Friday, February 17, 2017

Re: [Avid-L2] exports taking very long

 

sounds like your sequence has a clip or render at a higher resolution. Make sure everything is at 220 when you do your same as source because if there is a hint of 220x or 1:1, software will take the highest resolution and export it. 




From: "Lou Wirth loutv@mindspring.com [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com; Tim Selander <selander@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] exports taking very long

 
220 is current sequence.  Mix down and QT ref worked fine.  But everytime I go to conventional export same as source, it boggs down.  Still testing.


Lou Wirth Productions
500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
Corte Madera, CA 94925
415-924-9411p


 





On Feb 16, 2017, at 3:49 PM, Tim Selander selander@tkf.att.ne.jp [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Lou,

We also are still on 2009 MacPros and on the edge of buying black 
macs... but the main reason for the move is the assumption exports will 
go faster. So your experience is _very_ interesting to me. Are you 
exporting to DNX220 as well, or another codec? Please do keep posting 
the results of your testing!

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan

On 2017/02/17 5:22, Lou Wirth loutv@mindspring.com [Avid-L2] wrote:
> So I have moved on from the MacPro 2009 and decided to go with 4 year old technology rather than 9 and got a late 2013 model Vader mac. Sonnet box works great for Avid card, all drives and hubs working fine. Running MC 8.6.5 and all very responsive and renders are quick.
> But….
> Exports are taking forever if they go at all. I have a 9 minute sequence DNX 220. Normally in the old days (about five weeks ago) It would export to any drive and take a few minutes at most. Now that same sequence runs 20 minutes and still is only 70% done. Often I get a failed error.
>
> Anyone run into this on the newer macs or when using SATA and thunderbolt drives?
>
> Resorting to mixdown and will try that to see if I have any luck. QT reference won't work because I used AMA media which was all transcoded but doesn't seem to matter to Avid.
>
>
> thanks
>
> Lou
> Lou Wirth Productions
> 500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
> Corte Madera, CA 94925
> www.louwirth.com
> 415-924-9411p
>
>
>  
>
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>
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>
> ------------------------------------
> Posted by: Lou Wirth <loutv@mindspring.com>
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> this is the Avid-L2
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Thursday, February 16, 2017

Re: [Avid-L2] exports taking very long

 

220 is current sequence.  Mix down and QT ref worked fine.  But everytime I go to conventional export same as source, it boggs down.  Still testing.



Lou Wirth Productions
500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
Corte Madera, CA 94925
415-924-9411p


 





On Feb 16, 2017, at 3:49 PM, Tim Selander selander@tkf.att.ne.jp [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Lou,

We also are still on 2009 MacPros and on the edge of buying black 
macs... but the main reason for the move is the assumption exports will 
go faster. So your experience is _very_ interesting to me. Are you 
exporting to DNX220 as well, or another codec? Please do keep posting 
the results of your testing!

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan

On 2017/02/17 5:22, Lou Wirth loutv@mindspring.com [Avid-L2] wrote:
> So I have moved on from the MacPro 2009 and decided to go with 4 year old technology rather than 9 and got a late 2013 model Vader mac. Sonnet box works great for Avid card, all drives and hubs working fine. Running MC 8.6.5 and all very responsive and renders are quick.
> But….
> Exports are taking forever if they go at all. I have a 9 minute sequence DNX 220. Normally in the old days (about five weeks ago) It would export to any drive and take a few minutes at most. Now that same sequence runs 20 minutes and still is only 70% done. Often I get a failed error.
>
> Anyone run into this on the newer macs or when using SATA and thunderbolt drives?
>
> Resorting to mixdown and will try that to see if I have any luck. QT reference won't work because I used AMA media which was all transcoded but doesn't seem to matter to Avid.
>
>
> thanks
>
> Lou
> Lou Wirth Productions
> 500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
> Corte Madera, CA 94925
> www.louwirth.com
> 415-924-9411p
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
> Posted by: Lou Wirth <loutv@mindspring.com>
> ------------------------------------
>
> this is the Avid-L2
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Re: [Avid-L2] exports taking very long

 

Hey TIm,


See my other post detailing some tests I just did.  Ping me directly if you want more info.

- Rich Ford


On Feb 16, 2017, at 3:49 PM, Tim Selander selander@tkf.att.ne.jp [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Lou,

We also are still on 2009 MacPros and on the edge of buying black 
macs... but the main reason for the move is the assumption exports will 
go faster. So your experience is _very_ interesting to me. Are you 
exporting to DNX220 as well, or another codec? Please do keep posting 
the results of your testing!

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan

On 2017/02/17 5:22, Lou Wirth loutv@mindspring.com [Avid-L2] wrote:
> So I have moved on from the MacPro 2009 and decided to go with 4 year old technology rather than 9 and got a late 2013 model Vader mac. Sonnet box works great for Avid card, all drives and hubs working fine. Running MC 8.6.5 and all very responsive and renders are quick.
> But….
> Exports are taking forever if they go at all. I have a 9 minute sequence DNX 220. Normally in the old days (about five weeks ago) It would export to any drive and take a few minutes at most. Now that same sequence runs 20 minutes and still is only 70% done. Often I get a failed error.
>
> Anyone run into this on the newer macs or when using SATA and thunderbolt drives?
>
> Resorting to mixdown and will try that to see if I have any luck. QT reference won't work because I used AMA media which was all transcoded but doesn't seem to matter to Avid.
>
>
> thanks
>
> Lou
> Lou Wirth Productions
> 500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
> Corte Madera, CA 94925
> www.louwirth.com
> 415-924-9411p
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
> Posted by: Lou Wirth <loutv@mindspring.com>
> ------------------------------------
>
> this is the Avid-L2
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Re: [Avid-L2] exports taking very long

 

Lou,

We also are still on 2009 MacPros and on the edge of buying black
macs... but the main reason for the move is the assumption exports will
go faster. So your experience is _very_ interesting to me. Are you
exporting to DNX220 as well, or another codec? Please do keep posting
the results of your testing!

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan

On 2017/02/17 5:22, Lou Wirth loutv@mindspring.com [Avid-L2] wrote:
> So I have moved on from the MacPro 2009 and decided to go with 4 year old technology rather than 9 and got a late 2013 model Vader mac. Sonnet box works great for Avid card, all drives and hubs working fine. Running MC 8.6.5 and all very responsive and renders are quick.
> But….
> Exports are taking forever if they go at all. I have a 9 minute sequence DNX 220. Normally in the old days (about five weeks ago) It would export to any drive and take a few minutes at most. Now that same sequence runs 20 minutes and still is only 70% done. Often I get a failed error.
>
> Anyone run into this on the newer macs or when using SATA and thunderbolt drives?
>
> Resorting to mixdown and will try that to see if I have any luck. QT reference won't work because I used AMA media which was all transcoded but doesn't seem to matter to Avid.
>
>
> thanks
>
> Lou
> Lou Wirth Productions
> 500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
> Corte Madera, CA 94925
> www.louwirth.com
> 415-924-9411p
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
> Posted by: Lou Wirth <loutv@mindspring.com>
> ------------------------------------
>
> this is the Avid-L2
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Re: [Avid-L2] exports taking very long

 

So I decided to run a couple of quick tests.  Here are some of the result I am getting:


Hardware: MP trash can, 8 core GPU, 32GB RAM, AMD D700 GPUs, Gtech 8 TB Thunderbolt drive read/write.

Software:  OS X El Cap 10.11.4, MC 8.5.2

Sequence:  1080p 29.97, containing mostly 4K FS-7 (XAVC-I) talking heads shot over green screen, reframed, color graded & keyed over 1080p moGFX BGs with some text builds imported from 1080 P'shop layered files (up to 8 layers**).  I removed all renders before the tests. 

Sequence duration 5:50.

Export A:  QT DNxHD 145 (no mixdown), export time 7:15, so about 20% longer then real time.
(Exporting at DNx220 took 7:30, only 15 seconds longer)

Export B:  Mixdown seq. video to DNxHD 145, time 3.45
 Export QT SAS, time 2:35
 Total time 6:20.  

Add in the time to dupe the sequence, cut in the mixdown and delete the original video tracks, and Exports A & B take about the same amount of time.

I have used Export A on lots of complex timelines with no issues.

Incidentally, watching Activity Monitor, the Avid doesn't appear to use more then about a third of the CPU power when exporting, and about 2/3 of the CPU when doing a mixdown (don't know how much is being handed off to GPUs in either case).  

When I use Premiere or Adobe Media Encoder, the Activity Monitor shows all 16 (virtual) cores nearly pinned.  Score one for Adobe.

Hope this helps.

- Rich

**In Avid, with a foreground track of 4K XAVC-I with reframing, color grade and GS keying over moGFX and with 5-6 layers of Photoshop titles on top, and a couple of audio tracks using track processing, my rig will play at full res (green video quality) including through an AJA T-Tap to a client monitor in real time with no sweat. FWIW.


On Feb 16, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Greg Huson Greg@SecretHQ.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


We're still using cheese graters- but video mixdown has been the way to go for some time now- much, much faster.   Then export same-as-source and that's usually faster than realtime.  Be sure to set your contrast correctly in the export settings.

Exporting un-mixed-down video uses the QuickTime engine which is ancient now.  

________________________
Greg Huson
Secret Headquarters, Inc
Greg (at) SecretHQ.com

On Feb 16, 2017, at 12:22, Lou Wirth loutv@mindspring.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

So I have moved on from the MacPro 2009 and decided to go with 4 year old technology rather than 9 and got a late 2013 model Vader mac. Sonnet box works great for Avid card, all drives and hubs working fine. Running MC 8.6.5 and all very responsive and renders are quick.
But….
Exports are taking forever if they go at all. I have a 9 minute sequence DNX 220. Normally in the old days (about five weeks ago) It would export to any drive and take a few minutes at most. Now that same sequence runs 20 minutes and still is only 70% done. Often I get a failed error. 

Anyone run into this on the newer macs or when using SATA and thunderbolt drives?

Resorting to mixdown and will try that to see if I have any luck. QT reference won't work because I used AMA media which was all transcoded but doesn't seem to matter to Avid.

thanks 

Lou
Lou Wirth Productions
500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
Corte Madera, CA 94925
www.louwirth.com
415-924-9411p



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[Avid-L2] Downsizing My Studio

 

Hey Avid L2ers, I am downsizing my studio to become more mobile so I have some items for sale you may be interested in. They are as follows: 
 1- Sony PVW 2800 BetaSP editing deck, very good condition-$100.00
1 - JVC SVHS Deck, good condition - $25.00
1 - Table top rack, Good condition - $65.00

1 - Rolling Studio Rack Cabinet with Slant front - $99.00


Please contact me at rlandau@ncdm.tv if you are interested. I and the equipment are in Burbank


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Burbank CA

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this is the Avid-L2

.

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 1:48 PM 0 comments

Re: [Avid-L2] exports taking very long

 

We're still using cheese graters- but video mixdown has been the way to go for some time now- much, much faster.   Then export same-as-source and that's usually faster than realtime.  Be sure to set your contrast correctly in the export settings.

Exporting un-mixed-down video uses the QuickTime engine which is ancient now.  

________________________
Greg Huson
Secret Headquarters, Inc
Greg (at) SecretHQ.com

On Feb 16, 2017, at 12:22, Lou Wirth loutv@mindspring.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

So I have moved on from the MacPro 2009 and decided to go with 4 year old technology rather than 9 and got a late 2013 model Vader mac. Sonnet box works great for Avid card, all drives and hubs working fine. Running MC 8.6.5 and all very responsive and renders are quick.
But….
Exports are taking forever if they go at all. I have a 9 minute sequence DNX 220. Normally in the old days (about five weeks ago) It would export to any drive and take a few minutes at most. Now that same sequence runs 20 minutes and still is only 70% done. Often I get a failed error.

Anyone run into this on the newer macs or when using SATA and thunderbolt drives?

Resorting to mixdown and will try that to see if I have any luck. QT reference won't work because I used AMA media which was all transcoded but doesn't seem to matter to Avid.

thanks

Lou
Lou Wirth Productions
500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
Corte Madera, CA 94925
www.louwirth.com
415-924-9411p

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this is the Avid-L2

.

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Posted by Video Geek Squad at 12:47 PM 0 comments

[Avid-L2] exports taking very long

 

So I have moved on from the MacPro 2009 and decided to go with 4 year old technology rather than 9 and got a late 2013 model Vader mac. Sonnet box works great for Avid card, all drives and hubs working fine. Running MC 8.6.5 and all very responsive and renders are quick.
But….
Exports are taking forever if they go at all. I have a 9 minute sequence DNX 220. Normally in the old days (about five weeks ago) It would export to any drive and take a few minutes at most. Now that same sequence runs 20 minutes and still is only 70% done. Often I get a failed error.

Anyone run into this on the newer macs or when using SATA and thunderbolt drives?

Resorting to mixdown and will try that to see if I have any luck. QT reference won't work because I used AMA media which was all transcoded but doesn't seem to matter to Avid.

thanks

Lou
Lou Wirth Productions
500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
Corte Madera, CA 94925
www.louwirth.com
415-924-9411p

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Wednesday, February 15, 2017

[Avid-L2] Re: OT: Invalidated Mac OS Installers

 


I just went through this.  I have a utility a tech suggested that would make a bootable USB of the installer. 

In the past I have used the USB stick with success after being told to just set the computer date back as the installers had a time out and even if I to the 8 hours to reload the installer from the apps store or wherever it comes from it would still balk unless I set the date back.

Just last week I tried to use a 10.10.3 USB installer and it wouldn't work complaining that it couldn't verify the drive.  I still had the installer on my desktop and that one worked after I set the computer date back a ways.

Don't know why the USB was squawking but moving the system clock worked.  It really points to how unprofessional Apple has become.  Seriously the inability to have a viable installer that is bootable is a recipe for disaster.

---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <danlist@...> wrote :

This is for all you folks that keep old Mac OS installers around on USB
sticks etc. -

Yesterday I tried to install an older OS onto a laptop. No matter which
version I tried, the installer quit, saying it couldn't be validated.

It turns out that back in 2016 Apple updated the certificate for
installers so that those downloaded before Feb 14 2016 no longer work.

The very easy workaround is a terminal command using the utilities on
the installer to fool the computer into believing it is back in 2016
before the change.

Details can be found here:

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/03/03/older-os-x-installers-broken-by-certificate/

D.

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