Saturday, February 2, 2013

[Avid-L2] Re: MC 5.5 crashes while loading AudioSuite plugins.

 

Aha problem solved. Removed a demo plugin from waves audio.

Jeppe

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "jeppesvendsen" wrote:
>
> Hello everybody
> My MC 5.5 gives me an Access_Violation when I open the Audio Suite. It
> loads to 98% and then the error pops up. Afterwards it says DAE not
> connected.
> In the console it says:
> Exception:@ Sun Feb 03 08:06:18 2013* Exception: Structured Exception,
> ExceptionCode:0XC0000005, ExceptionString:ACCESS_VIOLATION,
> FaultAddress:00000000,
> MiniDumpFileName:59c439fa-81bf-4e4d-a2e0-e6b09e95551a.dmp
>
> It was working fine a couple of days ago.
> Any tips to solve this?
> Jeppe
>
>
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[Avid-L2] MC 5.5 crashes while loading AudioSuite plugins.

 

Hello everybody
My MC 5.5 gives me an Access_Violation when I open the Audio Suite. It
loads to 98% and then the error pops up. Afterwards it says DAE not
connected.
In the console it says:
Exception:@ Sun Feb 03 08:06:18 2013* Exception: Structured Exception,
ExceptionCode:0XC0000005, ExceptionString:ACCESS_VIOLATION,
FaultAddress:00000000,
MiniDumpFileName:59c439fa-81bf-4e4d-a2e0-e6b09e95551a.dmp

It was working fine a couple of days ago.
Any tips to solve this?
Jeppe

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[Avid-L2] Formatting external media drives — can case sensitivity cause problems?

 

Some students of mine have been editing with firewire drives that were formatted as Mac OS Extended, Journaled, Case-Sensitive. Running Media Composer 6.03.

Does anyone have any definite info on whether Case-Sensitivity can cause any problems? (I know many people go un-journaled, but I've read that journaling per se should cause no major problems.) One student is having some media management troubles. I won't go into detail here because I have a hunch it's related to other issues. But it made me wonder about the Case Sensitivity question.

I know that ProTools does not support this format but I have found no guidance from Avid in regard to formatting drives for media composer. Just curious if anyone knows.

Thanks
Mike

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Re: [Avid-L2] AMA and C300

I downloaded another driver as I last did this in MC 5.5 and now in Mountain Lion and 6.5. Changed the root folder to Canon and then replaced the producers label with original numbers and that folder came in. Now having producer get original numbers to all folders. It should work as it did the first folder if Im right.

thanks for suggestions.

Lou
On Feb 2, 2013, at 5:15 PM, "Dom Q. Silverio" <domqsilverio@gmail.com> wrote:

> To add, make sure the entire directory path contains no illegal characters.
>
> On 2/2/2013 8:02 PM, Steve Hullfish wrote:
> > I worked with C300 files on a Symphony 6.5 with no issues. Could it be that you are pointing to the wrong level of folder? I believe you need to point to a level above the CONTENT folder, or whatever it is that you copy of the cards...
> >
> > >From my slightly fuzzy recollection, I created folders on a RAID with the name of the card or camera (like CAMA1, CAMA2, CAMB1, CAMB2, etc. Then I placed the CONTENT folder (or whatever is on the root level of the actual card) inside that folder, then in Symphony, I pointed to the CAMA1 folder, not the CONTENT folder.
> >
> > You may already know that step, but I know that when I was pointing at the exact folder I thought I needed, nothing worked...
> >
> > Steve Hullfish
> > contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
> > author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
> >
> >
> > On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Lou Wirth loutv@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I have a drive full of files from a Canon C300. AMA won't bring them in. Sym 6.5.2. I went to the Avid site and supposedly have all the necessary AMA plugs. What is the trick to this voodoo? When I try either nothing happens or I get the standard error which I can't repeat as Im not in the room right now. We are on the verge of having to convert all the media to Pro Res just to get it in Avid.
> >>
> >> thanks
> >>
> >> Lou
> >> Lou Wirth Productions
> >> 500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
> >> Corte Madera, CA 94925
> >> www.louwirth.com
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Re: [Avid-L2] AMA and C300

 

Tell me tomorrow if it's done or not.
Got work done to restore / copy (partial) files on almost any format, so i
should be able to figure out what needs to be done.
(Not now, as i'm watching Cowboys and Aliens (found out too late Spielberg
was involved...), and after that i need some sleep..)

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Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] AMA and C300

> To add, make sure the entire directory path contains no illegal
> characters.
>
>
>
> On 2/2/2013 8:02 PM, Steve Hullfish wrote:
>> I worked with C300 files on a Symphony 6.5 with no issues. Could it be
>> that you are pointing to the wrong level of folder? I believe you need to
>> point to a level above the CONTENT folder, or whatever it is that you
>> copy of the cards...
>>
>> >From my slightly fuzzy recollection, I created folders on a RAID with
>> >the name of the card or camera (like CAMA1, CAMA2, CAMB1, CAMB2, etc.
>> >Then I placed the CONTENT folder (or whatever is on the root level of
>> >the actual card) inside that folder, then in Symphony, I pointed to the
>> >CAMA1 folder, not the CONTENT folder.
>>
>> You may already know that step, but I know that when I was pointing at
>> the exact folder I thought I needed, nothing worked...
>>
>> Steve Hullfish
>> contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
>> author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
>>
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Lou Wirth loutv@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a drive full of files from a Canon C300. AMA won't bring them in.
>>> Sym 6.5.2. I went to the Avid site and supposedly have all the necessary
>>> AMA plugs. What is the trick to this voodoo? When I try either nothing
>>> happens or I get the standard error which I can't repeat as Im not in
>>> the room right now. We are on the verge of having to convert all the
>>> media to Pro Res just to get it in Avid.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Lou
>>> Lou Wirth Productions
>>> 500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
>>> Corte Madera, CA 94925
>>> www.louwirth.com
>>> 415-924-9411p
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Avid-L2] AMA and C300

 

To add, make sure the entire directory path contains no illegal characters.

On 2/2/2013 8:02 PM, Steve Hullfish wrote:
> I worked with C300 files on a Symphony 6.5 with no issues. Could it be that you are pointing to the wrong level of folder? I believe you need to point to a level above the CONTENT folder, or whatever it is that you copy of the cards...
>
> >From my slightly fuzzy recollection, I created folders on a RAID with the name of the card or camera (like CAMA1, CAMA2, CAMB1, CAMB2, etc. Then I placed the CONTENT folder (or whatever is on the root level of the actual card) inside that folder, then in Symphony, I pointed to the CAMA1 folder, not the CONTENT folder.
>
> You may already know that step, but I know that when I was pointing at the exact folder I thought I needed, nothing worked...
>
> Steve Hullfish
> contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
> author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Lou Wirth loutv@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a drive full of files from a Canon C300. AMA won't bring them in. Sym 6.5.2. I went to the Avid site and supposedly have all the necessary AMA plugs. What is the trick to this voodoo? When I try either nothing happens or I get the standard error which I can't repeat as Im not in the room right now. We are on the verge of having to convert all the media to Pro Res just to get it in Avid.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Lou
>> Lou Wirth Productions
>> 500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
>> Corte Madera, CA 94925
>> www.louwirth.com
>> 415-924-9411p
>>
>>
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Re: [Avid-L2] AMA and C300

I worked with C300 files on a Symphony 6.5 with no issues. Could it be that you are pointing to the wrong level of folder? I believe you need to point to a level above the CONTENT folder, or whatever it is that you copy of the cards...

From my slightly fuzzy recollection, I created folders on a RAID with the name of the card or camera (like CAMA1, CAMA2, CAMB1, CAMB2, etc. Then I placed the CONTENT folder (or whatever is on the root level of the actual card) inside that folder, then in Symphony, I pointed to the CAMA1 folder, not the CONTENT folder.

You may already know that step, but I know that when I was pointing at the exact folder I thought I needed, nothing worked...

Steve Hullfish
contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"


On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Lou Wirth <loutv@mindspring.com> wrote:

> I have a drive full of files from a Canon C300. AMA won't bring them in. Sym 6.5.2. I went to the Avid site and supposedly have all the necessary AMA plugs. What is the trick to this voodoo? When I try either nothing happens or I get the standard error which I can't repeat as Im not in the room right now. We are on the verge of having to convert all the media to Pro Res just to get it in Avid.
>
> thanks
>
> Lou
> Lou Wirth Productions
> 500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
> Corte Madera, CA 94925
> www.louwirth.com
> 415-924-9411p
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] AMA and C300

Hi Lou,

I remember adding to a discussion here not too long ago, and on researching
it, found you yourself posted with some success:

A good tutorial here:
>
>
> http://blog.abelcine.com/2012/02/07/how-to-import-c300-footage-in-avid-fcp-x-and-premiere/
>
> got the new plug in installed and followed the lesson and OMG, it worked.
>
>
> Lou
>

This works for me too - hope you have some success.


On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Lou Wirth <loutv@mindspring.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I have a drive full of files from a Canon C300. AMA won't bring them in.
> Sym 6.5.2. I went to the Avid site and supposedly have all the necessary
> AMA plugs. What is the trick to this voodoo? When I try either nothing
> happens or I get the standard error which I can't repeat as Im not in the
> room right now. We are on the verge of having to convert all the media to
> Pro Res just to get it in Avid.
>
> thanks
>
> Lou
> Lou Wirth Productions
> 500Tamal Plaza, Suite 522
> Corte Madera, CA 94925
> www.louwirth.com
> 415-924-9411p
>
>
>
>


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[Avid-L2] AMA and C300

 

I have a drive full of files from a Canon C300. AMA won't bring them in. Sym 6.5.2. I went to the Avid site and supposedly have all the necessary AMA plugs. What is the trick to this voodoo? When I try either nothing happens or I get the standard error which I can't repeat as Im not in the room right now. We are on the verge of having to convert all the media to Pro Res just to get it in Avid.

thanks

Lou
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Corte Madera, CA 94925
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415-924-9411p


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Re: [Avid-L2] Isis Media Composer using AVXIntra as editing codec?

Agreed. My personal DSLR records AVCHD and it looks great, but I always
transcode to DNxHD to edit.
On Feb 2, 2013 7:22 AM, "Roger" <rogershuff@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> **
>
>
> The data rate is much less of an issue here than the CPU overhead in
> decoding and displaying the AVCHD as you edit. AMA link, subclip selects
> and transcode to an Avid codec. A much better experience.
>
> On 2 Feb 2013, at 05:45, Mark Spano wrote:
>
> > Yeah, AVCHD is not good at all for editing. If they want you to work to
> > that, it's not gonna be fun.
> >
> > AVCHD = long GOP interframe compression
> > AVC-Intra = intraframe compression, all I-frames, no GOP
> >
> > You're on the right track with DNxHD 45.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Dom Q. Silverio domqsilverio@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >> AVCHD is up to 28 Mb/s. It varies depending on implementation, but the
> >> upper limit is 28 Mb/s.
> >> DNX45 is a bit more predictable at 45 Mb/s. It is at least 61% higher.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/1/2013 11:24 PM, Steve Hullfish wrote:
> >>> As for 720P, I wanted to go 1080 because I didn't think you could get
> >> down to DNxHD45 with 720p...
> >>>
> >>> I still haven't figured out the various DNxHD formats that are
> available
> >> depending on the specifics of the format, for example, if you go RGB
> >> instead of YCbCr you are stuck with DNxHD220 4:4:4...
> >>>
> >>> I just want a decent looking, easy to edit, relatively small codec to
> >> suggest. I am pretty sure that this station IS a 720p station,
> >> broadcast-wise... I'll ask what their servers save stuff as.
> >>>
> >>> Anybody know the size difference between AVCHD and DNxHD45... I'll look
> >> on the Avid website to see if I can find it...
> >>>
> >>> Steve Hullfish
> >>> contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
> >>> author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:09 PM, Dave Spraker avid@spraker.tv> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> That's whacked. 720p may be appropriate depending on their network
> >>>> affiliation, but AVCHD is a pain to convert to and from.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dave Spraker
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Western Rep | EditShare | Maxx Digital | Consulting | Sports Audio
> >>>>
> >>>> dave@spraker.tv dave@spraker.tv>
> >>>> (503) 897-0250
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>> www.editshare.com http://www.editshare.com/>
> >>>>
> >>>> www.maxxdigital.com http://www.maxxdigital.com/>
> >>>>
> >>>> www.spraker.tv http://www.spraker.tv/
> https://www.vizify.com/es/50a32f618e76660002000521> See my vizify bio!
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On
> >> Behalf Of
> >>>> Steve Hullfish
> >>>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:38 PM
> >>>> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Isis Media Composer using AVXIntra as editing
> >> codec?
> >>>>
> >>>> Marc, You are correct. I'm mistaken. It's AVCHD. That's cool? These
> are
> >> MC
> >>>> 6.5 systems running on a mirrored Isis 7000 of considerable size.
> >>>>
> >>>> Their consultant told them to use AVDHC at 720p. I would prefer DNxHD
> at
> >>>> 1080.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is for a TV station in a major market. The news stuff is P2. The
> >> rest
> >>>> is all off of network servers, coming in as some flavor of MPEG2 HD.
> >>>>
> >>>> I was feeling like the system (which is brand-spanking new) was
> >> sluggish.
> >>>>
> >>>> If it's fine to edit with and it saves space, I'm all for it.
> >> Personally I'd
> >>>> prefer DNxHD and 1080, but that's just personal and I don't know that
> it
> >>>> would really look any better, but I feel like at DNxHD 45 it wouldn't
> >> save
> >>>> that much space over AVCHD and MIGHT provide better performance.
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve Hullfish
> >>>> contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
> http://www.provideocoalition.com
> >>>
> >>>> author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 31, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Mark Spano cutandcover@gmail.com
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Steve,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Are you maybe confusing AVC-Intra with AVCHD? AVC-Intra (in MC) is a
> >>>>> 100Mbit/sec high quality intraframe codec suitable for editing,
> >> mastering,
> >>>>> shooting, etc.. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVC-Intra)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> AVCHD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD) is an extremely efficient
> >> lossy
> >>>>> codec only suitable for shooting (sometimes) and highly compressed
> >>>>> delivery. And yes, you do want to get away from it quickly when
> >> bringing
> >>>> it
> >>>>> in for editing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> AVC-Intra works well but I would say is sluggish compared to DNxHD
> >> (unless
> >>>>> you have the Nitris DX AVC-I chip, as Dave mentioned). However, it's
> >> not a
> >>>>> space saver or a lower quality codec.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Steve Hullfish
> >>>>> steve4lists@veralith.com >wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> **
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm freelancing for a place that has an Isis and Media Composer 6.5s
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When they were walking me through their standard procedures, the
> first
> >>>> one
> >>>>>> was to set the Media Creation settings to capture at AVCIntra... My
> >>>>>> previous dealings with AVCIntra as an editing format SUCKED. I
> thought
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> goal was to get AWAY from Intra as quickly as possible. They're
> >> actually
> >>>>>> intentionally taking media INTO AVCIntra on Avid. Is there any
> >> benefit to
> >>>>>> this? I doubt it saves that much space/bandwidth compared to DNxHD
> >> 45...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There are multiple stations using AVCIntra as an editing media
> format.
> >>>>>> Does anyone think there's any good reason for that? I'm not being
> >>>> sarcastic
> >>>>>> or rhetorical. I want to know. I want to convince them to switch to
> >> 45,
> >>>> but
> >>>>>> that will be going against the advice of the "expert" that set this
> >> up.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Steve
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Isis Media Composer using AVXIntra as editing codec?

 

The data rate is much less of an issue here than the CPU overhead in decoding and displaying the AVCHD as you edit. AMA link, subclip selects and transcode to an Avid codec. A much better experience.

On 2 Feb 2013, at 05:45, Mark Spano wrote:

> Yeah, AVCHD is not good at all for editing. If they want you to work to
> that, it's not gonna be fun.
>
> AVCHD = long GOP interframe compression
> AVC-Intra = intraframe compression, all I-frames, no GOP
>
> You're on the right track with DNxHD 45.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Dom Q. Silverio domqsilverio@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> AVCHD is up to 28 Mb/s. It varies depending on implementation, but the
>> upper limit is 28 Mb/s.
>> DNX45 is a bit more predictable at 45 Mb/s. It is at least 61% higher.
>>
>>
>> On 2/1/2013 11:24 PM, Steve Hullfish wrote:
>>> As for 720P, I wanted to go 1080 because I didn't think you could get
>> down to DNxHD45 with 720p...
>>>
>>> I still haven't figured out the various DNxHD formats that are available
>> depending on the specifics of the format, for example, if you go RGB
>> instead of YCbCr you are stuck with DNxHD220 4:4:4...
>>>
>>> I just want a decent looking, easy to edit, relatively small codec to
>> suggest. I am pretty sure that this station IS a 720p station,
>> broadcast-wise... I'll ask what their servers save stuff as.
>>>
>>> Anybody know the size difference between AVCHD and DNxHD45... I'll look
>> on the Avid website to see if I can find it...
>>>
>>> Steve Hullfish
>>> contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
>>> author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
>>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:09 PM, Dave Spraker avid@spraker.tv> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's whacked. 720p may be appropriate depending on their network
>>>> affiliation, but AVCHD is a pain to convert to and from.
>>>>
>>>> Dave Spraker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Western Rep | EditShare | Maxx Digital | Consulting | Sports Audio
>>>>
>>>> dave@spraker.tv dave@spraker.tv>
>>>> (503) 897-0250
>>>>
>>>> www.westernrep.com
>>>>
>>>> www.editshare.com http://www.editshare.com/>
>>>>
>>>> www.maxxdigital.com http://www.maxxdigital.com/>
>>>>
>>>> www.spraker.tv http://www.spraker.tv/https://www.vizify.com/es/50a32f618e76660002000521> See my vizify bio!
>>>>
>>>> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of
>>>> Steve Hullfish
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:38 PM
>>>> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Isis Media Composer using AVXIntra as editing
>> codec?
>>>>
>>>> Marc, You are correct. I'm mistaken. It's AVCHD. That's cool? These are
>> MC
>>>> 6.5 systems running on a mirrored Isis 7000 of considerable size.
>>>>
>>>> Their consultant told them to use AVDHC at 720p. I would prefer DNxHD at
>>>> 1080.
>>>>
>>>> This is for a TV station in a major market. The news stuff is P2. The
>> rest
>>>> is all off of network servers, coming in as some flavor of MPEG2 HD.
>>>>
>>>> I was feeling like the system (which is brand-spanking new) was
>> sluggish.
>>>>
>>>> If it's fine to edit with and it saves space, I'm all for it.
>> Personally I'd
>>>> prefer DNxHD and 1080, but that's just personal and I don't know that it
>>>> would really look any better, but I feel like at DNxHD 45 it wouldn't
>> save
>>>> that much space over AVCHD and MIGHT provide better performance.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Hullfish
>>>> contributor: www.provideocoalition.com http://www.provideocoalition.com
>>>
>>>> author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 31, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Mark Spano cutandcover@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Steve,
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you maybe confusing AVC-Intra with AVCHD? AVC-Intra (in MC) is a
>>>>> 100Mbit/sec high quality intraframe codec suitable for editing,
>> mastering,
>>>>> shooting, etc.. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVC-Intra)
>>>>>
>>>>> AVCHD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD) is an extremely efficient
>> lossy
>>>>> codec only suitable for shooting (sometimes) and highly compressed
>>>>> delivery. And yes, you do want to get away from it quickly when
>> bringing
>>>> it
>>>>> in for editing.
>>>>>
>>>>> AVC-Intra works well but I would say is sluggish compared to DNxHD
>> (unless
>>>>> you have the Nitris DX AVC-I chip, as Dave mentioned). However, it's
>> not a
>>>>> space saver or a lower quality codec.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Steve Hullfish
>>>>> steve4lists@veralith.com >wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> **
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm freelancing for a place that has an Isis and Media Composer 6.5s
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When they were walking me through their standard procedures, the first
>>>> one
>>>>>> was to set the Media Creation settings to capture at AVCIntra... My
>>>>>> previous dealings with AVCIntra as an editing format SUCKED. I thought
>>>> the
>>>>>> goal was to get AWAY from Intra as quickly as possible. They're
>> actually
>>>>>> intentionally taking media INTO AVCIntra on Avid. Is there any
>> benefit to
>>>>>> this? I doubt it saves that much space/bandwidth compared to DNxHD
>> 45...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are multiple stations using AVCIntra as an editing media format.
>>>>>> Does anyone think there's any good reason for that? I'm not being
>>>> sarcastic
>>>>>> or rhetorical. I want to know. I want to convince them to switch to
>> 45,
>>>> but
>>>>>> that will be going against the advice of the "expert" that set this
>> up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Isis Media Composer using AVXIntra as editing codec?

Yeah, AVCHD is not good at all for editing. If they want you to work to
that, it's not gonna be fun.

AVCHD = long GOP interframe compression
AVC-Intra = intraframe compression, all I-frames, no GOP

You're on the right track with DNxHD 45.


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Dom Q. Silverio <domqsilverio@gmail.com>wrote:

> **
>
>
> AVCHD is up to 28 Mb/s. It varies depending on implementation, but the
> upper limit is 28 Mb/s.
> DNX45 is a bit more predictable at 45 Mb/s. It is at least 61% higher.
>
>
> On 2/1/2013 11:24 PM, Steve Hullfish wrote:
> > As for 720P, I wanted to go 1080 because I didn't think you could get
> down to DNxHD45 with 720p...
> >
> > I still haven't figured out the various DNxHD formats that are available
> depending on the specifics of the format, for example, if you go RGB
> instead of YCbCr you are stuck with DNxHD220 4:4:4...
> >
> > I just want a decent looking, easy to edit, relatively small codec to
> suggest. I am pretty sure that this station IS a 720p station,
> broadcast-wise... I'll ask what their servers save stuff as.
> >
> > Anybody know the size difference between AVCHD and DNxHD45... I'll look
> on the Avid website to see if I can find it...
> >
> > Steve Hullfish
> > contributor: www.provideocoalition.com
> > author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
> >
> > On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:09 PM, Dave Spraker avid@spraker.tv> wrote:
> >
> >> That's whacked. 720p may be appropriate depending on their network
> >> affiliation, but AVCHD is a pain to convert to and from.
> >>
> >> Dave Spraker
> >>
> >>
> >> Western Rep | EditShare | Maxx Digital | Consulting | Sports Audio
> >>
> >> dave@spraker.tv dave@spraker.tv>
> >> (503) 897-0250
> >>
> >> www.westernrep.com
> >>
> >> www.editshare.com http://www.editshare.com/>
> >>
> >> www.maxxdigital.com http://www.maxxdigital.com/>
> >>
> >> www.spraker.tv http://www.spraker.tv/>
> >>
> >> https://www.vizify.com/es/50a32f618e76660002000521> See my vizify bio!
> >>
> >> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> >> Steve Hullfish
> >> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:38 PM
> >> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Isis Media Composer using AVXIntra as editing
> codec?
> >>
> >> Marc, You are correct. I'm mistaken. It's AVCHD. That's cool? These are
> MC
> >> 6.5 systems running on a mirrored Isis 7000 of considerable size.
> >>
> >> Their consultant told them to use AVDHC at 720p. I would prefer DNxHD at
> >> 1080.
> >>
> >> This is for a TV station in a major market. The news stuff is P2. The
> rest
> >> is all off of network servers, coming in as some flavor of MPEG2 HD.
> >>
> >> I was feeling like the system (which is brand-spanking new) was
> sluggish.
> >>
> >> If it's fine to edit with and it saves space, I'm all for it.
> Personally I'd
> >> prefer DNxHD and 1080, but that's just personal and I don't know that it
> >> would really look any better, but I feel like at DNxHD 45 it wouldn't
> save
> >> that much space over AVCHD and MIGHT provide better performance.
> >>
> >> Steve Hullfish
> >> contributor: www.provideocoalition.com http://www.provideocoalition.com
> >
> >> author: "The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction"
> >>
> >> On Jan 31, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Mark Spano cutandcover@gmail.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>> Steve,
> >>>
> >>> Are you maybe confusing AVC-Intra with AVCHD? AVC-Intra (in MC) is a
> >>> 100Mbit/sec high quality intraframe codec suitable for editing,
> mastering,
> >>> shooting, etc.. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVC-Intra)
> >>>
> >>> AVCHD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD) is an extremely efficient
> lossy
> >>> codec only suitable for shooting (sometimes) and highly compressed
> >>> delivery. And yes, you do want to get away from it quickly when
> bringing
> >> it
> >>> in for editing.
> >>>
> >>> AVC-Intra works well but I would say is sluggish compared to DNxHD
> (unless
> >>> you have the Nitris DX AVC-I chip, as Dave mentioned). However, it's
> not a
> >>> space saver or a lower quality codec.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Steve Hullfish
> >>> steve4lists@veralith.com >wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> **
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm freelancing for a place that has an Isis and Media Composer 6.5s
> >>>>
> >>>> When they were walking me through their standard procedures, the first
> >> one
> >>>> was to set the Media Creation settings to capture at AVCIntra... My
> >>>> previous dealings with AVCIntra as an editing format SUCKED. I thought
> >> the
> >>>> goal was to get AWAY from Intra as quickly as possible. They're
> actually
> >>>> intentionally taking media INTO AVCIntra on Avid. Is there any
> benefit to
> >>>> this? I doubt it saves that much space/bandwidth compared to DNxHD
> 45...
> >>>>
> >>>> There are multiple stations using AVCIntra as an editing media format.
> >>>> Does anyone think there's any good reason for that? I'm not being
> >> sarcastic
> >>>> or rhetorical. I want to know. I want to convince them to switch to
> 45,
> >> but
> >>>> that will be going against the advice of the "expert" that set this
> up.
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Squeeze levels

This won't help you much, but I have Symphony 6.0.3.2 and the version 8 of
Squeeze that came with and I do not have this issue. As long as I feed
Squeeze a full scale file, blacks coming out look like what went in.

What H.264 encoder are you using? I've had success with both Main Concept
and x264. Does the same problem happen with Compressor or MPEG Streamclip?


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 5:34 PM, bouke <bouke@editb.nl> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Got Squeeze 8.something (latest for Avid on their website)
> And whatever i do, blacks are grey (not really checked other values) when
> i
> encode to H264
> Preview seems quite ok, but renders suck.
> And no, it's not a 709 / RGB problem, but it might be part of it.
> Exported from Avid as RGB, but even a transcoded Animation file with
> correct
> black refuses to encode well.
> Options? (Except adding a shitload of filters)
>
> Bouke
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