Saturday, February 18, 2012

Re: [Avid-L2] ProRes ingest - DNxHD exports - no video

 

Oliver, could your minisequence still be labeled ProRes, because the very first clip in the very first V-layer is ProRes? I seem to recall a thread last year describing a similar issue (not with ProRes but with some other codec).

I bet if you transcode the sequence, it would work.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ProRes ingest - DNxHD exports - no video

 

Current version is 6.0.1

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On Feb 18, 2012, at 7:40 PM, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

> I'm confused where is there a 6.0.3. I only see 6.0.1 at the download center. I also check the patch updates but don't see it. Is this a correct or a typo?
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "oliverpetersvidy" <oliverpeters@...> wrote:
> >
> > Symphony 6.0.3 on Mac. If you have media that was natively ingested as ProRes and exists in the system as ProResMXF, you cannot render to DNxHD and export "same as source". The file is black and QT Player (X or 7) can't play it. Here's a matrix of what happens:
> >
> > ProRes QT - ingested as ProRes MXF / rendered to ProRes /exported "sas" - video OK and QT Player plays it.
> >
> > ProRes QT - ingested as ProRes MXF / rendered to DNxHD /exported "sas" - video black and QT Player seems no video (even with a single clip).
> >
> > DNxHD QT - ingested as DNxHD MXF / rendered to DNxHD /exported "sas" - video OK and QT Player plays it.
> >
> > So it looks like you either have to stay ProRes all the way or DNxHD all the way, but mixing codecs messes up the export.
> >
> > - Oliver
> >
>
>

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[Avid-L2] Re: ProRes ingest - DNxHD exports - no video

 

I'm confused where is there a 6.0.3. I only see 6.0.1 at the download center. I also check the patch updates but don't see it. Is this a correct or a typo?

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "oliverpetersvidy" <oliverpeters@...> wrote:
>
> Symphony 6.0.3 on Mac. If you have media that was natively ingested as ProRes and exists in the system as ProResMXF, you cannot render to DNxHD and export "same as source". The file is black and QT Player (X or 7) can't play it. Here's a matrix of what happens:
>
> ProRes QT - ingested as ProRes MXF / rendered to ProRes /exported "sas" - video OK and QT Player plays it.
>
> ProRes QT - ingested as ProRes MXF / rendered to DNxHD /exported "sas" - video black and QT Player seems no video (even with a single clip).
>
> DNxHD QT - ingested as DNxHD MXF / rendered to DNxHD /exported "sas" - video OK and QT Player plays it.
>
> So it looks like you either have to stay ProRes all the way or DNxHD all the way, but mixing codecs messes up the export.
>
> - Oliver
>

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[Avid-L2] Re: Got to playing with V6 a bit...

 

When I took CMX class in the summer of 83 it was 340X, edge and something else. I think the 600 might have been around but it was a little later I saw a 6000 demo in Hollywood. They did have the 340's in the lab controlling laser discs for some of the source media. Maybe Jim C remembers the proper chronology.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Pete Opotowsky <popix@...> wrote:
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> Not to be picky, but didn't the 600/6000 predate 340/3400?
>
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> On 2/17/2012 11:53 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:
> >
> > We didn't have those problems with CMX as the versions jumped by the
> > thousands 340 to 3400 to 3600 and 6000. Those big number hops were
> > really impressive of course I was a little younger then, uh I mean
> > younger when I read about them in my editing ancient history class I
> > just finished last year. I just can't wait to break into the business
> > and make a whopping $18.00 an hour. Funny I didn't make much more than
> > that when I started at ABC back in the day but the massive hours and
> > editing upgrade made it a good living.
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Greg Huson <Greg@> wrote:
> >
>
>
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[Avid-L2] Re: Got to playing with V6 a bit...

 

I have to disagree about editware. Not talking about the Fast Track of today but the GVG version we had at the Olympics that ultimately split off to become editware and was originally ISC, was very fast. Sony 9100's had some bells and whistles but for economy of keystrokes and PEGS I could move much faster than the guys on the 9100's for cranking out sports pieces at the Olympics. And for all the touting of the great motion match capabilities on the Sony editors when I hopped on one in Nagano and tried a 100% backwards match it missed. Of course the Brits I was working with said with preread they never used motion match anyways. From Alberville to Nagano I was on venues and smoked along with the GVG editors although I know the Broadcast Centers had mostly gone to Sony's I was fortunate to be in my GVG comfort zone for all my Olympics.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "trevatpc" <trevatpc@...> wrote:
>
> Omni was a nice development (as were the Axials)
>
> Sabre was interesting but I remember being at an editors meeting at NAB where all the NY and LA editors listed the features they wanted added to Sabre... that were already in the 9100. I don't think Sabre was ever really finished.
>
> The 9100 had it all sewn up by then - especially as it tied in with the Sony switchers and audio mixers.
>
> Editware was pretty painful as I remember. Did some nice stuff recalliing clips with the MAVs though.
>
> Last linear job I did... about 4 weeks ago ;-)
>
>
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@> wrote:
> >
> > I never got to play with an OMNI. I seem to remember ABC net promo got one after I had left. How was it? It must have been reasonably stable at the time for ABC to put one in Net Promo online. At first I was thinking about Sabre Edit from the GVG camp but the best thing about that was the jackets they made for NAB demo guys etc... Just when it was about to be usable they pulled the plug IIRC. Anybody ever get to Sabre Edit? I'll bet there's a lot of it in the Editware FastTrack editor but I've never flown one just seen demos at NAB.
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "trevatpc" <trevatpc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > ...then finally bowed out with 'Omni' ;-)
> > >
> > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "johnrobmoore" <bigfish@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We didn't have those problems with CMX as the versions jumped by the thousands 340 to 3400 to 3600 and 6000.
> > >
> >
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[Avid-L2] Re: ProRes ingest - DNxHD exports - no video

 

> Greg Huson wrote:
> Video mix downs solve most of these problems,
> they render much faster, and you can use qt ref.
> not perfect, but the faster render kind of absolves that...

This wasn't a QT reference file. I took a single ProRes QT clip. Imported it as ProResMXF (native). Set the render settings in Avid to DNxHD, applied a crop and rendered the short sequence. Then exported "same as source", which resulted in a DNxHD self-contained QT file. The QT player inspector ID'ed it as DNxHD, but the video was black.

Evidently something is wrong in this path. My guess is that Avid is properly rendering to DNxHD, but the "same as source" flag on export is possibly set to ProRes, which would obviously confuse QT Player.

When I changed the render setting to ProRes (matching the ingested media), the "sas" export was good. Tests will all DNxHD media were fine.

- Oliver

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Re: [Avid-L2] ProRes ingest - DNxHD exports - no video

 

Video mix downs solve most of these problems, they render much faster, and you can use qt ref. not perfect, but the faster render kind of absolves that...

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On Feb 18, 2012, at 4:37 PM, "oliverpetersvidy" <oliverpeters@oliverpeters.com> wrote:

> Symphony 6.0.3 on Mac. If you have media that was natively ingested as ProRes and exists in the system as ProResMXF, you cannot render to DNxHD and export "same as source". The file is black and QT Player (X or 7) can't play it. Here's a matrix of what happens:
>
> ProRes QT - ingested as ProRes MXF / rendered to ProRes /exported "sas" - video OK and QT Player plays it.
>
> ProRes QT - ingested as ProRes MXF / rendered to DNxHD /exported "sas" - video black and QT Player seems no video (even with a single clip).
>
> DNxHD QT - ingested as DNxHD MXF / rendered to DNxHD /exported "sas" - video OK and QT Player plays it.
>
> So it looks like you either have to stay ProRes all the way or DNxHD all the way, but mixing codecs messes up the export.
>
> - Oliver
>
>

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Re: [Avid-L2] HP reinvents the iMac

Optional Touchscreen?

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> That seems to be pretty well-engineered. I am not sure why it's important
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>
> -gl
>
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Dave Spraker wrote:
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[Avid-L2] ProRes ingest - DNxHD exports - no video

 

Symphony 6.0.3 on Mac. If you have media that was natively ingested as ProRes and exists in the system as ProResMXF, you cannot render to DNxHD and export "same as source". The file is black and QT Player (X or 7) can't play it. Here's a matrix of what happens:

ProRes QT - ingested as ProRes MXF / rendered to ProRes /exported "sas" - video OK and QT Player plays it.

ProRes QT - ingested as ProRes MXF / rendered to DNxHD /exported "sas" - video black and QT Player seems no video (even with a single clip).

DNxHD QT - ingested as DNxHD MXF / rendered to DNxHD /exported "sas" - video OK and QT Player plays it.

So it looks like you either have to stay ProRes all the way or DNxHD all the way, but mixing codecs messes up the export.

- Oliver

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[Avid-L2] Re: FR: Analyze file in Project Launch WIndow

> Posted by: Steve Hullfish
> I would love to be able to point MC6 to a video file when I'm creating a new project and have MC6 automatically set the project specs based on the file…...
> …..Or am I just being lazy?

You've just been contaminated by Final Cut ;-)

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Re: [Avid-L2] HP reinvents the iMac

 

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George Loch <george@motoxpress.com> wrote:

That seems to be pretty well-engineered. I am not sure why it's important that it folds down like that without being a Cintiq or a touch-screen.

-gl

On Feb 18, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Dave Spraker wrote:

> Have you seen this?
>
>
>
> http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/workstations/z1_features.html#.Tz_
> upfnh-So
>
>
>
> Seems like a very innovative response to all-in-one design. It's flexible
> enough to have room for PCIe cards and the like.
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] HP reinvents the iMac

 

Portability?

On 18 February 2012 20:27, George Loch <george@motoxpress.com> wrote:

> That seems to be pretty well-engineered. I am not sure why it's important
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Re: [Avid-L2] HP reinvents the iMac

 

That seems to be pretty well-engineered. I am not sure why it's important that it folds down like that without being a Cintiq or a touch-screen.

-gl

On Feb 18, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Dave Spraker wrote:

> Have you seen this?
>
>
>
> http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/workstations/z1_features.html#.Tz_
> upfnh-So
>
>
>
> Seems like a very innovative response to all-in-one design. It's flexible
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>
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Need a little assitance - Bluray writing for Mac

 

yep, that little player is great, even at 50 bucks a pop

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--- On Sat, 2/18/12, Michael Kedor <mikedor@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Michael Kedor <mikedor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Need a little assitance - Bluray writing for Mac
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2012, 12:03 PM

There is, in fact, a way to playback a Video BD on a mac:  http://www.macblurayplayer.com/

Michael Kedor

On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:01 PM, superhorschd wrote:

>
>
> Hi Perrone,
>
> yep, Toast is still THE burner app on the Mac. See here:
> http://www.roxio.com/enu/products/toast/default.html?rTrack=m_pro_toast
>
> Don't know exactly about the current version but when we bought Toast 10 we had to buy the "BD/HD"-Plugin separately to be able to burn videos to Blu-ray.
>
> According to the Roxio website Toast 11 burns Blu-ray - so you should be fine with this.
>
> They still have a BD-Plugin and if I understand correctly you need it only if you have a movie file and want a video BD. See here:
> http://www.roxio.com/enu/products/toast/plugin/overview.html
> Check to see if you need it really or buy Toast 11 Pro if money doesn't matter!
>
> Well, BD-burners..
> About half a year ago we tested several BD burners from HP, LG, Pioneer and Plextor as we have 20+ Avid & FCP Systems. All Burners works well, non was bad, but the HPs & Plextors performed best. We noticed differeces especially when reading from discs, but don't remember details.
>
> And well, it's too bad that there's no way to playback a Video BD on a Mac besides using Bootcamp or Parallels. Even Toast (at least v10) can only write to BD - or did I miss something here?
>
> Internal or external BD drive?
> Usually the second bay for optical drives in your Mac Pro is empty so you can put the BD burner in there. But make sure to remove the bezel from the tray so that it works with the Mac Pro's drive doors!
>
> If you want to have it in an external box get a FW800 5,25" housing and you'll be fine. Of course eSATA and USB 3.0 are also options, but not as easy as FW800 for current Macs.
>
> HTH,
> Ben
>
> PS: It's always a good idea to start a new thread for new topics! Keep in mind for future postings! ;-)
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Perrone Ford <perroneford@...> wrote:
> >
> > I need a little help folks.  I am new to all things Mac, but have been doing ok for the past few months.  However, I have a need to write BluRay disks from my Mac.  Data only, I don't need playable disks.  Is anyone doing this, and what works?
> > 
> > I don't need it to be portable, so speed far trumps size as far as I am concerned.  And is Toast still the basic standard for doing this on a Mac?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > -Perrone Ford
>
>

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Re: [Avid-L2] Need a little assitance - Bluray writing for Mac

 

LG BH12LS38 internal burner, purchased for 69$ during holiday sales
+ ToastTitanium10 with BD plugin

Solid

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--- On Sat, 2/18/12, Michael Brockington <brocking@sfu.ca> wrote:

From: Michael Brockington <brocking@sfu.ca>
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Need a little assitance - Bluray writing for Mac
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2012, 11:58 AM

 

I'm using a Samsung SE-506 External Slim Blu-ray Writer, which is

working fine so far, writing both data and playable blu-ray disks. It

is actually advertised as working with OSX, which seems to be a less

than common feature.

My only real complaint is it has no option for DC power, which means it

has to tie up two USB ports, and the USB Y-cable is quite short, which

limits placement. The disk tray seems a bit flimsy, but time will tell

how durable it is.

Cheers,

--Michael

On 12-02-17 9:28 AM, Perrone Ford wrote:

>

> I need a little help folks. I am new to all things Mac, but have been

> doing ok for the past few months. However, I have a need to write

> BluRay disks from my Mac. Data only, I don't need playable disks. Is

> anyone doing this, and what works?

>

> I don't need it to be portable, so speed far trumps size as far as I

> am concerned. And is Toast still the basic standard for doing this on

> a Mac?

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> -Perrone Ford

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Need a little assitance - Bluray writing for Mac

There is, in fact, a way to playback a Video BD on a mac: http://www.macblurayplayer.com/

Michael Kedor

On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:01 PM, superhorschd wrote:

>
>
> Hi Perrone,
>
> yep, Toast is still THE burner app on the Mac. See here:
> http://www.roxio.com/enu/products/toast/default.html?rTrack=m_pro_toast
>
> Don't know exactly about the current version but when we bought Toast 10 we had to buy the "BD/HD"-Plugin separately to be able to burn videos to Blu-ray.
>
> According to the Roxio website Toast 11 burns Blu-ray - so you should be fine with this.
>
> They still have a BD-Plugin and if I understand correctly you need it only if you have a movie file and want a video BD. See here:
> http://www.roxio.com/enu/products/toast/plugin/overview.html
> Check to see if you need it really or buy Toast 11 Pro if money doesn't matter!
>
> Well, BD-burners..
> About half a year ago we tested several BD burners from HP, LG, Pioneer and Plextor as we have 20+ Avid & FCP Systems. All Burners works well, non was bad, but the HPs & Plextors performed best. We noticed differeces especially when reading from discs, but don't remember details.
>
> And well, it's too bad that there's no way to playback a Video BD on a Mac besides using Bootcamp or Parallels. Even Toast (at least v10) can only write to BD - or did I miss something here?
>
> Internal or external BD drive?
> Usually the second bay for optical drives in your Mac Pro is empty so you can put the BD burner in there. But make sure to remove the bezel from the tray so that it works with the Mac Pro's drive doors!
>
> If you want to have it in an external box get a FW800 5,25" housing and you'll be fine. Of course eSATA and USB 3.0 are also options, but not as easy as FW800 for current Macs.
>
> HTH,
> Ben
>
> PS: It's always a good idea to start a new thread for new topics! Keep in mind for future postings! ;-)
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Perrone Ford <perroneford@...> wrote:
> >
> > I need a little help folks. I am new to all things Mac, but have been doing ok for the past few months. However, I have a need to write BluRay disks from my Mac. Data only, I don't need playable disks. Is anyone doing this, and what works?
> >
> > I don't need it to be portable, so speed far trumps size as far as I am concerned. And is Toast still the basic standard for doing this on a Mac?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > -Perrone Ford
>
>

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[Avid-L2] Re: Need a little assitance - Bluray writing for Mac

 



Hi Perrone,

yep, Toast is still THE burner app on the Mac. See here:
http://www.roxio.com/enu/products/toast/default.html?rTrack=m_pro_toast

Don't know exactly about the current version but when we bought Toast 10 we had to buy the "BD/HD"-Plugin separately to be able to burn videos to Blu-ray.

According to the Roxio website Toast 11 burns Blu-ray - so you should be fine with this.

They still have a BD-Plugin and if I understand correctly you need it only if you have a movie file and want a video BD. See here:
http://www.roxio.com/enu/products/toast/plugin/overview.html
Check to see if you need it really or buy Toast 11 Pro if money doesn't matter!

Well, BD-burners..
About half a year ago we tested several BD burners from HP, LG, Pioneer and Plextor as we have 20+ Avid & FCP Systems. All Burners works well, non was bad, but the HPs & Plextors performed best. We noticed differeces especially when reading from discs, but don't remember details.

And well, it's too bad that there's no way to playback a Video BD on a Mac besides using Bootcamp or Parallels. Even Toast (at least v10) can only write to BD - or did I miss something here?

Internal or external BD drive?
Usually the second bay for optical drives in your Mac Pro is empty so you can put the BD burner in there. But make sure to remove the bezel from the tray so that it works with the Mac Pro's drive doors!

If you want to have it in an external box get a FW800 5,25" housing and you'll be fine. Of course eSATA and USB 3.0 are also options, but not as easy as FW800 for current Macs.

HTH,
Ben

PS: It's always a good idea to start a new thread for new topics! Keep in mind for future postings! ;-)

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Perrone Ford <perroneford@...> wrote:
>
> I need a little help folks.  I am new to all things Mac, but have been doing ok for the past few months.  However, I have a need to write BluRay disks from my Mac.  Data only, I don't need playable disks.  Is anyone doing this, and what works?
>  
> I don't need it to be portable, so speed far trumps size as far as I am concerned.  And is Toast still the basic standard for doing this on a Mac?
>  
> Thanks in advance.
>  
> -Perrone Ford

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