Saturday, March 20, 2010

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: AAF's 2G limit

On 3/20/10 8:39 AM, "Frank Chiang" <ppsfrank@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's a new function in Media Composer 4 to support embedded AAF > 2GB

In previous versions >2GB AAF files could be written without Edit Protocol.


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: AAF's 2G limit

It's a new function in Media Composer 4 to support embedded AAF > 2GB

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Wes Plate <wes@automaticduck.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 3/19/10 3:21 PM, "pleasecallmebob" <SurferRob@aol.com<SurferRob%40aol.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > The AAF Edit Protocol option must be check for exported files to exceed
> the
> > 2GB size limit.
>
> That's good info. In what version did Media Composer start supporting the
> Edit Protocol? Is the Edit Protocol also supported on import?
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: AAF's 2G limit

On 3/19/10 3:21 PM, "pleasecallmebob" <SurferRob@aol.com> wrote:

> The AAF Edit Protocol option must be check for exported files to exceed the
> 2GB size limit.

That's good info. In what version did Media Composer start supporting the
Edit Protocol? Is the Edit Protocol also supported on import?


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[Avid-L2] Re: 3D monitors and finishing

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Tom McDonnell" <ltr54@...> wrote:


<<IMHO texting is making us an anti-social society. >>


And e-mail killed the art of joke telling. :-(

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RE: [Avid-L2] Re: 3D monitors and finishing

>But the old shows shot on SD video. Yuck!

Well it's a shame as there are great TV shows that will forever be forgotten
because they where shot on tape. Yeah for technology...

Speaking of technology, it is out pacing what we really need or do with it.
IMHO texting is making us an anti-social society. Human interaction is
becoming more the exception than the norm. I was on a production recently.
Whenever cut was called cell phones popped out like popcorn and nobody said
a word. It felt like you where intruding on a person if you had to talk to
them. I'm guilty of it too. That folks is screwed up...

TMcD

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Friday, March 19, 2010

RE: [Avid-L2] Re: 3D monitors and finishing

>NFL used to be the second largest consumer of film right after the number
one consumer...

I heard it stated a few years back during the Super Bowl NFL Films on
average shoots about 25 miles of film.

TMcD


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[Avid-L2] Re: 3D monitors and finishing

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, RT <huipro@...> wrote:


<<Let us not forget sports coverage. This seems to get better all the time.>>


NFL used to be the second largest consumer of film right after the number one consumer.. the US govt.

Now all those old games can be retransferred in HD if so desired. And when we have 4K TV.. they can retransfer again. But the old shows shot on SD video. Yuck!

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RE: [Avid-L2] Digibeta deck repair/service NYC

David,
Might be a reach but have you tried cleaning the pinch roller and tape path? On BVW 70's and SX that often worked as a quick fix until the engineers could attack the problem.

TMcD

-----Original Message-----
From: "David Dawkins" <dawk2@shaw.ca>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 3/19/2010 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Digibeta deck repair/service NYC

Slippage IME is usually dirty heads and guides.

DD

Jeff Hedberg wrote:
> Greg and Dennis, thank you.
> I'm actually not at the point where things are super bad... I'm just
> looking for someone who comes by... cleans heads - confirms
> alignment... that sort of thing.
> Who can help me troubleshoot why things seem to be slipping 1 frame in
> tape to tape edits - but only sometimes.
>
>
> I used to know a company that did this in NYC - but their phone
> doesn't seem to work anymore, and I'm just wondering if anyone in the
> NYC area knows of someone with these skills.
>
>
> Thanks.
> Jeff
>
> On Mar 19, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Dennis Degan wrote:
>
>
>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:02 PM, evilblender wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm looking for recommendations for companies in the NYC area who
>>> can come on site to help look over a couple of digibeta decks, and
>>> help me make sure that they are properly maintained.
>>>
>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Greg Huson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> We've switched to Sony field service. We're on the other coast,
>>>
>> but I think the east coast office is in NJ- Jersey City maybe? They
>> might charge for travel time - double check when you call.
>> <http://tinyurl.com/ybfvl3p>
>>
>>> Although the hourly is higher than our previous vendor, the fact
>>>
>> that they carry almost all the parts with them, and come on site, has
>> made their service a better value for us. They have a 4 hour minimum,
>> but generally fix our problem deck (whichever that is at a given time)
>> and service all the other decks, too. And if you're using HDCam or HD-
>> SR, you definitely want a sony guy doing the service. They literally
>> plug in their computer to the deck.
>>
>> I jump in:
>>
>> I found the address on the Sony website that Greg linked to:
>> Sony Service Center
>> Sony Electronics Inc.
>> 123 W. Tryon Avenue
>> Teaneck, New Jersey 07666
>> Voice: 201-833-5300
>> FAX: 201-833-5312
>> E-mail: TeaneckService@am.sony.com
>>
>> Dennis Degan, Video Editor-Consultant-Knowledge Bank
>> NBC Today Show, New York
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [Avid-L2] Digibeta deck repair/service NYC

Slippage IME is usually dirty heads and guides.

DD

Jeff Hedberg wrote:
> Greg and Dennis, thank you.
> I'm actually not at the point where things are super bad... I'm just
> looking for someone who comes by... cleans heads - confirms
> alignment... that sort of thing.
> Who can help me troubleshoot why things seem to be slipping 1 frame in
> tape to tape edits - but only sometimes.
>
>
> I used to know a company that did this in NYC - but their phone
> doesn't seem to work anymore, and I'm just wondering if anyone in the
> NYC area knows of someone with these skills.
>
>
> Thanks.
> Jeff
>
> On Mar 19, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Dennis Degan wrote:
>
>
>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:02 PM, evilblender wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm looking for recommendations for companies in the NYC area who
>>> can come on site to help look over a couple of digibeta decks, and
>>> help me make sure that they are properly maintained.
>>>
>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Greg Huson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> We've switched to Sony field service. We're on the other coast,
>>>
>> but I think the east coast office is in NJ- Jersey City maybe? They
>> might charge for travel time - double check when you call.
>> <http://tinyurl.com/ybfvl3p>
>>
>>> Although the hourly is higher than our previous vendor, the fact
>>>
>> that they carry almost all the parts with them, and come on site, has
>> made their service a better value for us. They have a 4 hour minimum,
>> but generally fix our problem deck (whichever that is at a given time)
>> and service all the other decks, too. And if you're using HDCam or HD-
>> SR, you definitely want a sony guy doing the service. They literally
>> plug in their computer to the deck.
>>
>> I jump in:
>>
>> I found the address on the Sony website that Greg linked to:
>> Sony Service Center
>> Sony Electronics Inc.
>> 123 W. Tryon Avenue
>> Teaneck, New Jersey 07666
>> Voice: 201-833-5300
>> FAX: 201-833-5312
>> E-mail: TeaneckService@am.sony.com
>>
>> Dennis Degan, Video Editor-Consultant-Knowledge Bank
>> NBC Today Show, New York
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------
> Jeff Hedberg
>
>
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[Avid-L2] Re: AAF's 2G limit

The AAF Edit Protocol option must be check for exported files to exceed the 2GB size limit.


--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Nigel Gourley" <avid-l@...> wrote:
>
> Maybe it's a version thing. I tried it on a 3.05 and once its done it's
> converting the avid says can't export as the resulting file will be over
> 2G's
>
>
>
> N
>
>
>
> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> johnrobmoore
> Sent: 19 March 2010 18:24
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: AAF's 2G limit
>
>
>
>
>
> That is not true in my experience SNDX Mac 3.5.4 OS 10.5.6. I routinely get
> protools aaf at 4.9 gigs AAF with embedded media. Yesterday I took one into
> my lap top on MCsoft 4.0.5 and reexported it to a new 4.9 gig aaf no
> problem. Where are you having a problem?
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com> , "Nigel
> Gourley" <avid-l@> wrote:
> >
> > It seems to still be the case that if you want to make an embedded AAF
> then
> > it has to be under 2G. Is there a way around this and still make an
> embedded
> > AAF?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > N
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: 3D monitors and finishing

Let us not forget sports coverage. This seems to get better all the time.

I felt that the overall quality of the 2010 winter olympic games
coverage was fantastic. A new high.

Amazing HD quality, amazing angles. editing and FX. Tight scripting and
packaging. An enjoyable mix of compelling human drama and unavoidable
schmaltz.

There was the men's figure skating circus, the luge thrills, the epic
hockey game, short track excitement, the biathlon, the athlete and host
county profiles, the ceremonies. Each venue was a unique challenge.
All needed to be executed under weeks of pressure, for a worldwide
audience. Frankly, I couldn't take my eyes off it -- even the curling.
:-)

At a time when NBC can't seem to get anything right, I feel they deserve
huge props for achieving this level of programming. I couldn't help
thinking that this was one of the all-time television highlights of my
lifetime. Made even better by the HD-DVR.

And it will all surely be ruined by 3D, the next time around.

RT

Tom McDonnell wrote:

>
>
> >Have you seen an episode of "Fantasy Island" recently? It's embarrassing.
>
> In what way? You are mixing and matching style vs. standards. TV Episodic
> Film Cinematography matured slower than feature work due to time,
> budgetary
> and speed of implementation constraints.
>
> The zoom lenses of the 70's where not as good as today. Remember the zoom
> effect and how over used it was? Until the late 80's, Television Film and
> Electronic Cinematography in the 50's, 60's and 70's was lit largely
> by hard
> Fresnel's not soft box sources like today. The DP's and Lighting Directors
> of the day learned that way so that was the look. This also with
> slower film
> stocks, NTSC cameras, hard light needing less clean-up and the
> Receiver and
> Transmitter issues is what attributed to the hard Fresnel look. Star Trek,
> Hogan's Heroes, Mannix, Streets of San Francisco, Lost In Space, All
> In The
> Family where all "hard light source" Fresnel shows. In the late 70's
> moving
> into early 80's a more naturalistic look slowly began to take over.
>
> I think the biggest fault and complaints stem from old or even
> original film
> transfers that are even today still the masters for old shows that weren't
> exactly high art to begin with. I remember the first time I saw the
> original
> 60's Star Trek in 35mm on VHS. I rented it from FotoMat. Anybody remember
> FotoMat? Up until that time, the late 70's, the only Star Trek episodes I
> had ever seen where run from beat to death 16mm prints run on local TV
> station telecines. Now you look at it on Blu-Ray and everybody gasps in
> breathless wonder. Did the cinematography suddenly improve or change? Nope
> sure didn't. All the 60's Sci-Fi shows where "cartoon" primary color
> shows.
> This was done for a reason, color TV was new. I remember the first time I
> saw Hogan's Heroes in HD. Not exactly high art but damn it sure did look
> good. So I would enjoy it all over again if I had the show on Blu-Ray.
>
> Frankly I find the soft source look of today's TV shows to be a bit mushy.
> Some are better than others. It all starts to look the same because it is.
> It is no different than the 60's and 70's. The lenses, film stocks and
> film
> transfer technology of today are light-years ahead of what they used
> to be.
> This in large part due to a more featuresque production approach. That is
> why TV looks "technically" so good today. As far as better than old TV
> shows? I would intensely disagree.
>
> In 50 years whose going to be watching Law and Order or Great Race?
> But you
> can guarantee Star Trek and old shows from the 60's will be re-transferred
> to the latest format dejour.
>
> TMcD
>
>

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Re: [Avid-L2] Avids at the Olympics

On Mar 19, 2010, at 2:47 AM, Dave Spraker wrote:

> I had an acquaintance working there - said it was very slick
integration between Avid and EVS.

I offer:

On the Today Show, we had the really cool ability to transfer
sequences from Vancouver to NBC New York. Not just transfer the video
and audio mind you; the SEQUENCES themselves would become available to
an editor in New York, allowing additional editing to be done. This
is the first time I'd seen this capability. An editor in Vancouver
could start an edit; then changes or additions could be made to the
same sequence in New York. It was really neat. All the media,
effects, transitions, graphics, etc. could be transferred, similar to
a consolidation. I'm not really sure how it was done at the Vancouver
end.

Dennis Degan, Video Editor-Consultant-Knowledge Bank
NBC Today Show, New York

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RE: [Avid-L2] Re: 3D monitors and finishing

>Have you seen an episode of "Fantasy Island" recently? It's embarrassing.

In what way? You are mixing and matching style vs. standards. TV Episodic
Film Cinematography matured slower than feature work due to time, budgetary
and speed of implementation constraints.

The zoom lenses of the 70's where not as good as today. Remember the zoom
effect and how over used it was? Until the late 80's, Television Film and
Electronic Cinematography in the 50's, 60's and 70's was lit largely by hard
Fresnel's not soft box sources like today. The DP's and Lighting Directors
of the day learned that way so that was the look. This also with slower film
stocks, NTSC cameras, hard light needing less clean-up and the Receiver and
Transmitter issues is what attributed to the hard Fresnel look. Star Trek,
Hogan's Heroes, Mannix, Streets of San Francisco, Lost In Space, All In The
Family where all "hard light source" Fresnel shows. In the late 70's moving
into early 80's a more naturalistic look slowly began to take over.

I think the biggest fault and complaints stem from old or even original film
transfers that are even today still the masters for old shows that weren't
exactly high art to begin with. I remember the first time I saw the original
60's Star Trek in 35mm on VHS. I rented it from FotoMat. Anybody remember
FotoMat? Up until that time, the late 70's, the only Star Trek episodes I
had ever seen where run from beat to death 16mm prints run on local TV
station telecines. Now you look at it on Blu-Ray and everybody gasps in
breathless wonder. Did the cinematography suddenly improve or change? Nope
sure didn't. All the 60's Sci-Fi shows where "cartoon" primary color shows.
This was done for a reason, color TV was new. I remember the first time I
saw Hogan's Heroes in HD. Not exactly high art but damn it sure did look
good. So I would enjoy it all over again if I had the show on Blu-Ray.

Frankly I find the soft source look of today's TV shows to be a bit mushy.
Some are better than others. It all starts to look the same because it is.
It is no different than the 60's and 70's. The lenses, film stocks and film
transfer technology of today are light-years ahead of what they used to be.
This in large part due to a more featuresque production approach. That is
why TV looks "technically" so good today. As far as better than old TV
shows? I would intensely disagree.

In 50 years whose going to be watching Law and Order or Great Race? But you
can guarantee Star Trek and old shows from the 60's will be re-transferred
to the latest format dejour.

TMcD

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RE: [Avid-L2] Re: AAF's 2G limit

Maybe it's a version thing. I tried it on a 3.05 and once its done it's
converting the avid says can't export as the resulting file will be over
2G's

N

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johnrobmoore
Sent: 19 March 2010 18:24
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: AAF's 2G limit

That is not true in my experience SNDX Mac 3.5.4 OS 10.5.6. I routinely get
protools aaf at 4.9 gigs AAF with embedded media. Yesterday I took one into
my lap top on MCsoft 4.0.5 and reexported it to a new 4.9 gig aaf no
problem. Where are you having a problem?

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com> , "Nigel
Gourley" <avid-l@...> wrote:
>
> It seems to still be the case that if you want to make an embedded AAF
then
> it has to be under 2G. Is there a way around this and still make an
embedded
> AAF?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> N
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Digibeta deck repair/service NYC

Lou "Dr. Lou" Nanasi
917-696-2490

On Mar 19, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Jeff Hedberg wrote:

> Greg and Dennis, thank you.
> I'm actually not at the point where things are super bad... I'm just
> looking for someone who comes by... cleans heads - confirms
> alignment... that sort of thing.
> Who can help me troubleshoot why things seem to be slipping 1 frame in
> tape to tape edits - but only sometimes.
>
>
> I used to know a company that did this in NYC - but their phone
> doesn't seem to work anymore, and I'm just wondering if anyone in the
> NYC area knows of someone with these skills.
>
>
> Thanks.
> Jeff
>
> On Mar 19, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Dennis Degan wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:02 PM, evilblender wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking for recommendations for companies in the NYC area who
>>> can come on site to help look over a couple of digibeta decks, and
>>> help me make sure that they are properly maintained.
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Greg Huson wrote:
>>
>>> We've switched to Sony field service. We're on the other coast,
>> but I think the east coast office is in NJ- Jersey City maybe? They
>> might charge for travel time - double check when you call.
>> <http://tinyurl.com/ybfvl3p>
>>> Although the hourly is higher than our previous vendor, the fact
>> that they carry almost all the parts with them, and come on site, has
>> made their service a better value for us. They have a 4 hour minimum,
>> but generally fix our problem deck (whichever that is at a given
>> time)
>> and service all the other decks, too. And if you're using HDCam or
>> HD-
>> SR, you definitely want a sony guy doing the service. They literally
>> plug in their computer to the deck.
>>
>> I jump in:
>>
>> I found the address on the Sony website that Greg linked to:
>> Sony Service Center
>> Sony Electronics Inc.
>> 123 W. Tryon Avenue
>> Teaneck, New Jersey 07666
>> Voice: 201-833-5300
>> FAX: 201-833-5312
>> E-mail: TeaneckService@am.sony.com
>>
>> Dennis Degan, Video Editor-Consultant-Knowledge Bank
>> NBC Today Show, New York
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Digibeta deck repair/service NYC

Greg and Dennis, thank you.
I'm actually not at the point where things are super bad... I'm just
looking for someone who comes by... cleans heads - confirms
alignment... that sort of thing.
Who can help me troubleshoot why things seem to be slipping 1 frame in
tape to tape edits - but only sometimes.


I used to know a company that did this in NYC - but their phone
doesn't seem to work anymore, and I'm just wondering if anyone in the
NYC area knows of someone with these skills.


Thanks.
Jeff

On Mar 19, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Dennis Degan wrote:

>
> On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:02 PM, evilblender wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for recommendations for companies in the NYC area who
> > can come on site to help look over a couple of digibeta decks, and
> > help me make sure that they are properly maintained.
>
> On Mar 18, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Greg Huson wrote:
>
> > We've switched to Sony field service. We're on the other coast,
> but I think the east coast office is in NJ- Jersey City maybe? They
> might charge for travel time - double check when you call.
> <http://tinyurl.com/ybfvl3p>
> > Although the hourly is higher than our previous vendor, the fact
> that they carry almost all the parts with them, and come on site, has
> made their service a better value for us. They have a 4 hour minimum,
> but generally fix our problem deck (whichever that is at a given time)
> and service all the other decks, too. And if you're using HDCam or HD-
> SR, you definitely want a sony guy doing the service. They literally
> plug in their computer to the deck.
>
> I jump in:
>
> I found the address on the Sony website that Greg linked to:
> Sony Service Center
> Sony Electronics Inc.
> 123 W. Tryon Avenue
> Teaneck, New Jersey 07666
> Voice: 201-833-5300
> FAX: 201-833-5312
> E-mail: TeaneckService@am.sony.com
>
> Dennis Degan, Video Editor-Consultant-Knowledge Bank
> NBC Today Show, New York
>
>
>

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[Avid-L2] Re: AAF's 2G limit

That is not true in my experience SNDX Mac 3.5.4 OS 10.5.6. I routinely get protools aaf at 4.9 gigs AAF with embedded media. Yesterday I took one into my lap top on MCsoft 4.0.5 and reexported it to a new 4.9 gig aaf no problem. Where are you having a problem?

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Nigel Gourley" <avid-l@...> wrote:
>
> It seems to still be the case that if you want to make an embedded AAF then
> it has to be under 2G. Is there a way around this and still make an embedded
> AAF?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> N
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Semi-OT: DG delivery with Squeeze

On 19 Mar 2010, at 12:06, Tim McLaughlin wrote:

> I'm happy to see that Squeeze has a DG preset - is anyone out there
> using
> it?

I don't know how the current Squeeze (6.x) does it, but the 5.x
versions were wrong. They padded the encoded file out to 512 lines,
but did it by adding lines to the top *and* bottom of the file instead
of just the top (VBI).


> According to the DG spec, the file is supposed to be 720 x 512 -
> upper field
> first. Ug.


The DG NTSC templates I built for Episode are all Bottom First - and
they've been working just fine for the past couple of years. Where'd
this "spec" come from?

-jimmy

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[Avid-L2] Re: 3D monitors and finishing

Hey 3's company was high quality technically at the time as was Sanford and Son. In high school I had a field trip with the marching band to Disneyland to play and we got to see a taping of Chico and the Man at NBC Burbank. I was so into TV production at the time I watched the stage like a hawk and those guys had their act together. I even talked a cameraman out of his shot sheet at the end of the night. I was on cloud 9. Content aside those shows were using the latest a greatest at the time. Can't speak to what generation of masters are airing now but there was a lot of effort technically on those shows by real tv engineers and operators. Besides they didn't have any firewire back then. ;-)

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Tod Hopkins <hoplist@...> wrote:
>
> On Mar 17, 2010, at 8:38 PM, oliverpetersvidy wrote:
> > > Pat wrote:
> > > and the quality viewers will accept has dropped to an all time low.
> >
> > I think that's a fallacy. Viewers never made the quality
> > determination.
>
> Quite true. Since when did I have a choice? A&E Biography is what it
> is, but I like it. What would you suggest I do? Write A&E and tell
> them to up their game?
>
> Now if I happen to have the opportunity to watch the same show on two
> channels, and one is HD, I'll choose the HD channel. But I'm not
> going to watch the Tonight show in HD if I could be watching It Might
> Get Loud in SD (not that IMGT is technically poor).
>
> Further, I'm not a believer that Technical standards have dropped
> except maybe on average. And that's merely because there is so much
> more content now, and the additional content is produced to lower
> standards because it's not possible to produce dramatically increased
> volume at the highest standards.
>
> Go back and watch 20 year old PBS shows, or for that matter Sanford
> and Sons or Three's Company. You seriously want to make the case that
> "quality" standards have dropped?
>
> Tod Hopkins
> Hillmann & Carr Inc.
> todhopkins@...
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Digibeta deck repair/service NYC

On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:02 PM, evilblender wrote:

> I'm looking for recommendations for companies in the NYC area who
> can come on site to help look over a couple of digibeta decks, and
> help me make sure that they are properly maintained.

On Mar 18, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Greg Huson wrote:

> We've switched to Sony field service. We're on the other coast,
but I think the east coast office is in NJ- Jersey City maybe? They
might charge for travel time - double check when you call.
<http://tinyurl.com/ybfvl3p>
> Although the hourly is higher than our previous vendor, the fact
that they carry almost all the parts with them, and come on site, has
made their service a better value for us. They have a 4 hour minimum,
but generally fix our problem deck (whichever that is at a given time)
and service all the other decks, too. And if you're using HDCam or HD-
SR, you definitely want a sony guy doing the service. They literally
plug in their computer to the deck.

I jump in:

I found the address on the Sony website that Greg linked to:
Sony Service Center
Sony Electronics Inc.
123 W. Tryon Avenue
Teaneck, New Jersey 07666
Voice: 201-833-5300
FAX: 201-833-5312
E-mail: TeaneckService@am.sony.com

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Re: [Avid-L2] AAF s 2G limit

On 3/19/10 9:32 AM, "Nigel Gourley" <avid-l@outpostfacilities.co.uk> wrote:

> When I try and export it though it does say it won't do it as the AAF will
> be over 2G so it won't even let me do it..

That's gotta be a bug, while OMF as a format at a 2GB limitation, AAF
doesn't have that.


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RE: [Avid-L2] AAF s 2G limit

When I try and export it though it does say it won't do it as the AAF will
be over 2G so it won't even let me do it..

N

From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Wes Plate
Sent: 19 March 2010 16:21
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] AAF s 2G limit

On 3/19/10 9:16 AM, "Nigel Gourley" <avid-l@outpostfacilities.co.uk
<mailto:avid-l%40outpostfacilities.co.uk> > wrote:

> It seems to still be the case that if you want to make an embedded AAF
then
> it has to be under 2G. Is there a way around this and still make an
embedded
> AAF?

AAF does not have a 2GB limit like OMF had. However Avid has had bugs in
the area of creating embedded AAF files and can create corrupt files when
they get very large.

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Re: [Avid-L2] AAF's 2G limit

On 3/19/10 9:16 AM, "Nigel Gourley" <avid-l@outpostfacilities.co.uk> wrote:

> It seems to still be the case that if you want to make an embedded AAF then
> it has to be under 2G. Is there a way around this and still make an embedded
> AAF?

AAF does not have a 2GB limit like OMF had. However Avid has had bugs in
the area of creating embedded AAF files and can create corrupt files when
they get very large.


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Re: [Avid-L2] Semi-OT: DG delivery with Squeeze

The Squeeze DG preset (at least in my version) isn't exactly right. I
had to change the chroma encoding and some audio stuff to get the
setting to pass QC. I can check exactly what they are later, if you need.

I check the spots with VLC, and they look OK on my computer. (PC) There
is a strange letterbox thing going on, but the file is progressive, I
believe, so I don't know why you are seeing reversed fields.


frank felker

Tim McLaughlin wrote:
> I'm happy to see that Squeeze has a DG preset - is anyone out there using
> it?
>
> According to the DG spec, the file is supposed to be 720 x 512 - upper field
> first. Ug.
>
> When I check the encode via VLC it looks like crap-ola - slightly
> letterboxed and the fields are definitely reversed.
>
> Is this normal? Thanks!
>
>

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[Avid-L2] AAF's 2G limit

It seems to still be the case that if you want to make an embedded AAF then
it has to be under 2G. Is there a way around this and still make an embedded
AAF?

Thanks

N

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[Avid-L2] Semi-OT: DG delivery with Squeeze

I'm happy to see that Squeeze has a DG preset - is anyone out there using
it?

According to the DG spec, the file is supposed to be 720 x 512 - upper field
first. Ug.

When I check the encode via VLC it looks like crap-ola - slightly
letterboxed and the fields are definitely reversed.

Is this normal? Thanks!

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RE: [Avid-L2] EX3 media into MC 2.8

The Sony Clip Browser will allow you to export Avid MXF files.

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Subject: [Avid-L2] EX3 media into MC 2.8


Does anyone have workflow recommendations for injest of Sony EX3 into a
Media Composer 2.8?

-Scott
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[Avid-L2] Re: 3D monitors and finishing

> Terence Curren wrote:
> PBS was strong on QC rejections back in the 80s and 90s also.

Yes and no. Their QC was always about technical parameters and their format guidelines and not image quality. In other words, blanking, drop outs, level spikes, tone at 400Hz, bars and slate for the right length, etc.

PBS did ask for some judgment of image quality, but this was purely subjective. The master was ASKED to be one generation from the source. How do your really prove that? 3/4" was OK as long as it didn't have head-switching. If you needed to blow-up the shot to make it legal, then that was OK, even though the blow-up was more destructive to the image than any head-switching.

Same was true of the FCC blanking flap in the late 70s. The FCC didn't give a crap about quality. Never has and still doesn't today. I know engineers who were told point-blank at the time that if you have to reshoot a show off the monitor with a camera to get legal blanking, then that was OK. Just so long as you didn't "cheat" the viewer out of that extra picture content on the edges of the frame.

- Oliver

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[Avid-L2] Re: EX3 media into MC 2.8

Hey Scott,
Use the Sony ClipBrowser software to access the files in the BPAV folder , select all those clips and export as MXF for NLE. You can import these new files into the Avid and then I would recommend transcoding all of them into DNxHD.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "scottesmith1" <scottesmith1@...> wrote:
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> Does anyone have workflow recommendations for injest of Sony EX3 into a Media Composer 2.8?
>
> -Scott
> Lotus Media
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[Avid-L2] EX3 media into MC 2.8

Does anyone have workflow recommendations for injest of Sony EX3 into a Media Composer 2.8?

-Scott
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: 3D monitors and finishing

I completely agree. Watch virtually any network drama, four-camera or single-camera show or any cable drama. Production values are feature level and tech work such as cinematography, sound, sets, etc. are all remarkably high. Watch an episode of "Law & Order. Technically speaking, it's every bit as good as any mid 90's Harrison Ford running-around-saving-his-family movie. Better, usually.

Even shows like "The Amazing Race" or "Survivor" are often gorgeous to look at. Comedy variations such as "The Office" and "Modern Family" are also technically superior. Have you seen an episode of "Fantasy Island" recently? It's embarrassing.

My genuine complaint has to do with the compression used in cable. Blocking in blacks and dark graded tones is very annoying. So to that extent, we have some degradation in quality. Although, even that is not 100% clear cut and can be argued.

David

On Mar 19, 2010, at 6:13 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:

> On Mar 17, 2010, at 8:38 PM, oliverpetersvidy wrote:
> > > Pat wrote:
> > > and the quality viewers will accept has dropped to an all time low.
> >
> > I think that's a fallacy. Viewers never made the quality
> > determination.
>
> Quite true. Since when did I have a choice? A&E Biography is what it
> is, but I like it. What would you suggest I do? Write A&E and tell
> them to up their game?
>
> Now if I happen to have the opportunity to watch the same show on two
> channels, and one is HD, I'll choose the HD channel. But I'm not
> going to watch the Tonight show in HD if I could be watching It Might
> Get Loud in SD (not that IMGT is technically poor).
>
> Further, I'm not a believer that Technical standards have dropped
> except maybe on average. And that's merely because there is so much
> more content now, and the additional content is produced to lower
> standards because it's not possible to produce dramatically increased
> volume at the highest standards.
>
> Go back and watch 20 year old PBS shows, or for that matter Sanford
> and Sons or Three's Company. You seriously want to make the case that
> "quality" standards have dropped?
>
> Tod Hopkins
> Hillmann & Carr Inc.
> todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com
>
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>
>

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[Avid-L2] Re: 3D monitors and finishing

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Tod Hopkins <hoplist@...> wrote:


<<Go back and watch 20 year old PBS shows, or for that matter Sanford
> and Sons or Three's Company. You seriously want to make the case that
> "quality" standards have dropped?>>

At the time, it was the best quality. PBS was strong on QC rejections back in the 80s and 90s also.

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[Avid-L2] Re: 3D monitors and finishing

> Go back and watch 20 year old PBS shows, or for that matter Sanford
> and Sons or Three's Company. You seriously want to make the case that
> "quality" standards have dropped?
> Tod Hopkins

One of the more interesting projects I've posted is the video content for the Billy Graham Library. It's a series of special multi-media presentations in various display formats that relies on archival footage. The great news is that the BGEA has covered Rev. Graham's life for over 50 years in media - hence, a ton of source material. What they didn't produce themselves, they have acquired, so there's a fantastic mix of every conceivable format from the late 40s until now. This included feature films and network TV shows.

In this process, some of the most challenging footage was color TV from the 70s until the 90s. By about the mid-90s, it looked like the industry had collectively figured this "color thing" out. From the 90s forward, color content looked pretty good. Other footage that also looked outstanding was B&W VIDEO from the 60s that had been preserved on various high-quality formats in the interim. Essentially it went from Quad to DigiBeta without the typical detour through 3/4 or VHS in between (as is so common with archival footage). This content held up extremely well to upconversion.

So when we look at these old shows, the reality is that the image quality of the day was always poor. We never realized it at the time because, a) that's all we knew and b) we were watching on equally poor display monitors. Perceptually, it didn't look as bad to us then as it does today.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: 3D monitors and finishing

On Mar 17, 2010, at 8:38 PM, oliverpetersvidy wrote:
> > Pat wrote:
> > and the quality viewers will accept has dropped to an all time low.
>
> I think that's a fallacy. Viewers never made the quality
> determination.

Quite true. Since when did I have a choice? A&E Biography is what it
is, but I like it. What would you suggest I do? Write A&E and tell
them to up their game?

Now if I happen to have the opportunity to watch the same show on two
channels, and one is HD, I'll choose the HD channel. But I'm not
going to watch the Tonight show in HD if I could be watching It Might
Get Loud in SD (not that IMGT is technically poor).

Further, I'm not a believer that Technical standards have dropped
except maybe on average. And that's merely because there is so much
more content now, and the additional content is produced to lower
standards because it's not possible to produce dramatically increased
volume at the highest standards.

Go back and watch 20 year old PBS shows, or for that matter Sanford
and Sons or Three's Company. You seriously want to make the case that
"quality" standards have dropped?

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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[Avid-L2] Re: Getting a sequence and media out of interplay (2nd attempt at posting)

You will, however, have a merry dance if the drive comes back with additional media that you want to consolidate back into the interplay (i.e. relink to Interplay media and only consolidate the missing media that is on the local drive).

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Roger Shufflebottom <rogshuff@...> wrote:
>
> Very simple. Make a copy of the sequence in a bin (drag in from IP if not a
> and consolidate the required media off the Unity to a local drive. Hand
> over. Done. Interplay will not prevent you doing this.
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Daniel McCabe <dmccabe@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > [Tried sending this yesterday and didn't make the list. Sorry if this is
> > a repost.]
> >
> > Dear Interplay Luminaries,
> >
> > I have a project on an Interplay system.
> >
> > Another facility would like my sequences and media files to use for
> > Promos. They are not Interplay but on the same version of MC (4.X)
> >
> > What is the best practice?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> With Best Wishes,
> Roger Shufflebottom
>
> roger@...
> 07973 543660
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] OT:ARRI Alexa

Well ignorance and cable company seem to go hand in hand.

Rick Emery
www.rickemery.com


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To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 9:10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] OT:ARRI Alexa


Now, dont underestimate stupidity! My cable company just sent me an ad pitching "the first ever 3D hockey game"... graphic of players with a Real D logo....yet the 2 kids watching from the corner of the ad are wearing anaglyph glasses....sigh.

here we go....a whole new world of ignorance!
kOz
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Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] OT:ARRI Alexa

On 18 Mar 2010, at 11:34, Tom McDonnell wrote:

> Oh please. Why can't the ignorant press get their limited IQ above a
> 10...

Because they're too busy learning how to shoot and edit?

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Thursday, March 18, 2010

RE: [Avid-L2] Avids at the Olympics

I had an acquaintance working there - said it was very slick integration
between Avid and EVS.

Dave Spraker
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Subject: [Avid-L2] Avids at the Olympics


Another little nugget of fun scored through Alltop.

DD

2010 Winter Olympics Recap -- Avid / Pow! Pix <http://vimeo.
<http://vimeo.com/9717884> com/9717884>
from BoB Coon <http://vimeo. <http://vimeo.com/bobcoon> com/bobcoon> on
Vimeo <http://vimeo. <http://vimeo.com> com>.

Behind the scenes edit of the NBC coverage of the 2010 Winter Games in
Vancouver. Shot on location the weeks of the games for Pow! Pix, an NBC
Vendor responsible for the non linear edit facility built at the figure
skating venue for the games.

Shot on Canon 5D Mark II with various Canon and Zeiss lenses.

http://blog.
<http://blog.planet5d.com/2010/03/behind-the-tv-in-the-control-room-with-the
-canon-eos-5d-mark-ii/
>
planet5d.com/2010/03/behind-the-tv-in-the-control-room-with-the-canon-eos-5d
-mark-ii/

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