 10:42 PM, John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:Thanks for all the advice from everyone. I opted to hit Best Buy for a linksys extender AC 1200. It programs through wifi connection then plug in the ethernet cable and it works. It has dual bands but unlike an airport there is no auto switch between bands they are just two different networks. I used the same password as my main airport network but changed the names with a numberic suffice. I like that airports auto switch between 2.4 and 5 G depending on signal strength but I have read that when adding a second airport in tandem with an existing network devices don't know to switch between stations if you walk from one zone to the other. My needs are just to get the ring cam and sprinkler system online so it may not be the most elegant solution but it works.
I'm amazed how quick the performance fall off is with 5 G network. Stand next to the new extender and I can get close to 93 Mbps and just across the room 15 feet away it can drop down to under 80 Mbps and across the house maybe 20 Mbps. Glad I ran a bunch of cat 6 when we remodeled after a house flood.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 08:30 PM, Mark Spano wrote:
Spectrum's whole thing they tout for their internet service is that they do not charge you to lease a modem. And since you can't update your own bought modem on their network, it makes little sense to buy one. Just correcting a bit of misinformation here.Routers are a different story, and the Apple ones generally provided the best in ease of setup and extendability.I have found it extremely easy to use the Spectrum provided modem and connect my completely self controlled and maintained Apple Airport network to it. Thus, I have no better advice than to stay with the Apple Airport products. Even discontinued in 2018, they are still supported by Apple and can be found on the used market.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 9:13 PM Dennis Wiener <dwiener@earthlink.net> wrote:Another possibility is MoCa enabled routers and switches. I have FiOS and I can add MoCa router or adapter at each cable coax point. I use cat6 from the switches/routers and try to use wifi only for devices I can't hardwire. L
On Oct 26, 2020, at 6:43 PM, crunchymagic <damonclaussen@gmail.com> wrote:Hey John,We live in a two story house (2600 sq ft), my office is on the first floor, all bedrooms are upstairs. Wireless coverage was spotty on the 2nd floor when running only one modem/router. After getting complaints that Fortnite and Netflix were glitchy from the youngsters, I did a good amount of research on extenders, mesh solutions, et al. I ended up going with two routers, one on each floor.The modem/router combo we have is a NETGEAR AC1900 which plays nicely with Spectrum. That was the first thing we changed because the provided modem/router by Spectrum that you pay a lease on monthly is garbage. Even Spectrum employees admitted its trash.Expanding the wireless signal isn't always foolproof so what worked for us is I ran a hardline (cat 6) through to the second story to my 2nd router (NETGEAR Nighthawk R7000p. I was able to set it up by devoting a static IP to the secondary router. That second router has it's own set of wireless channels both (2G/5G). I can also see my downstairs router and use it if needed.Since we have an 8 and 12 year old, content management is key, along with controlling access during homework times. I'm adding another router TPLINK AX6000 which will be the first router after the AC1900. The AC1900 will be reduced to serving internet only and the AX6000 will then be the main gateway serving up the internet through it's awesome parental controls interface and content management. You can also set up a solid guest wireless channel if clients come by and need unfettered access.Our internet is only 200 Mb/s down but our network is able to sustain plenty of usage. When the kids were zooming at home, we were running my wife's system in bedroom, both kids upstairs zooming, and one week had my extended family visiting and zooming to their zoom… 4 more zoom sessions, plus my system in my office, uploading/downloading content without any issues. Mileage will vary but the key is get yourself a solid modem first so you've got reliable signal… as for routers…. so far both Negear units I've owned have been solid. The TPLINK was recommended to me by my friend in IT who uses it in his house. Sounds like you got a bum router.Good luck. Once you get it dialed in… it's smooth as buttah!<image003.png>
On Oct 26, 2020, at 2:45 PM, John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:
I did a bit of research a while back about adding another base station to my home wifi for better coverage. I have an Airport Extreme unit and I found I could add a second Airport Extreme with the same network ID etc... Today a call to Melrose Mac and I found out Apple dropped the Airport line a year or two ago. I suppose I could perhaps find a used one.I was told to look at Aces or Netgear for extenders. I did add a small Netgear base station a while back and it worked for a day but then the unit died. Literally died not a setup issue. I don't mind just adding a second network as this is just to cover a fringe area but it would be more elegant to have it be setup like the main network. I've read that hand off between stations was problematic with two Airport Extremes so maybe a separate network is the easiest thing. Any configuration/device suggestions welcome.John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net
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Re: [Avid-L2] Extending Wifi Network or adding another Network?
Thanks for all the advice from everyone. I opted to hit Best Buy for a linksys extender AC 1200. It programs through wifi connection then plug in the ethernet cable and it works. It has dual bands but unlike an airport there is no auto switch between bands they are just two different networks. I used the same password as my main airport network but changed the names with a numberic suffice. I like that airports auto switch between 2.4 and 5 G depending on signal strength but I have read that when adding a second airport in tandem with an existing network devices don't know to switch between stations if you walk from one zone to the other. My needs are just to get the ring cam and sprinkler system online so it may not be the most elegant solution but it works.
I'm amazed how quick the performance fall off is with 5 G network. Stand next to the new extender and I can get close to 93 Mbps and just across the room 15 feet away it can drop down to under 80 Mbps and across the house maybe 20 Mbps. Glad I ran a bunch of cat 6 when we remodeled after a house flood.
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I'm amazed how quick the performance fall off is with 5 G network. Stand next to the new extender and I can get close to 93 Mbps and just across the room 15 feet away it can drop down to under 80 Mbps and across the house maybe 20 Mbps. Glad I ran a bunch of cat 6 when we remodeled after a house flood.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 08:30 PM, Mark Spano wrote:
Spectrum's whole thing they tout for their internet service is that they do not charge you to lease a modem. And since you can't update your own bought modem on their network, it makes little sense to buy one. Just correcting a bit of misinformation here.Routers are a different story, and the Apple ones generally provided the best in ease of setup and extendability.I have found it extremely easy to use the Spectrum provided modem and connect my completely self controlled and maintained Apple Airport network to it. Thus, I have no better advice than to stay with the Apple Airport products. Even discontinued in 2018, they are still supported by Apple and can be found on the used market.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 9:13 PM Dennis Wiener <dwiener@earthlink.net> wrote:Another possibility is MoCa enabled routers and switches. I have FiOS and I can add MoCa router or adapter at each cable coax point. I use cat6 from the switches/routers and try to use wifi only for devices I can’t hardwire. L
On Oct 26, 2020, at 6:43 PM, crunchymagic <damonclaussen@gmail.com> wrote:Hey John,We live in a two story house (2600 sq ft), my office is on the first floor, all bedrooms are upstairs. Wireless coverage was spotty on the 2nd floor when running only one modem/router. After getting complaints that Fortnite and Netflix were glitchy from the youngsters, I did a good amount of research on extenders, mesh solutions, et al. I ended up going with two routers, one on each floor.The modem/router combo we have is a NETGEAR AC1900 which plays nicely with Spectrum. That was the first thing we changed because the provided modem/router by Spectrum that you pay a lease on monthly is garbage. Even Spectrum employees admitted its trash.Expanding the wireless signal isn’t always foolproof so what worked for us is I ran a hardline (cat 6) through to the second story to my 2nd router (NETGEAR Nighthawk R7000p. I was able to set it up by devoting a static IP to the secondary router. That second router has it’s own set of wireless channels both (2G/5G). I can also see my downstairs router and use it if needed.Since we have an 8 and 12 year old, content management is key, along with controlling access during homework times. I’m adding another router TPLINK AX6000 which will be the first router after the AC1900. The AC1900 will be reduced to serving internet only and the AX6000 will then be the main gateway serving up the internet through it’s awesome parental controls interface and content management. You can also set up a solid guest wireless channel if clients come by and need unfettered access.Our internet is only 200 Mb/s down but our network is able to sustain plenty of usage. When the kids were zooming at home, we were running my wife’s system in bedroom, both kids upstairs zooming, and one week had my extended family visiting and zooming to their zoom… 4 more zoom sessions, plus my system in my office, uploading/downloading content without any issues. Mileage will vary but the key is get yourself a solid modem first so you’ve got reliable signal… as for routers…. so far both Negear units I’ve owned have been solid. The TPLINK was recommended to me by my friend in IT who uses it in his house. Sounds like you got a bum router.Good luck. Once you get it dialed in… it’s smooth as buttah!<image003.png>
On Oct 26, 2020, at 2:45 PM, John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:
I did a bit of research a while back about adding another base station to my home wifi for better coverage. I have an Airport Extreme unit and I found I could add a second Airport Extreme with the same network ID etc... Today a call to Melrose Mac and I found out Apple dropped the Airport line a year or two ago. I suppose I could perhaps find a used one.I was told to look at Aces or Netgear for extenders. I did add a small Netgear base station a while back and it worked for a day but then the unit died. Literally died not a setup issue. I don't mind just adding a second network as this is just to cover a fringe area but it would be more elegant to have it be setup like the main network. I've read that hand off between stations was problematic with two Airport Extremes so maybe a separate network is the easiest thing. Any configuration/device suggestions welcome.John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net
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Spectrum's whole thing they tout for their internet service is that they do not charge you to lease a modem. And since you can't update your own bought modem on their network, it makes little sense to buy one. Just correcting a bit of misinformation here.
Routers are a different story, and the Apple ones generally provided the best in ease of setup and extendability.
I have found it extremely easy to use the Spectrum provided modem and connect my completely self controlled and maintained Apple Airport network to it. Thus, I have no better advice than to stay with the Apple Airport products. Even discontinued in 2018, they are still supported by Apple and can be found on the used market.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 9:13 PM Dennis Wiener <dwiener@earthlink.net> wrote:
Another possibility is MoCa enabled routers and switches. I have FiOS and I can add MoCa router or adapter at each cable coax point. I use cat6 from the switches/routers and try to use wifi only for devices I can't hardwire. LOn Oct 26, 2020, at 6:43 PM, crunchymagic <damonclaussen@gmail.com> wrote:Hey John,We live in a two story house (2600 sq ft), my office is on the first floor, all bedrooms are upstairs. Wireless coverage was spotty on the 2nd floor when running only one modem/router. After getting complaints that Fortnite and Netflix were glitchy from the youngsters, I did a good amount of research on extenders, mesh solutions, et al. I ended up going with two routers, one on each floor.The modem/router combo we have is a NETGEAR AC1900 which plays nicely with Spectrum. That was the first thing we changed because the provided modem/router by Spectrum that you pay a lease on monthly is garbage. Even Spectrum employees admitted its trash.Expanding the wireless signal isn't always foolproof so what worked for us is I ran a hardline (cat 6) through to the second story to my 2nd router (NETGEAR Nighthawk R7000p. I was able to set it up by devoting a static IP to the secondary router. That second router has it's own set of wireless channels both (2G/5G). I can also see my downstairs router and use it if needed.Since we have an 8 and 12 year old, content management is key, along with controlling access during homework times. I'm adding another router TPLINK AX6000 which will be the first router after the AC1900. The AC1900 will be reduced to serving internet only and the AX6000 will then be the main gateway serving up the internet through it's awesome parental controls interface and content management. You can also set up a solid guest wireless channel if clients come by and need unfettered access.Our internet is only 200 Mb/s down but our network is able to sustain plenty of usage. When the kids were zooming at home, we were running my wife's system in bedroom, both kids upstairs zooming, and one week had my extended family visiting and zooming to their zoom… 4 more zoom sessions, plus my system in my office, uploading/downloading content without any issues. Mileage will vary but the key is get yourself a solid modem first so you've got reliable signal… as for routers…. so far both Negear units I've owned have been solid. The TPLINK was recommended to me by my friend in IT who uses it in his house. Sounds like you got a bum router.Good luck. Once you get it dialed in… it's smooth as buttah!<image003.png>On Oct 26, 2020, at 2:45 PM, John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:I did a bit of research a while back about adding another base station to my home wifi for better coverage. I have an Airport Extreme unit and I found I could add a second Airport Extreme with the same network ID etc... Today a call to Melrose Mac and I found out Apple dropped the Airport line a year or two ago. I suppose I could perhaps find a used one.I was told to look at Aces or Netgear for extenders. I did add a small Netgear base station a while back and it worked for a day but then the unit died. Literally died not a setup issue. I don't mind just adding a second network as this is just to cover a fringe area but it would be more elegant to have it be setup like the main network. I've read that hand off between stations was problematic with two Airport Extremes so maybe a separate network is the easiest thing. Any configuration/device suggestions welcome.John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net
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