Saturday, July 19, 2014

[Avid-L2] Heads Up on Version 8 dongle upgrade

 

When I missed the 15 day window to upgrade to Ver. 7 with the ability to upgrade to V. 8 when it came out the next suggestion was just get a support contract for the year and I could run V. 7.  I didn't read all the notes, which clearly list what you can run with a V. 8 dongle.  To my surprise my V. 8 blasted dongle will only run MC with symphony option V7 and symphony V 6.5.X.  Again this is clearly listed in the read me but I had assumed like always a dongle would be backward compatible to earlier versions without any issues like the software activation has with the change in activation code structure between 5.5 and 6.0.  If I need to run earlier than V.6.5 Avid will give me a temporary code which is great but I'm curious what the logic behind this is.  My understanding is the bins from Ver 7 are compatible to the latest version of Ver 5.5 and above.  I would assume, here I go again, that the same applies to Ver. 8 bins but I've got to confirm this.

I guess I don't understand why, after paying the support contract money, I should lose the ability to run back to 5.5.x where bin compatibility seems to end.  I've paid the money to help Avid stay in business why are they taking away a long standing ability to run previous versions?  I get that moving forward they don't want to be handicapped by having to make bins etc... backwards compatible but if I want to run 5.5.x why not let my V. 8 dongle work with it like a V 7 dongle does?  Many places I work haven't been eager to purchase BCC 8 or higher so they are still running V 5.5.  Now my advice to them is to get the support contract for $299.00/year by the end of the year but not to blast their dongles until they need to jump to the 64 bit world.  For me dongles have been a no brainer even paying the additional $300 and now $500 for them made sense because I didn't have to keep track of the software activation codes once the dongle was blasted.  Now the "My Products" page does this but the simplicity of  having my dongle as a universal key to Avids of all versions is something I appreciated in the past.

Can someone enlighten me on why this restriction has been placed on Ver. 8 dongles and also the software activations?
 
John Moore
Barking Trout Productions
Studio City, CA
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[Avid-L2] Re: AMA Relink Question

 

Excellent advice. This works for me. If there are problems re-linking, chances are good that it is a spanned clip.

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[Avid-L2] Re: AMA Relink Question

 

No need to trash the .new clips and relink the original AMA clips. They both hold the same metadata. It works but there's no need.
My trick is to take the transcoded avid mediafiles offline temporarily while you do the relink to selected open bins.
Do a guide mixdown of video first and work on a video only copy of sequence.  No point relinking audio as the transcoded audio is fine.
The VET course I run Avid Media Management www.vet.co.uk/training covers all that and more :-)

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Friday, July 18, 2014

Re: [Avid-L2] AMA Relink Question

 



Thank you Michael,
It's very helpful to know that you've had success with that.
Thanks again.
Cheers,
Benjamin



On Jul 18, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Michael Hancock mhancockeditor@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

To relink a sequence:

AMA Red footage.  Transcode.  Keep the original AMA footage in a bin - put the transcodes in another bin (or organized in several bins).  

Edit and lock your cut.

Open AMA bin and sequence bin.  Duplicate sequence. Select all AMA footage.  Select Sequence.  Choose to relink and in the relink option choose "Relink to selected items in all open bins". Hit OK.

It should relink the sequence to the AMA footage.

I've done this workflow and it worked with Red footage.

Michael


On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Benjamin Hershleder Ben@ContactBen.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 



Hi gang,

I'm wondering how it's possible (what the steps are) in order to do the following:

1. AMA link to a file (e.g. RED) <--- that I know how to do ;)

2. Consolidate/Transcode the clip in MC (yep, I can do that too) 
-- OR -- Transcode the clip in Red Cine X (I assume the resulting Master Clip is the same as if created in MC).

3. Relink the clip that was Consol-/Transcoded to the original RED file <---- haaalp ;)


This workflow is supposed to be possible with a Sequence too, correct?

Thanks for any guidance or links to info on this.

Happy Friday everyone!

Benjamin










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Re: [Avid-L2] AMA Relink Question

 



Danke!
Very well explained too.
I'll be testing this (at some point, when my schedule lightens).
I'll report back too.

Thanks again,

B


On Jul 18, 2014, at 5:27 PM, bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

The method the AEs in the know tell me is to ama link to the clips and then transcode to a desired offline resolution.  This creates ".new" transcoded clips.  At this point you can trash the ".new" clips and go to the original ama bin of clips and relink those clips to the newly transcoded media.  This approach should not include adding a Tape Name.  I'm told for online then you remount the original source clips ama and things should link up.  I think there are always a few burps along the way but I'm told this is the most solid overall workflow.  YMMV

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Re: [Avid-L2] AMA Relink Question

 

The method the AEs in the know tell me is to ama link to the clips and then transcode to a desired offline resolution.  This creates ".new" transcoded clips.  At this point you can trash the ".new" clips and go to the original ama bin of clips and relink those clips to the newly transcoded media.  This approach should not include adding a Tape Name.  I'm told for online then you remount the original source clips ama and things should link up.  I think there are always a few burps along the way but I'm told this is the most solid overall workflow.  YMMV

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Re: [Avid-L2] AMA Relink Question

 

It might be helpful to add a step, which would be to close all bins other than those holding your sequence and the original AMA clips.

Otherwise you might have a bin open with transcoded media selected in it that potentially would be included in the 'relink to selected items in all open bins' dragnet.   This may be one reason why relinking only works sometimes.

Cheers,
--Michael

On 2014-07-18, 1:52 PM, Roger Shufflebottom rogershuff@yahoo.co.uk [Avid-L2] wrote:
 
We are meant to be asking YOU the questions.

My way - AMA all original clips. Do not move or rename any source folders. Transcode selects. Edit. When done, dupe sequence and select it, open all bins with original AMA clips. Select all. Use the relink option 'Relink to selected items in all open bins. Cross fingers. Somtimes works.

 With best wishes,
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On 18 Jul 2014, at 19:05, "Benjamin Hershleder Ben@ContactBen.com [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 



Hi gang,

I'm wondering how it's possible (what the steps are) in order to do the following:

1. AMA link to a file (e.g. RED) <--- that I know how to do ;)

2. Consolidate/Transcode the clip in MC (yep, I can do that too) 
-- OR -- Transcode the clip in Red Cine X (I assume the resulting Master Clip is the same as if created in MC).

3. Relink the clip that was Consol-/Transcoded to the original RED file <---- haaalp ;)


This workflow is supposed to be possible with a Sequence too, correct?

Thanks for any guidance or links to info on this.

Happy Friday everyone!

Benjamin








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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: AMA Relink Question

 



THANKS Scott!

Have a great weekend!

B


On Jul 18, 2014, at 11:56 AM, "scott_freeman_avid@yahoo.com [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Any third party program that creates Avid MXF media files, as far as I can tell Avid sells them an avid media toolkit (AMT). From what I can tell when a third party program creates Avid MXF media files, these files have embedded tape name metadata support and not "source file" metadata embedded.


If you want to relink you Avid sequence to these MXF media files created by a third party, I created an Avid workflow that goes into great detail on how to relink in the Avid for this type of situation.

Unbreakable Conform for Avid Symphony & DaVinci Resolve : AVID
 


If you are going to use the Avid to create the MXF media files (using consolidate/transcode command) then you can also use this method where I just set-up a custom column where I create the metadata match for relinking.

I hope this is helpful

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On Jul 18, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Roger Shufflebottom rogershuff@yahoo.co.uk [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

We are meant to be asking YOU the questions.


----- What buttons to push when and how . . . I'm comfortable.
General/Overview workflow . . . I'm comfortable.
Specific workflow . . . Unless I've done it myself and worked out the kinks, I need help ;)

----- Thanks for your info Roger, I'll be passing it along.
Once again you come to the rescue! Thanks Sir!

Cheers,

B


My way - AMA all original clips. Do not move or rename any source folders. Transcode selects. Edit. When done, dupe sequence and select it, open all bins with original AMA clips. Select all. Use the relink option 'Relink to selected items in all open bins. Cross fingers. Somtimes works.

 With best wishes,
Roger Shufflebottom
+44 7973 543660

On 18 Jul 2014, at 19:05, "Benjamin Hershleder Ben@ContactBen.com [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 



Hi gang,

I'm wondering how it's possible (what the steps are) in order to do the following:

1. AMA link to a file (e.g. RED) <--- that I know how to do ;)

2. Consolidate/Transcode the clip in MC (yep, I can do that too) 
-- OR -- Transcode the clip in Red Cine X (I assume the resulting Master Clip is the same as if created in MC).

3. Relink the clip that was Consol-/Transcoded to the original RED file <---- haaalp ;)


This workflow is supposed to be possible with a Sequence too, correct?

Thanks for any guidance or links to info on this.

Happy Friday everyone!

Benjamin











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