Saturday, December 21, 2013

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: QT Ref Export Errors with mixed frame rate and ama?

 

If an AMA linked clip in sequence has gone offline, it will show up red just like any other offline clip. You must relink to AMA the original clip in bin. Sometimes it's as easy as just opening the bin. Other times, it must be right-click/RElink to AMA Files. If you see the media, but the clip shows as offline, well that's just MC being MC, knowing where to find media to play the clip, but not knowing it's actually online. You'll still get the error message about clips being offline, and if you relink them in the bin, the red will go away.

If I'm doing QT Ref export from a sequence where I know AMA has been used, I transcode the sequence (to convert both AMA video and associated audio) and then I usually drop a safe color and mix that down. A video mixdown for a QT Ref export is usually a must. Audio mixdowns are also a must if there is multiple bit rate / sample rate stuff happening, because if there is, you will get twice or three times as many audio tracks in the ref export as what is in the sequence (each track in the ref export can only contain one bit rate and sample rate).


On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 10:36 PM, johnrobmoore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:
 

I got to thinking. If a clip was ama'd and transcoded to DNX220 for my online sequence. If I have the graphics reel up that has the original .mov that was ama'd might Avid revert to an ama link for that clip. I have repeatedly relinked my sequence to my dedicated avid media drives so I would think the sequence would not regress to an ama link to a clip that had been transcoded but I seem to be chasing ama ghosts. BOOOOOO I'm the ghost of ama here to mess with you!!!! Very scary.



--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, John Moore <bigfish@...> wrote:
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> I'm aware of issues with mixed frame rates and ama linked clips when trying to do QT Ref Exports.  Our new season is finally HD and they shot primarily DVCProHD on tape.  There are some 23.98 clips from Cannon 5 D and the like.  The AEs also used ama linking to transcode several .movs etc.  The AEs are on 6.5.4 and I'm onlining on 5.5.3.7, haven't got around to 5.5.4 yet.  I put a safe color limit on an upper track below the title tracks.  This has always acted a lot like a mixdown.
>
> I exported a 5 minute trailer as a QT ref export the other day with no issues just like our usual workflow in SD.  That trailer is also the first 5 minutes of the trailer.  Now when I go to do a QT ref export of the entire show I get a prompt about mixed rates and that I need to mixdown the audio.  I'm using QT ref to maintain the 4 tracks of audio.  If I do check the audio mixdown then it tells me I have ama linked clips in the sequence and it won't export.   To my knowledge I have no ama linked clips in the show.  They were ama linked and transcoded as far as I know and I'm on a San so I'm on a different computer than the AEs so I don't believe I could have any links to media on my desktop.  I tried showing reference files and sorting my clip type column to see if ama clips would get sorted so I could see them.  The sequence is also showing me offline red clips that are in fact online and the media shows up yet the offline red color is on the
> clip.  I also get prompted that there is offline media in the sequence when I digital cut but as far as I can tell there is nothing offline.  Perhaps Avid sees the whacky clips that have media but show red offline color as still offline under the hood.  I wonder if that might also make avid think the clips are ama media when in fact they are transcoded media. 
>
>
> I've also discovered that the AEs sometimes miss checked the transcode dialogue and things were consolidated not transcoded.  I only discovered this when things showed up offline and error saying unrecognized compression type were happening.  I went to the AE station, which is 6.5.4, and saw that the clips were prores.  This is why I think they just didn't notice they were consolidating and not transcoding. 
>
>
> I'm going to just do a video mixdown but I'm curious what happened different to the file based media that didn't happen on the short trailer.  I think the consolidation error might have effect the episode but not the trailer.  This is been a bear to sort out.  Pretty sure the video mixdown will work but does anybody have some tips on digging out potential ama clips that think they are ama in error.  Maybe there is a nest that isn't showing offline and why are online clips colored offline Red, and yes I checked the clip color is not set to Red.  Any suggestions appreciate.  I'm hoping Bob Z's shotgun is in the mail for Xmas I might have to go AE ama hunting, in that order.
>
>  
> John Moore
> Barking Trout Productions
> Studio City, CA
> bigfish@...
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Re: [Avid-L2] Does multichannel export in QT work on Avid?

 

You can export QT from MC with multiple channels, but it's limited to the same setup as your audio output setting. Mono, Stereo, 5.1, etc.. This means that actual multichannel exports, with stems as required by many broadcast (Tagless Mix, VO, SOT, Stereo Music, Stereo SFX, for example) still must be created the 'old fashioned' way. Line them up in the timeline as mono tracks, export QT ref, open in QT7 Pro, label tracks if necessary, save as self-contained. Still works.


On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 10:11 PM, John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:
 

I remember Avid V6 was said to support more than a stereo pair of audio on QT export.  I did a test a few weeks back and found it didn't seem to work on V6.0.4ish.  Did I do something wrong or does the feature not work in V6.  Does it work in V6.5.x?  The video mixdown work around I mentioned in a previous post is so I can QT ref export to get multichannel audio.  If Avid does do this in V6 I must have done something wrong.  That would eliminate the need for QT ref, although I hate to tie up my Avid for the export when I could use QT Pro.  Any experience with exporting 4 tracks of audio out of Avid 5.5.3.7 or V6 would be appreciated.
 
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Barking Trout Productions
Studio City, CA
bigfish@pacbell.net


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[Avid-L2] Jagged still images appearing on DVDs from MC 7.02

 

For years I have built programs that included still images that I added to the shows using Moving Pictures.  On DVDs these images appeared of very high quality.  All of a sudden, the images on DVDs appear to be aliased with jagged edges.  I have not found a way to stop the aliasing.  I tried three different DVD encoder/burners, so I don't think it's that --  I tried Avid DVD, Sorenson Squeeze, and outputting directly to a Pioneer PRV-LX1.  They all have the same problem. I tried Avid Pan & Zoom as well as the 64-bit version of Moving Pictures, so I don't think it's there.  


It's as if the still images are only showing one field, though they are interlaced pictures in an NTSC 30i 4:3 Standard Def program.   Any ideas would be most appreciated.  


My system is a Windows 7 - Media Composer 7.02 with Symphony option on an HP Z820.  My video card is a Kona 3g. 


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[Avid-L2] Re: QT Ref Export Errors with mixed frame rate and ama?

 

I got to thinking. If a clip was ama'd and transcoded to DNX220 for my online sequence. If I have the graphics reel up that has the original .mov that was ama'd might Avid revert to an ama link for that clip. I have repeatedly relinked my sequence to my dedicated avid media drives so I would think the sequence would not regress to an ama link to a clip that had been transcoded but I seem to be chasing ama ghosts. BOOOOOO I'm the ghost of ama here to mess with you!!!! Very scary.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, John Moore <bigfish@...> wrote:
>
> I'm aware of issues with mixed frame rates and ama linked clips when trying to do QT Ref Exports.  Our new season is finally HD and they shot primarily DVCProHD on tape.  There are some 23.98 clips from Cannon 5 D and the like.  The AEs also used ama linking to transcode several .movs etc.  The AEs are on 6.5.4 and I'm onlining on 5.5.3.7, haven't got around to 5.5.4 yet.  I put a safe color limit on an upper track below the title tracks.  This has always acted a lot like a mixdown.
>
> I exported a 5 minute trailer as a QT ref export the other day with no issues just like our usual workflow in SD.  That trailer is also the first 5 minutes of the trailer.  Now when I go to do a QT ref export of the entire show I get a prompt about mixed rates and that I need to mixdown the audio.  I'm using QT ref to maintain the 4 tracks of audio.  If I do check the audio mixdown then it tells me I have ama linked clips in the sequence and it won't export.   To my knowledge I have no ama linked clips in the show.  They were ama linked and transcoded as far as I know and I'm on a San so I'm on a different computer than the AEs so I don't believe I could have any links to media on my desktop.  I tried showing reference files and sorting my clip type column to see if ama clips would get sorted so I could see them.  The sequence is also showing me offline red clips that are in fact online and the media shows up yet the offline red color is on the
> clip.  I also get prompted that there is offline media in the sequence when I digital cut but as far as I can tell there is nothing offline.  Perhaps Avid sees the whacky clips that have media but show red offline color as still offline under the hood.  I wonder if that might also make avid think the clips are ama media when in fact they are transcoded media. 
>
>
> I've also discovered that the AEs sometimes miss checked the transcode dialogue and things were consolidated not transcoded.  I only discovered this when things showed up offline and error saying unrecognized compression type were happening.  I went to the AE station, which is 6.5.4, and saw that the clips were prores.  This is why I think they just didn't notice they were consolidating and not transcoding. 
>
>
> I'm going to just do a video mixdown but I'm curious what happened different to the file based media that didn't happen on the short trailer.  I think the consolidation error might have effect the episode but not the trailer.  This is been a bear to sort out.  Pretty sure the video mixdown will work but does anybody have some tips on digging out potential ama clips that think they are ama in error.  Maybe there is a nest that isn't showing offline and why are online clips colored offline Red, and yes I checked the clip color is not set to Red.  Any suggestions appreciate.  I'm hoping Bob Z's shotgun is in the mail for Xmas I might have to go AE ama hunting, in that order.
>
>  
> John Moore
> Barking Trout Productions
> Studio City, CA
> bigfish@...
>

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[Avid-L2] Does multichannel export in QT work on Avid?

 

I remember Avid V6 was said to support more than a stereo pair of audio on QT export.  I did a test a few weeks back and found it didn't seem to work on V6.0.4ish.  Did I do something wrong or does the feature not work in V6.  Does it work in V6.5.x?  The video mixdown work around I mentioned in a previous post is so I can QT ref export to get multichannel audio.  If Avid does do this in V6 I must have done something wrong.  That would eliminate the need for QT ref, although I hate to tie up my Avid for the export when I could use QT Pro.  Any experience with exporting 4 tracks of audio out of Avid 5.5.3.7 or V6 would be appreciated.
 
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Barking Trout Productions
Studio City, CA
bigfish@pacbell.net

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[Avid-L2] QT Ref Export Errors with mixed frame rate and ama?

 

I'm aware of issues with mixed frame rates and ama linked clips when trying to do QT Ref Exports.  Our new season is finally HD and they shot primarily DVCProHD on tape.  There are some 23.98 clips from Cannon 5 D and the like.  The AEs also used ama linking to transcode several .movs etc.  The AEs are on 6.5.4 and I'm onlining on 5.5.3.7, haven't got around to 5.5.4 yet.  I put a safe color limit on an upper track below the title tracks.  This has always acted a lot like a mixdown.

I exported a 5 minute trailer as a QT ref export the other day with no issues just like our usual workflow in SD.  That trailer is also the first 5 minutes of the trailer.  Now when I go to do a QT ref export of the entire show I get a prompt about mixed rates and that I need to mixdown the audio.  I'm using QT ref to maintain the 4 tracks of audio.  If I do check the audio mixdown then it tells me I have ama linked clips in the sequence and it won't export.   To my knowledge I have no ama linked clips in the show.  They were ama linked and transcoded as far as I know and I'm on a San so I'm on a different computer than the AEs so I don't believe I could have any links to media on my desktop.  I tried showing reference files and sorting my clip type column to see if ama clips would get sorted so I could see them.  The sequence is also showing me offline red clips that are in fact online and the media shows up yet the offline red color is on the clip.  I also get prompted that there is offline media in the sequence when I digital cut but as far as I can tell there is nothing offline.  Perhaps Avid sees the whacky clips that have media but show red offline color as still offline under the hood.  I wonder if that might also make avid think the clips are ama media when in fact they are transcoded media. 

I've also discovered that the AEs sometimes miss checked the transcode dialogue and things were consolidated not transcoded.  I only discovered this when things showed up offline and error saying unrecognized compression type were happening.  I went to the AE station, which is 6.5.4, and saw that the clips were prores.  This is why I think they just didn't notice they were consolidating and not transcoding. 

I'm going to just do a video mixdown but I'm curious what happened different to the file based media that didn't happen on the short trailer.  I think the consolidation error might have effect the episode but not the trailer.  This is been a bear to sort out.  Pretty sure the video mixdown will work but does anybody have some tips on digging out potential ama clips that think they are ama in error.  Maybe there is a nest that isn't showing offline and why are online clips colored offline Red, and yes I checked the clip color is not set to Red.  Any suggestions appreciate.  I'm hoping Bob Z's shotgun is in the mail for Xmas I might have to go AE ama hunting, in that order.
 
John Moore
Barking Trout Productions
Studio City, CA
bigfish@pacbell.net

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Re: [Avid-L2] Electronic program delivery that includes closed captioning

 

If you are delivering xdcam you should also take a look to cpc caption now owned by telestream.
It has a pretty straight forward workflow.

Agustín Goya
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El dic 21, 2013 1:49 p.m., "Steve Hullfish" <steve4lists@veralith.com> escribió:
 

Avid has a whitepaper on AS-11. AS11 is based on AS-03, which is a PBS spec.


Check out also The Advance Media Workflow Association

or, from the UK


Also, check out two companion formats called AS-02, which allows re-versioning (like melt reels, that simply point to the original material) and AS12 which contains tracking data from origin to delivery.



On Dec 21, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Greg Huson <Greg@SecretHQ.com> wrote:

 

Can someone point me to a brief / white paper / whatever on how to make electronic delivery of program-length material that includes closed captioning? Google's not getting me a definitive answer.

Is this XDCam export, or AS11? What are US broadcasters accepting?

We've been delivering tape for long-form and electronic for short-form, but would like to offer electronic for long-form, and have a 'demonstration' opportunity coming up next week.

gh
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Secret Headquarters, Inc
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Culver City, CA
323 677 2092
www.DigitalServiceStation.com
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Re: [Avid-L2] Electronic program delivery that includes closed captioning

 

Avid has a whitepaper on AS-11. AS11 is based on AS-03, which is a PBS spec.


Check out also The Advance Media Workflow Association

or, from the UK


Also, check out two companion formats called AS-02, which allows re-versioning (like melt reels, that simply point to the original material) and AS12 which contains tracking data from origin to delivery.



On Dec 21, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Greg Huson <Greg@SecretHQ.com> wrote:

 

Can someone point me to a brief / white paper / whatever on how to make electronic delivery of program-length material that includes closed captioning? Google's not getting me a definitive answer.

Is this XDCam export, or AS11? What are US broadcasters accepting?

We've been delivering tape for long-form and electronic for short-form, but would like to offer electronic for long-form, and have a 'demonstration' opportunity coming up next week.

gh
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Secret Headquarters, Inc
Post Production / Production
Culver City, CA
323 677 2092
www.DigitalServiceStation.com
greg (at) SecretHQ.com
www.SecretHQ.com


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[Avid-L2] Electronic program delivery that includes closed captioning

 

Can someone point me to a brief / white paper / whatever on how to make electronic delivery of program-length material that includes closed captioning? Google's not getting me a definitive answer.

Is this XDCam export, or AS11? What are US broadcasters accepting?

We've been delivering tape for long-form and electronic for short-form, but would like to offer electronic for long-form, and have a 'demonstration' opportunity coming up next week.

gh
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Secret Headquarters, Inc
Post Production / Production
Culver City, CA
323 677 2092
www.DigitalServiceStation.com
greg (at) SecretHQ.com
www.SecretHQ.com

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[Avid-L2] Last minute gift ideas.

 

http://society6.com/dutyfreak/Avid-keyboard_iPhone-Case

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Friday, December 20, 2013

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: SANmp users?

 

Thanks for the info John

On Dec 20, 2013, at 5:34 PM, johnrobmoore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

> I've been on one for about 4 years and while there are some gotchas given the ad hoc nature of our installation it works well and at our peak we had over 20 stations of Avid sharing projects through an older Unity and media was on the Sanmp. It seems to depend on the particular components use to set it up. The software seems stable in our mac environment but sometimes our hardware is lacking in throughput. I have my on online drive chassis and that works well for me but as we've shifted to HD we get more digistall like errors when 2 or more stations are trying to capture while I work. When running SD it wasn't as much of an issue but this is more indicative of the hardware not SanMp software. The major downside is it's a pieced together system not a turnkey setup so just like any 3rd party hardware festival you may have some headaches depending on who and how it is setup.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Scott Carmichael <sacarmic@...> wrote:
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>> Any SANmp users on this list? If so I would like to get your opinions on the product. Looking to move away from Commandsoft Fibrejet. THeir business practices sure don't seem to be what they used to.
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>> Indiana University
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[Avid-L2] Re: SANmp users?

 

I've been on one for about 4 years and while there are some gotchas given the ad hoc nature of our installation it works well and at our peak we had over 20 stations of Avid sharing projects through an older Unity and media was on the Sanmp. It seems to depend on the particular components use to set it up. The software seems stable in our mac environment but sometimes our hardware is lacking in throughput. I have my on online drive chassis and that works well for me but as we've shifted to HD we get more digistall like errors when 2 or more stations are trying to capture while I work. When running SD it wasn't as much of an issue but this is more indicative of the hardware not SanMp software. The major downside is it's a pieced together system not a turnkey setup so just like any 3rd party hardware festival you may have some headaches depending on who and how it is setup.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Scott Carmichael <sacarmic@...> wrote:
>
> Any SANmp users on this list? If so I would like to get your opinions on the product. Looking to move away from Commandsoft Fibrejet. THeir business practices sure don't seem to be what they used to.
>
> Scott
>
>
> --
> Scott Carmichael
> Motion Graphics Artist &
> DVD Specialist
> Radio/TV Services & WTIU-TV
> Indiana University
> TEL: 1-812-855-2126
> FAX: 1-812-855-0729
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