Re: [Avid-L2] Uprez for Delivery

If the short has to be shot ask the camera people to feed TC to the sound recorder, sync will be a snap then.

Regards, Luca

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Re: [Avid-L2] Uprez for Delivery

Thankfully this is a short narrative film, single camera.

Can't thank you guys enough for chiming in,

this sounds pretty solid.

Now to find a basic best practices tutorial on autosyncing clips in MC. I know Resolve will create a sequence based on all synced clips on a camera card.

Looking to see if there is a similar function in MC.

On Aug 11, 2021, at 4:08 PM, John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

I've had little to no issues when offline ama linked to the 4K and transcoded to dnx 36.  I then re ama link to the 4K and consolidate the entire clips first.  I've been mainly working with Varicam 35 AVCHD media.  You can skip the consolidate entire clips step and just ama link to 4K  and relink the sequence to them then consolidate the sequence.  On most of my shows it's a multi cam stage performance so I have very few but very long clips over an hour each.  I've found that just ama linking can be a little unstable so I did the pre consolidate so Avid was more stable.  This was not as bad as it sounds due to the total number of camera clips would be around 40 to 50.  It gave me a reliable relink so when I got late changes it was as simple as mounting the consolidated clip hard drive in a dock and just consolidating the new material.  For a typical documentary with lots of various sources it wouldn't be practical to pre consolidate but the ama link should work.  In a documentary I guess I would ama link to as many original sources I could and consolidate those then move on to the next batch, rinse and repeat.

Chip Hess
CFH3 Media

Re: [Avid-L2] Uprez for Delivery

I've had little to no issues when offline ama linked to the 4K and transcoded to dnx 36.  I then re ama link to the 4K and consolidate the entire clips first.  I've been mainly working with Varicam 35 AVCHD media.  You can skip the consolidate entire clips step and just ama link to 4K  and relink the sequence to them then consolidate the sequence.  On most of my shows it's a multi cam stage performance so I have very few but very long clips over an hour each.  I've found that just ama linking can be a little unstable so I did the pre consolidate so Avid was more stable.  This was not as bad as it sounds due to the total number of camera clips would be around 40 to 50.  It gave me a reliable relink so when I got late changes it was as simple as mounting the consolidated clip hard drive in a dock and just consolidating the new material.  For a typical documentary with lots of various sources it wouldn't be practical to pre consolidate but the ama link should work.  In a documentary I guess I would ama link to as many original sources I could and consolidate those then move on to the next batch, rinse and repeat.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Uprez for Delivery

Late or not, your input is much appreciated!

Now once I set up a decent workflow for syncing the audio,

I am golden.

Thx John.

On Aug 10, 2021, at 10:27 PM, John Moore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

Late to the party.  I always create an online project in the 4K format for delivery and take the final sequence bin into the online project.  It may be prudent to bring the original ama bins in too.  I find the more separation between offline and online project the better in terms of under the hood system settings.  Usually offline is in a 1080 HD project so when I'm delivering 4K DCI 4096x2160 it just goes smoother to have different projects to keep the reformatting and display preference settings straight.  I've done several non HDR shows this way.

Chip Hess
CFH3 Media

Re: [Avid-L2] Uprez for Delivery

Late to the party.  I always create an online project in the 4K format for delivery and take the final sequence bin into the online project.  It may be prudent to bring the original ama bins in too.  I find the more separation between offline and online project the better in terms of under the hood system settings.  Usually offline is in a 1080 HD project so when I'm delivering 4K DCI 4096x2160 it just goes smoother to have different projects to keep the reformatting and display preference settings straight.  I've done several non HDR shows this way.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Uprez for Delivery

I just learned the short I have taken on will be shot with external audio source.

I have been fortunate enough to work mostly with audio fed into the camera.

Having no AE, I will be faced with syncing up myself.

What's best practice, here?

Create a sequence for each good take and syncing that way?

Then of course cutting that sequence into the timeline.

Or doing the syncing in the actual timeline of the cut?

I am guessing the former to make the most sense.

I worked with this years ago as an AE, but we were blessed to have a PA

sync all for us.

Whatever the method, it just needs to not mess with uprezzing, in the end.

Thanks to Roger and Jo for the assist thus far!

On Aug 10, 2021, at 1:19 AM, Roger via groups.io <rogershuff=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Good question - others may chime in here. Probably make a project to match your final output and work within that - there are plenty of choices for transcode quality.

With Best Wishes, Roger Shufflebottom +44 7973 543 660

On Monday, 9 August 2021, 23:40:55 BST, C. Hess <cfh3media@gmail.com> wrote:

So helpful, thanks!

Last question.

When I create the project, do I need to set up for 4K or 1080?

Or are we talking two projects and sharing bins?

On Aug 9, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Roger via groups.io <rogershuff=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

One bin for each camera card. Select and transcode to a low resolution, then edit. When happy (are we ever?), duplicate sequence and select it. Re-open original camera bins and select all clips (even those you didn't use). On the selected (low-res) sequence, either right-click or Clip menu and choose Relink. Choose 'Relink to selected items in all open bins'. go for it. Grade and finish.

Chip Hess
CFH3 Media

Chip Hess
CFH3 Media

Re: [Avid-L2] Uprez for Delivery

Chip,

you can only switch the project settings in the same frame rate family - but into different resolutions. I.e. starting UHDp59.94 going to 1080p29.97 and back to UHDp59.94 is fine - though you cannot go from 1080p29.97 to 1080i29.97… 

If you create a new project (blank) and then go to the project settings Avid will show you your ways of switching the project. I'm not too familiar with 29.97 /23.98 to make a statement on that – my best guess is: create a project, open it and then check the offered possibilities.

(this from 25fps world.)

Cheers!

Jochen "Jo" Hermann

filter Media Postproduction

Salzburg, Austria

On 10. Aug 2021, at 17:34, C. Hess <cfh3media@gmail.com> wrote:

Jo and Roger,

Great info and thanks again.

I knew I'd get a straight answer - without the snark ;-)

I did not know one could change the project settings after the fact.

Solved!

On Aug 10, 2021, at 1:29 AM, Jo's Mailinglists <lists@filter-media.net> wrote:

Our workflow is: in the same project an just switch the project settings.

Only for interlaced delivery derivates (after color / audio etc) we create a side-project.

Best

Jo

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On 10. Aug 2021, at 08:19, Roger via groups.io <rogershuff=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Good question - others may chime in here. Probably make a project to match your final output and work within that - there are plenty of choices for transcode quality.

With Best Wishes, Roger Shufflebottom +44 7973 543 660

On Monday, 9 August 2021, 23:40:55 BST, C. Hess <cfh3media@gmail.com> wrote:

So helpful, thanks!

Last question.

When I create the project, do I need to set up for 4K or 1080?

Or are we talking two projects and sharing bins?

On Aug 9, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Roger via groups.io <rogershuff=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

One bin for each camera card. Select and transcode to a low resolution, then edit. When happy (are we ever?), duplicate sequence and select it. Re-open original camera bins and select all clips (even those you didn't use). On the selected (low-res) sequence, either right-click or Clip menu and choose Relink. Choose 'Relink to selected items in all open bins'. go for it. Grade and finish.

Chip Hess
CFH3 Media

Chip Hess
CFH3 Media
312-806-3840

Re: [Avid-L2] Uprez for Delivery

Jo and Roger,

Great info and thanks again.

I knew I'd get a straight answer - without the snark ;-)

I did not know one could change the project settings after the fact.

Solved!

On Aug 10, 2021, at 1:29 AM, Jo's Mailinglists <lists@filter-media.net> wrote:

Our workflow is: in the same project an just switch the project settings.

Only for interlaced delivery derivates (after color / audio etc) we create a side-project.

Best

Jo

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filter Media Postproduction

On 10. Aug 2021, at 08:19, Roger via groups.io <rogershuff=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Good question - others may chime in here. Probably make a project to match your final output and work within that - there are plenty of choices for transcode quality.

With Best Wishes, Roger Shufflebottom +44 7973 543 660

On Monday, 9 August 2021, 23:40:55 BST, C. Hess <cfh3media@gmail.com> wrote:

So helpful, thanks!

Last question.

When I create the project, do I need to set up for 4K or 1080?

Or are we talking two projects and sharing bins?

On Aug 9, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Roger via groups.io <rogershuff=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

One bin for each camera card. Select and transcode to a low resolution, then edit. When happy (are we ever?), duplicate sequence and select it. Re-open original camera bins and select all clips (even those you didn't use). On the selected (low-res) sequence, either right-click or Clip menu and choose Relink. Choose 'Relink to selected items in all open bins'. go for it. Grade and finish.

Chip Hess
CFH3 Media

Chip Hess
CFH3 Media
312-806-3840

Re: [Avid-L2] Uprez for Delivery

Our workflow is: in the same project an just switch the project settings.

Only for interlaced delivery derivates (after color / audio etc) we create a side-project.

Best

Jo

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Jochen "Jo" Hermann

filter Media Postproduction

On 10. Aug 2021, at 08:19, Roger via groups.io <rogershuff=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Good question - others may chime in here. Probably make a project to match your final output and work within that - there are plenty of choices for transcode quality.

With Best Wishes, Roger Shufflebottom +44 7973 543 660

On Monday, 9 August 2021, 23:40:55 BST, C. Hess <cfh3media@gmail.com> wrote:

So helpful, thanks!

Last question.

When I create the project, do I need to set up for 4K or 1080?

Or are we talking two projects and sharing bins?

On Aug 9, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Roger via groups.io <rogershuff=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

One bin for each camera card. Select and transcode to a low resolution, then edit. When happy (are we ever?), duplicate sequence and select it. Re-open original camera bins and select all clips (even those you didn't use). On the selected (low-res) sequence, either right-click or Clip menu and choose Relink. Choose 'Relink to selected items in all open bins'. go for it. Grade and finish.

Chip Hess
CFH3 Media

Re: [Avid-L2] Uprez for Delivery

Good question - others may chime in here. Probably make a project to match your final output and work within that - there are plenty of choices for transcode quality.

With Best Wishes, Roger Shufflebottom +44 7973 543 660

On Monday, 9 August 2021, 23:40:55 BST, C. Hess <cfh3media@gmail.com> wrote:

So helpful, thanks!

Last question.

When I create the project, do I need to set up for 4K or 1080?

Or are we talking two projects and sharing bins?

On Aug 9, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Roger via groups.io <rogershuff=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

One bin for each camera card. Select and transcode to a low resolution, then edit. When happy (are we ever?), duplicate sequence and select it. Re-open original camera bins and select all clips (even those you didn't use). On the selected (low-res) sequence, either right-click or Clip menu and choose Relink. Choose 'Relink to selected items in all open bins'. go for it. Grade and finish.

Chip Hess
CFH3 Media

Re: [Avid-L2] Uprez for Delivery

So helpful, thanks!

Last question.

When I create the project, do I need to set up for 4K or 1080?

Or are we talking two projects and sharing bins?

On Aug 9, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Roger via groups.io <rogershuff=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

One bin for each camera card. Select and transcode to a low resolution, then edit. When happy (are we ever?), duplicate sequence and select it. Re-open original camera bins and select all clips (even those you didn't use). On the selected (low-res) sequence, either right-click or Clip menu and choose Relink. Choose 'Relink to selected items in all open bins'. go for it. Grade and finish.

Chip Hess
CFH3 Media

Re: [Avid-L2] Uprez for Delivery

One bin for each camera card. Select and transcode to a low resolution, then edit. When happy (are we ever?), duplicate sequence and select it. Re-open original camera bins and select all clips (even those you didn't use). On the selected (low-res) sequence, either right-click or Clip menu and choose Relink. Choose 'Relink to selected items in all open bins'. go for it. Grade and finish.

With Best Wishes, Roger Shufflebottom +44 7973 543 660

On Monday, 9 August 2021, 18:08:14 BST, C. Hess <cfh3media@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all,

Need some advice. Been on Avid for some time, but a short project I picked up will be a new experience. This will be shot 4K, and will need to use "proxies", probably LT 1080. Editing in that format, but will need eventually to link back to the original 4K for delivery. Unless the offline editor does that for us. In any case I want to know the process. I'll be linking to cam files and transcoding.

Then edit.

I am guessing the AMA links to original files are what I will use to re-encode, to uprez and create the final 4K sequence. Have I got that right? Or is this a process at the sequence level? I may be making this more difficult than need be, but I do want some 1-2-3-4 etc. step guidance. I figure this is the place for it!

iMac 2014 27"

32GB RAM

Mojave

MC 2018.9

Thanks in advance.

  

Chip Hess
CFH3 Media

[Avid-L2] Uprez for Delivery

Hello all,

Need some advice. Been on Avid for some time, but a short project I picked up will be a new experience. This will be shot 4K, and will need to use "proxies", probably LT 1080. Editing in that format, but will need eventually to link back to the original 4K for delivery. Unless the offline editor does that for us. In any case I want to know the process. I'll be linking to cam files and transcoding.

Then edit.

I am guessing the AMA links to original files are what I will use to re-encode, to uprez and create the final 4K sequence. Have I got that right? Or is this a process at the sequence level? I may be making this more difficult than need be, but I do want some 1-2-3-4 etc. step guidance. I figure this is the place for it!

iMac 2014 27"

32GB RAM

Mojave

MC 2018.9

Thanks in advance.

  

Chip Hess
CFH3 Media