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Re: [Avid-L2] Resolve update from Editor's Lounge event

 

Grant and Peter are friends of mine and I first met the head of the Resolve team Peter Chamberlain in 1988 when he was the Ampex field service guy who maintained the vpr3s I was using. They are all old school video professionals - Grant was my engineer at VHQ in Singapore  in 1992 and Peter was their senior Abekas A84 editor (I was the Harry guy there).

All three are super smart and genuinely driven by a desire to make high end tools available to everyone. They have assembled an amazing team and achieved great things and I'm proud of them and use almost every product they make. My bmd cards outnumber my Kona 4s by about 3 to 1. I have resolve on every computer I own - often just as a media converter - and it's been 3 years since I went out of house for a grade.

I offline in avid, grade in resolve and online in flame with nuke support and after effect graphics. I play with the edit side of resolve each iteration and each iteration it gets closer to being able to shorten my pipeline. I love avid but if resolve gets there I'm happy to jump ship. What excites me more is the fusion link. Being able to easily tweak things in situ in a super cheap system will be the deciding factor for many. 

However they need to keep fusion link in the free version to pull people in - and fusion isn't a short learning curve for most editors. Luckily using resolve gets people used to nodal workflows so it's less of a shock than you might expect.

We live in interesting times. Our compositors become edit systems (nuke studio) our grading systems become edit systems (resolve) and our graphics tools turn into suites of audio visual processing monsters (Adobe cc). Meanwhile editors complain that avid hasn't changed the color corrector or title tool!

My opinion is unchanged - no one tool is ideal for every job. I track in mocha or boujou, I use Nugen plugins and reaper for audio, I Roto
in silhouette and I'll keep editing in avid until there's a damn good reason why not. BUT trust me I look at everything and I think resolve has the best potential for most jobs. It's conform tools are already the best of any system I've ever used.

It's like the old days. If I was cutting a show it was Cmx all the way but for tvcs the Ampex ace had far superior switcher control and an excellent way of programming many triggers and transitions in a single roll. For offline i liked the convergence 224 as I could lounge back in the chair and only use the joystick to look through the footage ah the joys of super stick editing.

Just choose the right tool for the job and every job is easier - every problem looks like a nail when all you have is a hammer - but in the days of hundred bucks or less edit systems just get a proper toolbox.

Mike



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On May 1, 2016, at 1:46 AM, blafarm@yahoo.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

> tcurren@...> wrote :

Some company will buy Avid at some point. What they do with the product is the only question.

What seems to be clear from the Resolve 12.5 Beta is that Blackmagic probably has no need for Avid's Media Composer-based intellectual property.  Servers and ProTools -- maybe -- but not Media Composer.

Blackmagic appears to have the talent, vision and corporate willpower to advance the editing functionality in Resolve at an impressive rate.  Sadly, this is in stark contrast to Avid's trajectory over the past 16 years.

I don't care if Blackmagic adjusts its pricing for Resolve or not.  As others have mentioned, you can't beat free.  And you can buy a Resolve Studio dongle on Ebay for $300-400 (and as low as $99 if you get lucky).

This is going to be very disruptive to the current NLE market -- and I sense it's going to happen sooner rather than later.


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Re: [Avid-L2] Walter Biscardi is diving in with Resolve 12.5

 

Mike --

Funny you should say that -- my hardest syncing job was also puppets -- Sesame Streeet characters shot for a special in 1990 -- on Avid with AVR1.  Yes,  syncing Miss Piggy by eye when the pixels are bigger than her mouth.  Good times.  :-)
 
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As primarily a tvc editor syncing film rushed has always just been how it is. Even in my tv show days we got nagra tapes only studio masters ever came with sound on them. 

Just yesterday I was syncing interviews shot in Burmese with no clappers and camera and takes stopping and starting randomly. Luckily I like syncing rushes it's just a bit  more to see what I'm dealing with.

Hardest sync job ? An unslated puppet show :)

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Thanks for this read.

I do take issue with WB syncing audio using waveforms with the GH4.  I have done a lot of syncing GH4 to Zoom H6 audio recently, and the GH4 like a lot of other DSLRs usually records the on board camera audio out of sync with picture (anywhere from 1-4 frames).  So using audio waveforms to align Zoom audio with out of sync GH4 audio = out of sync Zoom audio.  No substitute for the using the clapper and aligning manually.

I hate GH4s for other reasons too (4 GB file size limit on SDXC cards among other things).  Fortunately I have been working with Red footage (syncing manually) and more recently Sony FS-7 footage, and with the FS-7 recording onboard professionally, there is no need for syncing…yay.  The way we did it for a long time with Beta SP, Digibeta, HDCam, XDCam, etc, before DSLRs came along.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Walter Biscardi is diving in with Resolve 12.5

 

As primarily a tvc editor syncing film rushed has always just been how it is. Even in my tv show days we got nagra tapes only studio masters ever came with sound on them. 

Just yesterday I was syncing interviews shot in Burmese with no clappers and camera and takes stopping and starting randomly. Luckily I like syncing rushes it's just a bit  more to see what I'm dealing with.

Hardest sync job ? An unslated puppet show :)

Mike

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Thanks for this read.


I do take issue with WB syncing audio using waveforms with the GH4.  I have done a lot of syncing GH4 to Zoom H6 audio recently, and the GH4 like a lot of other DSLRs usually records the on board camera audio out of sync with picture (anywhere from 1-4 frames).  So using audio waveforms to align Zoom audio with out of sync GH4 audio = out of sync Zoom audio.  No substitute for the using the clapper and aligning manually.

I hate GH4s for other reasons too (4 GB file size limit on SDXC cards among other things).  Fortunately I have been working with Red footage (syncing manually) and more recently Sony FS-7 footage, and with the FS-7 recording onboard professionally, there is no need for syncing…yay.  The way we did it for a long time with Beta SP, Digibeta, HDCam, XDCam, etc, before DSLRs came along.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Walter Biscardi is diving in with Resolve 12.5

 

I'm sure Walter is a good editor and a prolific blog writer but in just a few months in 2012 he jumped from final cut to smoke to premiere to avid and then I stopped reading.

There's lots to love about resolve as a conform tool and grading system and they will make it into an awesome editor and vfx hub but it's not an avid replacement yet. But neither is premiere light works or anything else. Bmd are the most innovative company in our industry so if you have to back a new option then resolve is obviously the one to watch but make your own mind up by trying it don't trust any self promotional blog.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Resolve 12.5 and Media Composer on same drive?

 

I tend to not have these open at the same time and my need for MC is rare, so I probably haven't encountered it. I haven't noticed any conflicts though with Pr and Resolve or FCPX and Resolve, but again, that's usually not my normal way of working. In any case, it should be OK to have all of these on the same drive - just maybe not all open at once.


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I have issues running them simultaneously - media composer is now using a ram buffer that sometimes seems to clash with resolve- and you get a hard crash.  I doubled my ram and it happens less frequently, but still happens.   Same thing with adobe apps.  Could be unique to our systems, but I don't think so.  Just so you know.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Resolve 12.5 and Media Composer on same drive?

 

I have issues running them simultaneously - media composer is now using a ram buffer that sometimes seems to clash with resolve- and you get a hard crash.  I doubled my ram and it happens less frequently, but still happens.   Same thing with adobe apps.  Could be unique to our systems, but I don't think so.  Just so you know.

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Yes, I have everything on the same drive and it all works fine.


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Re: [Avid-L2] Walter Biscardi is diving in with Resolve 12.5

 

Thanks for this read.


I do take issue with WB syncing audio using waveforms with the GH4.  I have done a lot of syncing GH4 to Zoom H6 audio recently, and the GH4 like a lot of other DSLRs usually records the on board camera audio out of sync with picture (anywhere from 1-4 frames).  So using audio waveforms to align Zoom audio with out of sync GH4 audio = out of sync Zoom audio.  No substitute for the using the clapper and aligning manually.

I hate GH4s for other reasons too (4 GB file size limit on SDXC cards among other things).  Fortunately I have been working with Red footage (syncing manually) and more recently Sony FS-7 footage, and with the FS-7 recording onboard professionally, there is no need for syncing…yay.  The way we did it for a long time with Beta SP, Digibeta, HDCam, XDCam, etc, before DSLRs came along.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Resolve update from Editor's Lounge event

 

In the testing I've done, they've come along nicely. I still see a big bug that hasn't been fixed yet for several versions. I run with the UI on displays. In the edit mode, when you have the mixer panel open, the playback to the viewer in the edit page is not smooth. That's in spite of the fact that playback is not dropping frames. Close the mixer panel and all is fine. In the color page, playback is also smooth. However, in general, in 12.5, I'm seeing better overall playback to the viewers than before. It's almost like a real NLE :)


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[Avid-L2] Re: Resolve 12.5 and Media Composer on same drive?

 

Yes, I have everything on the same drive and it all works fine.


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Re: [Avid-L2] [FR] Video Keyframe Display in Segments

 

I don't know about dots for keyframes unless it's a quick toggle on/off.
The Tiny frame flex, motion adapter and other indicators are already a bit
much if you are working with more than a few tracks. I love the Adobe
tilde key toggle where you can quickly make your timeline or anything else
temporarily full screen. Something like that would make it more workable .

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> The keyframing in Avid is making me so slow.
> Right now I'm enjoying that Go To Mark In/Out
> takes me out of Effect mode.
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> I would also love to be able to type in a Frame Offset while the Effect
> Editor is active.
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> One can dream . . . .
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