Saturday, May 24, 2014

Re: [Avid-L2] Color Correction and beyond...

 

This brings up an area I've thought about.  Resolve is powerful and has many features that are great but for my documentary/reality and prime time series work that extra power isn't really needed.  Sure I could add power windows and other tools to denoise etc... but I don't really get the time to do that.  In fact the extra time to round trip to Resolve would rarely warrant it's use even if the "look" would be marginally better.  For episodic television the post workflows seem to require more of the Resolve touches with the need to give a certain star the 5 year younger filter etc..

The smaller panels on Resolve work but I've been told by a colorist at NAB demoing Resolve that he is at least 50% faster when working with the full tilt Davinci panels than he is with the smaller panels.  This seems pretty obvious, who doesn't want dedicated knobs and switches so you can immediately see all the parameters without the need for excessive sub menus etc... 

The trend I see with Resolve is all the "creative" types just drool at the sound of color correcting in Resolve but when it comes to getting the real full tilt panels they always opt for the cheaper solutions.  I didn't grow up running a Davinci so I don't miss the big panels from a muscle memory perspective but I realize they would be helpful in speeding up the work.  To me the efficiency of the bigger panels warrant a good close look for smaller shops etc...  It's too bad production companies trying to bring everything in house don't even consider them because of the additional cost, perhaps some have but none of the ones I've been around have.  I guess what I'm really complaining about is no one wants to buy me a set of the big panels so I can get good and fast on Resolve.  Maybe it's true in color correction no one can hear me scream.  Avid sure hasn't heard me.  ;-(


---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <steve4lists@...> wrote :

I didn't say it wasn't possible, or that some people didn't like them. I should have clarified:

I have done interviews with dozens and dozens and dozens of full time high end colorists. These are people with the expensive panels that have to crank out a ton of graded shots every day. Those people are less inclined to use curves because it takes them longer to use the Curves than it does to use the trackballs and pots.

Avid does not have pots for RGB tweaking. Resolve does, and that is a faster method for the people who grade a LOT of footage. I know that the tools are there, but it depends on who you talk to to see WHICH tools get used the most. Jeff, I'm assuming you do NOT have the $25,000 Resolve panel.

Steve

On May 23, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Jeff Kreines jeff@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 



 On a Resolve, they pooh-pooh curves, but they have individual pots to change the RGB highlights, gamma and shadow. Without those controls you HAVE to resort to Curves. 


Say what?  I use curves all the time in Resolve 10.  

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync and Phrase Find no longer available

 

o for cryin out loud make a deal with 
them and make phonetic syncing too
Owen's iphone


On May 24, 2014, at 10:18 PM, "bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I use to see Film AEs manually put markers for points on the script by finding them manually so it can be done but it's a lot more time consuming than the phonetic search engine which is just Fing magical to watch.  Before it was an option the people would take in the transcript or script and match points along the dialogue.  So it can be done in a brute force method as far as I know.  The other thing to remember is you can create the script bins on an earlier version of Avid and they will work in later versions.  I haven't tried it but I'd be you could go back to Ver. 4 or at least 5.0.x where they still gave a free licensee to script sync for the existing users and do all your Scrip Syncing there and bring the scipt bin forward.  Unless the feature was somehow removed from the older versions.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync and Phrase Find no longer available

 

I use to see Film AEs manually put markers for points on the script by finding them manually so it can be done but it's a lot more time consuming than the phonetic search engine which is just Fing magical to watch.  Before it was an option the people would take in the transcript or script and match points along the dialogue.  So it can be done in a brute force method as far as I know.  The other thing to remember is you can create the script bins on an earlier version of Avid and they will work in later versions.  I haven't tried it but I'd be you could go back to Ver. 4 or at least 5.0.x where they still gave a free licensee to script sync for the existing users and do all your Scrip Syncing there and bring the scipt bin forward.  Unless the feature was somehow removed from the older versions.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Monitor calibration

 

I was a Harry artist as an example of an early heads up GUI it's wonderful but that level of illumination would never fly today. 

On 25 May, 2014, at 8:24 am, "Martin Euredjian martin_05@rocketmail.com [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

>> The first thing anything needs to do to a computer monitor 

First of all, damn iPad and it's smart word completion.  That's "anyone" not "anything".

> Interesting point, so I tried it.
...
> The problem: The loss of contrast made for a more accurate image in the video window, but it also made the Avid interface much more difficult to read.

Yeah, programmers and UI designers for some products are not necessarily aware of proper color evaluation environments and so you end-up with UI choices that might not work very well when the computer monitor is setup correctly (in the context of a color grading suite).

In the old days a lot of systems had UI's that ran on broadcast monitors.  The Quantel Harry compositing system was one such case.  That's evidence enough that it can be done and done very well.  It's a matter of creating awareness and having UI's that are designed in the proper context.  To me this would be a selling point.  It's about ensuring quality and consistency.


-Martin Euredjian


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Re: [Avid-L2] transcode speed

 

I'll send you some Alexa files shall I set you up an FTP on my site?

On 25 May, 2014, at 2:22 am, "'Edit B' bouke@editb.nl [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 



Not tried myself (yet, as i have never seen Alexa files), but a custom made FFmpeg script will outperform anything.
 
Bouke
 
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ColorFront or MTI Cortex

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BG


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Subject: [Avid-L2] transcode speed

can anyone tell me definitively what is the fastest method of transcoding,  let's say Alexa files to dnxhd 175x ?
resolve, avid media composer, or something else? assuming one uses the same computer and drives. thanks!
owen




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Re: [Avid-L2] Color Correction and beyond...

 

The up and down arrows are my go to method for moving curve points.  I tap the pin to make a point and highlight the box and arrow away.  Especially tapping the bottom point and adjusting black balance with the arrows.  Funny how things still pop up that I never thought about or noticed.  I'm going to have to review custom vectors in the help menu.  Perhaps I've been using them without knowing it.  Are these custom vectors the secondary boxes other than the basic 6 on the left IIRC?  Perhaps I've never turned them off because they are defaulted on?  So many little things that can slip by.

As far as Steve's rate for training some times a beer and an OKI dog is all it takes to pick someones brain.  Also some times Tektronix has Steve at NAB and other demos and those are the dog's bolix, not sure of spelling, for the British folks.



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <steve4lists@...> wrote :

I have a bone to pick with whoever color corrected the footage in the NBC Sports Top Ten Hockey Rivalries show. The night that I got back from the color correction session I saw this show and it needed some SERIOUS color correction work... lots of very old archival footage. Any time you see hockey ice that is yellow or magenta or pink you know you have a problem! All of it had the capability to be beautiful. But I know that the NEXT NBC Sports show I see will look great!

I really loved the energy and attitudes of the people I met at NBC. I don't know what the internal politics are day to day, but I saw a group of people that seemed cooperative and friendly and very experienced and, as Mick mentioned, really pumped up to be learning something new. It was very infectious. I even learned two new things about color correction when I was there myself to be honest.

One - I have always had "custom vectors" enabled on my Symphony systems since 1996 (beta). And when I went to show off custom vectors in one of the suites, I couldn't see the custom vector that I had qualified. But it was working even though I couldn't see the little "oval" custom vector. Then it happened again in another room. That's when I realized that custom vectors must be a setting... I looked for it and sure enough it was turned off in both rooms. I had no idea you can turn off custom vectors.

The other thing is when using curves, which I do a LOT, I know that you can use numeric values to adjust the curve point positions. But what I DIDN'T know was that it's possible to adjust those numeric values using your left and right or up and down arrow keys. Great tip. I've been using Curves for nearly 20 years and never discovered that until this week while I was supposed to be TEACHING! Awesome.

Steve

On May 23, 2014, at 4:32 AM, Michael O'Malley micktv1@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Ross, 

Truthfully, I don't know. The company paid for it. I'm sure Steve would be happy to discuss his fee with you "off-line".  I can tell you, getting fresh creative/technical input re-energized the whole team here. Folks have been discussing color correction here as much as the Hockey playoffs (Go Rangers!) or the Triple Crown. Maybe more! From a corporate standpoint, that's priceless. 

Mick



On May 23, 2014, at 2:40 AM, "Ross Fitts rfitts@... [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

This sounds like a great idea for a facility to do for its editors. How much does something like this cost? Would be OK to reply off-list if you think it's not appropriate for the list.

Thanks,
Ross
On Thursday, May 22, 2014 1:53 PM, "Steve Hullfish steve4lists@... [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Wow! Thanks for the endorsement Mick! I had a great time. What a cool facility and a great team of people. I had a blast speaking to about 20 editors and probably even more After Effects artists.

Steve Hullfish

On May 22, 2014, at 3:41 PM, "micktv1@... [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Hey Listers,
I just wanted to take a moment to tell you about a fantastic seminar our very own Steve Hullfish gave at NBC Sports (where I'm a freelancer) yesterday.  Steve explained the theory behind color correction and walked thru the process of assesing and correcting, even stylizing for different looks.  My colleagues and I picked up some great tips.  Steve was his usual easy-going, approachable self. After his presentation, he went edit bay to edit bay to answer specific questions we had.  I've been editing on Media Composer since '92 and I'm still learning new tricks.  Thanks again.

Mick

PS  He's got another book for sale too!  The First one is THE go to for CC!!





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Re: [Avid-L2] Monitor calibration

 

>> The first thing anything needs to do to a computer monitor 

First of all, damn iPad and it's smart word completion.  That's "anyone" not "anything".

> Interesting point, so I tried it.
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> The problem: The loss of contrast made for a more accurate image in the video window, but it also made the Avid interface much more difficult to read.

Yeah, programmers and UI designers for some products are not necessarily aware of proper color evaluation environments and so you end-up with UI choices that might not work very well when the computer monitor is setup correctly (in the context of a color grading suite).

In the old days a lot of systems had UI's that ran on broadcast monitors.  The Quantel Harry compositing system was one such case.  That's evidence enough that it can be done and done very well.  It's a matter of creating awareness and having UI's that are designed in the proper context.  To me this would be a selling point.  It's about ensuring quality and consistency.


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Re: [Avid-L2] Color Correction and beyond...

 


On May 24, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Agustin Goya agustingoya@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

As we move to Resolve for finishing, it no longer matters where you offline

Another question is this:  how usable will Resolve's new editing tools (in v11) be?  I'm sure they won't compete with MC, but you never know…

Jeff Kreines
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Re: [Avid-L2] Color Correction and beyond...

 


On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 10:12 AM, tcurren@aol.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
As we move to Resolve for finishing, it no longer matters where you offline. How many MC sales will that cost? And then how many Isis sales will that lack of MC sales cost, and that I assume it where it really afters to Avid.

I wish Avid had that logic. :-/

 
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Re: [Avid-L2] transcode speed

 



Not tried myself (yet, as i have never seen Alexa files), but a custom made FFmpeg script will outperform anything.
 
Bouke
 
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ColorFront or MTI Cortex

cheers,
BG


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Subject: [Avid-L2] transcode speed

can anyone tell me definitively what is the fastest method of transcoding,  let's say Alexa files to dnxhd 175x ?
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owen




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