On Nov 5, 2022, at 8:45 AM, Jef Huey <jlhueyc2@gmail.com> wrote:
I would point out that as confusing as Avid's method might be, at least it shows you on any clip in your sequence that SOMETHING is going on with color management. I spent hours on a show with Premiere tracking down individual clips that it had added Auto color transforms.
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Automatically added transformations are a bit dodgy sometimes. I have posted elsewhere that innocent SD DV files are currently interpreted as having been shot with Canon Log C - I have to remove the transformations then transcode the files to something else.
On 04/11/2022 07:55, John Moore wrote:Got footage from a Sony FS 7 from a new crew.Here's what I get after ama linking to the clips with Avid automatically adding the Color Transformation based on the clips metadata:
In the Source Settings it looks like this:If I delete all this and hit "Auto" it looks identical on screen to the above but it displays this:
Clearly "Auto" still respects the embedded clip Color Transformation metadata but it doesn't display the list of step yet yields the same results as the laundry list.The kicker is if I take it all of and use the standard Avid Color Transformation it looks different but decent and less crunchy. It may be slightly less saturated and lower contrast but it is a better starting point IMHO:
So why the Laundry list of 5 transforms to get to the same basic place? Am I wrong to be leery of so many manipulations or is that what workflows have become. I am but a simple dentist in the words of Steve Martin back in the day on SNL.John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net-- With Best Wishes, Roger Shufflebottom +44 7973 543660 Now available – The Media Composer Companion www.avid-companion.co.uk
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Automatically added transformations are a bit dodgy sometimes. I have posted elsewhere that innocent SD DV files are currently interpreted as having been shot with Canon Log C - I have to remove the transformations then transcode the files to something else.
Got footage from a Sony FS 7 from a new crew.
Here's what I get after ama linking to the clips with Avid automatically adding the Color Transformation based on the clips metadata:
In the Source Settings it looks like this:
If I delete all this and hit "Auto" it looks identical on screen to the above but it displays this:
Clearly "Auto" still respects the embedded clip Color Transformation metadata but it doesn't display the list of step yet yields the same results as the laundry list.
The kicker is if I take it all of and use the standard Avid Color Transformation it looks different but decent and less crunchy. It may be slightly less saturated and lower contrast but it is a better starting point IMHO:
So why the Laundry list of 5 transforms to get to the same basic place? Am I wrong to be leery of so many manipulations or is that what workflows have become. I am but a simple dentist in the words of Steve Martin back in the day on SNL.
John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net
-- With Best Wishes, Roger Shufflebottom +44 7973 543660 Now available – The Media Composer Companion www.avid-companion.co.uk
On Nov 4, 2022, at 2:58 AM, John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:
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Got footage from a Sony FS 7 from a new crew.Here's what I get after ama linking to the clips with Avid automatically adding the Color Transformation based on the clips metadata:
In the Source Settings it looks like this:If I delete all this and hit "Auto" it looks identical on screen to the above but it displays this:
Clearly "Auto" still respects the embedded clip Color Transformation metadata but it doesn't display the list of steps yet yields the same results as the laundry list.The kicker is if I take it all off and use the standard Avid Color Transformation it looks different but decent and less crunchy. It may be slightly less saturated and lower contrast but it is a better starting point IMHO:
So why the Laundry list of 5 transforms to get to the same basic place? Am I wrong to be leery of so many manipulations or is that what workflows have become? I am but a simple dentist in the words of Steve Martin back in the day on SNL.John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net
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