Saturday, March 15, 2014

Re: [Avid-L2] Transfer between MC7.0 and AE CC of AAF and media - codecs not seen by AE

 

So when you import the aaf into AE it takes the .mxf avid media files and makes it's own copy that has a .mov extension.  Am I understanding this correctly?  I would take that to mean AE is rewrapping the video essence into a QT wrapper and not just changing the extension.  Again I'm only speculating out loud.  From what you say it sounds like the time code is getting changed in the process.  This points to the possibility that there may be something going on with the pointers from avid and whether they are getting changed because the aaf is using consolidated media as it's reference as opposed to the original full length clip.  Maybe something like that is counting just the handles from the first frame of the clip instead of referencing actual time code.  Like when you decompose an imported clip with handles and then a subsequent batch import only counts the handle length from the first frame of the clip which can lead to all kinds of shifts or fits to fill etc... 

When you say the time code is off is it close but off are completely in another world hours away?

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Re: [Avid-L2] Transfer between MC7.0 and AE CC of AAF and media - codecs not seen by AE

 

Actually the originals were XDCAM (C300) but I had transcoded them before editing together the original sequence.


Steve

On Mar 15, 2014, at 8:10 PM, hoplist@hillmanncarr.com wrote:

 

I can't offer much help except to say that I have had the experience of receiving Avid XDCAM MXF exports that Premiere CS6 could not load, but MC on the same system could.  I'm assuming your files are DNxHD, so not directly analogous.  Just commisserating.


Cheers,
                  tod


Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
2233 Wisconsin Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20007
202-342-0001







On Mar 15, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@veralith.com> wrote:

I did a straight export of an Avid sequence to AAF, then imported that into AE (This is MCv7.03 and AE CS5.x). On the computer on which the media originally resided, the transfer worked perfectly. The Avid sequence opened in AE CS5.x and linked to the correct media files, which had been consolidated in MC and which sat in the Avid Mediafiles folder.

Then I copied those media files to another hard drive and I'm trying to relink to media on two different computers - one WITH Media Composer installed, and another WITHOUT Media Composer installed. I can't get any of the Avid MXF media to relink correctly on either computer. On the system without MC, we downloaded the Avid codecs and installed them from the Avid website. On the system WITH MC, shouldn't the Avid codecs automatically work in AE? Aren't codecs system wide?

How can I check to see if AE can use Avid codecs (MXF files)? And if they ARE installed correctly, and AE still doesn't link to the proper files, how do you force a link in AE to the correct media files? I think I know how to do it on individual files, but there are 60 media files. I'd hate to have to individually track down the correct media file for each layer in AE and hand link it.

On a MacBookPro running 10.8.5 that has MC 7.0.3 installed and working fine, shouldn't AE CC automatically have the proper codecs installed to be able to read .MXF files? I am trying to hand-replace each file... relinking the AE source clip to an Avid .MXF media and AE says that the files are unsupported or damaged. When I linked one of the straight .PNG files (which were also missing), AE automatically linked to ALL 175 non-Avid sources and displayed them properly in the AE CC project. So I'm just missing the Avid media in the AE CC project. How do I know if AE has the Avid DNxHD/MXF codec installed properly?

Anybody had any luck transferring between Avid and AE (not using Automatic Duck, but just simple AAF)? This DID work on the one computer where the media originated and I had only AE5.x installed. But using AE CC and "moved media" I'm not having any luck.

Steve




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Re: [Avid-L2] Transfer between MC7.0 and AE CC of AAF and media - codecs not seen by AE

 

I had done just that. But when you replace the original file with the .mxf (which is the way that AE makes the transfer - to the same file, but with a .mov suffix for some reason) then it DOES show you the correct file in AE, but the references to the correct timecode are screwed up.


Steve

On Mar 15, 2014, at 8:06 PM, bigfish@pacbell.net wrote:

 

Steve,
I don't have any experience in this workflow but for the sake of trouble shooting can you take one of the problem Avid .mxf files and reveal the exact file for that with avid and then see if you could manually import that file into the AE project.  At least that would tell you if AE can handle the file technically then it's some form of relinking voodoo going on, or whatever the proper AE term is for what Avid call relinkin.  Are you dealing with group clips or multigroup clips in the avid timeline.  If so perhaps commiting multicam before exporting the aaf might have an effect.  These are just guesses on my part so take them with a grain of salt.


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Re: [Avid-L2] Transfer between MC7.0 and AE CC of AAF and media - codecs not seen by AE

 

I can't offer much help except to say that I have had the experience of receiving Avid XDCAM MXF exports that Premiere CS6 could not load, but MC on the same system could.  I'm assuming your files are DNxHD, so not directly analogous.  Just commisserating.


Cheers,
                  tod


Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
2233 Wisconsin Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20007
202-342-0001







On Mar 15, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@veralith.com> wrote:

I did a straight export of an Avid sequence to AAF, then imported that into AE (This is MCv7.03 and AE CS5.x). On the computer on which the media originally resided, the transfer worked perfectly. The Avid sequence opened in AE CS5.x and linked to the correct media files, which had been consolidated in MC and which sat in the Avid Mediafiles folder.

Then I copied those media files to another hard drive and I'm trying to relink to media on two different computers - one WITH Media Composer installed, and another WITHOUT Media Composer installed. I can't get any of the Avid MXF media to relink correctly on either computer. On the system without MC, we downloaded the Avid codecs and installed them from the Avid website. On the system WITH MC, shouldn't the Avid codecs automatically work in AE? Aren't codecs system wide?

How can I check to see if AE can use Avid codecs (MXF files)? And if they ARE installed correctly, and AE still doesn't link to the proper files, how do you force a link in AE to the correct media files? I think I know how to do it on individual files, but there are 60 media files. I'd hate to have to individually track down the correct media file for each layer in AE and hand link it.

On a MacBookPro running 10.8.5 that has MC 7.0.3 installed and working fine, shouldn't AE CC automatically have the proper codecs installed to be able to read .MXF files? I am trying to hand-replace each file... relinking the AE source clip to an Avid .MXF media and AE says that the files are unsupported or damaged. When I linked one of the straight .PNG files (which were also missing), AE automatically linked to ALL 175 non-Avid sources and displayed them properly in the AE CC project. So I'm just missing the Avid media in the AE CC project. How do I know if AE has the Avid DNxHD/MXF codec installed properly?

Anybody had any luck transferring between Avid and AE (not using Automatic Duck, but just simple AAF)? This DID work on the one computer where the media originated and I had only AE5.x installed. But using AE CC and "moved media" I'm not having any luck.

Steve


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[Avid-L2] Re: Transfer between MC7.0 and AE CC of AAF and media - codecs not seen by AE

 

Steve,
I don't have any experience in this workflow but for the sake of trouble shooting can you take one of the problem Avid .mxf files and reveal the exact file for that with avid and then see if you could manually import that file into the AE project.  At least that would tell you if AE can handle the file technically then it's some form of relinking voodoo going on, or whatever the proper AE term is for what Avid call relinkin.  Are you dealing with group clips or multigroup clips in the avid timeline.  If so perhaps commiting multicam before exporting the aaf might have an effect.  These are just guesses on my part so take them with a grain of salt.

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[Avid-L2] Re: Re-create Title Media... 2nd time keeps the proper formatting, first time wrong.

 

I've had that behavior too on the same system specs.  If I recreate titles in an entire sequence some of them come out wrong.  As you say recreating them fixes it.  Annoying to say the least.  I'm not positive but it seems recreating individually is less prone to this but I haven't tried recreating the entire timeline of titles a 2nd time to compare the results I just fix the ones that are off.

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[Avid-L2] Re: Re-create Title Media... 2nd time keeps the proper formatting, first time wrong.

 

Hence the lesser known saying:

"The second time's the charm."

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[Avid-L2] Re-create Title Media... 2nd time keeps the proper formatting, first time wrong.

 

When using the "Clip>Re-create Title Media..." Avid command.


I find that to keep the formatting correct I need to re-create the title media a second time.

The first time the Avid is creating wrong formatting, in other words wrong Kerning and Leading.

I found that if I re-create the media a second time the formatting is perfect/as intended.

Just thought I would share this workflow solution that is working!!!


The system info I am seeing this on - Macintosh Avid Media Composer version 5.5.3.7 - Macintosh OS X version 10.6.8


Amazing

- scott freeman

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Re: [Avid-L2] Your Editing Lacks Continuity

 


On Mar 15, 2014, at 12:06 PM, <tcurren@aol.com> wrote:

> Hee hee hee.

I shrug:

I didn't see anything wrong with it.    ;)

Dennis Degan, Video Editor-Consultant-Knowledge Bank
    NBC Today Show, New York


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Re: [Avid-L2] Transfer between MC7.0 and AE CC of AAF and media - codecs not seen by AE

 

I'm using AE CC, and it can't read the MXF files, even when I try to hand-replace the original files with the specific MXF file that I know I want. This is on a computer with both AE CC and MC7 installed.


I appreciate the response, John. Thanks. I may try running it through Premiere CC before taking it into AE CC.

Does anyone have any experience with the Boris Transfer product? And how does it deal with the Avid media, beyond simply getting the AAF from MC to AE? That part is already working. I see my Avid project perfectly recreated inside AE CC (as far as the "EDL" is concerned), but the media is not linking properly.

Steve

On Mar 15, 2014, at 12:28 PM, John Pale <pale.edit@gmail.com> wrote:

 

A couple of things.


The downloadable Avid codecs from the Avid website have nothing to do with MXF media.  They are QuickTime components and only work with media in a QuickTime wrapper. 

Its my understanding support for Avid MXF media is built directly into Adobe After Effects (and other Adobe Apps).  The best support is in CC apps, but some support is there in older versions.

I believe Adobe apps know nothing about media databases and use the original file path for linking, which would be different when moving the material to another machine.  So yes, you may have to link file by file.  Premiere Pro CC has a much improved relink dialog, with robust options, so you might want to try opening the sequence there, relink, and then send it to AE.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Transfer between MC7.0 and AE CC of AAF and media - codecs not seen by AE

 

A couple of things.


The downloadable Avid codecs from the Avid website have nothing to do with MXF media.  They are QuickTime components and only work with media in a QuickTime wrapper. 

Its my understanding support for Avid MXF media is built directly into Adobe After Effects (and other Adobe Apps).  The best support is in CC apps, but some support is there in older versions.

I believe Adobe apps know nothing about media databases and use the original file path for linking, which would be different when moving the material to another machine.  So yes, you may have to link file by file.  Premiere Pro CC has a much improved relink dialog, with robust options, so you might want to try opening the sequence there, relink, and then send it to AE.





On Saturday, March 15, 2014, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@veralith.com> wrote:
 

I did a straight export of an Avid sequence to AAF, then imported that into AE (This is MCv7.03 and AE CS5.x). On the computer on which the media originally resided, the transfer worked perfectly. The Avid sequence opened in AE CS5.x and linked to the correct media files, which had been consolidated in MC and which sat in the Avid Mediafiles folder.

Then I copied those media files to another hard drive and I'm trying to relink to media on two different computers - one WITH Media Composer installed, and another WITHOUT Media Composer installed. I can't get any of the Avid MXF media to relink correctly on either computer. On the system without MC, we downloaded the Avid codecs and installed them from the Avid website. On the system WITH MC, shouldn't the Avid codecs automatically work in AE? Aren't codecs system wide?

How can I check to see if AE can use Avid codecs (MXF files)? And if they ARE installed correctly, and AE still doesn't link to the proper files, how do you force a link in AE to the correct media files? I think I know how to do it on individual files, but there are 60 media files. I'd hate to have to individually track down the correct media file for each layer in AE and hand link it.

On a MacBookPro running 10.8.5 that has MC 7.0.3 installed and working fine, shouldn't AE CC automatically have the proper codecs installed to be able to read .MXF files? I am trying to hand-replace each file... relinking the AE source clip to an Avid .MXF media and AE says that the files are unsupported or damaged. When I linked one of the straight .PNG files (which were also missing), AE automatically linked to ALL 175 non-Avid sources and displayed them properly in the AE CC project. So I'm just missing the Avid media in the AE CC project. How do I know if AE has the Avid DNxHD/MXF codec installed properly?

Anybody had any luck transferring between Avid and AE (not using Automatic Duck, but just simple AAF)? This DID work on the one computer where the media originated and I had only AE5.x installed. But using AE CC and "moved media" I'm not having any luck.

Steve

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[Avid-L2] Export to Squeeze

 

Hi Guys -

Working MC 7.0.2 on an Imac.  Footage shot on a Sony EX3, converted to MXF, imported into Avid.

Trying to export to Squeeze - but all I get is a back video track with audio.  I've run into this before, but I can't remember what I did to solve it.  Anyone have any ideas?

All tracks are enabled.

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[Avid-L2] Your Editing Lacks Continuity

 
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[Avid-L2] Transfer between MC7.0 and AE CC of AAF and media - codecs not seen by AE

 

I did a straight export of an Avid sequence to AAF, then imported that into AE (This is MCv7.03 and AE CS5.x). On the computer on which the media originally resided, the transfer worked perfectly. The Avid sequence opened in AE CS5.x and linked to the correct media files, which had been consolidated in MC and which sat in the Avid Mediafiles folder.

Then I copied those media files to another hard drive and I'm trying to relink to media on two different computers - one WITH Media Composer installed, and another WITHOUT Media Composer installed. I can't get any of the Avid MXF media to relink correctly on either computer. On the system without MC, we downloaded the Avid codecs and installed them from the Avid website. On the system WITH MC, shouldn't the Avid codecs automatically work in AE? Aren't codecs system wide?

How can I check to see if AE can use Avid codecs (MXF files)? And if they ARE installed correctly, and AE still doesn't link to the proper files, how do you force a link in AE to the correct media files? I think I know how to do it on individual files, but there are 60 media files. I'd hate to have to individually track down the correct media file for each layer in AE and hand link it.

On a MacBookPro running 10.8.5 that has MC 7.0.3 installed and working fine, shouldn't AE CC automatically have the proper codecs installed to be able to read .MXF files? I am trying to hand-replace each file... relinking the AE source clip to an Avid .MXF media and AE says that the files are unsupported or damaged. When I linked one of the straight .PNG files (which were also missing), AE automatically linked to ALL 175 non-Avid sources and displayed them properly in the AE CC project. So I'm just missing the Avid media in the AE CC project. How do I know if AE has the Avid DNxHD/MXF codec installed properly?

Anybody had any luck transferring between Avid and AE (not using Automatic Duck, but just simple AAF)? This DID work on the one computer where the media originated and I had only AE5.x installed. But using AE CC and "moved media" I'm not having any luck.

Steve

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