Saturday, April 20, 2013

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: OT:archive family movies

they were about 60 before the tsunami, rose to 160 and have been dropping down since. i've been using the seagate ones

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I did a quick google for 2TB raw Hard Drives on Amazon and the cheapest I see is around $90.00 for a Western Digital. Am I missing something in my search?

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>
> terry, i could build you one of these. http://lab601.com/services/lab-storage-pod/ what we use for spinning disk backup- always online and accessible, can use it as a media center server, webserver for family and friends to upload to also. you can edit off it. use enrgy saving drives and low power states if you dont want to spend much on power for it. with 2tb drives its 90tb each. if a drive fails, it keeps running just order $60 drive from amazon and jam it in with no downtime.
>
> David C. Ballard
> President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
> LAB 601 Digital Post
> 404.876.4601
> www.lab601.com<http://www.lab601.com/>
>
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> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: OT:archive family movies
>
>
>
> It's better than hard drives. Maybe BluRays? I am trying to figure out what to do with all these myself. I have far too much material for the cost of cloud storage.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, George Loch <george@> wrote:
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> "So, are we saying that anyone who wants to preserve their home movies should have an LTO tape drive?"
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] XDCam EX Workflow nightmare

 

I guess it begs the question...

What happens if you render the video effects and do the export? If its
simple color correction, how long could that possibly take on a short
sequence? 5 minutes? Probably less.

On Friday, April 19, 2013, Roger wrote:

> From my experience, I'd say that most varieties of XDCAM work well with
> AMA even on a moderately specced computer. Keep everything organised by
> bins if you need to. You can do straightforward cuts without any
> transcoding, then mixdown amd export SAS. Let a dedicated compression
> program do the final work.
>
> On 19 Apr 2013, at 21:07, Mark Myers wrote:
>
> > The re-rewapp to MXF makes it a little easier, because then all the
> > files are in one place, and you don't need to link to multiple
> > directories. It's also a bit more stable.
> >
> > Actually never tried the "same as source." Duh...... must be 20 years
> > of CRT radiation.....
> >
> > Thanks
> > Mark
> >
> > Owner, Director
> > SR Film & Video Productions
> > 195 W Broad St
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> > Twitter <http://twitter.com/SRProductions>
> > On 4/19/2013 3:36 PM, Roger wrote:
> > > Rewrapped? Imported? AMA directly from the EX files is easier. Do you
> have any other software to create the YouTube file? Compressor? Adobe Media
> Encoder? Anyhow, do a video mixdown, export as Same as Source and pop that
> file inot Squeeze or whatever - should be a lot faster.
> > >
> > > On 19 Apr 2013, at 20:27, Mark Myers wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'm hoping someone can point me to a flaw in my workflow here - --
> > >>
> > >> Shot a seminar yesterday. XDCam EX. 2 cameras.
> > >>
> > >> I re-wrapped the MPEG2 files to MXF using the Sony software, and
> > >> imported the MXF into Avid. Overnight, I transcoded everything to
> > >> DNxHD. Today I cut one 16 minute segment - I have 4 more to go. It's a
> > >> really really basic edit, with color correction applied to match the
> > >> cameras. When I try to export to Sorenzen to encode for YouTube, it
> > >> tells me that the export will take 13 hours because I have to render
> the
> > >> video effects.
> > >>
> > >> If I were doing this in Premiere, I would already be working on my
> next
> > >> little sequence and finished up by 5pm, and headed for happy hour, but
> > >> at this rate, I'll be working all weekend. I MUST be doing something
> > >> wrong. Can anyone offer any pointers?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Mark
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[Avid-L2] Re: OT:archive family movies

 

I did a quick google for 2TB raw Hard Drives on Amazon and the cheapest I see is around $90.00 for a Western Digital. Am I missing something in my search?

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "David C. Ballard" <dave@...> wrote:
>
> terry, i could build you one of these. http://lab601.com/services/lab-storage-pod/ what we use for spinning disk backup- always online and accessible, can use it as a media center server, webserver for family and friends to upload to also. you can edit off it. use enrgy saving drives and low power states if you dont want to spend much on power for it. with 2tb drives its 90tb each. if a drive fails, it keeps running just order $60 drive from amazon and jam it in with no downtime.
>
> David C. Ballard
> President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
> LAB 601 Digital Post
> 404.876.4601
> www.lab601.com<http://www.lab601.com/>
>
> From: Terence Curren <tcurren@...<mailto:tcurren@...>>
> Reply-To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>>
> Date: Saturday, April 20, 2013 8:50 AM
> To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>>
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: OT:archive family movies
>
>
>
> It's better than hard drives. Maybe BluRays? I am trying to figure out what to do with all these myself. I have far too much material for the cost of cloud storage.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, George Loch <george@> wrote:
>
> "So, are we saying that anyone who wants to preserve their home movies should have an LTO tape drive?"
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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[Avid-L2] Re: Trying to fix damaged P2 file?

 

That's been suggested but we don't have the original P2 Card to try this with. Is there some means by which I could take the drive and back load it to a P2 Card if I had access to a camera? According to one tech at Imagine who make P2 Log Pro I should try proxymill but that errored out on every clip in the volume when all the other clips seem to play nice. I did take the problem file and have P2 Log Pro rebuild the xml but the video errors still occur. It's frustrating that one program will play parts of the clip and another program plays the other parts of the clip. If only I could export out the working sections from P2 Log Pro but that doesn't seem to be a feature I've found. I only see an export to fcp xml.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Young <jymedia.com@...> wrote:
>
> John Moore said:
>
> > Okay I finally got the closest to original P2 files to see if they work but
> > alas they show the same error.
>
> Maybe a Panasonic camera can fix this bad clip that you have?
>
> The following anecdote may or may not be helpful.
>
> Earlier this week, I had take 7 of 12 on a P2 card not transfer.
>
> Avid would not load this DVCPROHD clip via AMA, nor would Panasonic P2
> Viewer play it. When I looked at the file on the drive in Windows Explorer,
> the file size was only 32 KB.
>
> The P2 card had not been recycled yet; so, I got it back from the camera
> operator.
>
> (The camera operator confirmed that there had been a loss of AC power to the
> camera on set. Presumably he had not stopped rolling on take 7 at the
> time.)
>
> When viewed in Windows Explorer, the file on the P2 card was also 32 KB.
>
>
> Then, we put the card in a HVX200 camera -- not even the one that recorded
> it, which was a HPX500 -- and take 7 had a red X instead of an image
> thumbnail.
>
> Using the camera, I was able to repair the clip. I believe that the menu
> item was Operation > Repair Clip.
>
> After the operation, a thumbnail came back, and the clip played.
>
>
> Good luck!
>
> -Jeff
>

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[Avid-L2] Re: AAF from PT back into MC

 

Well when I get an aaf embedded there are tape names to the stems that come from the project name in Pro Tools, not the original source tape names because I get mixed down stems, or rerecorded stems if that is the term in Pro Tools.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "oliverpetersvidy" <oliverpeters@...> wrote:
>
> > johnrobmoore wrote:
> > Out of curiosity are the tape names of your linked stems all identical
>
> Right now this is just a test to see if it works. I'm not doing the edit, just helping "proof" it for the mixer. This is for a music production where the intent is to edit the audio first and picture second. My guess is the workflow would be PT (edit/rough mix) -> MC (picture edit) -> PT (final mix/sweetening) -> MC (conform/output). The audio would be double-system with the tracks recorded into a multi-channel PT set-up. There are no tape names in the Tape column.
>
> - Oliver
>

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: OT:archive family movies

not sure, we price them by the current price of drives which is the big variable. we're using 2tb drives because of their inexpensive cost. you can start with 18tb(9drives) and add them in 18tb to fill up (if you want one huge volume), dont quote me but our cost is about 7k each for full 90tb with just gigE interfaces (that you can LAGG), then we just add a build fee on that. it's way better than raid 5/6 because it's 2parity zfs (doesn't accumulate data-rot), and way better than a drobo or synology and their proprietary hybrid format (if it fails you are screwed). it's for technically minded people though. we set them up but its up to you to administrate it from there. that's why it doesnt cost 135k like a barracuda backup server of the same size.

David C. Ballard
President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
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Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: OT:archive family movies



What would such a beast set me back?

On 20 apr. 2013, at 21:53, "David C. Ballard" <dave@lab601.com<mailto:dave%40lab601.com>> wrote:

> terry, i could build you one of these. http://lab601.com/services/lab-storage-pod/ what we use for spinning disk backup- always online and accessible





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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: OT:archive family movies

 


What would such a beast set me back?

On 20 apr. 2013, at 21:53, "David C. Ballard" <dave@lab601.com> wrote:

> terry, i could build you one of these. http://lab601.com/services/lab-storage-pod/ what we use for spinning disk backup- always online and accessible

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: OT:archive family movies

terry, i could build you one of these. http://lab601.com/services/lab-storage-pod/ what we use for spinning disk backup- always online and accessible, can use it as a media center server, webserver for family and friends to upload to also. you can edit off it. use enrgy saving drives and low power states if you dont want to spend much on power for it. with 2tb drives its 90tb each. if a drive fails, it keeps running just order $60 drive from amazon and jam it in with no downtime.

David C. Ballard
President & Creative Director | LAB 601, Inc.
LAB 601 Digital Post
404.876.4601
www.lab601.com<http://www.lab601.com/>

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Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: OT:archive family movies



It's better than hard drives. Maybe BluRays? I am trying to figure out what to do with all these myself. I have far too much material for the cost of cloud storage.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, George Loch <george@...> wrote:

"So, are we saying that anyone who wants to preserve their home movies should have an LTO tape drive?"





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[Avid-L2] Re: OT:archive family movies

 

That is what I am currently doing. I am using the Drobo product based on Steve Hullfish' recommendation. <<http://www.drobo.com/products/>>

But this is not a fail safe approach. And no hard drives are a good long term archiving solution. :-(

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Rupert Watson" <rupert@...> wrote:
>
> What about RAID 6 hard drives?
>
>
>
> I use one of these little badgers - http://tinyurl.com/75awma2 - for
> home use. (and one of these - http://tinyurl.com/ck6b7rs - at work!)
>
>
>
> I cannot quite see me using LTO at home yet, but I guess if I Ididn't
> hate LTFS so much I might give it try.
>
>
>
> Rupert Watson
>
> +44 7787 554 801
>
> www.root6.com
>
>
>
> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Terence Curren
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>
>
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>
>
> It's better than hard drives. Maybe BluRays? I am trying to figure out
> what to do with all these myself. I have far too much material for the
> cost of cloud storage.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com> ,
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Re: [Avid-L2] Trying to fix damaged P2 file?

 

John Moore said:

> Okay I finally got the closest to original P2 files to see if they work but
> alas they show the same error.

Maybe a Panasonic camera can fix this bad clip that you have?

The following anecdote may or may not be helpful.

Earlier this week, I had take 7 of 12 on a P2 card not transfer.

Avid would not load this DVCPROHD clip via AMA, nor would Panasonic P2
Viewer play it. When I looked at the file on the drive in Windows Explorer,
the file size was only 32 KB.

The P2 card had not been recycled yet; so, I got it back from the camera
operator.

(The camera operator confirmed that there had been a loss of AC power to the
camera on set. Presumably he had not stopped rolling on take 7 at the
time.)

When viewed in Windows Explorer, the file on the P2 card was also 32 KB.

Then, we put the card in a HVX200 camera -- not even the one that recorded
it, which was a HPX500 -- and take 7 had a red X instead of an image
thumbnail.

Using the camera, I was able to repair the clip. I believe that the menu
item was Operation > Repair Clip.

After the operation, a thumbnail came back, and the clip played.

Good luck!

-Jeff

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