Saturday, October 31, 2009

[Avid-L2] Re: Way back machine... quiz for the 'early adopters' over 50...

I never used them but there were punch tape machines and probably 8 inch floppy units that would record every edit edl style. Perhaps that was a later addition I was on the ECS90s & 103s when I was at UCLA in 1981. I actually installed the edit bays as a student worker. Yeah the cruise control button was awesome it could maintain whatever shuttle speed you were doing when you pressed it.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, John Hollands <johnhollands@...> wrote:
>
>
> I remember well the ECS-90 and <gasp> the *103* which had Cruise on the
> joystick. Oh my Lordy!
>
> The trick back then was preview a couple of times then write down the
> timecode numbers (conveniently displayed in status monitor) while the
> decks were cueing and pre-rolling into the edit. ('Recall' if you missed it)
>
> Once we wrote these points (at least 3 of them) we would need to "talk
> out" for online. There was no data recording system of any kind. Sure
> there were eight-inch floppies or punch tape, but they weren't for the
> likes of off-line, no siree, THEY were to dump the final on-line EDL
> onto. Pure hubris, thinking of that for off-line.
>
> No, we had to say out loud "Reel 22, set in 1 25 06 set out 1 28 12"
> with "trim in split audio 1 20" and the on-line Editor dutifully typed
> all those numbers. On a 1-hour drama, these sessions took 8 to 9 hours
> for assembly, with another 4 to 5 hours for supers, credits, bumpers,
> integrations etc. There also wasn't any fixed Record side numbers. We
> never knew where the action would start due to different saga-sells and
> titles. However today I'd get it all typed in and ripple.
>
> We also had to calculate the "shift-Mark_Reset" values, saying
> "Recorder: shift-Mark_Reset, set-in 1 02 03 04..." where we picked up on
> the record side. If we backed up one second and fourteen frames for a
> split edit we had better bloody-well KNOW that exactly. "Trim_In minus
> 114, Set_In...".
>
> We soon learned to call code in pairs, hard to write but sort of "set_in
> 1........ 06.......05.....04" with the numbers close together SAID
> together. Da-da, da-da, da-da Easier to visualise and type than just a
> string of numbers.
>
> Add in the already tired offline-Editor plus their croaking voice after
> a while and swirl with irascible on-line Editor barking out corrections
> or calling durations (to check), making a big deal of pal-pairing errors
> and insisting we know exactly how many seconds he was to dissolve.
> "Can we preview the dissolve?" "No. Wimps preview. Ya want one second or
> two seconds?" n"Er...ummm...". "Righto, I'll make it two since you don't
> know"
>
> Couldn't easily go back to change anything either since these were 2"
> tapes on Quad machines. Unless the same tape went back on the same Quad
> machine and all four heads were lined up exactly the same...
>
> Hard to believe we won awards for this shit.
>
> Hard to believe we didn't punch out the online smug bastards. (Some were
> OK).
>
> Hard to believe we didn't all turn to substance abuse... oh wait.
>


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[Avid-L2] Re: Way back machine... quiz for the 'early adopters' over 50...

Hey that reminds me it's time to call my sponsor.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, John Hollands <johnhollands@...> wrote:
>
>

> Hard to believe we didn't punch out the online smug bastards. (Some were
> OK).
>
> Hard to believe we didn't all turn to substance abuse... oh wait.
>


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[Avid-L2] Re: Way back machine... quiz for the 'early adopters' over 50...

I remember well the ECS-90 and <gasp> the *103* which had Cruise on the
joystick. Oh my Lordy!

The trick back then was preview a couple of times then write down the
timecode numbers (conveniently displayed in status monitor) while the
decks were cueing and pre-rolling into the edit. ('Recall' if you missed it)

Once we wrote these points (at least 3 of them) we would need to "talk
out" for online. There was no data recording system of any kind. Sure
there were eight-inch floppies or punch tape, but they weren't for the
likes of off-line, no siree, THEY were to dump the final on-line EDL
onto. Pure hubris, thinking of that for off-line.

No, we had to say out loud "Reel 22, set in 1 25 06 set out 1 28 12"
with "trim in split audio 1 20" and the on-line Editor dutifully typed
all those numbers. On a 1-hour drama, these sessions took 8 to 9 hours
for assembly, with another 4 to 5 hours for supers, credits, bumpers,
integrations etc. There also wasn't any fixed Record side numbers. We
never knew where the action would start due to different saga-sells and
titles. However today I'd get it all typed in and ripple.

We also had to calculate the "shift-Mark_Reset" values, saying
"Recorder: shift-Mark_Reset, set-in 1 02 03 04..." where we picked up on
the record side. If we backed up one second and fourteen frames for a
split edit we had better bloody-well KNOW that exactly. "Trim_In minus
114, Set_In...".

We soon learned to call code in pairs, hard to write but sort of "set_in
1........ 06.......05.....04" with the numbers close together SAID
together. Da-da, da-da, da-da Easier to visualise and type than just a
string of numbers.

Add in the already tired offline-Editor plus their croaking voice after
a while and swirl with irascible on-line Editor barking out corrections
or calling durations (to check), making a big deal of pal-pairing errors
and insisting we know exactly how many seconds he was to dissolve.
"Can we preview the dissolve?" "No. Wimps preview. Ya want one second or
two seconds?" n"Er...ummm...". "Righto, I'll make it two since you don't
know"

Couldn't easily go back to change anything either since these were 2"
tapes on Quad machines. Unless the same tape went back on the same Quad
machine and all four heads were lined up exactly the same...

Hard to believe we won awards for this shit.

Hard to believe we didn't punch out the online smug bastards. (Some were
OK).

Hard to believe we didn't all turn to substance abuse... oh wait.

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[Avid-L2] Re: Way back machine... quiz for the 'early adopters' over 50...

It certainly was fun or I wouldn't still be doing it. I started with a 3 camera B&W studio we built in high school when I was 13. Talking about open reel Sony deck here's my favorite story. A guy shot with the open reel deck air to air a squadron of planes. When he went to play back the tape later all the planes were upside down and flying backward. WTF? He later discover he had threaded the tape upside down but because the pitch stability of the flying squadron there was some harmonic close enough to control track frequency to fool the deck into locking with the tape threaded upside down. Voila upside and backwards video before an ADO, Squeeze Zoom or Quantel DPS was a twinkle in someone's eyes.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Tom McDonnell <ltr54@...> wrote:
>
> > That was U-matic.
>
> The 5800's where U-Matic. The Sony Industrial Betamax decks I learned on where I think SLO-340's. They where Betamax format recording at the one hour speed and had flying erase heads for video insert editing and two channel audio. They where controlled by the RM-440.
>
> John I cut news pkg's with BVU-200's and V0-2800's. That's when I learned what "sweating bullets" meant. I also carried a BVU-100 and 150 when shooting back in 1981. I also had the honor two shoot with a Ike79 tied to a "portable" Ampex 1" machine. My first introduction to portable video was in 1976 with a Sony B&W camera and portable 1/2inch open reel recorder. Total running time on full batts 10min. The camera and deck didn't have the color modules for color recording.
>
> You know when I look back on all this it really was/is fun watching and taking a part in the evolution of our industry.
>
> TMcD
>


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Way back machine... quiz for the 'early adopters' over 50...

Evolution? Devolution, maybe. BUT did you ever shoot to a VPR-5?
70% nagra / 30% Ampex. Awesome.

Greg (at) secrethq.com
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On Oct 31, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Tom McDonnell <ltr54@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> > That was U-matic.
>
> The 5800's where U-Matic. The Sony Industrial Betamax decks I
> learned on where I think SLO-340's. They where Betamax format
> recording at the one hour speed and had flying erase heads for video
> insert editing and two channel audio. They where controlled by the
> RM-440.
>
> John I cut news pkg's with BVU-200's and V0-2800's. That's when I
> learned what "sweating bullets" meant. I also carried a BVU-100 and
> 150 when shooting back in 1981. I also had the honor two shoot with
> a Ike79 tied to a "portable" Ampex 1" machine. My first introduction
> to portable video was in 1976 with a Sony B&W camera and portable
> 1/2inch open reel recorder. Total running time on full batts 10min.
> The camera and deck didn't have the color modules for color recording.
>
> You know when I look back on all this it really was/is fun watching
> and taking a part in the evolution of our industry.
>
> TMcD
>
>


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Re: [Avid-L2] OT: Iphone replaces Avid - ReelDirector

And then there is this http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2009/10/owle_iphone_video.html

Ian Wilson
Colortape Productions
Ian@colortape.tv
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Via iPhone

On 01/11/2009, at 4:17 AM, Richard Tibbetts <huipro@hawaii.rr.com>
wrote:

> Check out this badboy:
>
> It's kinda like the Avid 100 at this point, (same lame transitions)
> but who knows?
>
> Maybe with an iMojo on the side?
>
> http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=334366844&mt=8
>
> RT
> Sent via iPhone. Of course.
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] OL RED CENTRE PK

Yes, I agree it's a great PK, and what I like about it, is that it's
now not only RED. Jason Wigrove the other half of the team has just
presented an FXphd course on Directing where they shot a short film
using ANA lenses, and the pictures are superb. My appolgies to the
list in making this more camera than post.

Ian Wilson
Colortape Productions
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Via iPhone

On 01/11/2009, at 3:19 AM, Greg Huson <Greg@SecretHQ.com> wrote:

> Big fan of Red Centre, actually. While it started as a talk about
> red, these two goobers talk like the rest of us do over a beer...
> often lapsing into super-nerd speak, and nattering on about some
> obscure aspect of digital cinematography. If there's a new RC on my
> iphone when I go out to walk the dog in the morning, it's always my
> first choice, even over great podcasts like 'The Moth,' 'This American
> Life,' and 'Radio Lab.'
>
> Shows what a nerd I am. I don't even shoot these days, but still get
> enthralled with ferahners talk about 'TVCs' and 'Docos.' (man, I
> need to get out of the edit bay once in a while...)
>
> gh
> ----------------------------------------------------
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>
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2009, at 1:09 AM, IAN WILSON wrote:
>
>> Worth a listen as they have talked with Ted Schilowitz about the new
>> RED announcements, you can subscribe to the PK through iTunes, it's
>> called REDCentre, or just go to their Websitehttp://www.fxguide.com/
>> redcentre Its audio only and will even stream on your iPhone.
>>
>> Ian Wilson
>> Colortape Productions
>> Ian@colortape.tv
>> 0418 327 082
>> Via iPhone
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Way back machine... quiz for the 'early adopters' over 50...

> That was U-matic.

The 5800's where U-Matic. The Sony Industrial Betamax decks I learned on where I think SLO-340's. They where Betamax format recording at the one hour speed and had flying erase heads for video insert editing and two channel audio. They where controlled by the RM-440.

John I cut news pkg's with BVU-200's and V0-2800's. That's when I learned what "sweating bullets" meant. I also carried a BVU-100 and 150 when shooting back in 1981. I also had the honor two shoot with a Ike79 tied to a "portable" Ampex 1" machine. My first introduction to portable video was in 1976 with a Sony B&W camera and portable 1/2inch open reel recorder. Total running time on full batts 10min. The camera and deck didn't have the color modules for color recording.

You know when I look back on all this it really was/is fun watching and taking a part in the evolution of our industry.

TMcD


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Apple HDV Codec Field Order?

That's great news! Glad to hear it worked fine.

Agustin Goya
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 4:02 PM, johnrobmoore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

>
>
> Actually batch capturing HDV with the Sony HVR-1500 is a breeze. It's just
> as robost as DVcam is on a DSR-1500 and 1800. Turns out the trip through
> Sebsky Tools did in fact maintain valid time code to the original source
> tapes. The batch capture worked like a charm. As to levels well I'm about to
> find out. Thanks for the info on the codec.
>
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>, "Agustin Goya
> | Wancamp" <agustingoya@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Roger, I can confirm that Apple HDV is a mac only codec. It looks that
> > the problem is on the imported QT on mac, If that´s, I don´t know any way
> > to fix the scrambled fields inside avid. The color shift you might have
> if
> > you recapture using original tapes via HD-SDI depends on the setting that
> > where used on Mac Avid Import. Depending on the length of your sequence
> that
> > would be the best to do, but batch capturing HDV is not an easy task.
> > Hope this help.
> >
> > Agustin Goya
> > WANCAMP | POST
> > +54-11-6545-2427
> > http://www.wancamp.com.ar/
> > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2339496/
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Roger Shufflebottom
> > <rshuff@...>wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > It's late here and I'm not too bright - not sure I can throw any light
> on
> > > it
> > > but Avid does expect Upper/Odd/Field 1 for HD AFAIK. There is one
> oddity I
> > > cam across in Avid (and it is deliberate) but it pertains to PAL DV.
> PAL DV
> > > is Lower while 'real' PAL video (D1) is Upper. If you export from an
> Avid
> > > DV25 PAL clip using the Avid codec, the fields are reversed (or they
> were
> > > in
> > > MC 2.7). I asked Greg Staen about this when he was still at Avid and he
> > > said
> > > that the industry standard was Upper therefore the codec exported as
> Upper
> > > (even though genuine PAL DV is Lower). I have no idea if this relates
> to
> > > your problem. Good luck.
> > >
> > > On 30/10/2009 18:01, "John Moore" <bigfish@...<bigfish%40pacbell.net>>
>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > SNIP
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Here is my problem. A show was started in FCP then moved to Avid
> using
> > > Sebsky
> > > > tool. This was done on a Mac Avid. The media was brought in already
> > > imported
> > > > and then consolidated to the online Avid SN classic on PC. Almost if
> not
> > > all
> > > > the Sebsky'd clips have field order issues. It is my understanding
> > > through
> > > > bleery eyes that there is no PC QT codec for the Apple HDV, can
> someone
> > > > confirm this? The only way I could get to the original QTs was to
> open
> > > them
> > > > in QT pro on my macbook pro and export them as animation or Avid
> Packed
> > > > Codec. I could not use DNX because of backwards compatabiliy of the
> new
> > > DNX
> > > > codec to the old DNX on the symphony. I know that is just a download
> > > thing
> > > > and will suggest that fix for DNX. Once I've converted the QTs to a
> PC
> > > > friendly codec I found that they must be imported as lower field
> first to
> > > > avoid the field order issue I'm seeing. Is the Apple HDV codec really
> > > lower
> > > > field normally or is my need for conversion
> > > > causing a field order swap?
> > > >
> > > > Assuming the Sebsky tools conversion was done correctly will the
> source
> > > time
> > > > code reflected in the Avid timeline be an accurate to the original
> field
> > > > tapes? If so then I'm thinking it will be quicker to recapture of
> tape
> > > than
> > > > have to import the entire QT clips. Plus relinking the QT media seems
> to
> > > be
> > > > problematic due to the typical Avid imported media issues when trying
> to
> > > > relink or reconnect.
> > > >SNIP
> > > >
> > > > John Moore
> > > >
> > >
> > > +++
> > > With best wishes,
> > >
> > > Roger Shufflebottom
> > > Avid Certified Instructor
> > > http://www.bottom-line.tv
> > > Tel: +44 1992 535 031 (UK)
> > > Mobile: +44 7973 543 660
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


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[Avid-L2] Re: Apple HDV Codec Field Order?

Actually batch capturing HDV with the Sony HVR-1500 is a breeze. It's just as robost as DVcam is on a DSR-1500 and 1800. Turns out the trip through Sebsky Tools did in fact maintain valid time code to the original source tapes. The batch capture worked like a charm. As to levels well I'm about to find out. Thanks for the info on the codec.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Agustin Goya | Wancamp" <agustingoya@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Roger, I can confirm that Apple HDV is a mac only codec. It looks that
> the problem is on the imported QT on mac, If that´s, I don´t know any way
> to fix the scrambled fields inside avid. The color shift you might have if
> you recapture using original tapes via HD-SDI depends on the setting that
> where used on Mac Avid Import. Depending on the length of your sequence that
> would be the best to do, but batch capturing HDV is not an easy task.
> Hope this help.
>
> Agustin Goya
> WANCAMP | POST
> +54-11-6545-2427
> http://www.wancamp.com.ar/
> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2339496/
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Roger Shufflebottom
> <rshuff@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > It's late here and I'm not too bright - not sure I can throw any light on
> > it
> > but Avid does expect Upper/Odd/Field 1 for HD AFAIK. There is one oddity I
> > cam across in Avid (and it is deliberate) but it pertains to PAL DV. PAL DV
> > is Lower while 'real' PAL video (D1) is Upper. If you export from an Avid
> > DV25 PAL clip using the Avid codec, the fields are reversed (or they were
> > in
> > MC 2.7). I asked Greg Staen about this when he was still at Avid and he
> > said
> > that the industry standard was Upper therefore the codec exported as Upper
> > (even though genuine PAL DV is Lower). I have no idea if this relates to
> > your problem. Good luck.
> >
> > On 30/10/2009 18:01, "John Moore" <bigfish@...<bigfish%40pacbell.net>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > SNIP
> >
> > >
> > > Here is my problem. A show was started in FCP then moved to Avid using
> > Sebsky
> > > tool. This was done on a Mac Avid. The media was brought in already
> > imported
> > > and then consolidated to the online Avid SN classic on PC. Almost if not
> > all
> > > the Sebsky'd clips have field order issues. It is my understanding
> > through
> > > bleery eyes that there is no PC QT codec for the Apple HDV, can someone
> > > confirm this? The only way I could get to the original QTs was to open
> > them
> > > in QT pro on my macbook pro and export them as animation or Avid Packed
> > > Codec. I could not use DNX because of backwards compatabiliy of the new
> > DNX
> > > codec to the old DNX on the symphony. I know that is just a download
> > thing
> > > and will suggest that fix for DNX. Once I've converted the QTs to a PC
> > > friendly codec I found that they must be imported as lower field first to
> > > avoid the field order issue I'm seeing. Is the Apple HDV codec really
> > lower
> > > field normally or is my need for conversion
> > > causing a field order swap?
> > >
> > > Assuming the Sebsky tools conversion was done correctly will the source
> > time
> > > code reflected in the Avid timeline be an accurate to the original field
> > > tapes? If so then I'm thinking it will be quicker to recapture of tape
> > than
> > > have to import the entire QT clips. Plus relinking the QT media seems to
> > be
> > > problematic due to the typical Avid imported media issues when trying to
> > > relink or reconnect.
> > >SNIP
> > >
> > > John Moore
> > >
> >
> > +++
> > With best wishes,
> >
> > Roger Shufflebottom
> > Avid Certified Instructor
> > http://www.bottom-line.tv
> > Tel: +44 1992 535 031 (UK)
> > Mobile: +44 7973 543 660
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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[Avid-L2] OT: Iphone replaces Avid - ReelDirector

Check out this badboy:

It's kinda like the Avid 100 at this point, (same lame transitions)
but who knows?

Maybe with an iMojo on the side?

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=334366844&mt=8

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Re: [Avid-L2] OL RED CENTRE PK

Big fan of Red Centre, actually. While it started as a talk about
red, these two goobers talk like the rest of us do over a beer...
often lapsing into super-nerd speak, and nattering on about some
obscure aspect of digital cinematography. If there's a new RC on my
iphone when I go out to walk the dog in the morning, it's always my
first choice, even over great podcasts like 'The Moth,' 'This American
Life,' and 'Radio Lab.'

Shows what a nerd I am. I don't even shoot these days, but still get
enthralled with ferahners talk about 'TVCs' and 'Docos.' (man, I
need to get out of the edit bay once in a while...)

gh
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On Oct 31, 2009, at 1:09 AM, IAN WILSON wrote:

> Worth a listen as they have talked with Ted Schilowitz about the new
> RED announcements, you can subscribe to the PK through iTunes, it's
> called REDCentre, or just go to their Websitehttp://www.fxguide.com/
> redcentre Its audio only and will even stream on your iPhone.
>
> Ian Wilson
> Colortape Productions
> Ian@colortape.tv
> 0418 327 082
> Via iPhone
>
>

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[Avid-L2] Re: OL RED CENTRE PK

Also info here:

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37011

and

http://red.cachefly.net/OctoberPost.jpg

As I expected, it shows that the Scarlet isn't anywhere close to ready. Even after being redesigned to compete with the HDSLRs it is having to be redesigned yet again. Looks like this release is targeting the higher-end users and trade-up RED One owners first.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Apple HDV Codec Field Order?

Hi Roger, I can confirm that Apple HDV is a mac only codec. It looks that
the problem is on the imported QT on mac, If that´s, I don´t know any way
to fix the scrambled fields inside avid. The color shift you might have if
you recapture using original tapes via HD-SDI depends on the setting that
where used on Mac Avid Import. Depending on the length of your sequence that
would be the best to do, but batch capturing HDV is not an easy task.
Hope this help.

Agustin Goya
WANCAMP | POST
+54-11-6545-2427
http://www.wancamp.com.ar/
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2339496/


On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Roger Shufflebottom
<rshuff@tiscali.co.uk>wrote:

>
>
> It's late here and I'm not too bright - not sure I can throw any light on
> it
> but Avid does expect Upper/Odd/Field 1 for HD AFAIK. There is one oddity I
> cam across in Avid (and it is deliberate) but it pertains to PAL DV. PAL DV
> is Lower while 'real' PAL video (D1) is Upper. If you export from an Avid
> DV25 PAL clip using the Avid codec, the fields are reversed (or they were
> in
> MC 2.7). I asked Greg Staen about this when he was still at Avid and he
> said
> that the industry standard was Upper therefore the codec exported as Upper
> (even though genuine PAL DV is Lower). I have no idea if this relates to
> your problem. Good luck.
>
> On 30/10/2009 18:01, "John Moore" <bigfish@pacbell.net<bigfish%40pacbell.net>>
> wrote:
>
> SNIP
>
> >
> > Here is my problem. A show was started in FCP then moved to Avid using
> Sebsky
> > tool. This was done on a Mac Avid. The media was brought in already
> imported
> > and then consolidated to the online Avid SN classic on PC. Almost if not
> all
> > the Sebsky'd clips have field order issues. It is my understanding
> through
> > bleery eyes that there is no PC QT codec for the Apple HDV, can someone
> > confirm this? The only way I could get to the original QTs was to open
> them
> > in QT pro on my macbook pro and export them as animation or Avid Packed
> > Codec. I could not use DNX because of backwards compatabiliy of the new
> DNX
> > codec to the old DNX on the symphony. I know that is just a download
> thing
> > and will suggest that fix for DNX. Once I've converted the QTs to a PC
> > friendly codec I found that they must be imported as lower field first to
> > avoid the field order issue I'm seeing. Is the Apple HDV codec really
> lower
> > field normally or is my need for conversion
> > causing a field order swap?
> >
> > Assuming the Sebsky tools conversion was done correctly will the source
> time
> > code reflected in the Avid timeline be an accurate to the original field
> > tapes? If so then I'm thinking it will be quicker to recapture of tape
> than
> > have to import the entire QT clips. Plus relinking the QT media seems to
> be
> > problematic due to the typical Avid imported media issues when trying to
> > relink or reconnect.
> >SNIP
> >
> > John Moore
> >
>
> +++
> With best wishes,
>
> Roger Shufflebottom
> Avid Certified Instructor
> http://www.bottom-line.tv
> Tel: +44 1992 535 031 (UK)
> Mobile: +44 7973 543 660
>
>
>


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[Avid-L2] OL RED CENTRE PK

Worth a listen as they have talked with Ted Schilowitz about the new
RED announcements, you can subscribe to the PK through iTunes, it's
called REDCentre, or just go to their Websitehttp://www.fxguide.com/
redcentre Its audio only and will even stream on your iPhone.

Ian Wilson
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Ian@colortape.tv
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Via iPhone


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[Avid-L2] OT: RedCine-X released

For both Mac and Windows, now in Beta.

http://www.red.com/support/release_history/2196541

cheers,
Bogdan Grigoresco
www.finale.tv

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Way back machine... quiz for the 'early adopters' over 50...

On Oct 30, 2009, at 10:48 PM, johnrobmoore wrote:

> Geez the 5800 was a super fancy front loader. Try VO-2850 and 60
> that had to be modifyed for Convergent ECS-90 control.


I',m sorry... too many bad memories just came rushing back and
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Friday, October 30, 2009

[Avid-L2] Re: Way back machine... quiz for the 'early adopters' over 50...

Geez the 5800 was a super fancy front loader. Try VO-2850 and 60 that had to be modifyed for Convergent ECS-90 control. The trick was to manually torque up the reverse play take up tension so it roughly matched the tentelometer reading of fwd play. Real subtle, bend the tension spring on the idler wheel thingy a couple notches tighter and voila you had better pre roll accuracy. At least that's what I convinced myself when I heard less ping ponging during edits. I too learned most of my time code knowledge analyzing the FLA mod boards to accommodate 3/4 tapes recorded without framing servos to properly align control track to time code/fields.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@...> wrote:
>
> I was about to say that I thought the 5800 was U-matic. Talk about a
> wayback machine...
>
> Reminds me of the time someone told me the deck wouldn't accept the
> size tape she had. Back then, there weren't that many tape sizes and I
> couldn't understand what size tape wouldn't fit in the deck... Turns
> out she was trying to load it before taking the tape out of its
> case... :-(
>
> On Oct 30, 2009, at 11:56 PM, Bouke wrote:
>
> > Dude,
> > That was U-matic.
> > (I've worked with those as well, and even type II, the whole reason
> > i've
> > developed a sick love for TC comes from those days..)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Way back machine... quiz for the 'early adopters' over 50...

I was about to say that I thought the 5800 was U-matic. Talk about a
wayback machine...

Reminds me of the time someone told me the deck wouldn't accept the
size tape she had. Back then, there weren't that many tape sizes and I
couldn't understand what size tape wouldn't fit in the deck... Turns
out she was trying to load it before taking the tape out of its
case... :-(

On Oct 30, 2009, at 11:56 PM, Bouke wrote:

> Dude,
> That was U-matic.
> (I've worked with those as well, and even type II, the whole reason
> i've
> developed a sick love for TC comes from those days..)


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Way back machine... quiz for the 'early adopters' over 50...

Dude,
That was U-matic.
(I've worked with those as well, and even type II, the whole reason i've
developed a sick love for TC comes from those days..)

Bouke

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Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Way back machine... quiz for the 'early adopters'
over 50...


> I'm very late on this threat. The industrial Betamax decks where pretty
> damn good. I learned to edit on them then (Gasp!) VO-5800's...
>
> TMcD
>


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Way back machine... quiz for the 'early adopters' over 50...

I'm very late on this threat. The industrial Betamax decks where pretty damn good. I learned to edit on them then (Gasp!) VO-5800's...

TMcD


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Re: [Avid-L2] OT very OT Bragging again...

I don't know. It may have kind of a Gene Rodenberry, "7 of 9" feel to
it! Sorry for the Trekkie reference. I cut STNG promos for years.


On Oct 30, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Quinatwork@aol.com wrote:

> Since I live on a numbered street, it REALLY doesn't work.
>
> Q
>
> Quinton Lee, MIS
> Q.A. Lee Consulting
> Helping People and Technology Work Together
>
> In a message dated 10/30/2009 5:25:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> Greg@SecretHQ.com writes:
>
> I understood that your porn name was supposed to be your middle name
> and the street on which you live.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: OT very OT Bragging again...

Isn't it strange how those two facts are also common online banking
"secret questions".

I smell something phishy...

---
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Terence Curren <tcurren@aol.com> wrote:
> First pet and street you grew up on.


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Re: [Avid-L2] OT very OT Bragging again...

Since I live on a numbered street, it REALLY doesn't work.

Q

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In a message dated 10/30/2009 5:25:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Greg@SecretHQ.com writes:

I understood that your porn name was supposed to be your middle name
and the street on which you live.


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: OT very OT Bragging again...

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 8:34 PM, johnrobmoore <bigfish@pacbell.net> wrote:

> We've been through this before. Just call me "Muffy Rohr"
>
>
Guess I was in touch with my feminine side.....

"Rusty Mary"


Joe Womble


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Way back machine... quiz for the 'early adopters' over 50...

Okay, the CONSUMER models never did. Them things at DARPA even made coffee.
=:-o

Quin

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In a message dated 10/30/2009 11:34:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
a_pmb_fan@yahoo.com writes:

When I was stationed at the Pentagon back in the 90's we had 3 LD
recorders. Never got used because the blank discs were $75 each.
Rick Emery
www.rickemery.com


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To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 10:03:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Way back machine... quiz for the 'early
adopters' over 50...


No the LD doesn't record, none of them did that. I have a Sony DVR with a
DVD recorder built-in. So I just select the Beta on the Pioneer receiver
and
dub away. I have done some LD to DVD transfers for folks that don't have
LD players, but own Japanese releases of stuff that never made it here.

The Beta used to look pretty good on my old XBR and HSR sets. But on my
XBR-970 it looks really ugly. Still better than VHS, but ugly.

I used to have a 8mm deck, but it succumbed to the dreaded Sony capacitor
disease. RIP

Quinton Lee, MIS
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In a message dated 10/28/2009 6:17:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
DennyD1@verizon. net writes:

Your laserdisc player can record DVD's?!? I can't do that with mine!
hehe . . . . .
(I forgot to mention previously that I also have an LD player, one the
last and best of those as well, a Pioneer CLD-3090). Welcome to my
home video museum.

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[Avid-L2] Re: OT very OT Bragging again...

We've been through this before. Just call me "Muffy Rohr"

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Terence Curren" <tcurren@...> wrote:
>
> First pet and street you grew up on.
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Greg Huson <Greg@> wrote:
> >
> > I understood that your porn name was supposed to be your middle name
> > and the street on which you live. I have die for friend named Mary
> > Margret, who lives on thatcher. This may explain why she's never
> > chosen to work in adult entertainment.
> >
> > Greg (at) secrethq.com
> > Greg Huson
> > Secret Headquarters, Inc
> > www.DigitalServiceStation.com
> > www.SecretHQ.com
> > iPhone
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 30, 2009, at 12:10 PM, sueperla@ wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > oh no, we are veering into dirty waters....
> > > --
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message from Multimediac <mr_ree_mann@
> > > >: --------------
> > >
> > > Is "Gentlemen Broncos" Alpha Dogs' porn name? Mine is Shane Lynnwood.
> > >
> > > I'd prefer Hugh Jorgen...
> > >
> > > ____________________
> > >
> > > My porn name is Slutty Kutz.
> > > : )
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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[Avid-L2] Re: Bragging again...bragging even more WAY OFF TOPIC

Ahh, but I didn't grow up in any of those places....

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@...> wrote:
>
> I've got $10 bucks that says there's a Broncos Street in Denver!
>
> Let's see what Google has to say:
>
> Sure enough! There's a Broncos Street in Arapahoe, Colorado, Burleson,
> Texas, Bedford, PA and Hamilton, Indiana!
>
> On Oct 30, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Terence Curren wrote:
>
> > Broncos st. ?
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Is "Gentlemen Broncos" Alpha Dogs' porn name? Mine is Shane
> > Lynnwood.
> > > I'd prefer Hugh Jorgen...
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Bragging again...bragging even more WAY OFF TOPIC

I've got $10 bucks that says there's a Broncos Street in Denver!

Let's see what Google has to say:

Sure enough! There's a Broncos Street in Arapahoe, Colorado, Burleson,
Texas, Bedford, PA and Hamilton, Indiana!

On Oct 30, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Terence Curren wrote:

> Broncos st. ?
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@...>
> wrote:
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> > Is "Gentlemen Broncos" Alpha Dogs' porn name? Mine is Shane
> Lynnwood.
> > I'd prefer Hugh Jorgen...


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[Avid-L2] Re: [Commercia]: Adrenaline HD DNA's for sale

The Mojo package, yes. I don't think Avid sells Classic Nitris anymore. AFAIK it is already EOL or will be by year end.


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> From Avid?
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> >
> >
> > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > <<What do you think? $4K for a complete system? Maybe $6K?>>
> >
> >
> > Well, you can buy a Mojo DX with MC software for 5K right now. I can also get Symphony Classic with an XW8400 for 8K. So......
> >
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Re: [Avid-L2] Bragging again...bragging even more

Is "Gentlemen Broncos" Alpha Dogs' porn name? Mine is Shane Lynnwood.

I'd prefer Hugh Jorgen...

____________________

My porn name is Slutty Kutz.
: )


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[Avid-L2] Re: [Commercia]: Adrenaline HD DNA's for sale

From Avid?

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>
>
> --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hullfish <steve4lists@> wrote:
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>
> <<What do you think? $4K for a complete system? Maybe $6K?>>
>
>
> Well, you can buy a Mojo DX with MC software for 5K right now. I can also get Symphony Classic with an XW8400 for 8K. So......
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[Avid-L2] Re: OT: Rugged Lav Mics

And Jim when you venture into the seedy "Miker Bar" I take it you'd buddy up to a 635A for protection. I know I would. Hey since I called the RE-50 a "Ballet Dancer Floating in the Breeze" and got flack from the best dancer I know on this list perhaps there is a connection here? I'm not passing any judgement but I'm just saying, "Mics of a feather...."

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> On 10/29/09 3:13 PM, "Wilson Chao" <wilsonchao@...> wrote:
> >
> > WTF??? Dunno why folks are sayin' the 635 is "the hammer" compared to
> > the RE-50 being "a delicate ballet dancer". The RE-50 consists of a
> > 635 wrapped in a bit of foam and stuffed into a second outer metal
> > case. It's the RUGGEDIZED 635. Take an RE-50, unscrew the
> > head/windscreen, and peek inside - there's your 635 hiding in plain
> > sight.
>
>
> The RE-50 has an aluminum case. The 635 has a steel case. Both are
> exceedingly rugged mics. But if I had to choose one to break apart ice that
> froze around a submerged car, or as a pulley to help lift said car out of a
> frozen river, then I¹d chose the 635.
>
> Jim
> --
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>
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Bragging again

Terry:
Congratulations to you and your team and Alpha Dogs...During this rough economic time, staying busy is a good thing...and kudos to YOU for being savy and keeping work in your dog house. Alpha Dogs has a good talent pool.
best,
Susan Perla
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[Avid-L2] Apple HDV Codec Field Order?

I would like to start by thanking the Apple engineer who came up with the Apple "only" HDV codec.  How could you know that after a week of double shifts I wanted to stay at work till 5:30 am sorting out field order issues on a PC Avid SN classic.  Can someone tell me why the import field order into an Avid needs to be even not odd (which is the opposite of what most HD graphics are etc....)  If a qt is in the Apple HDV codec does that mean it was captured into FCP native through firewire?

Here is my problem.  A show was started in FCP then moved to Avid using Sebsky tool.  This was done on a Mac Avid.  The media was brought in already imported and then consolidated to the online Avid SN classic on PC.  Almost if not all the Sebsky'd clips have field order issues.  It is my understanding through bleery eyes that there is no PC QT codec for the Apple HDV, can someone confirm this?  The only way I could get to the original QTs was to open them in QT pro on my macbook pro and export them as animation or Avid Packed Codec.  I could not use DNX because of backwards compatabiliy of the new DNX codec to the old DNX on the symphony.  I know that is just a download thing and will suggest that fix for DNX.  Once I've converted the QTs to a PC friendly codec I found that they must be imported as lower field first to avoid the field order issue I'm seeing.  Is the Apple HDV codec really lower field normally or is my need for conversion
causing a field order swap?

Assuming the Sebsky tools conversion was done correctly will the source  time code reflected in the Avid timeline be an accurate to the original field tapes?  If so then I'm thinking it will be quicker to recapture of tape than have to import the entire QT clips.  Plus relinking the QT media seems to be problematic due to the typical Avid imported media issues when trying to relink or reconnect.

Lastly could anyone speculate on what video level differences I might expect if we do recapture off tape.  I can only imagine that the trip through QT import will yield different levels that a capture SDI off tape.  Hopefully that will be small sense I've already color corrected the show with the imported media.

Sorry for all the questions I haven't slept much in a week do to double shifts so I'm a little more frazzled tha usual.  TIA   I'm cross posting to both L's for advice.

John Moore

Barking Trout Productions

Studio City, CA

bigfish@pacbell.net

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