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Friday, January 12, 2018

Re: [Avid-L2] 30p clips at 29.97p

 

Thanks for help John!

It gets a bit confusing because there is some ambiguity in the wording in the box in transcoding.

There's either "keep source's frame rate" and "convert to project frame rate."

If I have changed the playback speed on a linked clip from 30p to 29.97p in the source settings, do I want to "keep source's frame rate"? Is the new frame rate considered now the "source frame rate"? (In the bin it stays 30p.)

If i check "convert to project frame rate" will it do the typical conversion of 30p to 29.97p losing frames or will it do what I am looking for, a frame for frame conversion of 30p to 29.97p?

The answer: 

We ran the test with a 25p clip changed to 29.97p playback speed and then transcoded at either setting.

The duration of the clip stayed the same as the original when we clicked "keep source's frame rate" and the clip was shorter when we clicked "convert to project frame rate" which should happen if it is frame for frame conversion.

So it does seem like the combination of changing the source playback rate in source settings and then "convert to project frame rate" in transcode gets me where I am want to go...

I only have dealt with this as video. Anyone know if audio stays in sync or does it develop artifacts?





On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, at 2:27 PM, John Pale wrote:
You have the option to bake in the new frame rate or leave it via a check box in the transcode dialog.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:19 PM Dan McCabe danlist@bestmail.us [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 


Thanks for the help Mark.

What is the best way to bake that in and move away from the linked file? If I transcode will it respect the change in speed so that the new clip is a 29.97p file? Or do I need to export and bring the new file back in?





On Thu, Jan 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Mark Spano wrote:
Open your 29.97 project.
Link the clip.
Right-click it in the bin and choose Source Settings.
Under playback, you can tell it to play at 29.97 instead of 30.

easy…


On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Dan McCabe danlist@bestmail.us [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 


Dear Mavens,

In the past when I have received stock or animations at 30p I have put them through Cinema Tools and directly changed the speed of the file to 29.97 fps to avoid any bumps on playback. (I've also done that with 25p stock if there was a move so that it is smoother though faster.)

An editor was suggesting that the same net effect is achieved by bringing in a shot into a 30p Avid project and then opening the clip in a 29.97 project. Is that really the case? Does the Avid play back the 30p at 29.97 fps, frame for frame? Or does the 29.97 project eventually drop a frame from the clip to keep the 30p in sync?

Thanks,

Dan








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Re: [Avid-L2] 30p clips at 29.97p

 

The places where I have mostly seen the problem are in animations rendered out at 30 fps placed in a 29.97 project. If there is motion there will be bump where the dropped frames are. Occasionally I get stock that says that it is 30p as well.


On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Mark Spano cutandcover@gmail.com [Avid-L2] wrote:
 


Yeah, that's not accurate. There can be video at any frame rate, period. 30.0 and 29..97 are NOT interchangeable. And it does cause problems when you're trying to use one in the other's timeline. If you put a 30.0 clip into a 29.97 timeline, Media Composer will attempt to conform the speed of the source clip to the new timeline by DROPPING FRAMES on the order of 1 frame every thousand or whatever. You may never have seen it do this but I definitely have. Always conform the clip before putting it into a timeline so you don't lose frames (losing a frame looks bad).

You may be thinking of baseband video. And in our history, there was only 25 and 29.97. But that was quite a long time ago. You can certainly make 30.0 baseband video and send it over SDI to a compatible display and have it be 30.0 on the display. So it always pays to be very specific and don't take for granted that some software is just going to handle it for you.


On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 4:00 PM, tod hoplist@hillmanncarr.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

This distinction should be meaningless since there is no such thing as true 30fps video and never has been AFAIK. "30fps" video is "29.97" in the real world. Modern applications have mostly dropped the distinction or use the two terms interchangeably. Avid's legacy might argue for retaining the distinction, but does anyone know of any current real world situation where specifying "30fps" for video will actually cause a significant problem at some point in the process?


In olden times this distinction mattered to when recording crystal-sync double-system analog, and probably still does if anyone still has this equipment, but in modern processes?

Cheers,
               tod


On Jan 12, 2018, at 2:27 PM, John Pale pale.edit@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



You have the option to bake in the new frame rate or leave it via a check box in the transcode dialog.


On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:19 PM Dan McCabe danlist@bestmail.us [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 


Thanks for the help Mark..


What is the best way to bake that in and move away from the linked file? If I transcode will it respect the change in speed so that the new clip is a 29.97p file? Or do I need to export and bring the new file back in?






On Thu, Jan 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Mark Spano wrote:
Open your 29.97 project.
Link the clip.
Right-click it in the bin and choose Source Settings.
Under playback, you can tell it to play at 29.97 instead of 30.

easy…


On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Dan McCabe danlist@bestmail.us [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Dear Mavens,

In the past when I have received stock or animations at 30p I have put them through Cinema Tools and directly changed the speed of the file to 29.97 fps to avoid any bumps on playback... (I've also done that with 25p stock if there was a move so that it is smoother though faster.)

An editor was suggesting that the same net effect is achieved by bringing in a shot into a 30p Avid project and then opening the clip in a 29.97 project. Is that really the case? Does the Avid play back the 30p at 29.97 fps, frame for frame? Or does the 29.97 project eventually drop a frame from the clip to keep the 30p in sync? 

Thanks,

Dan

















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Re: [Avid-L2] 30p clips at 29.97p

 

Yeah, that's not accurate. There can be video at any frame rate, period. 30.0 and 29.97 are NOT interchangeable. And it does cause problems when you're trying to use one in the other's timeline. If you put a 30.0 clip into a 29.97 timeline, Media Composer will attempt to conform the speed of the source clip to the new timeline by DROPPING FRAMES on the order of 1 frame every thousand or whatever. You may never have seen it do this but I definitely have. Always conform the clip before putting it into a timeline so you don't lose frames (losing a frame looks bad).

You may be thinking of baseband video. And in our history, there was only 25 and 29.97. But that was quite a long time ago. You can certainly make 30.0 baseband video and send it over SDI to a compatible display and have it be 30.0 on the display. So it always pays to be very specific and don't take for granted that some software is just going to handle it for you.


On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 4:00 PM, tod hoplist@hillmanncarr.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

This distinction should be meaningless since there is no such thing as true 30fps video and never has been AFAIK. "30fps" video is "29.97" in the real world. Modern applications have mostly dropped the distinction or use the two terms interchangeably. Avid's legacy might argue for retaining the distinction, but does anyone know of any current real world situation where specifying "30fps" for video will actually cause a significant problem at some point in the process?


In olden times this distinction mattered to when recording crystal-sync double-system analog, and probably still does if anyone still has this equipment, but in modern processes?

Cheers,
               tod

On Jan 12, 2018, at 2:27 PM, John Pale pale.edit@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


You have the option to bake in the new frame rate or leave it via a check box in the transcode dialog.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:19 PM Dan McCabe danlist@bestmail.us [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Thanks for the help Mark..

What is the best way to bake that in and move away from the linked file? If I transcode will it respect the change in speed so that the new clip is a 29.97p file? Or do I need to export and bring the new file back in?




On Thu, Jan 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Mark Spano wrote:
Open your 29.97 project.
Link the clip.
Right-click it in the bin and choose Source Settings.
Under playback, you can tell it to play at 29.97 instead of 30.

easy…


On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Dan McCabe danlist@bestmail.us [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Dear Mavens,

In the past when I have received stock or animations at 30p I have put them through Cinema Tools and directly changed the speed of the file to 29.97 fps to avoid any bumps on playback.. (I've also done that with 25p stock if there was a move so that it is smoother though faster.)

An editor was suggesting that the same net effect is achieved by bringing in a shot into a 30p Avid project and then opening the clip in a 29.97 project. Is that really the case? Does the Avid play back the 30p at 29.97 fps, frame for frame? Or does the 29.97 project eventually drop a frame from the clip to keep the 30p in sync? 

Thanks,

Dan









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Re: [Avid-L2] 30p clips at 29.97p

 

This distinction should be meaningless since there is no such thing as true 30fps video and never has been AFAIK. "30fps" video is "29.97" in the real world. Modern applications have mostly dropped the distinction or use the two terms interchangeably. Avid's legacy might argue for retaining the distinction, but does anyone know of any current real world situation where specifying "30fps" for video will actually cause a significant problem at some point in the process?


In olden times this distinction mattered to when recording crystal-sync double-system analog, and probably still does if anyone still has this equipment, but in modern processes?

Cheers,
               tod

On Jan 12, 2018, at 2:27 PM, John Pale pale.edit@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


You have the option to bake in the new frame rate or leave it via a check box in the transcode dialog.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:19 PM Dan McCabe danlist@bestmail.us [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Thanks for the help Mark..

What is the best way to bake that in and move away from the linked file? If I transcode will it respect the change in speed so that the new clip is a 29.97p file? Or do I need to export and bring the new file back in?




On Thu, Jan 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Mark Spano wrote:
Open your 29.97 project.
Link the clip.
Right-click it in the bin and choose Source Settings.
Under playback, you can tell it to play at 29.97 instead of 30.

easy…


On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Dan McCabe danlist@bestmail.us [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Dear Mavens,

In the past when I have received stock or animations at 30p I have put them through Cinema Tools and directly changed the speed of the file to 29.97 fps to avoid any bumps on playback. (I've also done that with 25p stock if there was a move so that it is smoother though faster.)

An editor was suggesting that the same net effect is achieved by bringing in a shot into a 30p Avid project and then opening the clip in a 29.97 project. Is that really the case? Does the Avid play back the 30p at 29.97 fps, frame for frame? Or does the 29.97 project eventually drop a frame from the clip to keep the 30p in sync? 

Thanks,

Dan








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[Avid-L2] Re: Issues Activating BCC V. 11.0.2

 

I got a hold of Boris support and it turns out that the alphanumeric code I have is for BCC V.10.  Given I purchased my BCC upgrade last NAB and BCC 11 was anounced at that time I qualify for it but they will have to issue me a new code.  Apparently there are no letters in the new activation codes.



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MacPro Mid 2012 12 Core 64GB Ram.  Mac OS 10.12.5, Avid MC 10.9.4.  I installed BCC 11.0.2 and I have a valid activation code for 3 seats of BCC 10.  When I purchased the 3 seats of upgrade from Boris last NAB time I was told that I qualified for BCC 11 when it came out.  At the same time I signed up for a year of Sapphire Support to my existing Sapphire license. 

I finally got around to upgrading things today and the sapphire works with the sapphire code I was given and the sapphire dongle I have so no problem there.  When I try to copy and paste the separate activation code I was given in the the activation key field for BCC 11.0.2 it won't work.  Nothing will paste in.  I can manually type in numbers to the field but no letters.  My activation code has letters and numbers in it plus a "-".  I have restarted the computer but nothing changed in this behavior.  I will contact Boris support tomorrow but I'm curious if anyone else has run into this activation snag.  The BCC effects seem to be working with the overlay of trial version so it would appear that the installation went okay.

At first on installing I tried to enter my activation code during the install but for the above mentioned reason it didn't work.  Now with BCC 11.0.2 installed I go into general controls to access the license info and I have the same problem.  I'm sure Boris will straighten it out tomorrow but curious if anyone has had this happen to them.  Just when I thought things couldn't get any wonkier.
 
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Re: [Avid-L2] 30p clips at 29.97p

 

You have the option to bake in the new frame rate or leave it via a check box in the transcode dialog.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:19 PM Dan McCabe danlist@bestmail.us [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Thanks for the help Mark.

What is the best way to bake that in and move away from the linked file? If I transcode will it respect the change in speed so that the new clip is a 29.97p file? Or do I need to export and bring the new file back in?



On Thu, Jan 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Mark Spano wrote:
Open your 29.97 project.
Link the clip.
Right-click it in the bin and choose Source Settings.
Under playback, you can tell it to play at 29.97 instead of 30.

easy…


On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Dan McCabe danlist@bestmail.us [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Dear Mavens,

In the past when I have received stock or animations at 30p I have put them through Cinema Tools and directly changed the speed of the file to 29.97 fps to avoid any bumps on playback. (I've also done that with 25p stock if there was a move so that it is smoother though faster.)

An editor was suggesting that the same net effect is achieved by bringing in a shot into a 30p Avid project and then opening the clip in a 29.97 project. Is that really the case? Does the Avid play back the 30p at 29.97 fps, frame for frame? Or does the 29.97 project eventually drop a frame from the clip to keep the 30p in sync?

Thanks,

Dan



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Re: [Avid-L2] 30p clips at 29.97p

 

Thanks for the help Mark.

What is the best way to bake that in and move away from the linked file? If I transcode will it respect the change in speed so that the new clip is a 29.97p file? Or do I need to export and bring the new file back in?


On Thu, Jan 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Mark Spano wrote:
Open your 29.97 project.
Link the clip.
Right-click it in the bin and choose Source Settings.
Under playback, you can tell it to play at 29.97 instead of 30.

easy…


On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Dan McCabe danlist@bestmail.us [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Dear Mavens,

In the past when I have received stock or animations at 30p I have put them through Cinema Tools and directly changed the speed of the file to 29.97 fps to avoid any bumps on playback. (I've also done that with 25p stock if there was a move so that it is smoother though faster.)

An editor was suggesting that the same net effect is achieved by bringing in a shot into a 30p Avid project and then opening the clip in a 29.97 project. Is that really the case? Does the Avid play back the 30p at 29.97 fps, frame for frame? Or does the 29.97 project eventually drop a frame from the clip to keep the 30p in sync?

Thanks,

Dan



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