Saturday, August 27, 2016

Re: [Avid-L2] When does Avid go into 10 bit mode in 4K renders?

 

You make a valid point. What I'm really concerned about is if timeline quality settings have any effect on 8 vs 10 bit rendering. Normally I will set media creations settings to DNX175X for rendering codec and don't let it be same as souce. However in this 4K project I've set the render to ProResHQ which isn't specific to bit depth. Or is it? My understanding is ProResHQ is 220mbs like DNX220 in 29.97 but that doesn't tell me it's bit depth. If my timeline quality isn't 10bit would a render be ProResHQ 8 bit?

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Re: [Avid-L2] When does Avid go into 10 bit mode in 4K renders?

 

Isn't sharpness mostly a function of pixel density/pixel count and contrast. I would not expect a change in sharpmness from full resolution 8 bit to full resolution 10 bit. I would expect smoother gradients with less banding.

Philip


On Aug 27, 2016, at 6:08 PM, John Moore bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



OS 10.9.5 MacPro 12 core 3.33GHz 64GBRam MC 8.5.2
Working in a 4096x2160 project I noticed doing some blur tracking that when I use fluid tracker and set my tracking points I see the Yellow mode resolution up until I click the track button and the tracking starts.  At the point tracking commences the Image crispens up.  I assume it pops to 10 bit mode for tracking accuracy.  

To see what was going on I stayed in single monitor mode and blew up the image to see how the various timeline quality modes change the image displayed in the GUI.  Yellow is softest, then Yellow/Green sharper, Green Even Sharper but then 10 bit Green shows no change in the GUI screen resolution.  The NitrisDX output blanks out momentarily when switching to 10 bit mode.  I've have always assumed that was a sign of the output hardware switching to 10 bit from 8 bit.  Where I'm surprised is why the GUI doesn't show a sharpness change from Green to 10 bit Green.  Does display GUI max out at 8 bit?

My real concern is does Avid always jump to the highest quality mode when rendering even if I'm in 8 bit mode?  I know there are settings to determine quality and mode for time warp effects when rendering but what about all the other effects.  I wouldn't think things would render 10 bit if I was in timeline 8 bit mode but I'm not really sure.

Over the years I've seen all kinds of posts about various aspects of Avid that don't seem to stay in 10 bit mode with 10 bit sources etc...

Can anyone clue me in on the bottom line on video bit depth of rendering, file export and hardware output as it relates to the timeline quality settings?  I'm pretty sure the hardware output always goes to max quality on digital cut but I haven't paid attention to that in a while.
 
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[Avid-L2] Avid Airspeed

 

Okay, Im probably really reaching for the stars here, but does anyone know how to set up the Interplay Transfer client/Server for a standalone Avid Airspeed? I am able to use Telnet to FTP to the Airspeed and pull clips on and put them back however, they seem to be encoded in a proprietary format as the clips are no playable with any media player.  I tried to configure an FTP server with the Interplay Configuration, but it asks for a default FTP directory and it seems that the AirSpeed OS is FreeBSD, so I don't know how the FTP folder structure is built by Avid there.  THanks

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[Avid-L2] When does Avid go into 10 bit mode in 4K renders?

 

OS 10.9.5 MacPro 12 core 3.33GHz 64GBRam MC 8.5.2
Working in a 4096x2160 project I noticed doing some blur tracking that when I use fluid tracker and set my tracking points I see the Yellow mode resolution up until I click the track button and the tracking starts.  At the point tracking commences the Image crispens up.  I assume it pops to 10 bit mode for tracking accuracy. 

To see what was going on I stayed in single monitor mode and blew up the image to see how the various timeline quality modes change the image displayed in the GUI.  Yellow is softest, then Yellow/Green sharper, Green Even Sharper but then 10 bit Green shows no change in the GUI screen resolution.  The NitrisDX output blanks out momentarily when switching to 10 bit mode.  I've have always assumed that was a sign of the output hardware switching to 10 bit from 8 bit.  Where I'm surprised is why the GUI doesn't show a sharpness change from Green to 10 bit Green.  Does display GUI max out at 8 bit?

My real concern is does Avid always jump to the highest quality mode when rendering even if I'm in 8 bit mode?  I know there are settings to determine quality and mode for time warp effects when rendering but what about all the other effects.  I wouldn't think things would render 10 bit if I was in timeline 8 bit mode but I'm not really sure.

Over the years I've seen all kinds of posts about various aspects of Avid that don't seem to stay in 10 bit mode with 10 bit sources etc...

Can anyone clue me in on the bottom line on video bit depth of rendering, file export and hardware output as it relates to the timeline quality settings?  I'm pretty sure the hardware output always goes to max quality on digital cut but I haven't paid attention to that in a while.
 
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Re: [Avid-L2] Has Adobe Media Encoder 2015 lost the ability to export .mov with discrete audio

 

Back at it today and you are correct the answer is to add individual channels I want using the "+" sign in the bottom right.  I never had to do that in AME 2014 but it had the track Layout section between the basic audio settings and Audio Channel configuration.

In AME 2015 in the Audio I add an extra stream using the "+" button at the bottom right of the Audio Channel Configuration.  Then It lists stream 1 and stream 2.  I set the "Output Channels" to Mono.  Then the "Source Channels" changes from 1-2 to 1-1.  Similarly on Steam 2 it's all the same but the "Source Channels" reads 2-2.

I keep the "Channel Layout" Radio buttons below Audio Channel Configuration clicked to Discrete.

The Audio section layout has slight differences from AME 2014.  When I get back to my 2014 AME drive I will look further into the specific difference in the interface.  Perhaps I've just been luck in AME 2014 and the track layout accomplished the same thing.  I wonder if I can add an extra stream in the same manner in AME 2014.  Damn I miss feeding a tape deck with a base band feed and audio cables.  At least then I knew exactly what was going where. 

Thanks for the tips



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <pale.edit@...> wrote :

John, I just tried an encode with 10 discrete mono audio tracks with the
latest AME CC 2015.4. It worked just fine. Not interleaved.
Make sure you press the plus sign (lower right) to add the individual
channels you want.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 7:31 PM, John Moore bigfish@... [Avid-L2] <
Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> I was working with Adobe Media Encoder CC 2015 today and I discovered it
> will not export discrete audio channels like I can in AME 2015. I went
> back to my CC 2014 startup drive and found in the audio settings Right
> below BAsic Audio Settings a Track Layout Parameter that allows for
> choosing 2 mono tracks. This parameter does not exist in AME 2015 in the
> latest version. Below the basic audio Settings is just Audio Channel
> Configuration and no Track layout parameter like there is in AME 2014. I
> have the radio buttons at the bottom set to discrete but still I only get
> interleaved audio on the resulting .mov.
>
> If I take the same QT Ref .mov into AME 2014 with the same settings to
> ProResHQ 2 channels of audio and the track layout parameter set to 2 mono
> tracks I get what I'm use to which is a .mov with two discrete audio
> channels. Has this ability been lost in AME. This was one of the strong
> features I have been using in AME 2014 when delivering 16 tracks of audio.
> I wondered if the fact that today's file only had 2 tracks was contributing
> but now that I went back to AME 2014 and I can get discrete 2 mono tracks I
> fear the ability has been lost. Fortunately VideoToolshed's Audio Map will
> save the day but come on Adobe. I need to be able to export with discrete
> tracks to .mov. This is a requirement for virtually all my delivery
> files. Nobody seems to like interleaved audio tracks for some reason. Am
> I missing something here?
>
> John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@...
>
>
>


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[Avid-L2] New Blue Template Effects several black slugs Novice New Blue?s

 

Since the 6 Million Dollar Man can't donate some of his salary to incorporate the Title tool into beyond HD projects I'm forced to deal with the probably powerful but whoa fully over complicated for my needs New Blue Effects. 

My main issue is without realizing it I somehow altered what must be a template in a manner that all my black slugs have turned into a page from credits.  I assume there is some global aspect to saving a title and clicking save to template as opposed to alter this title.  How do I break this link and how do I check to see if a title is associated with a particular template? 

I see in Quick Edit a list of what I assume are templates.  My titles were promoted from title tool and I see titles from the first 4K show and the current one listed.  The first 4K show we did was used as a basis for the credits in the current show.  In offline they took the title tool credits created for the first show and duplicated that sequence and then retyped the information.  So now after promoting this current credit title tools I'm left with promoted title tool effects in New Blue that have virtually the same names in the Quick Edit Library.  I can't tell if that means the New Blue Titles are somehow template linked between the old shows and new shows credits.   What happened is the black slugs I had pulled from the first show in credits and slate areas somehow got text added from one of the new Credit pages.  How do I determine if a particular NewBlue title effect is linked to a template and how do I break this link.  I see when I cmd Q to bring up the save dialogue I have a choice of effecting the template or "just this title".  I've been choosing "just this title" once I saw what was happening.  By saving with the choice "just this title" am I breaking the template link?

Also I can't seem to find a way to clear the template library I see in Quick Edit mode.  I tried right clicking but nothing.  I would like to remove all these templates if possible.  Would removing these templates I see in the library screw up existing NewBlue Title Effects?

This NewBlue effect tool is a complete time suck and waste of my time for simple credits.  I realize it is much more powerful but when I start altering titles other than the one I'm on I get very worried.  Much like people are intimidated by the relational color correction in symphony.  I can see the power of templates but as someone who just needs the basics of what the title tool has always done this is like being forced to use marquee.  New Blue may be a little easier than Marquee but both are way over kill for basic credits, slates, etc... IMHO.

Oh wait once again one of my favorite episodes of the Six Million Dollar Man is on Antenna TV.  Funny how this happens so often when I'm emailing the L2.  It's the episode where Oscar has completely mis managed the government agency in charge of the Six Million Dollar Man project.  The story arc is Steve Austin is forced to break into the Federal Reserve bank to take money that is supposed to improve the Six Million Dollar Man project but when he brings the money back to Oscar he finds out it's only going to executive bonuses and he will be forced to continue working with outdated and in efficient Bionic parts.  Man it's a good thing that show didn't have to be done in 4K.  I wonder if someone is going to digitally remaster it in 4K.  That would be soooooo awesome.
 
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[Avid-L2] Re: [OT] Quick Survey: Still mastering to tape?

 

Yep, though a fraction of what it was 3 years ago.  Currently, HDcamSR, HDcam, and the occasional Digibeta.  Most network deliveries are file based.  

3 years ago, it was not uncommon for us to have up to 20 tape deliverables for each episode of series.  With 26 or 52 episodes in a series, it was a lot of tape.  

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Friday, August 26, 2016

Re: [Avid-L2] Has Adobe Media Encoder 2015 lost the ability to export .mov with discrete audio

 

John, I just tried an encode with 10 discrete mono audio tracks with the
latest AME CC 2015.4. It worked just fine. Not interleaved.
Make sure you press the plus sign (lower right) to add the individual
channels you want.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 7:31 PM, John Moore bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2] <
Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> I was working with Adobe Media Encoder CC 2015 today and I discovered it
> will not export discrete audio channels like I can in AME 2015. I went
> back to my CC 2014 startup drive and found in the audio settings Right
> below BAsic Audio Settings a Track Layout Parameter that allows for
> choosing 2 mono tracks. This parameter does not exist in AME 2015 in the
> latest version. Below the basic audio Settings is just Audio Channel
> Configuration and no Track layout parameter like there is in AME 2014. I
> have the radio buttons at the bottom set to discrete but still I only get
> interleaved audio on the resulting .mov.
>
> If I take the same QT Ref .mov into AME 2014 with the same settings to
> ProResHQ 2 channels of audio and the track layout parameter set to 2 mono
> tracks I get what I'm use to which is a .mov with two discrete audio
> channels. Has this ability been lost in AME. This was one of the strong
> features I have been using in AME 2014 when delivering 16 tracks of audio.
> I wondered if the fact that today's file only had 2 tracks was contributing
> but now that I went back to AME 2014 and I can get discrete 2 mono tracks I
> fear the ability has been lost. Fortunately VideoToolshed's Audio Map will
> save the day but come on Adobe. I need to be able to export with discrete
> tracks to .mov. This is a requirement for virtually all my delivery
> files. Nobody seems to like interleaved audio tracks for some reason. Am
> I missing something here?
>
> John Moore Barking Trout Productions Studio City, CA bigfish@pacbell.net
>
>
>

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Re: An Editor responds to Mark about "BATCH" > Re: [Avid-L2] Mark and Roger response > Re: Avid MC BATCH IMPORTing multiple files after they have been moved: SET FILE LOCATION...

 

I am not saying I disagree with you on the function implementation. I think it's a semantic difference with MC though, and I'm trying to give a possible explanation as to why it works this way. The word batch does not imply automatic. Batch just means a bunch instead of one. In other applications, they've been able to implement batch tasks with automated functionality. 

Reconnect in other apps = relink to AMA files in MC. Those things are actually similar, so it makes sense that they work similarly. There is no actual match for MC's importer in any of the other apps. So I guess all bets are off. They have consistently left "import" functions in the dust and have only improved "link" functions. Can't say I blame them for adhering to a trend, but you and I know that linking doesn't fly for certain things. Images and video with Alpha channels? Never ever ever use AMA myself for those, because they can not be transcoded. AMA link images? Perhaps sometimes, but most of the time, I want the importer, as it's easier in some ways to manipulate. AMA link audio? This doesn't always give you correct time code or metadata. We're talking about two barely put together structures in the application - AMA link and import. Neither one works 100%, and this case is just another thorn in our sides.

In this specific case, is it possible then to dump all clips, then re-import all clips, then relink sequences? This might work, or at least provide some alternative.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 5:48 PM, film35hd@yahoo.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 


My Editor responds:

My response to his comments would be: Did anyone notice the word **BATCH** In the option to "Batch re-import…"?  One of the main functions of doing a batch re-import should be avoiding the need to locate the media files individually.  I understand (and in many cases agree with) the comments about "intentional pauses", but the checks on metadata should be automated in this case.  Avid should be able to tell when there is a conflict with a different duration file, different color space import setting, different timecode, different frame rate, and other metadata.  In Premiere and even OLD FCP 6, the "reconnect" function would see all of the media in the folder after you selected the first one, but an error would pop up for each file that had mismatching duration metadata:






This way, if you were reconnecting 300 clips and two of them had been altered in some way, you could reconnect 298 automatically and then manually take care of the two that had some sort of mismatching metadata.  To be honest, in my opinion (and this might ruffle some feathers), this is a basic feature that should be working.  If 10 year old versions of FCP can do it, the current Avid MC should be able to do it.  I'm constantly trying to promote/push Avid when working with Premiere/FCP editors.  On more than one occasion we've come across the need to batch re-import media in Avid, and my Premiere/FCP friends were floored that you had to click on each file to specify the new location.

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[Avid-L2] Re: Avid MC BATCH IMPORTing multiple files after they have been move

 

In what way is ama linking better here?  For me if I have an open title .mov it has always been easier to import it the traditional way.  I would think having to ama link the open title and transcode would be more work than just batch importing, or is it proper to say batch reimporting here?,  I ama link to files all the time to check them and we use an ama link transcode approach for various cameras but I would never think to ama link to stills or graphic elements as they are very easy to uprezz as an import.

Now when it comes to really long clips like a .mov for an entire show where only one shot is used then I see the value of an ama link and transcode of just what was used.  Given when these type of clips come in we have to import them all anyways it has traditionally been more automatic to just import to offline resolution and then later manually ama link to clip and over cut then transcode just the ama'd clips.

My gut is still leery of ama links in offline to online workflows but perhaps I should reconsider it.  We certainly do ama many types of material but graphics and stills have never been one of them unless it was the only way to get them to be seen by Avid.  Also the tendency of many AEs to still add tape names to ama linked clips has further complicated trying to get a stable ama food chain.  

At it's very core ama brought the unreliable media management of other applications into the Avid world.  Great for flexibility but not for reliability compared to Avid's traditional media workflows.



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Ah but thats because editors hsve continued to use import rather than AMA link. We've had the option to dump import and use link for as long as some of these "smarter" other apps have existed.
Failing to use the better linking method over the legacy import is the issue here.

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