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Avid-L was established in 1994 at Calvin College by Steven Koster.
It was created to be a forum for Avid users to meet, discuss, and share
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Avid-L quickly grew into the premiere on-line users group for
professional film and video editors. It was one of the earliest examples

of an Internet community, allowing hundreds of editors worldwide to
share their experiences and expertise with their peers. There was no
better place for a professional Avid editor to get such wealth of
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At various times, individual subscribers volunteered services to the
group. Searchable archives were maintained by Germany's Berlin Users
Group as well as the UIUC. A tips & tricks list was posted by Andy
Birkhead of Innovative Edit. Wes Plate, a longtime contributor, not only

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the NAB trade show in Las Vegas. The first gatherings were organized by Jaime Fowler. In 1999,
Avid Technology itself began sponsoring these gatherings as an exclusive reception and seminar for Avid-L members only. In 2002, this changed to the "Avid Users Group" meeting.

By 1999, Avid-L boasted over 1600 subscribers, exhibiting a true
international scope with over 300 international members. The community
included participants from a wide variety of well-known corporate
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as well as and multiple local TV stations, colleges, and universities.

In 2000, Avid-L joined AvidProNet.com, and then, in 2002, was integrated
Into Avid.com.

In 2005 Due to problems with signal to noise ratio and abusive posters, the Avid-L2 was formed. A year later the Avid-L was discontinued by Avid.

At the middle of 2006, the L2 has around 1100 members, with plenty of "lurker only" members who simply use the web version of the list. The L2 is spam-free, by moderation and with Yahoo's tools and will remain that way. The integrated archives with both old L and L2 posts came on line recently as well at the University of Illinois. That can be found at http://archives.itg.uiuc.edu/avid/.

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[Avid-L2] Changing default background render priority settings

 

Anyone know of a way to change the priority settings on a background
render cue other than one at a time?

Any way to change the default background render setting from "low"?

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Re: [Avid-L2] "Camera Shake" effects for airplane in turbulence? Also green-screen of flying through storm?

 

I have also seen a New Blue FX called Active Camera which IIRC will fill in any edges with video derived from the last valid edge video and or an inversion of the edge video.  It reminded me of how KScope handled  similar edge video issues with a few choices of how to fill in what would otherwise appear as black.



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <bigfish@...> wrote :

I've had this done as well on a dino series where the they wanted mild shaking and erratic jolts when the dino stepped down on the ground.  It required being mindful of blowing up the results so there was not visible edges.  QC caught them down the line.


---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <bncrcaxlr@...> wrote :

Hi Wilson,

Here's my suggestion.

I'd put a target on the wall and shoot it with a cheap consumer camera. I would imagine the shake and the duration of it and do 20 or more different takes while shaking the camera. Do a higher frame rate to avoid the blur.

Then, load it in the Avid ,stabilize each shot separately and save the fx (without media) to a bin.

Once applied to a stable shot, these fx will shake it just like the ones you shot.

I did it before and after a bit of trial and error, I got the result I was looking for.

Marcel



On 27/07/2017 2:15 PM, wilsonchao@... [Avid-L2] wrote:

L'ers - I'm involved in a documentary now in preproduction about Pan American Airways, which includes a dramatic re-enactment of an airliner crashing in bad weather in 1928.  For this scene we'll build a life-size replica of a portion of the plane (the cockpit plus the front of the passenger compartment).   We're now weighing the pros & cons of physical effects versus postproduction special effects, and I'd like to pose 2 related questions to the Hive Mind:


1)  Has anybody here done "camera shake" effects in post, to simulate air turbulence as seen inside an airplane during a storm?  If not for an airplane in turbulence, possibly for a building in an earthquake or something similar?   One alternative to this, as currently advocated by our excellent set designer, is to physically shake the entire set during shooting, but that poses challenges of its own.


2)  Has anybody here done a green-screen composite of "flying through a storm" including clouds, fog, and rain seen through a windshield?  If not for an airplane, for a car or other vehicle?  Here too we have the alternative of physically creating rain and fog on set, but that also has complications.


Any successes, failures, encouragements or warnings would be greatly appreciated!


Wilson Chao

"Across the Pacific"

617.935.1872


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Friday, July 28, 2017

Re: [Avid-L2] "Camera Shake" effects for airplane in turbulence? Also green-screen of flying through storm?

 

I've had this done as well on a dino series where the they wanted mild shaking and erratic jolts when the dino stepped down on the ground.  It required being mindful of blowing up the results so there was not visible edges.  QC caught them down the line.



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <bncrcaxlr@...> wrote :

Hi Wilson,

Here's my suggestion.

I'd put a target on the wall and shoot it with a cheap consumer camera. I would imagine the shake and the duration of it and do 20 or more different takes while shaking the camera. Do a higher frame rate to avoid the blur.

Then, load it in the Avid ,stabilize each shot separately and save the fx (without media) to a bin.

Once applied to a stable shot, these fx will shake it just like the ones you shot.

I did it before and after a bit of trial and error, I got the result I was looking for.

Marcel



On 27/07/2017 2:15 PM, wilsonchao@... [Avid-L2] wrote:

L'ers - I'm involved in a documentary now in preproduction about Pan American Airways, which includes a dramatic re-enactment of an airliner crashing in bad weather in 1928.  For this scene we'll build a life-size replica of a portion of the plane (the cockpit plus the front of the passenger compartment).   We're now weighing the pros & cons of physical effects versus postproduction special effects, and I'd like to pose 2 related questions to the Hive Mind:


1)  Has anybody here done "camera shake" effects in post, to simulate air turbulence as seen inside an airplane during a storm?  If not for an airplane in turbulence, possibly for a building in an earthquake or something similar?   One alternative to this, as currently advocated by our excellent set designer, is to physically shake the entire set during shooting, but that poses challenges of its own.


2)  Has anybody here done a green-screen composite of "flying through a storm" including clouds, fog, and rain seen through a windshield?  If not for an airplane, for a car or other vehicle?  Here too we have the alternative of physically creating rain and fog on set, but that also has complications.


Any successes, failures, encouragements or warnings would be greatly appreciated!


Wilson Chao

"Across the Pacific"

617.935.1872


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Re: [Avid-L2] "Camera Shake" effects for airplane in turbulence? Also green-screen of flying through storm?

 

Oh I was just going to suggest the Star Trek effect but you beat me to it.  ;-) 

Perhaps William Shatner is available to come teach cast and crew the proper ways to sell the shot?  Now that would be something I'd pay to see.



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <jay_mahavier@...> wrote :

One of the issues of adding post shake is that you have to enlarge the image to allow for image movement and rotation.  So depending on how violent you want the shake to be you may be doing a lot of enlarging.  So if it's possible to shoot 4k for a 2k of HD final I would suggest doing that and farming really wide.

The other thing is that what usually gives away a post process shake is the lack of depth movement cues.  So as the camera is moving in a real world situation it is not just moving up and down but also forward an backwards and all of those have subtle cues in the parallax of objects in relation to one another.  The more shake you add the more noticeable it is that it's fake.

Also, there is the other than camera movement that indicates something is wrong.  Will the performers be expected to throw themselves around the set like the original series Star Trek?  

Jay


On Jul 27, 2017, at 1:15 PM, wilsonchao@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



L'ers - I'm involved in a documentary now in preproduction about Pan American Airways, which includes a dramatic re-enactment of an airliner crashing in bad weather in 1928.  For this scene we'll build a life-size replica of a portion of the plane (the cockpit plus the front of the passenger compartment).   We're now weighing the pros & cons of physical effects versus postproduction special effects, and I'd like to pose 2 related questions to the Hive Mind:


1)  Has anybody here done "camera shake" effects in post, to simulate air turbulence as seen inside an airplane during a storm?  If not for an airplane in turbulence, possibly for a building in an earthquake or something similar?   One alternative to this, as currently advocated by our excellent set designer, is to physically shake the entire set during shooting, but that poses challenges of its own.


2)  Has anybody here done a green-screen composite of "flying through a storm" including clouds, fog, and rain seen through a windshield?  If not for an airplane, for a car or other vehicle?  Here too we have the alternative of physically creating rain and fog on set, but that also has complications.


Any successes, failures, encouragements or warnings would be greatly appreciated!


Wilson Chao

"Across the Pacific"

617.935.1872




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Re: [Avid-L2] "Camera Shake" effects for airplane in turbulence? Also green-screen of flying through storm?

 

One of the issues of adding post shake is that you have to enlarge the image to allow for image movement and rotation.  So depending on how violent you want the shake to be you may be doing a lot of enlarging.  So if it's possible to shoot 4k for a 2k of HD final I would suggest doing that and farming really wide.


The other thing is that what usually gives away a post process shake is the lack of depth movement cues.  So as the camera is moving in a real world situation it is not just moving up and down but also forward an backwards and all of those have subtle cues in the parallax of objects in relation to one another.  The more shake you add the more noticeable it is that it's fake.

Also, there is the other than camera movement that indicates something is wrong.  Will the performers be expected to throw themselves around the set like the original series Star Trek?  

Jay


On Jul 27, 2017, at 1:15 PM, wilsonchao@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



L'ers - I'm involved in a documentary now in preproduction about Pan American Airways, which includes a dramatic re-enactment of an airliner crashing in bad weather in 1928.  For this scene we'll build a life-size replica of a portion of the plane (the cockpit plus the front of the passenger compartment).   We're now weighing the pros & cons of physical effects versus postproduction special effects, and I'd like to pose 2 related questions to the Hive Mind:


1)  Has anybody here done "camera shake" effects in post, to simulate air turbulence as seen inside an airplane during a storm?  If not for an airplane in turbulence, possibly for a building in an earthquake or something similar?   One alternative to this, as currently advocated by our excellent set designer, is to physically shake the entire set during shooting, but that poses challenges of its own.


2)  Has anybody here done a green-screen composite of "flying through a storm" including clouds, fog, and rain seen through a windshield?  If not for an airplane, for a car or other vehicle?  Here too we have the alternative of physically creating rain and fog on set, but that also has complications.


Any successes, failures, encouragements or warnings would be greatly appreciated!


Wilson Chao

"Across the Pacific"

617.935.1872




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Re: [Avid-L2] edited on set - was: Where are SubCap Effect "Global Properties" stored?

 

Does he explain best SubCap usage practices?  



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Re: [Avid-L2] "Camera Shake" effects for airplane in turbulence? Also green-screen of flying through storm?

 







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Subject: [Avid-L2] "Camera Shake" effects for airplane in turbulence? Also green-screen of flying through storm?
 
 
L'ers - I'm involved in a documentary now in preproduction about Pan American Airways, which includes a dramatic re-enactment of an airliner crashing in bad weather in 1928.  For this scene we'll build a life-size replica of a portion of the plane (the cockpit plus the front of the passenger compartment).   We're now weighing the pros & cons of physical effects versus postproduction special effects, and I'd like to pose 2 related questions to the Hive Mind:
 
1)  Has anybody here done "camera shake" effects in post, to simulate air turbulence as seen inside an airplane during a storm?  If not for an airplane in turbulence, possibly for a building in an earthquake or something similar?   One alternative to this, as currently advocated by our excellent set designer, is to physically shake the entire set during shooting, but that poses challenges of its own.


2)  Has anybody here done a green-screen composite of "flying through a storm" including clouds, fog, and rain seen through a windshield?  If not for an airplane, for a car or other vehicle?  Here too we have the alternative of physically creating rain and fog on set, but that also has complications.


Any successes, failures, encouragements or warnings would be greatly appreciated!


Wilson Chao
"Across the Pacific"
617.935.1872


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