I am a big fan of the track effects.
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I am a big fan of the track effects.
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Nice succinct description, Dave.
I am a big fan of the track effects. I usually put a compressor/limiter on my narration and dialogue tracks, and it allows me to adjust overall levels of clips to within a few db, and it smooths them out to a uniform level. Use sparingly to avoid pumping effect and excessive noise. A rule of thumb I learned long ago was to tend more towards a top end limiter, and never push more gain change than 6 or 7 db. It really evens out dialogue and narration and often makes it more legible.Use of Reverb for ring out, and to liven up a close recorded voice over track also works way better as a track effect and is much easier than using audiosuite plugins which have to be rendered.Dave HoganBurbank, CAOn Friday, January 2, 2015 10:47 AM, "Jon Wilkman jon@wilkman.com [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Lesson learned. Thanks for the info. I was looking for a shortcut to tame wildly uneven levels, and have already made major progress on a standard mix. I'm glad Zelin is less evident on the site these days. He would have taken my head off (and I know him personally).
Jon
On 1/2/2015 9:21 AM, 'Job ter Burg (L2B)' Job_L2@terburg.com [Avid-L2] wrote:
Like a simple cough, or someone closing a door, or a tiny click. Normalize is not a mixing tool.
On 2 jan. 2015, at 00:09, Mark Spano cutandcover@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
It's worth analyzing your clip to see if there is any point where there's a peak that is significantly higher than the majority of the rest of the clip
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Like a simple cough, or someone closing a door, or a tiny click. Normalize is not a mixing tool.
On 2 jan. 2015, at 00:09, Mark Spano cutandcover@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
It's worth analyzing your clip to see if there is any point where there's a peak that is significantly higher than the majority of the rest of the clip
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Lesson learned. Thanks for the info. I was looking for a shortcut to tame wildly uneven levels, and have already made major progress on a standard mix. I'm glad Zelin is less evident on the site these days. He would have taken my head off (and I know him personally).
Jon
Like a simple cough, or someone closing a door, or a tiny click. Normalize is not a mixing tool.
On 2 jan. 2015, at 00:09, Mark Spano cutandcover@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
It's worth analyzing your clip to see if there is any point where there's a peak that is significantly higher than the majority of the rest of the clip
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It's worth analyzing your clip to see if there is any point where there's a peak that is significantly higher than the majority of the rest of the clip
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Normalising is a crude tool and no substitute for real mixing.
You need your dialogue levels to be within an audio level range that still leaves enough gain for high levels like effects or music.
It's all about mixing and balancing.
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I understand. I'm sure part of it is also the security, since the Mbox line acted as dongles for Pro Tools.
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Ah ha! The gain PLUGIN! I was just using the gain faders on the audio mixer. Thank you. Thank you.
Jon
Hi Jon,When you say "just raising the gain didn't get me much compared to what normalize does", to me, this is nearly impossible. Consider that the Normalize plugin will adjust gain relative to the highest sample in your clip. Assuming the highest sample in your clip is probably within the range of -50 to -5 dBFs, the Normalization plugin is applying a gain change in the range of +5 to +50 dBFs. While +50 dBFs is huge, you'll find that the Gain plugin can apply up to +96 dBFs, way more than you could possibly need. Again, I'm not referring to the faders in the mixer, I'm comparing AudioSuite plugins. Use the Gain plugin rather than the Normalize plugin, and you should be set.
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Hi Mark, and a special Happy New Year. You may be right that I'm not understanding the normalize process. I'm not really a technician. I marked the tracks for the entire program and normalized in and out. Overall, that lifted the audio levels to max, which is fine. Since many were recorded too low, just raising the gain didn't get me much compared to what normalize does. Are you saying I need to treat "unnormalized" clip separately? In most cases the non-normalized clips are too low compared to the rest of the segment, even from the same interview. A few are noticeably higher, again from the same interview, excerpted from only a few seconds apart. Is there a way to adjust the normalization clip by clip, rather than reverting to gain, which doesn't produce a high enough audio level?
Again, I appreciate your prompt and helpful response.
Jon
Are you sure you're using the tools correctly? Normalilze is a gain change to set the highest peak in a clip to a set level. That means that if your clip has a single sample at -0.1 dBFs, and you want to normalize the clip to 0 dBFs, you will effectively be changing the gain by +0.1 dBFs. It's worth analyzing your clip to see if there is any point where there's a peak that is significantly higher than the majority of the rest of the clip. Then you can see why normalizing isn't going to do anything.It seems you may really just be in the market for a gain change. The gain change will increase the level of the clip by the amount you set. If there is a portion where audio clips at 0 dBFs, well, that portion is toast anyway, so adding more gain to it isn't likely to hurt since you probably aren't using that spot anyway.
On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Jon Wilkman jon@wilkman.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I'm finishing a one-hour documentary as a personal favor for a friend.
A major component of the project are interviews, with varying audio
levels. I've normalized all the edited audio clips and that seems to
work, expect for a few exceptions, when the levels are ignored. In some
cases, these are clips from the same interview that was successfully
normalized elsewhere. I've tried re-rendering and even re-normalizing
the segment where the levels change, with no success. Does anyone have
any suggestions of how to correct non-normalized clips in an otherwise
normalized sequence? I'm thinking the problem may come from trying to
do an entire hour at a time. Would splitting it into smaller segments
(e.g. 20 minutes) help. MC 7.03.
Happy New Year!
Jon
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I'm finishing a one-hour documentary as a personal favor for a friend.
A major component of the project are interviews, with varying audio
levels. I've normalized all the edited audio clips and that seems to
work, expect for a few exceptions, when the levels are ignored. In some
cases, these are clips from the same interview that was successfully
normalized elsewhere. I've tried re-rendering and even re-normalizing
the segment where the levels change, with no success. Does anyone have
any suggestions of how to correct non-normalized clips in an otherwise
normalized sequence? I'm thinking the problem may come from trying to
do an entire hour at a time. Would splitting it into smaller segments
(e.g. 20 minutes) help. MC 7.03.
Happy New Year!
Jon
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PS: The frustrating part, is that I can plug-in a POS Logitech web mic via USB and Yosemite has no problem seeing it right away. I haven't tested it, but I'd suspect that the same is the case with something like PreSonus AudioBox USB, which is a similar device to Mbox 2 Mini. Oh well.
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