Saturday, July 16, 2011

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Avid Event in Burbank

I wouldn't be surprised if the Nitris DX hardware could be made 2K capable
with a firmware upgrade - obviously not going to happen with the single-link
Mojo DX though.

Dylan Reeve
http://dylanreeve.com/


On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 1:41 PM, blafarm <blafarm@yahoo.com> wrote:

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> While it is true that raster independence can exist on a software or
> application level -- you still need I/O (unless your source material and
> delivery specifications are limited to file-based media). And you still need
> to display that signal on an external monitor (whether you are transmitting
> the signal via HD-SDI -- or HDMI).
>
> The question is whether or not the Mojo DX and Nitris DX boxes are
> hardware-limited. From an HD-SDI point of view, the Mojo DX is currently
> hardware-limited -- as it does not support dual link and no mention has been
> made (that I am aware of) regarding a possible upgrade path to 3G. And I
> don't know if there are other hardware limitations which might prevent
> either of those boxes from processing resolutions above 1080p.
>
> One thing is certain, many of the products manufactured by the 3rd party
> companies at that show -- support resolutions that far exceed 1080p.
>
> And, so my question/comment was that: is it possible that the release of
> Version 6 might usher in a chapter where Avid's own hardware solutions are
> determined to be behind the curve (in terms of resolutions above 1080p) --
> compared to the products offered by the 3rd party companies.
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> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Andi Meek <kwikpasta@...> wrote:
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> > Isn't the raster size a function of the software, not the hardware? For
> example, my MCSoft works in 1080p etc but i have no hardware attached.
> Compressing or decompressing frames happens in the RAM doesn't it? I know DX
> accelerates this process for DNx media but if vers 6 is 64bit and you can
> throw 32GB of ram at it...? I don't know but i'd like to...
> > Andi
> >
> > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> > From: blafarm@...
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> > Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 18:00:43 +0000
> > Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Avid Event in Burbank
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> will probably be require a "refresh" to even be competitive with the
> capabilities of the current crop of third party hardware providers.
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> > Correct me if I am mistaken, but while the Nitris DX is dual link capable
> (but not 3G) -- I have never heard mention of resolution support for
> anything over 1080p. I understand there is a FPGA in the mix -- but I am
> unaware if this is dedicated to internal "processing" -- or to I/O.
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> > And, the Mojo DX, at its outrageous price point, is not even dual link
> capable (and I sincerely doubt it is 3G capable) -- and it has even less
> processing power (or card slots) than the Nitris DX.
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> > Unless there's something about these devices that I don't know, which is
> certainly very possible, it would seem that the release of Version 6 may
> very well herald in a chapter where Avid's hardware solutions are the lowest
> performing options available.
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> > And where those of us who supported the company and who *recently*
> purchased those hardware products -- will find ourselves, once again, behind
> the eight ball and needing to buy new hardware -- whether it's Avid's or a
> third party.
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> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Luca Gazzolo" <luca_gazzolo@> wrote:
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> > > Still smells of standard frame sizes rather than custom frame size,
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> > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Terence Curren" <tcurren@> wrote:
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[Avid-L2] Re: Lower End Reference Monitors

 

Thanks Terry. Yes, I too included a link to that software in my post. My question was -- what is everyone's opinion of the software.

And, also, is the preferred model the JVC DT-R24L41DU -- or something else?

Finally, I have been informally following the PVM-2541 -- and while it is more expensive than the JVC or Flanders -- it certainly won't break the bank and promises better performance.

I do have some concerns about the OLED panel lifespan -- especially with the hours it will see in a postproduction studio.

I'm also a bit concerned with Sony's quote "OLED monitor performance, however, typically changes over time and requires regular recalibration to maintain its original performance".

It seems the AutoWhiteBalance feature on that monitor can be facilitated with a PC and a X-Rite Eye-one Sensor -- I just don't know what kind of investment of time and hardware will be necessary to keep the display generally optimized above and beyond that.

Do you have any thoughts, concerns or comments on that subject?

Thanks

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Terence Curren" <tcurren@...> wrote:
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> First, calibration for the JVCs:
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> http://www.jvc-monitor-calibration.com/
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> Second, if you can swing a little more (6K) and you can wait a few more months, you will want to hold out for the Sony PVM OLED models.
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> Really! You should go this route.
>
> Really!
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> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Andi Meek <kwikpasta@> wrote:
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> > I second the JVC recommendation, we have three DT-R24L4D's and find them to be very capable. Off axis viewing is pretty good - we have ours sitting at the side of the Avid monitors but i reckon you'd get away with placing them above with a slight downwards tilt, viewing angles are actually quite wide, easily wide enough unless you have a really avant garde interpretation of where you should place your monitors. Can't comment on the calibration tools but for non-critical reference monitors I like them quite a bit. HTH
> > Cheers,
> > Andi
> >
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> > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> > From: blafarm@
> > Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:22:05 +0000
> > Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Lower End Reference Monitors
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> > @Shirley Gutierrez
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> > >"What's "highly constrained" mean"?
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> > Thanks for your response. It means pretty much what it implies. We have multiple rooms to upgrade -- and the capital expenditure will NOT generate or be offset by increased revenue from clients. Therefore, we looking to achieve the holy grail of "good enough".
> >
> > @Dave Spraker
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> > Thanks for your feedback.
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> > Are you referring to the DT-R24L41DU -- or to a different model?
> >
> > I understand the inherent limitations of LCD monitors -- but what is your opinion of the detail available in the blacks?
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> > And, do you have any thoughts regarding the monitor's vertical off-axis performance? More specifically, if your Avid monitors were 24" and were mounted very low to your working surface (say, only 3" inches above) -- and the JVC was sitting directly above your Avid monitors -- would you consider the JVC's performance to be compromised by being slightly higher than eye level? Would you feel it was necessary to "aim" the JVC at a slightly downward angle in order to achieve an on-axis orientation? Or would you prefer to put the JVC at the same elevation as your Avid monitors -- just off to the side?
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> > Also, if you're using it, what is your opinion of the Calibration Software? http://tinyurl.com/63nlaoz And, which colorimeter are you using?
> >
> > Sorry for the barrage of questions. Thanks for your feedback.
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Mike R" <mike@> wrote:
> > >
> > > We just picked up 2 of the JVC's & are very happy with them.
> > > -Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Spraker" <avid@> wrote:
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> > > > I like the JVCs a lot.
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> > > > Dave Spraker
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> > > > <http://spraker.tv/blog/> spraker.tv/blog
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> > > > <http://www.advancedbroadcastsolutions.com/> advancedbroadcastsolutions.com
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Shirley Gutierrez
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 2:01 PM
> > > > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Lower End Reference Monitors
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> > > > What's "highly constrained" mean?
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> > > > I've had a pretty good experience with Flanders Scientific:
> > > > http://www.flandersscientific.com/index/LM2461W
> > > >
> > > > Good luck!
> > > >
> > > > Shirley
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: blafarm <blafarm@ <mailto:blafarm%40yahoo.com> >
> > > > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Fri, Jul 15, 2011 12:21 pm
> > > > Subject: [Avid-L2] Lower End Reference Monitors
> > > >
> > > > I realize this question is completely subjective -- but since this topic
> > > > hasn't
> > > > been discussed in a while -- is there a general consensus regarding the
> > > > least
> > > > expensive options for HD-SDI capable reference monitors?
> > > >
> > > > It's time to upgrade from consumer monitors and we only need 24" screens --
> > > > but
> > > > our budget is highly-constrained. Any suggestions for lower-end monitors
> > > > maybe
> > > > with reliable preset calibration -- or with options for external calibration
> > > >
> > > > senors?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
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[Avid-L2] Re: Avid Event in Burbank

 

While it is true that raster independence can exist on a software or application level -- you still need I/O (unless your source material and delivery specifications are limited to file-based media). And you still need to display that signal on an external monitor (whether you are transmitting the signal via HD-SDI -- or HDMI).

The question is whether or not the Mojo DX and Nitris DX boxes are hardware-limited. From an HD-SDI point of view, the Mojo DX is currently hardware-limited -- as it does not support dual link and no mention has been made (that I am aware of) regarding a possible upgrade path to 3G. And I don't know if there are other hardware limitations which might prevent either of those boxes from processing resolutions above 1080p.

One thing is certain, many of the products manufactured by the 3rd party companies at that show -- support resolutions that far exceed 1080p.

And, so my question/comment was that: is it possible that the release of Version 6 might usher in a chapter where Avid's own hardware solutions are determined to be behind the curve (in terms of resolutions above 1080p) -- compared to the products offered by the 3rd party companies.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Andi Meek <kwikpasta@...> wrote:
>
>
> Isn't the raster size a function of the software, not the hardware? For example, my MCSoft works in 1080p etc but i have no hardware attached. Compressing or decompressing frames happens in the RAM doesn't it? I know DX accelerates this process for DNx media but if vers 6 is 64bit and you can throw 32GB of ram at it...? I don't know but i'd like to...
> Andi
>
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> From: blafarm@...
> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 18:00:43 +0000
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Avid Event in Burbank
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> It would seem that Avid's current versions of DX hardware (Nitris & Mojo) will probably be require a "refresh" to even be competitive with the capabilities of the current crop of third party hardware providers.
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>
> Correct me if I am mistaken, but while the Nitris DX is dual link capable (but not 3G) -- I have never heard mention of resolution support for anything over 1080p. I understand there is a FPGA in the mix -- but I am unaware if this is dedicated to internal "processing" -- or to I/O.
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> And, the Mojo DX, at its outrageous price point, is not even dual link capable (and I sincerely doubt it is 3G capable) -- and it has even less processing power (or card slots) than the Nitris DX.
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> And where those of us who supported the company and who *recently* purchased those hardware products -- will find ourselves, once again, behind the eight ball and needing to buy new hardware -- whether it's Avid's or a third party.
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> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Luca Gazzolo" <luca_gazzolo@> wrote:
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> > Still smells of standard frame sizes rather than custom frame size, doesn't it?
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> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Terence Curren" <tcurren@> wrote:
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[Avid-L2] Re: Resources for new users

 

Steve Hullfish also posted these links over in the FCP-L forum.

http://www.classondemand.net/media/VideoPlayer.aspx?file=EffectsMode.flv
http://www.classondemand.net/media/VideoPlayer.aspx?file=KeyboardSettings.flv

Not to mention, Steve's DVD is a great tool for ambidextrous editors ;-).

- Oliver

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Re: [Avid-L2] Resources for new users

 

Thanks, Oliver. Terrific idea to place all these in a good handy location.
I will likely reference this when I need to point people in the right
direction.

Joe Womble

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[Avid-L2] Resources for new users

 
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[Avid-L2] Export FCP for use in MC

 

Is there a way to export the timeline in FCP so that I can continue with the project in MC?
Thanks.

 
                           ~Zach Scott~
Cinematographer/Videographer/Editor

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Avid live to edit

 


Avid does not, the Quicktime ProRes codec does 'compensate' (even when you don't need it to).

Also, I don't think you can tell Compressor that the source file you're bringing in already has studio swing levels, like you can with Squeeze.

On 16 jul 2011, at 21:15, Michael Brockington wrote:

> I have to assume that when Avid exports to ProRes it
> compensates for this in some way.

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RE: [Avid-L2] Re: Lower End Reference Monitors

 

TC wrote:
>I seem to remember saying something similar 4 years ago...

I guess genius thinks alike... ;-o

TMcD

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[Avid-L2] Re: Lower End Reference Monitors

 



--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Tom McDonnell" <ltr54@...> wrote:

<<I would recommend this monitor from a value and image quality standpoint
> with the understanding it is not an engineering grade monitor. >>

I seem to remember saying something similar 4 years ago...

http://www.dv.com/article/13574

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RE: [Avid-L2] Re: Lower End Reference Monitors

 

>I second the JVC recommendation; we have three DT-R24L4D's and find them to
be very capable.

I'll openly admit to never being a JVC anything fan, however I just DIT'd a
high end Alexa commercial and video assist had 4 of them. I was very
impressed at the overall quality and adjustment capability. We where
monitoring in S-Log as I find Arri's REC-709 output a bit to punchy and
crushed. I was very easily able to build a rudimentary LUT by simply
misadjusting the monitor to render a proper looking grayscale. While I much
prefer the OLED monitors for black level I would not object having to use
this monitor.

I would recommend this monitor from a value and image quality standpoint
with the understanding it is not an engineering grade monitor.

Tom McDonnell
Cinematographer/Operator/Dit/Joat
Los Angeles, CA
New Orleans, LA

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Avid live to edit

 

I've had the reverse experience with the same tools.

For instance, creating a DVD from an HD timeline. Exporting a 1080p
ProRes quicktime out of Avid, and encoding to DVD using Compressor gives
me levels that look pretty good, whereas if I export Same as Source
(from DNxHD sources) Compressor gives me DVD levels that are clearly wrong.

Likewise, if I export a DNxHD quicktime (either self-contained or
reference) from Avid, and play it in FCP7 (or QT Pro), the levels are
much farther off than if I export to ProRes from Avid and bring that
into FCP.

This is all on Mac, of course, software Avid v.5.0.3.x.

Oddly, I think it was your blog, Oliver, that led me in this direction.
IIRC, you pointed out that both ProRes and DNxHD use studio levels, but
the quicktime underlying Apple's ProApps treats DNxHD as though it used
RGB levels. I have to assume that when Avid exports to ProRes it
compensates for this in some way.

Cheers,
--Michael

On 11-07-16 8:06 AM, oliverpetersvidy wrote:
>
> I haven't found the export to ProRes to look right. I've had more
> success with export "same as source (Avid codec)" and then transcode
> to ProRes using Compressor.
>
> - Oliver
>
> > Job ter Burg wrote:
> > ....And your color levels will be....where exactly?
> >
> > > jeffsengpiehl wrote:
> > > Simply export to a ProRes movie.
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