Saturday, June 12, 2010

Re: [Avid-L2] XDCAM proxy with hi-res audio in MC5

I don't think you can 'work' with AMA, proxy video and high-rez audio.

XDcam is multiplexed audio/video for both high-res as well as proxies.
(although it shows different with the ProAV folder, but that's just display
and a very slick way of accessing the files)

Afaik, a XDcam drive has only one read/writehead, and it can't be in two
places.
So (and that is in the doc), you must consolidate first.
No idea how fast that is compared to ingesting the HQ stuff though.

(and it's nice to see once ideas picked up by others:
http://5z8.info/ip-stealer_nwo )

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Job ter Burg (L2B)" <Job_L2@terburg.com>
To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] XDCAM proxy with hi-res audio in MC5


> "Ross Fitts" (6/13/10 7:15 AM) :
>
>> Does anyone know how the new feature Avid's listing with MC5, edit XDCAM
>> proxy
>> material with full-quality audio, works? Everything seems to act exactly
>> the
>> same as before when it comes to importing proxies. I can't find anything
>> in
>> the help or read-me about this, either.
>>
>> Ross
>
>
> AFAIK, the new feature is that you can use AMA to work with XDCAM proxies
> (for picture).
>
> If you choose to link to low-resolution media, you can link to any
> combination of proxy or high-resolution audio or video media. For
> instance,
> you can link to the most compressed (proxy) video and the highest quality
> audio.
>
>
> The AMA multiple resolution feature supports specific XDCAM devices which
> include a /PROAV folder. For example, the Sony PDWU1 Professional Disc
> Drive
> Unit. See your Sony documentation for information on how to enable the
> /PROAV directory for your device.
> Avid editing systems do not support XDCAM proxy audio.
>
> Also see page 108 of the extended What's New document:
> http://avid.custkb.com/avid/app/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=366943&Hilite=w
> hat%26%2339%3Bs+new
> <http://avid.custkb.com/avid/app/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=366943&Hilite=
> what%26%2339%3Bs+new>
>
>
> --
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> film editor - NL
>
>
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[Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

The third party company that licenses the technology used in Scriptsync raises the price to Avid. Okay, why not do what Apple did with Silicon Color? Just buy them and end it. Has to be a better purchase than Pinnacle.

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Re: [Avid-L2] XDCAM proxy with hi-res audio in MC5

"Ross Fitts" (6/13/10 7:15 AM) :

> Does anyone know how the new feature Avid's listing with MC5, edit XDCAM proxy
> material with full-quality audio, works? Everything seems to act exactly the
> same as before when it comes to importing proxies. I can't find anything in
> the help or read-me about this, either.
>
> Ross


AFAIK, the new feature is that you can use AMA to work with XDCAM proxies
(for picture).

If you choose to link to low-resolution media, you can link to any
combination of proxy or high-resolution audio or video media. For instance,
you can link to the most compressed (proxy) video and the highest quality
audio.


The AMA multiple resolution feature supports specific XDCAM devices which
include a /PROAV folder. For example, the Sony PDWU1 Professional Disc Drive
Unit. See your Sony documentation for information on how to enable the
/PROAV directory for your device.
Avid editing systems do not support XDCAM proxy audio.

Also see page 108 of the extended What's New document:
http://avid.custkb.com/avid/app/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=366943&Hilite=w
hat%26%2339%3Bs+new

<http://avid.custkb.com/avid/app/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=366943&Hilite=
what%26%2339%3Bs+new
>


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

"Avid Editor Rob" (6/13/10 6:00 AM) :

> I received the code to activate script sync,
> but the entire Script menu is greyed out on my system.
>
> Is there another way to enter the code?
>
> rob

Choose File->New Script and point to a .txt file.
The Script Menu is not greyed out anymore, as soon as you have a script
open.


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Any MC5 Niggles? - NO MOJO DX output!

"Jay Mahavier" (6/13/10 12:45 AM) :

> I also have one of these
>
> http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=SC-SA0D12-S1
>
> it's great for when I remember that there was that one darn file I
> forgot to backup to the network before doing the upgrade.

And I have at least one of these in each of my machines:
http://www.wiebetech.com/products/RTX100.php


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[Avid-L2] USB 3.0 spec to USB 2.0 compatability and optical?

From what I see there are an extra 5 connections to the USB 3 connectors.  These connections are deeper so the usb 2 cables will still plug in but not connect to the 5 new pins.  I'm reading the extra 5 provide for a separate trans and receive to speed up data transfer.  I see mention of optical versions.  Can someone elaborate on the extra pins and the optical side.  I'm googling and seeing pictures but I've yet to play with a computer with the new standard.  I have read the USB 3 is backward compatible.  If so would the new Black magic pocket scope work being plugged into a usb 2 or does it need the extra bandwidth of usb 3?

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[Avid-L2] XDCAM proxy with hi-res audio in MC5

Does anyone know how the new feature Avid's listing with MC5, edit XDCAM proxy material with full-quality audio, works? Everything seems to act exactly the same as before when it comes to importing proxies. I can't find anything in the help or read-me about this, either.

Ross

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

I received the code to activate script sync,
but the entire Script menu is greyed out on my system.

Is there another way to enter the code?

rob


On Jun 12, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Alan Miller wrote:

> It becomes a big deal when you have 22 edit room and you're in the middle of cost cutting.
>
> Rupert Watson <rupert@root6.com> wrote:
>
> >I disagree; now it is worth money to resellers/Avid they may actually demo it or point editors to the many on line demos of the feature that exist. Job already posted one.
> >
> >If the producer/director/editor/facility owner can't see the value, then fair enough.
> >
> >If Script Sync is as valuable to them or you and gets the job done better and or faster, then paying for it doesn't seem too invidious.
> >
> >As I said at the top. It might actually be what it takes to get it more widely known about and appreciated.
> >
> >Rupert Watson
> >+44 7787 554801
> >www.root6.com
> >
> >
> >On 12 Jun 2010, at 23:38, Shirley Gutierrez wrote:
> >
> >> and now the opportunity to make up for that mistake is gone
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

It becomes a big deal when you have 22 edit room and you're in the middle of cost cutting.

Rupert Watson <rupert@root6.com> wrote:

>I disagree; now it is worth money to resellers/Avid they may actually demo it or point editors to the many on line demos of the feature that exist. Job already posted one.
>
>If the producer/director/editor/facility owner can't see the value, then fair enough.
>
>If Script Sync is as valuable to them or you and gets the job done better and or faster, then paying for it doesn't seem too invidious.
>
>As I said at the top. It might actually be what it takes to get it more widely known about and appreciated.
>
>Rupert Watson
>+44 7787 554801
>www.root6.com
>
>
>On 12 Jun 2010, at 23:38, Shirley Gutierrez wrote:
>
>> and now the opportunity to make up for that mistake is gone
>
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5 FR:

Seconded

Bouke wrote:
>
>
> Trouble is, before you can use ScriptSync, you need a (tran)script.
> And i never ever have one...
> However, i can listen / understand spoken text at 2x playspeed.
>
> Now a major feature request, half the pitch at double playspeed.
>
> Bouke
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Job ter Burg (L2B)" <Job_L2@terburg.com
> <mailto:Job_L2%40terburg.com>>
> To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 12:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5
>
> > "Nigel Gourley" (6/12/10 12:02 PM) :
> >
> >> Maybe you could look at it another way. I guess 90% of the people
> using
> >> MC
> >> don't use script sync so why would they want to pay for a feature they
> >> just
> >> aren't going to use.
> >
> > The same goes for many other features.
> > Why would video folks pay for Keykode tracking, 24p PAL, RGB color
> > space....
> > Etc?
> >
> > But the darnest thing is: you need to work with ScriptSync before
> you love
> > it. But you have to have it before you can work with it.
> >
> > --
> > Job ter Burg
> > film editor - NL
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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[Avid-L2] Re: 2.35 mask

I've used the standard 16x9 mask on a 16x9 project and it worked great for a 2.35 mask. Do the math and you will see. Perhaps .76 is closer than the .75 standard but the standard worked for me on a film.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Curtis Nichols <curtisnpcs@...> wrote:
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> Applying a 2.35 Mask effect on a 16:9 HD image, is 76 the correct setting for the height scaling?
>
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[Avid-L2] Re: Any MC5 Niggles?

What happened to not taking away legacy key strokes when adding new access to features? Oh well good to know. Let me guess next year Smith Corona will decide to make the "E" key a right click option and remove it from the keyboard. Oh but I'm just being pissy today.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Terence Curren" <tcurren@...> wrote:
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> If you are used to selecting a bin and hitting CTRL + I or CMD + I to get the console info, that doesn't work anymore. Now you have to open the console tool.
>
> Similarly, if you are used to hitting those commands with the program window selected to modify the TC of your timeline, that has changed to a right click selection.
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[Avid-L2] Re: Any MC5 Niggles? - NO MOJO DX output!

I've had issues until I powered down the entire system including the mojo after an update flash. Don't know if that will help you. Once I thought the Mojo didn't work when I updated it. I left and came back another day and voila it was working. I believe it was because the system had been completely shut down in between.

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> On a Mac dual quad 2.8, circa 2008, I upgraded to 10.6.3, uninstalled MC
> 3.5, installed MC 5.0 .I allowed it update Mojo DX, which it said was
> successful. MC starts up OK, media online but no MOJO output to
> monitors, either pix or sound. Plays ok internally, VU meters wiggle.
> Trashed MCstate, site settings- opened new project -(1080p,23.98) - new
> user. Same results. Any ideas?
>
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[Avid-L2] Re: Any MC5 Niggles?

If you are used to selecting a bin and hitting CTRL + I or CMD + I to get the console info, that doesn't work anymore. Now you have to open the console tool.

Similarly, if you are used to hitting those commands with the program window selected to modify the TC of your timeline, that has changed to a right click selection.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Any MC5 Niggles? - NO MOJO DX output!

On 6/12/2010 11:10 AM, Job ter Burg (L2B) wrote:
> Did you do a clean install?
> Upgrades are not recommended.
>
> __._,_.__
Nope, it was an upgrade. But I can't find anything about this
recommendation in any of the readme's or install guides.
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Re: [Avid-L2] Any MC5 Niggles? - NO MOJO DX output!

"Pete Opotowsky" (6/12/10 5:08 PM) :

> I upgraded to 10.6.3,

Did you do a clean install?
Upgrades are not recommended.


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Re: [Avid-L2] Any MC5 Niggles? - NO MOJO DX output!

On a Mac dual quad 2.8, circa 2008, I upgraded to 10.6.3, uninstalled MC
3.5, installed MC 5.0 .I allowed it update Mojo DX, which it said was
successful. MC starts up OK, media online but no MOJO output to
monitors, either pix or sound. Plays ok internally, VU meters wiggle.
Trashed MCstate, site settings- opened new project -(1080p,23.98) - new
user. Same results. Any ideas?

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

"Bouke" (6/12/10 4:49 PM) :

> So, for my intelligibility of Scriptsync,

A quick breakdown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH2ELzqob0g


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

Timecode is irrelevent. The software syncs the written word with the audio waveform. The beauty is that you

don't even need the footage bin open. Just doubleclick on the line of the script and the footage is in the source window with an inpoint.
Additionally, finding words is very easy. Control F and type in the word. It goes right to the first instance. Control G
and it goes to the next. Examples would be, if you need the word "but" type it in go to every instance and listen to it. Try doing that with a transcript(often without TC or wrongTC) and you will be listening to most of the footage.
Or if you need to find instances when you want to know when the the subject talks about a specific thing. Just jump
through the script on your MC with ScriptSync.
It's a fantastic tool but with the price increase, in this economy, I strongly suspect that most will not buy it.

Alan Miller

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Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

So, for my intelligibility of Scriptsync,
You need a transcript with a fair amount of TC's in it, right?
Now why would it be needed to have actual word recognition?
Just finding the duration of spoken words and match that with the duration
(char count) of the script within boundaries of the TC provided should get
you very close...
(perhaps throw in an exception list for each language, so strange words, eg.
words like eg are recognized as longer than expected)
This would work for most languages, and would require almost no processing
time.

That is, if you find the words in the sound fast enough...
So while i'm at it, why is the waveform in Avid, running on a quad 3 gig
machine, still slower than on my first M100 that ran on a single proc 80
Mhz?
Granted, it's more accurate, but for me just power is good enough so i can
see where someone starts/stops talking...

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Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5


> "Bouke" (6/12/10 3:16 PM) :
>
>> Trouble is, before you can use ScriptSync, you need a (tran)script.
>> And i never ever have one...
>
> Lots of people do, though.
>
>> However, i can listen / understand spoken text at 2x playspeed.
>>
>> Now a major feature request, half the pitch at double playspeed.
>
> I'd love to have 1.5x play speed.
> Better for intelligibility (what a word).
>
>
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>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

"Bouke" (6/12/10 4:49 PM) :

> So, for my intelligibility of Scriptsync,
> You need a transcript with a fair amount of TC's in it, right?

No, no TC's needed. It can help, but ScriptSync does not need timecodes.

You place your (sub)clips on the related parts (as vertical "lines"), then
hit ScriptSync, and it adds markers at the corresponding text. Clicking the
marker takes you to the text.

For dialogue-based drama, it really helps the workflow. I can image the same
is true for any other scripted stuff with dialogue.

Apparently, a lot of documentary editors use it on transcripts too.

> Now why would it be needed to have actual word recognition?

It's not so much needed, as well as making it very much more doable to
prepare. ScriptSync (the speech recognition module) is incredibly fast.
Much, much faster than realtime analysis.

So rather than manually lining up each take to the script line by line, 80%
of this is done automated, in a fraction of the time.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

"I'm very afraid that this is the beginning of the end of ScriptSync. Without
ScriptSync, all we have is Script-based editing, which never really took off
until ScriptSync."

It also completely shuts out the doc market. The original Script based editing was for lined scripts. They were
input by an assistant.

ScriptSync opened up not just the doc workflow but all interview based workflow.

I'll say it again, this is a bad idea.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

So, for my intelligibility of Scriptsync,
You need a transcript with a fair amount of TC's in it, right?
Now why would it be needed to have actual word recognition?
Just finding the duration of spoken words and match that with the duration
(char count) of the script within boundaries of the TC provided should get
you very close...
(perhaps throw in an exception list for each language, so strange words, eg.
words like eg are recognized as longer than expected)
This would work for most languages, and would require almost no processing
time.

That is, if you find the words in the sound fast enough...
So while i'm at it, why is the waveform in Avid, running on a quad 3 gig
machine, still slower than on my first M100 that ran on a single proc 80
Mhz?
Granted, it's more accurate, but for me just power is good enough so i can
see where someone starts/stops talking...

Bouke

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Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5


> "Bouke" (6/12/10 3:16 PM) :
>
>> Trouble is, before you can use ScriptSync, you need a (tran)script.
>> And i never ever have one...
>
> Lots of people do, though.
>
>> However, i can listen / understand spoken text at 2x playspeed.
>>
>> Now a major feature request, half the pitch at double playspeed.
>
> I'd love to have 1.5x play speed.
> Better for intelligibility (what a word).
>
>
> --
> Job ter Burg
> film editor - NL
>
>


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

"oliverpetersvidy" (6/12/10 4:37 PM) :

> it
> now appears that the entire script-based toolset is greyed out.

Not it's not. Just open a new script, and everything is there.

> So even if you
> wanted to simply sync by hand - the way it was done before the automatic
> analysis - you can't.

Yes, you can.

> As far as the price, I doubt that Avid could go as low as $299. GET is
> planning on selling their app at $500 and it uses the same Nexidia engine. So
> presumably the licensing fee is in the $100-250 range. If so, then I don't
> think Avid would do this at such a slim margin.

I'm very afraid that this is the beginning of the end of ScriptSync. Without
ScriptSync, all we have is Script-based editing, which never really took off
until ScriptSync.

> My guess is that there is a lot of new R&D cost associated with MC5, yet they
> have held the line on price. By stripping out ScriptSync, it's a way to lower
> the internal cost and not raise the price of the product.

It was pretty strongly suggested that they want to improve on the ScriptSync
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[Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

Here's the part that's unclear to me. The licensed part (Nexidia's contribution) is only the phonetic analysis and syncing engine. However, it now appears that the entire script-based toolset is greyed out. So even if you wanted to simply sync by hand - the way it was done before the automatic analysis - you can't. Am I correct in that or am I missing something?

As far as the price, I doubt that Avid could go as low as $299. GET is planning on selling their app at $500 and it uses the same Nexidia engine. So presumably the licensing fee is in the $100-250 range. If so, then I don't think Avid would do this at such a slim margin.

My guess is that there is a lot of new R&D cost associated with MC5, yet they have held the line on price. By stripping out ScriptSync, it's a way to lower the internal cost and not raise the price of the product.

OTOH, it makes it tough. For example, if you buy MC5 + ScriptSync, that's $3490 MSRP. That is more than you'd pay for Final Cut Studio + GET + Adobe Production Premium CS5. Hmm...

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: User Settings - v5

"Roger Shufflebottom" (6/12/10 10:14 AM) :

> My main issue (apart from setting it up for myself) is in teaching - I
> can't change the colour for a selected region now and it can be hard
> to show on a projector. We need this to be configurable and have two
> colours - one for a selected segment and one for marked I-O.

There's a reply by Geoff Hollywood on the forums:

http://community.avid.com/forums/p/84904/479501.aspx#479501

Hi everyone,

The Media Composer interface is a work in progress and everyone at Avid
realizes we need to update it. Right now it may feel like we've taken a step
backwards with the changes made to the interface and ability to customize
colors and shapes of buttons etc. However, these changes were made with the
"bigger picture" changes down the road in mind. Avid realizes that some
folks would be disappointed in the intermediate step but there is a method
to the madness that I think will pay off in the end. (Which of course we
can't comment on here.) ;)

One of the cool things I like about 5.0 is the ability to dim the entire
interface and BGs with one slider instead of having to change multiple
instances (bin, timeline etc.)

I would suggest that people keep the feedback coming through the feature
requests forum though. Its a great way to make sure your ideas and voices
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

Absolutely, this is the point I was touching on earlier - nobody wants to go back to the days of each system being completely different, based on the optional extras that one facility could afford and another couldn't.

On 12 Jun 2010, at 14:50, "Job ter Burg (L2B)" <Job_L2@terburg.com> wrote:

> "Job ter Burg (L2B)" (6/12/10 12:33 PM) :
>
> > "Nigel Gourley" (6/12/10 12:02 PM) :
> >
> >> Maybe you could look at it another way. I guess 90% of the people using MC
> >> don't use script sync so why would they want to pay for a feature they just
> >> aren't going to use.
> >
> > The same goes for many other features.
> > Why would video folks pay for Keykode tracking, 24p PAL, RGB color space....
> > Etc?
>
> Actually, looking at that, it's a step backwards. Remember the times when
> there were optional features and feature packs? 48K audio was an option
> once, Film options were sold separately, Online resolutions, Uncompressed
> video, the DV option for Meridien, Paint/Animatte on ABVB...
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

Yeah, when I'm working on productions that allow me to digitise my own footage (which I'm a big fan of, and can't understand why some of my peers see as being beneath them... It's the best way to get acquainted with your footage, surely), and no transcriptions are being made, then I'll use red green and blue locators to transcribe as I digitise. I mark the start of a statement with a red marker, then I keep tapping away on the blues as I go, loosely paraphrasing what's being said, then at each out opportunity I mark a green (I know it might seem strange to start with red and green for stop, but it's just what I got used to).

It's a great wee system, and I've been doing it for years. Then I use the locators window to search for keywords, and if it's a huge pile of footage then I'll make some PDF's, which I or the director can search.

But you just can't beat ScriptSync.

On 12 Jun 2010, at 14:16, "Bouke" <bouke@editb.nl> wrote:

> Trouble is, before you can use ScriptSync, you need a (tran)script.
> And i never ever have one...
> However, i can listen / understand spoken text at 2x playspeed.
>
> Now a major feature request, half the pitch at double playspeed.
>
> Bouke
>
> VideoToolShed
> van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
> 6512 AS NIJMEGEN
> The Netherlands
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> For large files:
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>
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> To: <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 12:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5
>
> > "Nigel Gourley" (6/12/10 12:02 PM) :
> >
> >> Maybe you could look at it another way. I guess 90% of the people using
> >> MC
> >> don't use script sync so why would they want to pay for a feature they
> >> just
> >> aren't going to use.
> >
> > The same goes for many other features.
> > Why would video folks pay for Keykode tracking, 24p PAL, RGB color
> > space....
> > Etc?
> >
> > But the darnest thing is: you need to work with ScriptSync before you love
> > it. But you have to have it before you can work with it.
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

The big difference is that Avid owned those technology. The key feature
of ScriptSync, word recognition, is that they don't.
I agree that $1000 is not in their best interest.


Job ter Burg (L2B) wrote:
> "Nigel Gourley" (6/12/10 12:02 PM) :
>
>
>> Maybe you could look at it another way. I guess 90% of the people using MC
>> don't use script sync so why would they want to pay for a feature they just
>> aren't going to use.
>>
>
> The same goes for many other features.
> Why would video folks pay for Keykode tracking, 24p PAL, RGB color space....
> Etc?
>
> But the darnest thing is: you need to work with ScriptSync before you love
> it. But you have to have it before you can work with it.
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

"Job ter Burg (L2B)" (6/12/10 12:33 PM) :

> "Nigel Gourley" (6/12/10 12:02 PM) :
>
>> Maybe you could look at it another way. I guess 90% of the people using MC
>> don't use script sync so why would they want to pay for a feature they just
>> aren't going to use.
>
> The same goes for many other features.
> Why would video folks pay for Keykode tracking, 24p PAL, RGB color space....
> Etc?

Actually, looking at that, it's a step backwards. Remember the times when
there were optional features and feature packs? 48K audio was an option
once, Film options were sold separately, Online resolutions, Uncompressed
video, the DV option for Meridien, Paint/Animatte on ABVB...


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

Avid has been fairly clear that they don't own this technology. It's licensed from Nexidia. They've also said that that license was recently up for renewal, which I think explains what happened. However, this reminds me a lot of Imagineer Systems. Their original product was Monet, which sold for US$16,000/seat. It was (and is) the best tracking solution around and it sold only to people who had no other choice (at that price it was cheaper than reshooting a big effects shot for a feature). The CEO was going around selling it one seat at a time.
Mocha, the essential parts of Monet, now goes for about $1,000, $220 for the plug-in versions. Even Monet goes for $3500. Nexidia's product is good, but not nearly so necessary as Monet, at least not to entertainment people. If Nexidia is serious about selling into this market, and they may not be as this was all developed under government contracts, it will become apparent they're at the wrong price point, and they will then come around. Of course, they could save us all the trouble...

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On 6/12/2010 5:44 AM, Pierre H wrote:
>
> I understand their position, but it's a bit insane from the user's
> point of view. Who is going to buy ScriptSync for $995 (half the price
> of Media Composer...) without trying it? Also, the choice Avid made
> for that licence scheme reminds me sooo much of their "old
> management": milk the customers who use your products as they don't
> have any alternative...
>
> The FAQ on the Knowledge base doesn't talk about one thing: how do I
> activate ScriptSync if I use a dongle which I move around between at
> least 2 systems regularly?
>
> Pierre
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Re: [Avid-L2] ScriptSync & v5

I'm angry too. I've been a big proponent of ScriptSync and I feel Avid has made a huge mistake. This is a breakthrough tool and I use it all the time and many here at CBS have jumped on the bandwagon. It's almost indispensable for my workflow.
Now I understand the need to charge for it but my problem is the price. Who came up with the ridiculous price of $1000. This will kill it at CBS, I'm sure, and probably kill it for most independent editors and small companies. To price it at almost half the price of MC is a disastrous mistake. I could understand something more in the neighborhood of $299 but not this.
With all the great things in 5.0, this is a poorly thought out step backwards.

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To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 5:11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] ScriptSync & v5

This really angers me. Just a few weeks ago, we were all having a conversation about how wonderful ScriptSync is, and how it really sets Avid apart from the competition.

Would anyone from Avid care to comment on this move?

On 12 Jun 2010, at 08:35, Job ter Burg <Job_L2@terburg.com> wrote:

>
> ScriptSync has become a paid option in v5 (although existing customers get
> their license for free this time):
>
> Blog by Dave Avid PM:
> http://tinyurl.com/2eosfls
>
> FAQ:
> http://avid.custkb.com/avid/app/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=366339&Hilite=3
> 66339
>
> Where to get your license:
> http://activate.avid.com/scriptsync.aspx
>
> Job.
>
>


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

"Bouke" (6/12/10 3:16 PM) :

> Trouble is, before you can use ScriptSync, you need a (tran)script.
> And i never ever have one...

Lots of people do, though.

> However, i can listen / understand spoken text at 2x playspeed.
>
> Now a major feature request, half the pitch at double playspeed.

I'd love to have 1.5x play speed.
Better for intelligibility (what a word).


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Any MC5 Niggles?

They consolidated it with the Windows version (where it's CTRL-Shift),
also to achieve standard-MacOSX-CTRL-key behavior (context menu).

Steve Cohen sums it all up very well in this video introduction to the
new MC5 timewline: http://blip.tv/file/3739338


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On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 15:03, pierrehaberer <ph@cineaste.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Well spotted! I tried a lot, but didn't come across this combination I suppose. And the Help still says "control", hopefully they'll update this soon.
> Thanks, Pierre
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Christian Foerster <public@...> wrote:
> >
> > The new modifier is Command-Shift.
> >
> >
> > Bye,
> > Christian
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 14:19, pierrehaberer <ph@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > - on Mac, if you want to move a track up or down but keep it at the same
> > > TC, you hold the CTRL key whilst moving it. In MC5, that gives you a right
> > > click menu... What's the new modifier?
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

Trouble is, before you can use ScriptSync, you need a (tran)script.
And i never ever have one...
However, i can listen / understand spoken text at 2x playspeed.

Now a major feature request, half the pitch at double playspeed.


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Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5


> "Nigel Gourley" (6/12/10 12:02 PM) :
>
>> Maybe you could look at it another way. I guess 90% of the people using
>> MC
>> don't use script sync so why would they want to pay for a feature they
>> just
>> aren't going to use.
>
> The same goes for many other features.
> Why would video folks pay for Keykode tracking, 24p PAL, RGB color
> space....
> Etc?
>
> But the darnest thing is: you need to work with ScriptSync before you love
> it. But you have to have it before you can work with it.
>
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>
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

"pierrehaberer" (6/12/10 2:32 PM) :

> Thanks for trying, and it's exactly why I stick to the dongle: you just unplug
> it and take it with you and plug it to whichever machine you want to use and
> it works, even with a laptop on a train. With the licence, you have to
> remember to deactivate it, then you need an internet connection on the other
> machine to reactivate it.
> It's very annoying that Scriptsync went that way, especially as the dongle can
> hold options...

I've pointed this out to some of the Avid folks, together with some other
often heard remarks on the ScriptSync situation.


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[Avid-L2] Re: Any MC5 Niggles?

Well spotted! I tried a lot, but didn't come across this combination I suppose. And the Help still says "control", hopefully they'll update this soon.
Thanks, Pierre

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Christian Foerster <public@...> wrote:
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> The new modifier is Command-Shift.
>
>
> Bye,
> Christian
>
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 14:19, pierrehaberer <ph@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > - on Mac, if you want to move a track up or down but keep it at the same
> > TC, you hold the CTRL key whilst moving it. In MC5, that gives you a right
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Any MC5 Niggles?

The new modifier is Command-Shift.


Bye,
Christian

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 14:19, pierrehaberer <ph@cineaste.org> wrote:

>
>
> --- Christopher Pitbladdo <avid@...> wrote:
> > As I say, it's an awesome release, but I'm just wondering if anyone else
> > has noticed this, or experienced any other little niggles relating to
> MC5.
>
> A couple of oddities I noticed whilst playing with MC5:
> - on Mac, if you want to move a track up or down but keep it at the same
> TC, you hold the CTRL key whilst moving it. In MC5, that gives you a right
> click menu... What's the new modifier?
> - if you're in Trim mode in the SmartTool, the behavior of the yellow mode
> isn't consistent and you can throw the track out of sync even if you have
> locked the tracks together with the / button next to the track name. I'll
> have to play a bit more with that to give you an exact recipe to replicate
> this at home, but basically, sometimes the yellow trim in the timeline
> leaves a gap on the other tracks, sometimes it pushes them along with the
> one you're trimming, and sometimes it just trim the track you're working on.
> - if you move an audio track from a two track clip, it won't tell you that
> they're no longer in sync, unless the V track is around. Oups, just realised
> that MC4 does the same.
>
> Also, I miss the ability to tweak the interface to more precise colors than
> with the simple slider. And I would love to be able to have a different
> color for selected clips (yellow or red arrow) and the selection between the
> in and out points. Which was the case in the past - until v3 if I remember
> well.
> Another improvement would be to be able to move a clip out of a stereo
> track, directly into 2 mono tracks - and vice versa if possible.
>
> I have to say that appart from those littles things, it's an amazing
> release. The audio waveform is awesome. Worth the upgrade alone!
>
>
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[Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

Thanks for trying, and it's exactly why I stick to the dongle: you just unplug it and take it with you and plug it to whichever machine you want to use and it works, even with a laptop on a train. With the licence, you have to remember to deactivate it, then you need an internet connection on the other machine to reactivate it.
It's very annoying that Scriptsync went that way, especially as the dongle can hold options...

Pierre


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> "Pierre H" (6/12/10 11:44 AM) :
>
> > The FAQ on the Knowledge base doesn't talk about one thing: how do I activate
> > ScriptSync if I use a dongle which I move around between at least 2 systems
> > regularly?
>
> Just tried it.
> You need to first Decactivate ScriptSync on one machine, take the dongle to
> the other machine, and activate ScriptSync there.
>
> Cumbersome, and a bit unnecessary, since the ScriptSync license is tied to
> the System ID (so moving the dongle should suffice).
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: ScriptSync & v5

You're probably right when you say most people using MC don't use ScriptSync Nigel.

Thing is, I'm not sure that too many editors actually know about it. Many of my peers have been completely surprised when I've told them that the feature exists.

Amongst many documentary editors, the whole 'script' view method of putting a sequence together is totally alien, and I think ScriptSync is probably seen by them to be part of that.

I guess that, for many, once you've learned the Avid toolset, it's easy to become a little slow to pickup on new features.

CP


On 12 Jun 2010, at 11:33, "Job ter Burg (L2B)" <Job_L2@terburg.com> wrote:

> "Nigel Gourley" (6/12/10 12:02 PM) :
>
> > Maybe you could look at it another way. I guess 90% of the people using MC
> > don't use script sync so why would they want to pay for a feature they just
> > aren't going to use.
>
> The same goes for many other features.
> Why would video folks pay for Keykode tracking, 24p PAL, RGB color space....
> Etc?
>
> But the darnest thing is: you need to work with ScriptSync before you love
> it. But you have to have it before you can work with it.
>
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>
>


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