Saturday, April 10, 2010

Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Avid cloud

Yes, you're only sending control info out the way, but you've got to
get sound and vision back to you.

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On 11 Apr 2010, at 07:08, "Job ter Burg (L2B)" <Job_L2@terburg.com>
wrote:

> "Philip Hodgetts" (11-04-2010 03:04) :
>
> > If the media and editing software are on the server, your
> connection only
> > needs to be fast enough to handle the control events: start, stop,
> play,
> > pause, mark in, mark out, etc. These are very lightweight as far
> as bandwidth
> > goes.
>
> Don't you need to see and hear what you're doing?
>
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>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Avid cloud

"Philip Hodgetts" (11-04-2010 03:04) :

> If the media and editing software are on the server, your connection only
> needs to be fast enough to handle the control events: start, stop, play,
> pause, mark in, mark out, etc. These are very lightweight as far as bandwidth
> goes.

Don't you need to see and hear what you're doing?

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[Avid-L2] Re: 12-Bit Audio

Many thanks to Jeff, Roger, Bouke and Dennis for your feedback. The materials have been successfully edited, output, compressed & uploaded.

I appreciate the info that was passed along, especially regarding the analog output from the camera to MOJO's analog input. Two follow-up questions about that:

If I'm using a firewire cable to control the XL-1 (or any other device) via MOJO, will/would that digital connection override any analog connections? If the answer to that is "yes," then wouldn't I sacrifice time-code data if I pull the firewire (video) connection and substitute an analog (RCA or S-video) connection?

Thanks again.

--Jess--

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Degan <DennyD1@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 7, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Jesstator wrote:
>
> > I'm out in the field presently, and can't remember whether I can
> set 12-bit audio as an option in Media Composer.
>
> I offer:
>
> I'm not in front of an Avid right now, but I know there's a setting
> that allows converting bit depth and sample rate during import/
> capture. I don't think Avid can use 12-bit audio directly without
> conversion.
>
> Jess also asked:
>
> > If I can't, will MOJO transcode the audio to the project's format
> as it's digitized? If not, can I simply transcode the audio to 16-bit
> after digitizing?
>
> I say:
>
> You say you'll be using a first-generation MOJO. That's the one that
> doesn't have any digital inputs or outputs. As such, the analog audio
> inputs will be used receiving audio from the DSR-20's analog outputs.
> You won't have any bit rate problems since analog audio has no
> 'bits'. ;) Since the audio will be analog, the MOJO will make the
> correct bit rate audio for you as you capture.
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Avid cloud

On Apr 10, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Christopher Pitbladdo wrote:

> Am I missing something, or aren't there an awful lot of variables
> between this 'cloud' and me (I'm thinking routers, telephone
> exchanges, ISP bits and bobs...) than there are between me and a local
> drive?


Of course there are.

But if you've seen DirecTV, Digital Cable, FiOS TV or U-Verse TV, you
know what frank is this is possible. (DirecTV is arguable, since they
control the delivery system 100%)

gh

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Avid cloud

On Apr 10, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Christopher Pitbladdo wrote:

>
>> I will limit my comments to simply these.
>>
>> - You will be floored by the responsiveness of this cloud-based
>> editor.
>>
> I need someone to explain this black magic to me, because it
> doesn't make sense, does it? I love the concept, and if it works then
> I'll be the biggest advocate of it amongst my peers!

If the media and editing software are on the server, your connection only needs to be fast enough to handle the control events: start, stop, play, pause, mark in, mark out, etc. These are very lightweight as far as bandwidth goes.

Given that it's any platform, I'm revising my original guess from a software client to a browser client, probably with heavy javascripty interface to make it feel like a real app.

Probably not as fully featured as Media Composer :)


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP + NAB?

On 4/10/10 12:14 PM, "Brian Williams" <bwilliams@d2creative.com> wrote:

> But Wes, isn't that what you do?
>
>> Besides, would YOU want to stand around for eight
>> hours for four days non-stop talking to people like you?

Did I say I like it? :-)

Actually I do enjoy meeting users and NAB is a worthwhile exercise for us.
Thankfully we don't get people walking up saying things like "Does it work
with the Adobe?"

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Avid cloud

> I will limit my comments to simply these.
>
> - You will be floored by the responsiveness of this cloud-based
> editor.
>
I need someone to explain this black magic to me, because it
doesn't make sense, does it? I love the concept, and if it works then
I'll be the biggest advocate of it amongst my peers!
> - The cloud is less likely to "go down" than attached or LAN storage.
>
Am I missing something, or aren't there an awful lot of variables
between this 'cloud' and me (I'm thinking routers, telephone
exchanges, ISP bits and bobs...) than there are between me and a local
drive?

CP

> - Avid in recent years has not given valuable floor space to "pie in
> the
> sky" tech demos. If it shows, it's darn close to being real.
>
> Just because you can't imagine it doesn't make it impossible.
>
> Gotta pack. Hope to get out on the show floor and in the booth a bit
> this
> NAB. If anyone from the list wants to meet up, I'll tweet my free
> range
> booth schedule -- twitter.com/fcapria
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:12 PM, dave koslow <davekoz@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
> > and boost sales for old Rolling Stones tunes....
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: hggrdt
> > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 16:30
> > Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Avid cloud
> >
> >
> >
> > i think the cloud will have wonderful educational possibilities
> and could
> > introduce the avid editing experience to a lot of young editors.
> > the health and future of the company is dictated by user numbers.
> > aloha
> > tito
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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[Avid-L2] Re: Avid cloud

sorry, my "inside the head" voice slipped out about reality tv.....

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <markraudonis@...> wrote:
>
> Easy there, Cowboy. You might have to work for one of those "glass crawling" producers one day, and they now know how you feel about them!
>
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[Avid-L2] Re: strategy for adding HD to SD proj?

If your SD material was shot 24pA then have them shoot 1080 24pA and you should have 24fps over 60i. That way all of your footage will have the 24p look.

If your SD material was shot standard 29.97 then have them shoot 1080 30pn or 720 30pn. Otherwise your HD footage will have the look of 24p and your SD footage will look more videoish.

Michael

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Paul Dougherty <lists@...> wrote:
>
> All this makes perfect sense, thanks Michael. My SD project is 30i
> aka 29.97 I can ask the shooter for any frame rate the HPX170 can
> deliver. Rather then me pretend to know the best DVCProHD match to
> NYSC 30i, what would that be? 1080i60 1080p30?
>
> I don't have a P2 card reader so the shooter will deliver a drive.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> >
> >Copied/Pasted from the COW forums:
> >
> >The 170 records to P2 media and shoots in the DV, DV50, or DVCProHD
> >codec. If they're shooting HD, you'll be getting DVCProHD. AVCHD
> >comes from the HMC150.
> >
> >That said, with P2, you won't be transcoding anything. Have the
> >shooter deliver an exact copy of the P2 card and it's entire
> >structure. Open Avid and switch your Project to HD in the Format tab
> >(the HPX170 footage will need to shot in the same framerate as your
> >SD material for this to work on 3.1.3) and choose Import P2-->Clips
> >to Bin. Navigate to the top level folder of the P2 footage and hit
> >OK. It will populate your bin with MasterClips of the P2 media. If
> >you want, watch the clips and select only the ones you want/need.
> >Then choose Import P2-->Clips to Bin. It will consolidate the P2
> >media to your media drive, leaving the original P2 footage alone
> >(this could be considered your "tape", or backup). Switch your
> >project back to SD and edit away. All timecode will be preserved on
> >the P2 media.
> >
> >If the SD material is a different framerate, you'll want to upgrade
> >to MC4.0 (which may not be possible on a G5 - I think it may be
> >Intel Mac only). MC4.x can mix and match framerates. If you need to
> >mix and match framerates, there is software that can add/remove
> >pulldown to the HPX170 footage. Will you be mixing framerates?
> >
> >--- In <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com,
> >Paul Dougherty <lists@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Doing my best to recap what's possible with footage from a HPX170
> >> going into an existing SD project on a (Mac) system running 3.1.3
> >> Take with a grain of salt, this is my understanding, then what I
> >> don't know.
> >>
> >> XDcam would seem like the best flavor of HD to integrate with a SD
> >> project but that is not on offer. The HPX170 my shooter uses
> >> delivers P2 and AVCHD(yes?). Since a driect port doesn't seem
> >> possible, I've read about people converting such footage with
> >> Streamclip or Panasonic's MainConcept transcoder to bring it in.
> >> (transcoding to exactly what I'm not sure). Transcoding to bring in
> >> a shot is one thing but I need to bring in an hours worth and retain
> >> original TC values to intercut with lo-rez SD in my Avid project.
> >>
> >> Advise greatly appreciated,
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Thanks to both of you. As to Bogdan's suggestion I'd rather stay in
> >> >a SD project as 90% of the material is SD*. Also thanks for pointing
> >> >out the "latest qualified release for your PPC is 3.1.3"
> >> >
> >> >>"Is there a viable strategy to will allow me to
> >> >>> integrate some flavor of HD into an 10-1 (off-line) SD timeline?"
> >> >>
> >> >>What format HD? If XDCam, just connect it via SD SDI and capture
> >> >>into the corresponding SD project type. (ie, if it's 1080i/60, use
> >> >>30i)
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Kenton, yes I would like to capture into a SD project.
> >> >
> >> >Based on a quick look XDCam doesn't seem to be an option, the
> >> >cameraman has a HPX170 and a Canon 5D. However HPX170 seems to offer
> >> >SDI out.
> >> >
> >> >Paul
> >> >
> >> >*Honestly I'm strongly leaning towards a SD master, but I enquire in
> >> >the event I shoot many more interviews and am pressed to deliver a HD
> >> >master.
> >> >
> >> >>--- In
> >> >><mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com,
> >> >>Paul Dougherty <lists@> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Realizing NAB is about to start and consume all the oxygen I'm
> >> >>> rushing out this question. I have an SD (ntsc) legacy project* in
> >> >>> progress with the need to shoot more interviews. If the
> >> >>> headache/overhead was not too great I'd like to shoot in HD and cut
> >> >>> it in to the timeline of the on-going project. But since there is no
> > > >>> budget, I can't send it out to have SD work copies made through a
> >> >>> Teranex or whatever. Is there a viable strategy to will allow me to
> >> >>> integrate some flavor of HD into an 10-1 (off-line) SD timeline?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> *It's MC 2.7 MojoSDI - I own MC 3.5 but have not installed it, I'm
> >> >>> on a PPC G5 2.5
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I apologize for not taking the time to better research this before
> >> >>> posting but events and deadlines have crept up on me.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks in advance,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Paul
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP + NAB?

But Wes, isn't that what you do?

>Besides, would YOU want to stand around for eight
>hours for four days non-stop talking to people like you?



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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: strategy for adding HD to SD proj?

All this makes perfect sense, thanks Michael. My SD project is 30i
aka 29.97 I can ask the shooter for any frame rate the HPX170 can
deliver. Rather then me pretend to know the best DVCProHD match to
NYSC 30i, what would that be? 1080i60 1080p30?

I don't have a P2 card reader so the shooter will deliver a drive.

Paul

>
>Copied/Pasted from the COW forums:
>
>The 170 records to P2 media and shoots in the DV, DV50, or DVCProHD
>codec. If they're shooting HD, you'll be getting DVCProHD. AVCHD
>comes from the HMC150.
>
>That said, with P2, you won't be transcoding anything. Have the
>shooter deliver an exact copy of the P2 card and it's entire
>structure. Open Avid and switch your Project to HD in the Format tab
>(the HPX170 footage will need to shot in the same framerate as your
>SD material for this to work on 3.1.3) and choose Import P2-->Clips
>to Bin. Navigate to the top level folder of the P2 footage and hit
>OK. It will populate your bin with MasterClips of the P2 media. If
>you want, watch the clips and select only the ones you want/need.
>Then choose Import P2-->Clips to Bin. It will consolidate the P2
>media to your media drive, leaving the original P2 footage alone
>(this could be considered your "tape", or backup). Switch your
>project back to SD and edit away. All timecode will be preserved on
>the P2 media.
>
>If the SD material is a different framerate, you'll want to upgrade
>to MC4.0 (which may not be possible on a G5 - I think it may be
>Intel Mac only). MC4.x can mix and match framerates. If you need to
>mix and match framerates, there is software that can add/remove
>pulldown to the HPX170 footage. Will you be mixing framerates?
>
>--- In <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com,
>Paul Dougherty <lists@...> wrote:
>>
>> Doing my best to recap what's possible with footage from a HPX170
>> going into an existing SD project on a (Mac) system running 3.1.3
>> Take with a grain of salt, this is my understanding, then what I
>> don't know.
>>
>> XDcam would seem like the best flavor of HD to integrate with a SD
>> project but that is not on offer. The HPX170 my shooter uses
>> delivers P2 and AVCHD(yes?). Since a driect port doesn't seem
>> possible, I've read about people converting such footage with
>> Streamclip or Panasonic's MainConcept transcoder to bring it in.
>> (transcoding to exactly what I'm not sure). Transcoding to bring in
>> a shot is one thing but I need to bring in an hours worth and retain
>> original TC values to intercut with lo-rez SD in my Avid project.
>>
>> Advise greatly appreciated,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Thanks to both of you. As to Bogdan's suggestion I'd rather stay in
>> >a SD project as 90% of the material is SD*. Also thanks for pointing
>> >out the "latest qualified release for your PPC is 3.1.3"
>> >
>> >>"Is there a viable strategy to will allow me to
>> >>> integrate some flavor of HD into an 10-1 (off-line) SD timeline?"
>> >>
>> >>What format HD? If XDCam, just connect it via SD SDI and capture
>> >>into the corresponding SD project type. (ie, if it's 1080i/60, use
>> >>30i)
>> >>
>> >
>> >Kenton, yes I would like to capture into a SD project.
>> >
>> >Based on a quick look XDCam doesn't seem to be an option, the
>> >cameraman has a HPX170 and a Canon 5D. However HPX170 seems to offer
>> >SDI out.
>> >
>> >Paul
>> >
>> >*Honestly I'm strongly leaning towards a SD master, but I enquire in
>> >the event I shoot many more interviews and am pressed to deliver a HD
>> >master.
>> >
>> >>--- In
>> >><mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com,
>> >>Paul Dougherty <lists@> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Realizing NAB is about to start and consume all the oxygen I'm
>> >>> rushing out this question. I have an SD (ntsc) legacy project* in
>> >>> progress with the need to shoot more interviews. If the
>> >>> headache/overhead was not too great I'd like to shoot in HD and cut
>> >>> it in to the timeline of the on-going project. But since there is no
> > >>> budget, I can't send it out to have SD work copies made through a
>> >>> Teranex or whatever. Is there a viable strategy to will allow me to
>> >>> integrate some flavor of HD into an 10-1 (off-line) SD timeline?
>> >>>
>> >>> *It's MC 2.7 MojoSDI - I own MC 3.5 but have not installed it, I'm
>> >>> on a PPC G5 2.5
>> >>>
>> >>> I apologize for not taking the time to better research this before
>> >>> posting but events and deadlines have crept up on me.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks in advance,
>> >>>
>> >>> Paul
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>


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[Avid-L2] Re: strategy for adding HD to SD proj?

Copied/Pasted from the COW forums:

The 170 records to P2 media and shoots in the DV, DV50, or DVCProHD codec. If they're shooting HD, you'll be getting DVCProHD. AVCHD comes from the HMC150.

That said, with P2, you won't be transcoding anything. Have the shooter deliver an exact copy of the P2 card and it's entire structure. Open Avid and switch your Project to HD in the Format tab (the HPX170 footage will need to shot in the same framerate as your SD material for this to work on 3.1.3) and choose Import P2-->Clips to Bin. Navigate to the top level folder of the P2 footage and hit OK. It will populate your bin with MasterClips of the P2 media. If you want, watch the clips and select only the ones you want/need. Then choose Import P2-->Clips to Bin. It will consolidate the P2 media to your media drive, leaving the original P2 footage alone (this could be considered your "tape", or backup). Switch your project back to SD and edit away. All timecode will be preserved on the P2 media.

If the SD material is a different framerate, you'll want to upgrade to MC4.0 (which may not be possible on a G5 - I think it may be Intel Mac only). MC4.x can mix and match framerates. If you need to mix and match framerates, there is software that can add/remove pulldown to the HPX170 footage. Will you be mixing framerates?


--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, Paul Dougherty <lists@...> wrote:
>
> Doing my best to recap what's possible with footage from a HPX170
> going into an existing SD project on a (Mac) system running 3.1.3
> Take with a grain of salt, this is my understanding, then what I
> don't know.
>
> XDcam would seem like the best flavor of HD to integrate with a SD
> project but that is not on offer. The HPX170 my shooter uses
> delivers P2 and AVCHD(yes?). Since a driect port doesn't seem
> possible, I've read about people converting such footage with
> Streamclip or Panasonic's MainConcept transcoder to bring it in.
> (transcoding to exactly what I'm not sure). Transcoding to bring in
> a shot is one thing but I need to bring in an hours worth and retain
> original TC values to intercut with lo-rez SD in my Avid project.
>
> Advise greatly appreciated,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> >
> >Thanks to both of you. As to Bogdan's suggestion I'd rather stay in
> >a SD project as 90% of the material is SD*. Also thanks for pointing
> >out the "latest qualified release for your PPC is 3.1.3"
> >
> >>"Is there a viable strategy to will allow me to
> >>> integrate some flavor of HD into an 10-1 (off-line) SD timeline?"
> >>
> >>What format HD? If XDCam, just connect it via SD SDI and capture
> >>into the corresponding SD project type. (ie, if it's 1080i/60, use
> >>30i)
> >>
> >
> >Kenton, yes I would like to capture into a SD project.
> >
> >Based on a quick look XDCam doesn't seem to be an option, the
> >cameraman has a HPX170 and a Canon 5D. However HPX170 seems to offer
> >SDI out.
> >
> >Paul
> >
> >*Honestly I'm strongly leaning towards a SD master, but I enquire in
> >the event I shoot many more interviews and am pressed to deliver a HD
> >master.
> >
> >>--- In
> >><mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com,
> >>Paul Dougherty <lists@> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Realizing NAB is about to start and consume all the oxygen I'm
> >>> rushing out this question. I have an SD (ntsc) legacy project* in
> >>> progress with the need to shoot more interviews. If the
> >>> headache/overhead was not too great I'd like to shoot in HD and cut
> >>> it in to the timeline of the on-going project. But since there is no
> >>> budget, I can't send it out to have SD work copies made through a
> >>> Teranex or whatever. Is there a viable strategy to will allow me to
> >>> integrate some flavor of HD into an 10-1 (off-line) SD timeline?
> >>>
> >>> *It's MC 2.7 MojoSDI - I own MC 3.5 but have not installed it, I'm
> >>> on a PPC G5 2.5
> >>>
> >>> I apologize for not taking the time to better research this before
> >>> posting but events and deadlines have crept up on me.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance,
> >>>
> >>> Paul
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: strategy for adding HD to SD proj?

Doing my best to recap what's possible with footage from a HPX170
going into an existing SD project on a (Mac) system running 3.1.3
Take with a grain of salt, this is my understanding, then what I
don't know.

XDcam would seem like the best flavor of HD to integrate with a SD
project but that is not on offer. The HPX170 my shooter uses
delivers P2 and AVCHD(yes?). Since a driect port doesn't seem
possible, I've read about people converting such footage with
Streamclip or Panasonic's MainConcept transcoder to bring it in.
(transcoding to exactly what I'm not sure). Transcoding to bring in
a shot is one thing but I need to bring in an hours worth and retain
original TC values to intercut with lo-rez SD in my Avid project.

Advise greatly appreciated,

Paul

>
>Thanks to both of you. As to Bogdan's suggestion I'd rather stay in
>a SD project as 90% of the material is SD*. Also thanks for pointing
>out the "latest qualified release for your PPC is 3.1.3"
>
>>"Is there a viable strategy to will allow me to
>>> integrate some flavor of HD into an 10-1 (off-line) SD timeline?"
>>
>>What format HD? If XDCam, just connect it via SD SDI and capture
>>into the corresponding SD project type. (ie, if it's 1080i/60, use
>>30i)
>>
>
>Kenton, yes I would like to capture into a SD project.
>
>Based on a quick look XDCam doesn't seem to be an option, the
>cameraman has a HPX170 and a Canon 5D. However HPX170 seems to offer
>SDI out.
>
>Paul
>
>*Honestly I'm strongly leaning towards a SD master, but I enquire in
>the event I shoot many more interviews and am pressed to deliver a HD
>master.
>
>>--- In
>><mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com,
>>Paul Dougherty <lists@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Realizing NAB is about to start and consume all the oxygen I'm
>>> rushing out this question. I have an SD (ntsc) legacy project* in
>>> progress with the need to shoot more interviews. If the
>>> headache/overhead was not too great I'd like to shoot in HD and cut
>>> it in to the timeline of the on-going project. But since there is no
>>> budget, I can't send it out to have SD work copies made through a
>>> Teranex or whatever. Is there a viable strategy to will allow me to
>>> integrate some flavor of HD into an 10-1 (off-line) SD timeline?
>>>
>>> *It's MC 2.7 MojoSDI - I own MC 3.5 but have not installed it, I'm
>>> on a PPC G5 2.5
>>>
>>> I apologize for not taking the time to better research this before
>>> posting but events and deadlines have crept up on me.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>
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>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Avid cloud

I will limit my comments to simply these.

- You will be floored by the responsiveness of this cloud-based editor.
- The cloud is less likely to "go down" than attached or LAN storage.
- Avid in recent years has not given valuable floor space to "pie in the
sky" tech demos. If it shows, it's darn close to being real.

Just because you can't imagine it doesn't make it impossible.

Gotta pack. Hope to get out on the show floor and in the booth a bit this
NAB. If anyone from the list wants to meet up, I'll tweet my free range
booth schedule -- twitter.com/fcapria

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> and boost sales for old Rolling Stones tunes....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: hggrdt
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 16:30
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Avid cloud
>
>
>
> i think the cloud will have wonderful educational possibilities and could
> introduce the avid editing experience to a lot of young editors.
> the health and future of the company is dictated by user numbers.
> aloha
> tito
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Avid-L2] Re: FCP + NAB?

Apple introduced Final Cut Pro 7 at the end of July 2009 with no press
gathering or special event. I would not be surprised to see a serious update
to Final Cut Pro at any time.

In this NLE race with Avid returning to NAB with possible product
announcements, Premiere Pro CS5 and their Mercury Playback Engine, and Final
Cut Pro, I can¹t imagine Apple being content in second or third place. Apple
has not been a company that rests on its laurels.

My advice, stay tuned.


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[Avid-L2] Re: FCP + NAB?

Re: FCP + NAB?

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, mat hays <mhays72@...> wrote:


<< I recently polled the vendors we use in LA, as to which editing system they
use. The result was 57% to 43% FCP. >>

Bad sign for Avid. On the other hand, Avid has to own this market or it's
toast. Apple couldn't really care less, iPhones, iPods, iPads and the enclosed
distribution channels are what they make their bucks on.

This makes for an interesting fight which seems one sided in Avid's favor
at the moment. However, Apple could wipe Avid out with one or two more
significant swipes if that were it's (Jobs's) intention. Makes me believe Apple doesn't
mind having Avid around.

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[Avid-L2] Re: FCP + NAB?

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, mat hays <mhays72@...> wrote:


<< I recently polled the vendors we use in LA, as to which editing system they use. The result was 57% to 43% FCP. >>

Bad sign for Avid. On the other hand, Avid has to own this market or it's toast. Apple couldn't really care less, iPhones, iPods, iPads and the enclosed distribution channels are what they make their bucks on.

This makes for an interesting fight which seems one sided in Avid's favor at the moment. However,m Apple could wipe Avid out with one or two more significant swipes if that were it's intention. Makes me believe Apple doesn't mind having Avid around.

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[Avid-L2] Re: FCP + NAB?

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, George Loch <george@...> wrote:


<<I need someone to help me succeed in my industry as well. It may not be them anymore.>>

And that is what business is all about. Do Avid or Apple help you more. Because all your clients care about, is that you help them more. And that is all your suppliers should care about for you.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP + NAB?

FYI...
I work in marketing for a major film studio. I recently polled the vendors we use in LA, as to which editing system they use. The result was 57% to 43% FCP. Most of the Avid house's were older and had been around for some time while most FCP house's were newer. 5-10 years. I don't really have an opinion but, Avid did skip out on NAB a few years a go while FCP attended the same year.

________________________________
From: Wes Plate <wes@automaticduck.com>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 4:28:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP + NAB?


On 4/9/10 4:07 PM, "George Loch" <george@motoxpress. com> wrote:

> After gaining so much momentum in the last 7-9 years, it feels like
> it's no longer an interesting proposition for them.
>
> Profits are good and I am happy to help Apple succeed in the consumer
> space. I need someone to help me succeed in my industry as well. It
> may not be them anymore.

Or it may be. You have no evidence to know either way. Unfortunately
Apple's secretive culture doesn't lend itself to reassuring you that they're
still working hard on FCP.

I don't have much business sense but it seems to me that a financially
thriving Apple has even less incentive to become disinterested in Final Cut
Pro. If they were struggling they would start looking to drop dead weight.
I'm not saying that FCP is dead weight, just acknowledging the iPhone's
money making significance.

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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Avid cloud

and boost sales for old Rolling Stones tunes....
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Avid cloud



i think the cloud will have wonderful educational possibilities and could introduce the avid editing experience to a lot of young editors.
the health and future of the company is dictated by user numbers.
aloha
tito


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP + NAB?

On 4/9/10 4:07 PM, "George Loch" <george@motoxpress.com> wrote:

> After gaining so much momentum in the last 7-9 years, it feels like
> it's no longer an interesting proposition for them.
>
> Profits are good and I am happy to help Apple succeed in the consumer
> space. I need someone to help me succeed in my industry as well. It
> may not be them anymore.

Or it may be. You have no evidence to know either way. Unfortunately
Apple's secretive culture doesn't lend itself to reassuring you that they're
still working hard on FCP.

I don't have much business sense but it seems to me that a financially
thriving Apple has even less incentive to become disinterested in Final Cut
Pro. If they were struggling they would start looking to drop dead weight.
I'm not saying that FCP is dead weight, just acknowledging the iPhone's
money making significance.


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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP + NAB?

I agree with your sentiments. I rarely attend NAB and only really pay
attention because of the perpetuation of traditional product release
cycles in this industry.

I just want to point out that because of NAB's impending arrival, we
are trained (pavlovically?) to discus such subjects. I personally,
could not care less as to the time of year Apple disseminates
information about their plans. What I am referring to is the life of
the product. Sure, it gets the job done but, FCP 7 could be better and
in very similar ways that version 6 and 5 could have been better.
After gaining so much momentum in the last 7-9 years, it feels like
it's no longer an interesting proposition for them.

Profits are good and I am happy to help Apple succeed in the consumer
space. I need someone to help me succeed in my industry as well. It
may not be them anymore.

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On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Wes Plate <wes@automaticduck.com> wrote:
> On 4/9/10 8:38 AM, "George Loch" <george@motoxpress.com> wrote:
>
>> There is still plenty of room to innovate in this arena and Apple
>> seems less interested in their pursuit of bigger profits.
>
> Shameful, a company doing what makes it money.
>
> I don't have any idea of what Apple has planned with regards to Final Cut
> Pro, but my guess is that since they still employ people that I know on the
> FCP team, they're not done with it yet.
>
> All of you who are annoyed that Apple doesn't exhibit at NAB remember that
> being an exhibitor is expensive and a pain in the ass and NAB is a huge
> population most of whom don't care a thing about FCP.  Better to hold their
> own events where every single seat is a buyer.  Much more targeted, much
> better for them I'm sure.  Besides, would YOU want to stand around for eight
> hours for four days non-stop talking to people like you?
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: FCP + NAB?

On 4/9/10 8:38 AM, "George Loch" <george@motoxpress.com> wrote:

> There is still plenty of room to innovate in this arena and Apple
> seems less interested in their pursuit of bigger profits.

Shameful, a company doing what makes it money.

I don't have any idea of what Apple has planned with regards to Final Cut
Pro, but my guess is that since they still employ people that I know on the
FCP team, they're not done with it yet.

All of you who are annoyed that Apple doesn't exhibit at NAB remember that
being an exhibitor is expensive and a pain in the ass and NAB is a huge
population most of whom don't care a thing about FCP. Better to hold their
own events where every single seat is a buyer. Much more targeted, much
better for them I'm sure. Besides, would YOU want to stand around for eight
hours for four days non-stop talking to people like you?


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[Avid-L2] OT: Adapter/Connectors and the Dr. Office

Doc wants to see me for a check up and of course that means time to get weighed.  It feels like I've got about five pounds of adapters/connectors , pocket VOM etc...  Why is it I can't just leave them at home?  There's a part of me that just knows the Dr/'s. Monitor is going to malfunction during the exam and I'll be there to save the day with a bnc to rca adapter.  Last time we had a good laugh as I removed what amounts to "Fibber McGee's closet" from my pockets, with out the sound effect of course.  Maybe I should just skip the internist and go straight to the psychiatry department.  :-)  With NAB plane flight approaching guess it might be time to offload all metallic objects, but what if the pilot needs to plug his iPod into something.......


John Moore

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[Avid-L2] Re: Avid cloud

Exactly.. Apple has known this for decades. Education must be a huge focus

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[Avid-L2] NAB Sight Seeing List?

So for once I'm trying to come up with a game plan as to what to see.  Here's my basic outline, I'd appreciate any suggestions for additions:

Control Surfaces Color Correction:
Euphonix
Tangent
?????

Control Surfaces Audio for editing systems:
Mackie
Yamaha
Behringer
Roland

Audio Monitoring for Non Linear Edit bays:
Mackie
Behringer
Yamaha
Roland
Isis Sonarea
??????????

Color Correction Software/Plug Ins:
Color Finesse
Colorista
??????

Waveform Monitors:
Tektronix with new Lumance qualified Vector Scope and Spearhead display
Leader
Harris
Hamlet
BMD Ultrascope

Color Grading Monitors low and high end:
JVC
Panasonic Plasmas and the newer versions of LCD
Sony
Dolby HA HA
Cinetal


New and Recent Tape formats and Compatibility:
Sony
Panasonic
JVC
EVS

New and Recent File based formats and Compatibility:
Main Concepts
Sony
JVC
Panasonic
GVG
Ikegami
Root 6
?????????

That's it off the top of my head.  As I said any suggestions to add to the list and or categories is welcome.

John Moore

Barking Trout Productions

Studio City, CA

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[Avid-L2] Re: Avid cloud

i think the cloud will have wonderful educational possibilities and could introduce the avid editing experience to a lot of young editors.
the health and future of the company is dictated by user numbers.
aloha
tito

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[Avid-L2] Re: Avid cloud

But wait my buzzer malfunctioned!!! Ask the judges, can't I go for "Supporting my family @ $2.00/Hr" Alex. Alex, Alex, I'm over here holding my mortgage Alex? Son of a B$@#@%!!!!!

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> On 9 Apr 2010, at 09:09 EDT, oliverpetersvidy wrote:
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> > Outsourcing.
>
> Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding! Our contest is now closed.
> Thanks for playing, everyone.
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[Avid-L2] Re: Avid cloud OT:

Wow I'm screwed I only have a 28 K model on my Mac Classic SE IIRC. Maybe I can flash the firmware for double the throughput. ;-)

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, David Dawkins <dawk2@...> wrote:
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> So this will work on my 486 with the 56k modem?
>
> DD
>
> Robert Lawson wrote:
> >
> >
> > I know plenty of editors who would like to edit from their summer
> > homes. Plus, this way, they can get cookie crumbs and spill soda into
> > their own keyboards!
> >
> > On 4/8/10, David Ross <speckydave@...
> > <mailto:speckydave%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > I think you may be missing the point. No-one is suggesting that this
> > > will in any way replace a full-powered edit suite.
> > >
> > > D.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9 April 2010 00:17, Christopher Pitbladdo
> > <avid@... <mailto:avid%40digitalbuddy.co.uk>>
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I remember a tech guy talking to me about this six or seven years ago,
> > >> and my reaction is the same now as it was then... Sure, I can see the
> > >> merits of having access to your media wherever you are, but personally,
> > >> I need responsiveness from an edit suite. And I just don't think what
> > >> we're talking about here would react to my keyboard strokes quickly or
> > >> accurately enough, would it?
> > >>
> > >> I mean, I really really sulk whenever I have to drive an Adrenaline,
> > >> because there's that delay when you tell it to do anything, and when I
> > >> mark points whilst playing footage I always have to go back and nudge
> > >> them.
> > >>
> > >> I'm a great fan of remote working when I'm rendering long sequences and
> > >> don't want to hang around until midnight to watch a progress bar limp
> > >> from left to right before FTP'ing or whatever (if you don't already
> > know
> > >> about it, take a look at logmein.com for excellent free (for personal
> > >> use, and affordable for commercial use) remote access software),
> > but you
> > >> only have to take a look at this sort of application to see just how
> > >> slow network traffic can be over the internet.
> > >>
> > >> I can't imagine this would be any different.
> > >>
> > >> CP
> > >>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: strategy for adding HD to SD proj?

Thanks to both of you. As to Bogdan's suggestion I'd rather stay in
a SD project as 90% of the material is SD*. Also thanks for pointing
out the "latest qualified release for your PPC is 3.1.3"

>"Is there a viable strategy to will allow me to
>> integrate some flavor of HD into an 10-1 (off-line) SD timeline?"
>
>What format HD? If XDCam, just connect it via SD SDI and capture
>into the corresponding SD project type. (ie, if it's 1080i/60, use
>30i)
>

Kenton, yes I would like to capture into a SD project.

Based on a quick look XDCam doesn't seem to be an option, the
cameraman has a HPX170 and a Canon 5D. However HPX170 seems to offer
SDI out.

Paul

*Honestly I'm strongly leaning towards a SD master, but I enquire in
the event I shoot many more interviews and am pressed to deliver a HD
master.

>--- In <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com,
>Paul Dougherty <lists@...> wrote:
>>
>> Realizing NAB is about to start and consume all the oxygen I'm
>> rushing out this question. I have an SD (ntsc) legacy project* in
>> progress with the need to shoot more interviews. If the
>> headache/overhead was not too great I'd like to shoot in HD and cut
>> it in to the timeline of the on-going project. But since there is no
>> budget, I can't send it out to have SD work copies made through a
>> Teranex or whatever. Is there a viable strategy to will allow me to
>> integrate some flavor of HD into an 10-1 (off-line) SD timeline?
>>
>> *It's MC 2.7 MojoSDI - I own MC 3.5 but have not installed it, I'm
>> on a PPC G5 2.5
>>
>> I apologize for not taking the time to better research this before
>> posting but events and deadlines have crept up on me.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>
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Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Metafuze RED debayer

Export module> add new preset> Edit> dropdown list> AAF and MXF

Only in v183&above on PC.

cheers,
Bogdan Grigoresco
www.finale.tv

--- On Fri, 4/9/10, Kenavid2 <kenavid2@glueedit.com> wrote:

From: Kenavid2 <kenavid2@glueedit.com>
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Metafuze RED debayer
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 6:33 PM

 





Bogdan,

Do you know where this setting is? I haven't found it and the RED guys don't seem to know about it. I'll check the build I am using.

KEN

----- Original Message -----

From: Bogdan Grigoresco

To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com

Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 2:36 AM

Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Metafuze RED debayer

'Redcine-X dosent make MXF (as of now)'

Sorry Dave, that is incorrect.

REDCine-X Build 183, available for almost 2 weeks now, does create MXF Avid files on both MAC and PC.

cheers,

Bogdan Grigoresco

www.finale.tv

--- On Fri, 4/9/10, dave koslow <davekoz@optonline. net> wrote:

From: dave koslow <davekoz@optonline. net>

Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Metafuze RED debayer

To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com

Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 5:38 AM

Main difference I saw was the ability to pre-correct and manipulate footage in Redcine-X. Make sure you test first which version of Avid codecs and Redcine-X work well together.... we had different combinations work on different systems. Processing on an 8400 was a bit slower than Metafuze, but not too signifigant. Redcine-X dosent make MXF (as of now), you go to DnXHD QT and import those. Adds a time-consuming step over Metafuze, but you do buy it back in pre-processed footage. I had to choose Metafuze for my last project, as it had a fast turnaround and they wanted ALL the footage (190Gb) for the edit.

Nobody really cared when I pointed out the David Lean cut Lawrence of "Arabia" from the buys and safetys.....

sigh

kOz

----- Original Message -----

From: ksirul

To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com

Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:27

Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Metafuze RED debayer

Any major quality difference between using Metafuze and RedCine to make these DNxHD files? I'm testing RedCine on my PC now to compare quality. Checking speed as well.

--- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups .com, DAVID KOSLOW <davekoz@... > wrote:

>

>

> I used those settings last week for the same type of workflow. All

> worked well, I couldnt see any signifigant difference (read as none)

> between half and full premium on DnXHD 220 MXF media.Remember, the media

> needs CC, blacks wlll be @.25, whites @ .75. If u can, try to get a base

> correction for scenes before the clients show up. Saved a lot of

> "educating". ....

>

> Happy transcoding

> kOz

>

> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:45 PM, ksirul wrote:

>

> Transcoding R3D files to MXF. these will be my new master clips for

> a 1080p edit and conform. Will I get the best results using (in

> Metafuze) Debayer set to High and Resolution set to Half Premium?

>

> KEN

>

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