Re: [Avid-L2] Huge closed caption conform task - ugh!

Keep in mind that sometimes SCC tc is zero based (TC assuming file start is 00:00:00;00), sometimes it's relative to the actual TC of the video file.

For the job at hand, I would think some more automating would be in order.

First, I cannot find HULU specs for content. (I can for ads, but I 'think' that's different, and what I can find is too simple to be true.)

If the TC of the captions is relative to video TC, and video start TC is free, you only have to trim the video to omit the leader / trailer (no clue what 'textless' means.), while upping the start TC.

Otherwise, the new SCC offset / fixer tool will do the job. (And fast. I'm making a newer version today.)

If you have a huge library of files, and there is 'some' logic, I can automate the whole shebang.

For most parts  I've already made tools, but they might need some customising for this particular job.

- Captions is discussed

- If the audio levels need attention (probably), my LoudnessChange can take care of it.  *

- For removing leader / trailer, use 'Trimmer'  **

* LoudnessChange (in it's current form) is intended to do QC / alter levels /ut  create deliverables conform specs. It has become quite versatile, based on requests from a major audio post house over here.

But it can also output video in-betweens, (that I can customize / make it user customisable), or have it spit out corrections 'todo' to a database / csv.)

** Trimmer is intended to 'consolidate' MoCap video assist files. So it will trim / transcode. This will work for 'other' content as well of course.

Now it's based on a CSV / Excel (that is easy to generate), but it will be a breeze to add something  'remove X from start / Y from end'

What does not (yet) exists, but can be made is de-interlacing.

If your files are old, they might be interlaced, partly interlaced or progressive while in an interlaced container.

If you know all is interlaced, it's easy for me to de-interlace the whole shebang.

But, sometimes files are partly interlaced. (Doc style work for TV, shot progressive but have interlaced archive footage, either trough pulldown or source being interlaced shot.)

I could write something that scans the files and will de-interlace only the parts needed.

Same goes for content shot 24 / 23.976 and has pulldown.

If the entire show has pulldown, you definitly want to remove that instead of de-interlacing.

All in all, for projects of this magnitude it WILL pay off to have / hire a coder to automate stuff.

Bouke

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On 2 Jul 2021, at 16:54, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Oooo, this will be a helpful tool.  I know that in the past we have had occasion where different delivery requirements had us redoing a lot of stuff because some places want program to start at 0 hour and some want it to start at hour 1; some want leaders, some to not; and so forth.

Thank you very much for making that tool.

Jay

On Jul 2, 2021, at 1:43 AM, bouke <bouke@editb.nl> wrote:

A bit late at the party…

I can probably make something that does an offset on SCC (in batch)

(I have done it years ago, but that code is ancient and won't run on Catalina / Big Sur)

It's quite easy. The SCC has human readable TC's, while the layout / command / text data is in gibberish (you need a matrix to decode), and that has some form of checksum IIRC.

Send me a couple and I'll have a look.

Also, trimming X seconds from top / tail and convert to another codec is very easy to automate too.

Bouke

www.VideoToolShed.com
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On 1 Jul 2021, at 06:25, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Well dang !!!  I had no idea.  I'm so use to using SubCap that I had no notion that you could directly import scc files.  I was able to lay them in agains picture, trim the tracks, and export it back out and it seems to work.  Now to send it off to Roku and see what they say.

Thank you very much for the word.

Jay

On Jun 30, 2021, at 6:01 AM, Bob via groups.io <Bob=russo.studio@groups.io> wrote:

Media Composer can import a .scc file and create a data track. The issue is it will only be SD, not very useful. Drastic Tech ccConvert can flip this to an AAF to be imported into Media Composer.

Re: [Avid-L2] Huge closed caption conform task - ugh!

Oooo, this will be a helpful tool.  I know that in the past we have had occasion where different delivery requirements had us redoing a lot of stuff because some places want program to start at 0 hour and some want it to start at hour 1; some want leaders, some to not; and so forth.

Thank you very much for making that tool.

Jay

On Jul 2, 2021, at 1:43 AM, bouke <bouke@editb.nl> wrote:

A bit late at the party…

I can probably make something that does an offset on SCC (in batch)

(I have done it years ago, but that code is ancient and won't run on Catalina / Big Sur)

It's quite easy. The SCC has human readable TC's, while the layout / command / text data is in gibberish (you need a matrix to decode), and that has some form of checksum IIRC.

Send me a couple and I'll have a look.

Also, trimming X seconds from top / tail and convert to another codec is very easy to automate too.

Bouke

www.VideoToolShed.com
van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
6512 AS  Nijmegen
+31 6 21817248
To send files, go here:
https://videotoolshed.wetransfer.com/

On 1 Jul 2021, at 06:25, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Well dang !!!  I had no idea.  I'm so use to using SubCap that I had no notion that you could directly import scc files.  I was able to lay them in agains picture, trim the tracks, and export it back out and it seems to work.  Now to send it off to Roku and see what they say.

Thank you very much for the word.

Jay

On Jun 30, 2021, at 6:01 AM, Bob via groups.io <Bob=russo.studio@groups.io> wrote:

Media Composer can import a .scc file and create a data track. The issue is it will only be SD, not very useful. Drastic Tech ccConvert can flip this to an AAF to be imported into Media Composer.

Re: [Avid-L2] Huge closed caption conform task - ugh!

A bit late at the party…

I can probably make something that does an offset on SCC (in batch)

(I have done it years ago, but that code is ancient and won't run on Catalina / Big Sur)

It's quite easy. The SCC has human readable TC's, while the layout / command / text data is in gibberish (you need a matrix to decode), and that has some form of checksum IIRC.

Send me a couple and I'll have a look.

Also, trimming X seconds from top / tail and convert to another codec is very easy to automate too.

Bouke

www.VideoToolShed.com
van Oldenbarneveltstraat 33
6512 AS  Nijmegen
+31 6 21817248
To send files, go here:
https://videotoolshed.wetransfer.com/

On 1 Jul 2021, at 06:25, Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Well dang !!!  I had no idea.  I'm so use to using SubCap that I had no notion that you could directly import scc files.  I was able to lay them in agains picture, trim the tracks, and export it back out and it seems to work.  Now to send it off to Roku and see what they say.

Thank you very much for the word.

Jay

On Jun 30, 2021, at 6:01 AM, Bob via groups.io <Bob=russo.studio@groups.io> wrote:

Media Composer can import a .scc file and create a data track. The issue is it will only be SD, not very useful. Drastic Tech ccConvert can flip this to an AAF to be imported into Media Composer.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Huge closed caption conform task - ugh!

Well dang !!!  I had no idea.  I'm so use to using SubCap that I had no notion that you could directly import scc files.  I was able to lay them in agains picture, trim the tracks, and export it back out and it seems to work.  Now to send it off to Roku and see what they say.

Thank you very much for the word.

Jay

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Media Composer can import a .scc file and create a data track. The issue is it will only be SD, not very useful. Drastic Tech ccConvert can flip this to an AAF to be imported into Media Composer.

Re: [Avid-L2] Huge closed caption conform task - ugh!

Media Composer can import a .scc file and create a data track. The issue is it will only be SD, not very useful. Drastic Tech ccConvert can flip this to an AAF to be imported into Media Composer.

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No, you have it right.  You drag the SRT into the media bin.  Then from there you drag it onto the timeline and it because a new track.  The trick is to know where the first title comes up.  You park your timeline bar at that TC and have the first title snap to it.  Then each title is a discrete event on the timeline.  …. good times …

Jay

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How does Resolve handle the imported SRT?  Does it become an actual track?  I played around with closed captioning data into Resolve a while back but I don't remember how the closed captions ended up in the timeline.  If memory serves they become there own timeline track that is a special caption track.  Is that the workflow?  IIRC once the track was cut into the timeline you could see the captioning if you monitored the caption track, or was it some other way that enables viewing the captions?

Re: [Avid-L2] Huge closed caption conform task - ugh!

How does Resolve handle the imported SRT?  Does it become an actual track?  I played around with closed captioning data into Resolve a while back but I don't remember how the closed captions ended up in the timeline.  If memory serves they become there own timeline track that is a special caption track.  Is that the workflow?  IIRC once the track was cut into the timeline you could see the captioning if you monitored the caption track, or was it some other way that enables viewing the captions?

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So, I think I may have worked out a process; well, so far.  I found a site that I can convert from SCC to SRT.  And then in Resolve I can import that file and lay it against the unedited program.  Do my editing to remove slate and commercial breaks, etc.  Then render out the program in the requested ProRes.  The final step I need to test is exporting the conformed subtitle track as XML and converting that back over to SCC.  

(grumble grumble grumble) - I'm getting too old for this shit.

Jay

On Jun 29, 2021, at 2:36 PM, Mark Spano <cutandcover@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Jay,

Maybe this will work for you:

https://www.nikse.dk/subtitleedit/online#

It is possible that this is what you already looked at. I am unsure that generic subtitle files are anything but absolute time, and just get converted in the editing application. So you may have some luck pushing them through here.

When I was thinking about getting into captioning last, I found that the Cinedeck Tools looked fantastic at a lower price than the MacCaption I'd previously considered. The tutorial videos really look like you can dig in and also export and embed at ease. Still expensive though…

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 2:47 PM Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

To Bouke and the Avid-L2 collective…

I have been tasked with taking the content library of a defunct cable channel and re-conforming it for Hulu.  The source content has traditional slate/leaders, 10sec commercial black, and textless on tail.  Hulu spec say no no no to all of that. 

Picture wise this isn't that big of a deal.  BUT… all the closed caption is timed to the program files with slates and commercial black included.  And I need to figure out what will be the least painful way to conform all of that.

The closed caption files are in .SCC format.  Of course Avid doesn't like SCC.  I found an online converter, but it apparently doesn't support DFTC.

Does anyone know of a good SCC to STL or Avid DS conversion tool?  Paid or free.  That will actually work?

Or are there other tools or workflows that would be easier than bringing into Media Composer, editing the timeline, and exporting?


Thank you,
Jay

Re: [Avid-L2] Huge closed caption conform task - ugh!

Hi Jay,

Maybe this will work for you:

https://www.nikse.dk/subtitleedit/online#

It is possible that this is what you already looked at. I am unsure that generic subtitle files are anything but absolute time, and just get converted in the editing application. So you may have some luck pushing them through here.

When I was thinking about getting into captioning last, I found that the Cinedeck Tools looked fantastic at a lower price than the MacCaption I'd previously considered. The tutorial videos really look like you can dig in and also export and embed at ease. Still expensive though…

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 2:47 PM Jay Mahavier via groups.io <jay_mahavier=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

To Bouke and the Avid-L2 collective…

I have been tasked with taking the content library of a defunct cable channel and re-conforming it for Hulu.  The source content has traditional slate/leaders, 10sec commercial black, and textless on tail.  Hulu spec say no no no to all of that. 

Picture wise this isn't that big of a deal.  BUT… all the closed caption is timed to the program files with slates and commercial black included.  And I need to figure out what will be the least painful way to conform all of that.

The closed caption files are in .SCC format.  Of course Avid doesn't like SCC.  I found an online converter, but it apparently doesn't support DFTC.

Does anyone know of a good SCC to STL or Avid DS conversion tool?  Paid or free.  That will actually work?

Or are there other tools or workflows that would be easier than bringing into Media Composer, editing the timeline, and exporting?


Thank you,
Jay

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To Bouke and the Avid-L2 collective…

I have been tasked with taking the content library of a defunct cable channel and re-conforming it for Hulu. The source content has traditional slate/leaders, 10sec commercial black, and textless on tail. Hulu spec say no no no to all of that.

Picture wise this isn't that big of a deal. BUT… all the closed caption is timed to the program files with slates and commercial black included. And I need to figure out what will be the least painful way to conform all of that.

The closed caption files are in .SCC format. Of course Avid doesn't like SCC. I found an online converter, but it apparently doesn't support DFTC.

Does anyone know of a good SCC to STL or Avid DS conversion tool? Paid or free. That will actually work?

Or are there other tools or workflows that would be easier than bringing into Media Composer, editing the timeline, and exporting?


Thank you,
Jay

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• Куплю качественные ссылки на Ваш сайт с других сайтов, для увеличения ссылочной массы на Ваш сайт. Это нужно чтобы поисковые роботы видели, что на Ваш сайт также ссылаются и другие сайты. И за счет качественных ссылок с хорошими ссылочными показателями, Яндекс и Гугл будут поднимать Ваш сайт выше в поиске, чем конкурентов, которые не занимаются покупкой качественных ссылок. Или покупают их на различных биржах, где массово продают ссылки, что не позволит увеличить ссылочные показатели. Я покупаю все ссылки только в ручную и на проверенных сайтах, которые уже дали эффективность для других сайтов клиентов.

Стоимость и сроки продвижения сайта

 

• Стоимость всей работы по оптимизации и продвижения сайта составляет 3000 рублей (40$)/месяц (в нее входит: сбор ключевых фраз, анализ сайта, исправление ошибок, оптимизация, поиск и покупка ссылок). Ежемесячно будет проводиться проверка, замена и продление ссылок, отчет о результатах и росте позиций.

 

• Стоимость 1 качественной арендной ссылки в среднем 100 рублей(1.5$ )/месяц. Рекомендую покупать от 50 до 100 ссылок на 1 сайт всего за все время. Так как сейчас важно не кол-во ссылок а их качество и ссылочный вес. Покупаю все ссылки только в ручную на проверенных сайтах, которые не продают ссылки на биржах.

 

• Сроки продвижения в среднем от 5 до 7 месяцев. Зависит от конкуренции тематики и от самого сайта, занимались ли им ранее и какой возраст сайта, история домена и чистота ip и соседство на одном ip. Буду очень рад сотрудничать с Вами, всегда есть возможность договориться по телефону или в переписке.

С уважением Aleksandr, SEO-специалист в области оптимизации и продвижения сайтов.

Мой Skype для быстрой связи: mayboroda_aleks

Предложение

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Какие преимущества при работе со мной

 

• Оплата по факту выполненных работ. Вам не нужно рисковать и делать предоплату, Вы будете платить только после сделанной мною работы и проверке.

 

• Результаты в виде роста позиций будут видны уже через месяц. Это позволит быстрее оценить качество услуг и принять решение о продолжении сотрудничества.

 

• Есть примеры успешных работ, что также позволит оценить качество услуг.

 

• Стоимость услуг в 3 раза ниже, чем аналогичные услуги стоят у seo-компаний. Так как я работаю сам не в компании.

 

• Продвижение сайта – это самый эффективный способ за минимальное кол-во денег получить максимум целевой аудитории и заказов. Никакая реклама и прочие методы не позволяют получать за такие деньги столько регулярной аудитории и заказов.

 

• Платите только 5-7 месяцев, далее сайт и так будет в топ-3. Вы будете регулярно получать целевой трафик на сайт и заказы, и ничего за это не придется платить. Это очень сильно отличает от рекламы, от которой вы постоянно зависите. Так как если перестать платить за рекламу, перестанут приходить и заказы. А вот в продвижении все наоборот, вы платите только 5-7 месяцев, сайт выходит на первые позиции, начинают идти переходы и заказы, и вы перестаете платить. А позиции сохраняются уже за счет регулярного целевого трафика на сайт.

 

• Продвижение в 10 раз дешевле, чем реклама. Это позволяет многим создавать сайты с нуля и получать хорошую окупаемость вложений уже в первые месяцы работы. Что намного надежнее, чем когда вкладываются большие деньги в рекламу, а потом в итоге она даже не окупается.

Что будет сделано для достижения результата

 

• Соберу все запросы по Вашей тематике сайта, соберу статистику по частотности по каждому собранному запросу. Ключевые слова будут нужны как для продвижения, так и для оптимизации сайта и для анкоров для покупки ссылок, чтобы улучшить и ускорить продвижение.

 

• Сделаю полный анализ Вашего сайта и сайтов конкурентов в ручную и при помощи программ, чтобы выявить все ошибки на сайте, устранить их и сделать оптимизацию сайта намного лучше, чем сделали Ваши конкуренты. Ошибки сайта могут быть разными, но самые основные и часто встречающиеся это: неправильно прописанные мета-теги, заголовки, title, description, h1, robots.txt, карта сайта, отсутствие адаптации под мобильные устройства. Незакрытые ссылки на чужие сайты, битые ссылки, неправильно распределенные веса по сайту, неправильно выбранный движок сайта, хостинг, ip адрес, домен и т.д.

 

• Куплю качественные ссылки на Ваш сайт с других сайтов, для увеличения ссылочной массы на Ваш сайт. Это нужно чтобы поисковые роботы видели, что на Ваш сайт также ссылаются и другие сайты. И за счет качественных ссылок с хорошими ссылочными показателями, Яндекс и Гугл будут поднимать Ваш сайт выше в поиске, чем конкурентов, которые не занимаются покупкой качественных ссылок. Или покупают их на различных биржах, где массово продают ссылки, что не позволит увеличить ссылочные показатели. Я покупаю все ссылки только в ручную и на проверенных сайтах, которые уже дали эффективность для других сайтов клиентов.

Стоимость и сроки продвижения сайта

 

• Стоимость всей работы по оптимизации и продвижения сайта составляет 3000 рублей (40$)/месяц (в нее входит: сбор ключевых фраз, анализ сайта, исправление ошибок, оптимизация, поиск и покупка ссылок). Ежемесячно будет проводиться проверка, замена и продление ссылок, отчет о результатах и росте позиций.

 

• Стоимость 1 качественной арендной ссылки в среднем 100 рублей(1.5$ )/месяц. Рекомендую покупать от 50 до 100 ссылок на 1 сайт всего за все время. Так как сейчас важно не кол-во ссылок а их качество и ссылочный вес. Покупаю все ссылки только в ручную на проверенных сайтах, которые не продают ссылки на биржах.

 

• Сроки продвижения в среднем от 5 до 7 месяцев. Зависит от конкуренции тематики и от самого сайта, занимались ли им ранее и какой возраст сайта, история домена и чистота ip и соседство на одном ip. Буду очень рад сотрудничать с Вами, всегда есть возможность договориться по телефону или в переписке.

С уважением Aleksandr, SEO-специалист в области оптимизации и продвижения сайтов.

Мой Skype для быстрой связи: mayboroda_aleks