This IS the Avid L2: 2/16/14

Saturday, February 22, 2014

Re: [Avid-L2] Mac Gurus, please help

it'll show up there constantly, try excluding it from spotlight scan in prefs and i bet it will keep running- oh, also, those 500g drives from the junk drawer should be a clue to your problem ;) ...bad blocks...it probably wrote a part of a file, block went bad, drives error correction didnt work, and the os is too stupid to figure that out and spotlight is trying to index the bad file...

i'd say mystery solved! now throw those drives away and go buy some new drives greg!

cheers!

David C. Ballard

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From: Greg Huson <Greg@SecretHQ.com>
Reply-To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014 at 11:21 PM
To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Avid-L2] Mac Gurus, please help

also i've seen corrupt files bork SPOTLIGHT

Huh. Interesting. The last thing in console a couple of times WAS
mdworker. Coincidence? Maybe the console DID tell me something.
There's nothing important on the raid, it's just a work drive, and it's
made up of old 500gig drives from the junk drawer... so, I'll try making
a new one from other spares, and see what happens.

Cheaper than the $150 PSU off ebay. Especially if the PSU isn't the
problem!

Good news is Avid's still happily spinning along playing from the
terrablock - so at least it's operational.

-------------------------------------
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Chief
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www.SecretHQ.com
DigitalServiceStation.com

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Mac Gurus, please help
> From: "David C. Ballard" <dave@lab601.com>
> Date: Sat, February 22, 2014 8:13 pm
> To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: johnrobmoore <bigfish@pacbell.net>
>
>
> the verbose will show a bunch of crash text in the top corner when it crashes, kindof like a BSOD on windows.
>
> great that it's running, maybe you have bad blocks on any one of the internal raid drives hanging it. also i've seen corrupt files bork SPOTLIGHT if it's indexing it so maybe exclude the raid from spotlight and see what happens. i'd say its still not your PSU though.
>
> ones step at a time :)
>
> David C. Ballard
> President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
> LAB 601 Digital Post
> 404.876.4601
> www.lab601.com<http://www.lab601.com/>
>
> From: Greg Huson <Greg@SecretHQ.com<mailto:Greg@SecretHQ.com>>
> Reply-To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>>
> Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014 at 10:53 PM
> To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>>
> Cc: johnrobmoore <bigfish@pacbell.net<mailto:bigfish@pacbell.net>>
> Subject: RE: [Avid-L2] Mac Gurus, please help
>
>
>
> the verbose method is great until it's running - then I dunno what's
> happening.
>
> The console didn't really give me any clues - it's usually doing
> something different when it stalls, not the same thing every time. (Of
> course plenty of scary messages like 'invalid blah blah blah' and
> 'warning: blah blah' and 'SANDBOXED:' But, I gave up programming when I
> sold the TRS-80.)
>
> Without the RAID drives in, the system hasn't stalled for about 20
> minutes. So, John may be on to something! I'm going to connect back up
> to the terrablock let media composer play out something and see how long
> it runs before crashing. Hopefully we've found the issue.
>
> I guess I better ebay a new power supply - but I'll 'stress test' it
> first. The RAID is the same as it's been for probably 4-5 months, and
> this only started dying a few weeks ago.
>
> Thanks gurus!
>
> -------------------------------------
> Greg Huson
> Chief
> Greg (at) SecretHQ.com
> www.SecretHQ.com
> DigitalServiceStation.com
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Mac Gurus, please help
> > From: "David C. Ballard" <dave@lab601.com<mailto:dave@lab601.com>>
> > Date: Sat, February 22, 2014 7:14 pm
> > To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>>
> >
> >
> > maybe, but if it runs for a while in safe mode AND your raid volume is
> > online and mounted during that, probably not- even if it doesnt mount in
> > safe (i never tried) the drives are still spun up.
> >
> > David C. Ballard
> > President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
> > LAB 601 Digital Post
> > 404.876.4601
> > www.lab601.com <http://www.lab601.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/22/14, 10:06 PM, "Greg Huson" <Greg@SecretHQ.com<mailto:Greg@SecretHQ.com>> wrote:
> >
> > >Yep- tried a different GPU. I'll try the verbose method... John Moore
> > >just suggested (off list) pulling the internal RAID out, too - might be a
> > >dying power supply. Hadn't thought of that.
> > >
> > >See, you're gurus!
> > >
> > >gh
> > >----------------------------------------------------
> > >Greg Huson
> > >Secret Headquarters, Inc
> > >Post Production / Production
> > >Culver City, CA
> > >323 677 2092
> > >www.DigitalServiceStation.com
> > >greg (at) SecretHQ.com
> > >www.SecretHQ.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Feb 22, 2014, at 6:41 PM, David C. Ballard <dave@lab601.com<mailto:dave@lab601.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> greg, at this point the only thing i can think looks like you didnt
> > >>try- bad gpu (have you tried a different gpu?). other than that
> > >>something is probably wrong with a motherboard component, maybe the
> > >>apple intel power management system, lots of stuff doesnt get
> > >>initialized at safe boot like cpu and power management stuff.
> > >>
> > >> if a gpu swap doesnt work, find a used one somewhere, definitely not
> > >>worth your time- you've got much more important things to do!
> > >>
> > >> David C. Ballard
> > >>
> > >> President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
> > >> LAB 601 Digital Post
> > >> 404.876.4601
> > >> www.lab601.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> From: Greg Huson <Greg@SecretHQ.com<mailto:Greg@SecretHQ.com>>
> > >> Reply-To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>>
> > >> Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014 at 7:46 PM
> > >> To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>>
> > >> Subject: [Avid-L2] Mac Gurus, please help
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I'm still having the 'lock up' trouble with my MacPro 3,1 - essentially,
> > >> it runs for about 3 minutes, then rainbow pinwheels in perpetuity.
> > >>
> > >> It started doing this about two weeks ago- no known change in software
> > >> at that time. It does NOT do this in 'safe' mode, which makes me think
> > >> it's an OS or extension issue - but that doesn't seem right after
> > >> today's attempts to repair
> > >>
> > >> I've tried the following, with no change in outcome (it always stalls in
> > >> 2-3 minutes of operation when booted not in safe mode):
> > >> - deleting the most recently added kext files (there was only one from a
> > >> few weeks ago - everything else is months or older)
> > >> - creating a new user
> > >> - re-installing the OS
> > >> - creating a 'fresh' OS install on a different hard drive - booting from
> > >> that drive
> > >> - removing memory in pairs, booting with minimal memory and different
> > >> configurations
> > >> - booting from a 'known good' HD from another machine
> > >> - swapping in a 'known good' graphics card
> > >> - removing all PCIe cards except gpu (although they all work correctly
> > >> until the 'stall' happens
> > >>
> > >> and anything else I could think of and maybe haven't listed here.
> > >>
> > >> What am I missing? What else would cause this? Clock battery? It's a
> > >> macpro 3,1 that's an assistant's station and if it uses much more of my
> > >> time to repair, it may just have to be retired. I just don't want to
> > >> spend the cash to replace it right now!
> > >>
> > >> Any clues or suggestions appreciated.
> > >>
> > >> gh
> > >>
> > >> -------------------------------------
> > >> Greg Huson
> > >> Chief
> > >> Greg (at) SecretHQ.com
> > >> www.SecretHQ.com
> > >> DigitalServiceStation.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Avid-L2] Mac Gurus, please help

the verbose will show a bunch of crash text in the top corner when it crashes, kindof like a BSOD on windows.

great that it's running, maybe you have bad blocks on any one of the internal raid drives hanging it. also i've seen corrupt files bork SPOTLIGHT if it's indexing it so maybe exclude the raid from spotlight and see what happens. i'd say its still not your PSU though.

ones step at a time :)

David C. Ballard

President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
LAB 601 Digital Post
404.876.4601
www.lab601.com

From: Greg Huson <Greg@SecretHQ.com>
Reply-To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014 at 10:53 PM
To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: johnrobmoore <bigfish@pacbell.net>
Subject: RE: [Avid-L2] Mac Gurus, please help

the verbose method is great until it's running - then I dunno what's
happening.

The console didn't really give me any clues - it's usually doing
something different when it stalls, not the same thing every time. (Of
course plenty of scary messages like 'invalid blah blah blah' and
'warning: blah blah' and 'SANDBOXED:' But, I gave up programming when I
sold the TRS-80.)

Without the RAID drives in, the system hasn't stalled for about 20
minutes. So, John may be on to something! I'm going to connect back up
to the terrablock let media composer play out something and see how long
it runs before crashing. Hopefully we've found the issue.

I guess I better ebay a new power supply - but I'll 'stress test' it
first. The RAID is the same as it's been for probably 4-5 months, and
this only started dying a few weeks ago.

Thanks gurus!

-------------------------------------
Greg Huson
Chief
Greg (at) SecretHQ.com
www.SecretHQ.com
DigitalServiceStation.com

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Mac Gurus, please help
> From: "David C. Ballard" <dave@lab601.com>
> Date: Sat, February 22, 2014 7:14 pm
> To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
>
>
> maybe, but if it runs for a while in safe mode AND your raid volume is
> online and mounted during that, probably not- even if it doesnt mount in
> safe (i never tried) the drives are still spun up.
>
> David C. Ballard
> President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
> LAB 601 Digital Post
> 404.876.4601
> www.lab601.com <http://www.lab601.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/22/14, 10:06 PM, "Greg Huson" <Greg@SecretHQ.com> wrote:
>
> >Yep- tried a different GPU. I'll try the verbose method... John Moore
> >just suggested (off list) pulling the internal RAID out, too - might be a
> >dying power supply. Hadn't thought of that.
> >
> >See, you're gurus!
> >
> >gh
> >----------------------------------------------------
> >Greg Huson
> >Secret Headquarters, Inc
> >Post Production / Production
> >Culver City, CA
> >323 677 2092
> >www.DigitalServiceStation.com
> >greg (at) SecretHQ.com
> >www.SecretHQ.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Feb 22, 2014, at 6:41 PM, David C. Ballard <dave@lab601.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> greg, at this point the only thing i can think looks like you didnt
> >>try- bad gpu (have you tried a different gpu?). other than that
> >>something is probably wrong with a motherboard component, maybe the
> >>apple intel power management system, lots of stuff doesnt get
> >>initialized at safe boot like cpu and power management stuff.
> >>
> >> if a gpu swap doesnt work, find a used one somewhere, definitely not
> >>worth your time- you've got much more important things to do!
> >>
> >> David C. Ballard
> >>
> >> President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
> >> LAB 601 Digital Post
> >> 404.876.4601
> >> www.lab601.com
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Greg Huson <Greg@SecretHQ.com>
> >> Reply-To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014 at 7:46 PM
> >> To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Subject: [Avid-L2] Mac Gurus, please help
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm still having the 'lock up' trouble with my MacPro 3,1 - essentially,
> >> it runs for about 3 minutes, then rainbow pinwheels in perpetuity.
> >>
> >> It started doing this about two weeks ago- no known change in software
> >> at that time. It does NOT do this in 'safe' mode, which makes me think
> >> it's an OS or extension issue - but that doesn't seem right after
> >> today's attempts to repair
> >>
> >> I've tried the following, with no change in outcome (it always stalls in
> >> 2-3 minutes of operation when booted not in safe mode):
> >> - deleting the most recently added kext files (there was only one from a
> >> few weeks ago - everything else is months or older)
> >> - creating a new user
> >> - re-installing the OS
> >> - creating a 'fresh' OS install on a different hard drive - booting from
> >> that drive
> >> - removing memory in pairs, booting with minimal memory and different
> >> configurations
> >> - booting from a 'known good' HD from another machine
> >> - swapping in a 'known good' graphics card
> >> - removing all PCIe cards except gpu (although they all work correctly
> >> until the 'stall' happens
> >>
> >> and anything else I could think of and maybe haven't listed here.
> >>
> >> What am I missing? What else would cause this? Clock battery? It's a
> >> macpro 3,1 that's an assistant's station and if it uses much more of my
> >> time to repair, it may just have to be retired. I just don't want to
> >> spend the cash to replace it right now!
> >>
> >> Any clues or suggestions appreciated.
> >>
> >> gh
> >>
> >> -------------------------------------
> >> Greg Huson
> >> Chief
> >> Greg (at) SecretHQ.com
> >> www.SecretHQ.com
> >> DigitalServiceStation.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: [Avid-L2] Mac Gurus, please help

maybe, but if it runs for a while in safe mode AND your raid volume is
online and mounted during that, probably not- even if it doesnt mount in
safe (i never tried) the drives are still spun up.

David C. Ballard
President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
LAB 601 Digital Post
404.876.4601
www.lab601.com <http://www.lab601.com/>

On 2/22/14, 10:06 PM, "Greg Huson" <Greg@SecretHQ.com> wrote:

>Yep- tried a different GPU. I'll try the verbose method... John Moore
>just suggested (off list) pulling the internal RAID out, too - might be a
>dying power supply. Hadn't thought of that.
>
>See, you're gurus!
>
>gh
>----------------------------------------------------
>Greg Huson
>Secret Headquarters, Inc
>Post Production / Production
>Culver City, CA
>323 677 2092
>www.DigitalServiceStation.com
>greg (at) SecretHQ.com
>www.SecretHQ.com
>
>
>
>
>On Feb 22, 2014, at 6:41 PM, David C. Ballard <dave@lab601.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> greg, at this point the only thing i can think looks like you didnt
>>try- bad gpu (have you tried a different gpu?). other than that
>>something is probably wrong with a motherboard component, maybe the
>>apple intel power management system, lots of stuff doesnt get
>>initialized at safe boot like cpu and power management stuff.
>>
>> if a gpu swap doesnt work, find a used one somewhere, definitely not
>>worth your time- you've got much more important things to do!
>>
>> David C. Ballard
>>
>> President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
>> LAB 601 Digital Post
>> 404.876.4601
>> www.lab601.com
>>
>>
>> From: Greg Huson <Greg@SecretHQ.com>
>> Reply-To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014 at 7:46 PM
>> To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: [Avid-L2] Mac Gurus, please help
>>
>>
>> I'm still having the 'lock up' trouble with my MacPro 3,1 - essentially,
>> it runs for about 3 minutes, then rainbow pinwheels in perpetuity.
>>
>> It started doing this about two weeks ago- no known change in software
>> at that time. It does NOT do this in 'safe' mode, which makes me think
>> it's an OS or extension issue - but that doesn't seem right after
>> today's attempts to repair
>>
>> I've tried the following, with no change in outcome (it always stalls in
>> 2-3 minutes of operation when booted not in safe mode):
>> - deleting the most recently added kext files (there was only one from a
>> few weeks ago - everything else is months or older)
>> - creating a new user
>> - re-installing the OS
>> - creating a 'fresh' OS install on a different hard drive - booting from
>> that drive
>> - removing memory in pairs, booting with minimal memory and different
>> configurations
>> - booting from a 'known good' HD from another machine
>> - swapping in a 'known good' graphics card
>> - removing all PCIe cards except gpu (although they all work correctly
>> until the 'stall' happens
>>
>> and anything else I could think of and maybe haven't listed here.
>>
>> What am I missing? What else would cause this? Clock battery? It's a
>> macpro 3,1 that's an assistant's station and if it uses much more of my
>> time to repair, it may just have to be retired. I just don't want to
>> spend the cash to replace it right now!
>>
>> Any clues or suggestions appreciated.
>>
>> gh
>>
>> -------------------------------------
>> Greg Huson
>> Chief
>> Greg (at) SecretHQ.com
>> www.SecretHQ.com
>> DigitalServiceStation.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Mac Gurus, please help

Yep- tried a different GPU. I'll try the verbose method... John Moore just suggested (off list) pulling the internal RAID out, too - might be a dying power supply. Hadn't thought of that.

See, you're gurus!

gh
----------------------------------------------------
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Secret Headquarters, Inc
Post Production / Production
Culver City, CA
323 677 2092
www.DigitalServiceStation.com
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On Feb 22, 2014, at 6:41 PM, David C. Ballard <dave@lab601.com> wrote:

>
> greg, at this point the only thing i can think looks like you didnt try- bad gpu (have you tried a different gpu?). other than that something is probably wrong with a motherboard component, maybe the apple intel power management system, lots of stuff doesnt get initialized at safe boot like cpu and power management stuff.
>
> if a gpu swap doesnt work, find a used one somewhere, definitely not worth your time- you've got much more important things to do!
>
> David C. Ballard
>
> President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
> LAB 601 Digital Post
> 404.876.4601
> www.lab601.com
>
>
> From: Greg Huson <Greg@SecretHQ.com>
> Reply-To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014 at 7:46 PM
> To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Mac Gurus, please help
>
>
> I'm still having the 'lock up' trouble with my MacPro 3,1 - essentially,
> it runs for about 3 minutes, then rainbow pinwheels in perpetuity.
>
> It started doing this about two weeks ago- no known change in software
> at that time. It does NOT do this in 'safe' mode, which makes me think
> it's an OS or extension issue - but that doesn't seem right after
> today's attempts to repair
>
> I've tried the following, with no change in outcome (it always stalls in
> 2-3 minutes of operation when booted not in safe mode):
> - deleting the most recently added kext files (there was only one from a
> few weeks ago - everything else is months or older)
> - creating a new user
> - re-installing the OS
> - creating a 'fresh' OS install on a different hard drive - booting from
> that drive
> - removing memory in pairs, booting with minimal memory and different
> configurations
> - booting from a 'known good' HD from another machine
> - swapping in a 'known good' graphics card
> - removing all PCIe cards except gpu (although they all work correctly
> until the 'stall' happens
>
> and anything else I could think of and maybe haven't listed here.
>
> What am I missing? What else would cause this? Clock battery? It's a
> macpro 3,1 that's an assistant's station and if it uses much more of my
> time to repair, it may just have to be retired. I just don't want to
> spend the cash to replace it right now!
>
> Any clues or suggestions appreciated.
>
> gh
>
> -------------------------------------
> Greg Huson
> Chief
> Greg (at) SecretHQ.com
> www.SecretHQ.com
> DigitalServiceStation.com
>
>
>

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Re: [Avid-L2] Mac Gurus, please help

oh, also boot into verbose mode (you'll have to look it up) and when it panics you should see a clue what it was doing when it crashes. it'll say something like kernel panic bla bla bla backtrace and something there i think.

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From: David Ballard <dave@lab601.com>
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Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014 at 9:41 PM
To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Mac Gurus, please help

greg, at this point the only thing i can think looks like you didnt try- bad gpu (have you tried a different gpu?). other than that something is probably wrong with a motherboard component, maybe the apple intel power management system, lots of stuff doesnt get initialized at safe boot like cpu and power management stuff.

if a gpu swap doesnt work, find a used one somewhere, definitely not worth your time- you've got much more important things to do!

David C. Ballard

President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
LAB 601 Digital Post
404.876.4601
www.lab601.com

From: Greg Huson <Greg@SecretHQ.com>
Reply-To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014 at 7:46 PM
To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Avid-L2] Mac Gurus, please help

I'm still having the 'lock up' trouble with my MacPro 3,1 - essentially,
it runs for about 3 minutes, then rainbow pinwheels in perpetuity.

It started doing this about two weeks ago- no known change in software
at that time. It does NOT do this in 'safe' mode, which makes me think
it's an OS or extension issue - but that doesn't seem right after
today's attempts to repair

I've tried the following, with no change in outcome (it always stalls in
2-3 minutes of operation when booted not in safe mode):
- deleting the most recently added kext files (there was only one from a
few weeks ago - everything else is months or older)
- creating a new user
- re-installing the OS
- creating a 'fresh' OS install on a different hard drive - booting from
that drive
- removing memory in pairs, booting with minimal memory and different
configurations
- booting from a 'known good' HD from another machine
- swapping in a 'known good' graphics card
- removing all PCIe cards except gpu (although they all work correctly
until the 'stall' happens

and anything else I could think of and maybe haven't listed here.

What am I missing? What else would cause this? Clock battery? It's a
macpro 3,1 that's an assistant's station and if it uses much more of my
time to repair, it may just have to be retired. I just don't want to
spend the cash to replace it right now!

Any clues or suggestions appreciated.

gh

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Greg Huson
Chief
Greg (at) SecretHQ.com
www.SecretHQ.com
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