Friday, March 20, 2015

Re: [Avid-L2] Is it possible for an audio mixer to delete shots and audio from a MCtimeline

 

yeah, if you got audio tracks back, and cut them in against your picture, and it stays in sync through out the entire piece then I would think that the scene was gone before it went to the mixer.


Jay

On Mar 20, 2015, at 11:21 AM, tcurren@aol.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



If you are just importing the audio tracks from ProTools and cutting them into your sequence, then no, nothing the mixer did to video in PT would matter as you only received audio back.  


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Re: [Avid-L2] Is it possible for an audio mixer to delete shots and audio from a MCtimeline

 

If you are just importing the audio tracks from ProTools and cutting them into your sequence, then no, nothing the mixer did to video in PT would matter as you only received audio back. 

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Re: [Avid-L2] Is it possible for an audio mixer to delete shots and audio from a MCtimeline

 

Thanks for the replays Terry, David, Jay and John. I should have elaborated the issue. I was at a test screening of a movie I am cutting and there was not enough time alotted for the director and myself to screen and QC it because the audio guy was four days late delivering the mix back to me. All I had time to do was put the mix tracks into the timeline, output a PRORES QuickTime and fedex the drive to the theater 350 miles away. I drove to the theater and watched and there was a whole scene missing. So I am asking if the mixer course have deleted it by mistake and I know very little about Protools.

The whole escapade was a text book case of Murphys Law. Low budget, last minute planning by the production and an overworked, sleep deprived mixer.

And to think I gave up a lucrative career in break dancing for this career! (Tongue implanted.firmly in my cheek).

Thanks for all your help.

Tony

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Re: [Avid-L2] DPX to deliverable file issues?

 

I have been testing on MC w/Symphony option, v 8.3, on Windows 7, using TerraBlock.

I've been using DPX frames sending out to flame and back for effect shots.  As long as some of the same old rules are respected the process is quite seamless (that AVID thinks in 709 color space). DPX can contain additional metadata, primarily timecode coming in and going out, which is very handy over using TIFF sequences.  Roundtripping to Flame sees NO gamma or level shifts when the settings are matched.

Bringing in frames are always an AMA link, and you need REALLY fast storage, lots of ram and cores to play back in real time, but once transcoded to a "native" AVID codec playback performance is much better.

My primary irritation is that you can't save the AMA export settings (or profiles, as in AS-11).  The defaults AVID picked are all wrong so it's a PITA.  They offer 8, 10 and 16 bit export on DPX frames, but the manual says only 10 bit are currently supported. This is especially "funny" since the avid output module defaults to 8 bit.

DPX frame exports don't come close to real time.  If you are exporting anything long form it will take you many times real time, depending on your storage and CPU power.

Also did some tests using DPX for UHD workflows.  In my testing of a DPX in and DPX out online methodology, I have discovered that with many plugins (not all) the DPX export fails to output the rendered result, and instead exports the un-effected background layer of the top piece of video under a plugin.  Only way around this is to do a video mixdown.  But sadly you have to use a DNxHR resolution for your mixdown, as an uncompressed UHD output is not yet offered.

I am hopeful many of these issues get sorted quickly.

Dave Hogan
Burbank, CA



On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:03 AM, "owen owen@thenowcorporation.com [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Hi,
DPX files opened in Avid, conformed and exported for broadcast on MC 8 ? Are there going to be the old
Gamma etc issues? Has anyone on the L tested this yet?

owen


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Re: [Avid-L2] Is it possible for an audio mixer to delete shots and audio from a MCtimeline

 

Damn typos at 7am.  That last line should read 


so that there are NO events in the timeline when I send it off.

sorry about that.

Jay

On Mar 20, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Jay Mahavier jay_mahavier@earthlink.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



You are wrong.  I totally assume that he gave an Avid bin and MXF media to a mixer who loaded it all up in MC that was set up to be used for video playback in chase mode.  And then somehow went and deleted some tracks or something and is trying to say that it was delivered that way.  But hey, I might be wrong and just really biased because of personal experience.  And that is how I learned to deliver a AAF of the audio tracks and do a video mix down of the sequence so that there are events in the timeline when I send it off.

Jay


On Mar 20, 2015, at 7:03 AM, John Pale pale.edit@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



I think you guys are assuming the OP actually wants to do this.  Sounds to me like he may be investigating whether the ProTools editor is responsible for an issue.  Maybe.


On Friday, March 20, 2015, Jay Mahavier jay_mahavier@earthlink.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I believe that it's possible for ProTools to use a MC in some sort of lock chase mode to playback picture from a regular ol' Avid sequence. And that MC is a full functioning editor. So yeah, they could do that.

Jay

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Re: [Avid-L2] Is it possible for an audio mixer to delete shots and audio from a MCtimeline

 

You are wrong.  I totally assume that he gave an Avid bin and MXF media to a mixer who loaded it all up in MC that was set up to be used for video playback in chase mode.  And then somehow went and deleted some tracks or something and is trying to say that it was delivered that way.  But hey, I might be wrong and just really biased because of personal experience.  And that is how I learned to deliver a AAF of the audio tracks and do a video mix down of the sequence so that there are events in the timeline when I send it off.


Jay


On Mar 20, 2015, at 7:03 AM, John Pale pale.edit@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



I think you guys are assuming the OP actually wants to do this.  Sounds to me like he may be investigating whether the ProTools editor is responsible for an issue.  Maybe.


On Friday, March 20, 2015, Jay Mahavier jay_mahavier@earthlink.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I believe that it's possible for ProTools to use a MC in some sort of lock chase mode to playback picture from a regular ol' Avid sequence. And that MC is a full functioning editor. So yeah, they could do that.

Jay

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Re: [Avid-L2] Is it possible for an audio mixer to delete shots and audio from a MCtimeline

 

I think you guys are assuming the OP actually wants to do this.  Sounds to me like he may be investigating whether the ProTools editor is responsible for an issue.  Maybe.



On Friday, March 20, 2015, Jay Mahavier jay_mahavier@earthlink.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I believe that it's possible for ProTools to use a MC in some sort of lock chase mode to playback picture from a regular ol' Avid sequence. And that MC is a full functioning editor. So yeah, they could do that.

Jay

> On Mar 19, 2015, at 7:59 PM, tonybreuer@mac.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Re: [Avid-L2] Is it possible for an audio mixer to delete shots and audio from a MCtimeline

 

I believe that it's possible for ProTools to use a MC in some sort of lock chase mode to playback picture from a regular ol' Avid sequence. And that MC is a full functioning editor. So yeah, they could do that.

Jay

> On Mar 19, 2015, at 7:59 PM, tonybreuer@mac.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Re: [Avid-L2] Is it possible for an audio mixer to delete shots and audio from a MCtimeline

 

Deleting audio of course is simple in ProTools bring it down to 0. Extend, move, copy or trim out audio around it or, novel thought, replace it with audio from external sources.

You need to  go back and compare it with your copy of what was sent their way by the sounds of it. I hop you can square it up.

As for the video???

D

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 6:59 PM, tonybreuer@mac.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Sent to him for the mix?

Thanks. Tony


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RE: [Avid-L2] RED workflow guide

 

Why not try the Avid workflow forum over at Reduser?  Some good advice on that forum;

http://www.reduser.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?21-Avid-Workflow

Aldo Avid produced a digital cinema cameras workflow pdf recently;

http://www.avid.com/static/resources/documents/whitepapers/digital_camera/digital_camera_workflow_whitepaper_us.pdf

Andi



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From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 12:01:28 -0700
Subject: [Avid-L2] RED workflow guide

 
Google leads me to offline pages and old documents. An AE friend is looking for a definitive Avid RED workflow guide. Anyone want to recommend their favorite?

gh
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Thursday, March 19, 2015

[Avid-L2] Re: Is it possible for an audio mixer to delete shots and audio from a MCtimeline

 

With the Complete Production Tool Kit (CPTK) option you could do rudimentary trimming of the video track. I think that was killed along with CPTK in ProTools 11. I Reserve the right to be wrong as I have never actually done this.

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Sent to him for the mix?

Thanks. Tony

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Re: [Avid-L2] RED workflow guide

 

Assistant Editor?  I don't get consulted until it's a screwed up.  I haven't hammered on Red since we went to Alexa but isn't it hard to go wrong with an ama link and transcode?  I do remember that Avid's ama link did not recognize the embedded Reel/Tape name that Resolve did and that it seemed that using Resolve to create the Avid media would insure that the tape name from Avid would correlate in Resolve if Resolve was used to create the offline media so that is something to consider.  I also was able to ama link to Red and add tape  names manually in Avid then send an aaf that worked in Resolve even though it's tape names were different. 

I should mention these were very straight forward shows with six camera multicam with virtually no effects so they did not have the typical complexity of most shows I work on.  I think my aaf success was in large part due to the straight forward nature of the show.  It was unwieldy in Avid with the entire hour plus timeline ama linked to Red Raw files but I'm on 5.5.x so that may have contributed to the instability.



---In avid-l2@yahoogroups.com, <Greg@...> wrote :

Somehow, John, I don't think the Assistant Editor is consulted before a camera is chosen. Did you ever find a suitable guide?

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> On Mar 19, 2015, at 12:29 PM, bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Google leads me to offline pages and old documents. An AE friend is looking for a definitive Avid RED workflow guide. Anyone want to recommend their favorite?
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> Production / Post Production
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> www.DigitalServiceStation.com
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