Saturday, August 23, 2014

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Dongles updates deadline?

 

On 8/24/14 11:00 AM, John Beck jb30343@windstream.net [Avid-L2] wrote:
 

I doubt it will have much of an effect on people who are using it as a
professional tool, day in and day out. What it will affect are people
who keep a copy on an extra system at home or their notebook or wherever
for occasional use. It will also drive off some people who make their
living using other systems but like to keep a copy of MC around just in
case. I have no idea how many people that is. I suspect it's quite a few.
--J.B.

Well I'm one.

As a small post house owner I spend all my time in Nuke, Flame or Smoke, I also end up loading client offlines made in FCP. I dont have to do that with Avid offlines as the Avid editors send me EDLS that just work.

BUT ive had an avid (or several) pretty much continuously since 89 so I keep upgrading out of habit. I upgraded to new software Avid around v5 and have paid for and either not installed or barely launched 5.5, 6, 7 and 8. I won't be deterred be a few hundred bucks here and there from staying current but to be honest I know thats probably 50% nostalgia at this point and also the hope that at some point it will make me some money.

Im FAR from the average user here though as I primarily am an online guy on TVCs, though I do still cut the odd doco for friends. Also as I have the heavy lifting tools for online I dont hit the walls others here do when I do use Avid. As an edit system there's still nothing else I'd rather cut in but I tend to inherit jobs that have made the system choice long before I get involved, Ive even had some TVCs lately that were cut in Lightworks for the first time in a decade.

best regards

Mike

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Dongles updates deadline?

 

I doubt it will have much of an effect on people who are using it as a
professional tool, day in and day out. What it will affect are people
who keep a copy on an extra system at home or their notebook or wherever
for occasional use. It will also drive off some people who make their
living using other systems but like to keep a copy of MC around just in
case. I have no idea how many people that is. I suspect it's quite a few.
--J.B.

switthaus@mac.com [Avid-L2] wrote:
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> It will effectively kill Avid as an updated editing option for me and
> many editors like me. There just isn't enough Avid freelance work
> outside the core markets, so $300 is pissing in the wind. I realize
> this is a good way to stabilize a revenue stream for Avid, but I
> think a lot of editors will just let Avid die now. For me, MC 7.0.4
> will become much like FCP-Legacy: just there, just in case.
> Or, for $300 you can buy FCPX and the updates have been free. ;-)
>
> sw
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Dongles updates deadline?

 

i wish Zelin was still commenting on the L. " a pro cant even drop $300 bucks for an upgrade?! What are they charging to edit, 10 bucks an hour? Why bother editing?!!" etc

Owen's iphone


On Aug 23, 2014, at 6:16 PM, "switthaus@mac.com [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

It will effectively kill Avid as an updated editing option for me and many editors like me.  There just isn't enough Avid freelance work outside the core markets, so $300 is pissing in the wind.  I realize this is a good way to stabilize a  revenue stream for Avid, but I think a lot of editors will just let Avid die now.  For me, MC 7.0.4 will become much like FCP-Legacy: just there, just in case.

Or, for $300 you can buy FCPX and the updates have been free.  ;-)

sw

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[Avid-L2] Re: Sony a7s AMA Plugin

 

It's early days for this Sony A7s camera -- and SLog2 is being handled in a number of ways:

1.  A number of end-users have created 1D and 3D LUTs, and are sharing them with the community.

2.  Products such as VisionColor's ImpulZ also support the A7s implementation of SLog2.  Link:  http://www.vision-color.com/impulz/

3.  And, finally, the Atomos Shogun (shipping October) will have both Canon C-Log and a Sony-supplied 3D SLog LUT to normalize the calibrated Shogun display back to Rec709 (so you can view the normalized image while recording Log).
 
However, my "3rd party" reference had more to do with Avid's inability to import or AMA XAVC-S files.  It's really a bummer, and it requires software like Squeeze or AE to transcode XAVC-S to DNxHD.

As an aside, you might want to watch this video on Resolve 11's new Color Chart Match feature.  The advantage here is that you are not baking a LUT into your footage -- nor are you fighting against it while you are color correcting.  I don't believe the Baselight plugin has this feature, but I stand to be corrected.  Anyway, for those with some level of collaboration (or control) over the production unit, this is an interesting time-saver.  Link:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byTporDXYxA

  

Conversely, you use Michael Philips' more manual version of the same general technique:  Link: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1226998/Blog%20Images/macbeth_tutorial.mov

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[Avid-L2] Re: Sony a7s AMA Plugin

 

"And a good chuck of the footage is shot in Sony S-Log2 (with or without S-Gamut) -- requiring a LUT (although I can deal with the transform myself). "I don't have a solution for the ama pluging.  You mention 3rd party software.  Does Resolve handle these files?  Also when you deal with the LUT transform what tools do you use?  Are you creating a LUT or just adding a color correction to get to REC 709 or some other color space?  I would think in order to create a proper LUT transform you we need some form of test charts to be shot but I've never created a LUT so I'm just guessing.  I always feel like I'm just shot gunning it when  I apply  a color correction to stretch things out that come in Log C.



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <blafarm@...> wrote :

I am trying to work with files from the new Sony a7S in Symphony 8.1 (it's the new 1080/4k low-light monster camera).

The camera uses a flavor of MP4 that is called XAVC-S.  And a good chuck of the footage is shot in Sony S-Log2 (with or without S-Gamut) -- requiring a LUT (although I can deal with the transform myself). 


I (and apparently others) have tried the traditional importing method -- and it's a no-go.  We have also tried AMA using Sony's XAVC AMA plugin, however the plugin does not seem to support XAVC-2 (or S-Log2 and S-Gamut for that matter).


http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/pdzk-ma2


This camera is quickly gaining traction -- but seemly requires 3rd party software to use within Media Composer.


Anyone know of another resource worth trying?


Thanks.

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[Avid-L2] [FR] Four requests after seeing the goodies added in v8.1

 



To:
Avid-L2
and 
the magical Avid Engineers that lurk the "L2"

Cc:
Bryan C.
Christie C.


Four requests after seeing the goodies added in v8.1

I'm begging now . . .
Please, oh please, oh please. Oh! pleee-aaa-ssse!

I can't be the only one with these wishes, hopes, dreams, and desires . . .


1.
AutoKeyframing Toggle
Direct Manipulation in Effect Mode is great, 
but not when it adds keyframes when I don't want it to (e.g. Scale that's not meant to animate).

2.
A Bin Container Window -- similar to SuperBin -- My vote goes to calling it BinRangler© (I'm only half kidding).
Allow the user to enable/disable this feature, which would make it possible to single-click on the bin icon (or maybe an Opt/Alt Single Click) and that would open the bin and place it into the Bin Container Window (which would be a "Tool" so that it could be locked in a specific location as part of a Workspace (a.k.a. Toolset). The Bin Container would behave like a tabbed set does now.

3.
Paint and AniMatte promoted to Advanced Keyframes. 
And when a shape is added, it would get its own keyframe track.
Plus, the ability to hold Shift to make a circle or a square.

4.
Please return the interface customizability circa v3 or v4 (and any more customizability 
that anyone can dream-up, including Font size and typeface customizability throughout).
You may not think it matters . . . but it really does. 
Just today a young editor (switching from FCP) commented that they liked the customizability in v7. 
Then I told him about v4 and previous, and he drooled.
Personally, I miss:
- Timeline Bkgd Color (I used to make mine black, which is much easier on the eyes during a long day of cutting).
- Ability to color Filler (helpful when you have many tracks).
- Custom I/O highlight/s (Would be helpful differentiating between an I/O highlight and a Segment Mode selection highlight).

Thank you. Danke. Grazie. Merci. Gracias. ありがとう.

I now return you to your regular programming.

Cheers,

Benjamin
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[Avid-L2] Re: Dongles updates deadline?

 

It will effectively kill Avid as an updated editing option for me and many editors like me.  There just isn't enough Avid freelance work outside the core markets, so $300 is pissing in the wind.  I realize this is a good way to stabilize a  revenue stream for Avid, but I think a lot of editors will just let Avid die now.  For me, MC 7.0.4 will become much like FCP-Legacy: just there, just in case.

Or, for $300 you can buy FCPX and the updates have been free.  ;-)

sw

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[Avid-L2] Sony a7s AMA Plugin

 

I am trying to work with files from the new Sony a7S in Symphony 8.1 (it's the new 1080/4k low-light monster camera).

The camera uses a flavor of MP4 that is called XAVC-S.  And a good chuck of the footage is shot in Sony S-Log2 (with or without S-Gamut) -- requiring a LUT (although I can deal with the transform myself). 


I (and apparently others) have tried the traditional importing method -- and it's a no-go.  We have also tried AMA using Sony's XAVC AMA plugin, however the plugin does not seem to support XAVC-2 (or S-Log2 and S-Gamut for that matter).


http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/pdzk-ma2


This camera is quickly gaining traction -- but seemly requires 3rd party software to use within Media Composer.


Anyone know of another resource worth trying?


Thanks.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Dongles updates deadline?

 


Totally depends on what Avid comes up with. For next-to-no development and zero information, that 300 bucks is gambling money.

On 23 aug. 2014, at 11:03, pat@horridge.org.uk [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hard to imagine anyone doesn't think an upgrade path isn't worth that. 

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Dongles updates deadline?

 

This scare tactic seems a bit unfair, especially when a significant part of dongle owners:
-are long time, loyal Avid customers
-paid premium prices for their products back in the day
-upgraded on a regular basis, but only as they saw fit

If Avid counts on everybody jumping on this type of assurance, they're up for a big surprise.
And by the way, there used to be great, knowledgeable guys in support. Not so much these days - I can almost see their blank stare when I ask some basic questions, followed by a side step of asking around for answers and potentially getting back to you in a couple of days.

As a matter of fact, I have a case opened back in March about the dreaded black frame when outputting to tape with Blackmagic cards and only some lame workaround attempts every few weeks. Interestingly enough, my repeated requests to escalate the case are systematically ignored.

cheers,
BG


From: "pat@horridge.org.uk [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 2:03 AM
Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Dongles updates deadline?

 
Yup pretty straight forward. You need to put each system/dongle onto to annual support before the end of december 2014.
If you don't they will have no upgrade path past that.
The annual support is $299 per year.
Hard to imagine anyone doesn't think an upgrade path isn't worth that.  And unlike subscription at least those dongles will continie to run at whatever version they are on if you stop support in the future.

Pat from his mobile.


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