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Thursday, June 1, 2017

Re: [Avid-L2] What are the rules of media sharing?

 

Usually, or at least they should be, but not always.  And I've tested rendering and doing mixdowns to different workspaces and doing sync copies to the stand alone system to different attached storage, and each time, regardless of where the renders and mixdowns are originally done to and then copied to the pattern is the same.


Once copied to the Nexis system it's all available.  On the stand alone system only the master clip media shows up, but not any of the render media.

Jay


On Jun 1, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Bogdan Grigorescu bogdan_grigorescu@yahoo.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



are the effects rendered originally to a separate workspace?

BG



From: "Jay Mahavier jay_mahavier@earthlink.net [Avid-L2]" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
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I thought about that and have done what I can to check those things.  But I can't figure out how that could single out MXF media from renders and not effect imported media and mixdowns?  It seem like if if sync process would cause problems with all the files, bus someone it's just exclusive to media generated by rendering effects.  So what's different about that media from master clip media?  Is it something different in the MXF file?  Or how it's listed in the database file?  Or something to do with how Media Composer reads database files?  Is there something special about it being in an ISIS / Nexis / Unity environment that lets system play nice with render media from other workstations?  So many strange questions.

I've got more testing to do.  I think I'm going to set up a separate standalone system and see if I can take rendered media from stand alone system to stand alone system.  

This feels like something that an engineer at Avid would be able to address and fix, but I'm not even sure how to get the request to that level.  I'm doubtful I could even get support at Avid to even understand what the issue is much less get them to escalate it.

Jay


On Jun 1, 2017, at 1:38 PM, 'Dom Q. Silverio' domqsilverio@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Maybe the metadata of the MXF render files at the OS level are being modified during transfer (modified data, creation date, etc.)?

Also, make sure the computer clock are in sync.

Dom Q. Silverio

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Jay Mahavier jay_mahavier@earthlink.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>wrote:
I'm trying to figure out the rules of media sharing between media composer systems when it comes to rendered effects.  Like when, and why, are rendered effects sometimes online and sometimes not and have to be re-rendered.

So on the current show we have a bit of a strange setup.  We have our primary location where we have 4 system connected to an ISIS system.  When one of us renders effects in a sequence they are online for everyone at the primary location.  We have a secondary location that has 3 systems connected to a Nexis.  We have a separate system that it's singular purpose is to sync media between workspaces on the ISIS with workspaces on the Nexis.  Each workspace is mirrored between the two locations.  That includes the .mdb and .pmr files.  So at the location with the Nexis they are not rebuilding media database files, they are using the ones that copy over from the ISIS.  And likewise, the ISIS workspaces that are sync copies of the Nexis, we are using the database files from the Nexis.  And between the two locations all the rendered effects are online.

Then we have a third location.  It's a singular standalone system.  It's using local storage.  All the media form the ISIS and Nexis is being sync copied over to the local storage.  And like we are with the ISIS <-> Nexis sync we are maintaining folders on the local storage that have copied mdb and pmr database files so they are not being rebuilt by the standalone system.  And that's working great for any master clip media.  Like imported files, transcoded media, mixdowns, etc.  But when it comes to rendered effects they are all offline and have to be re-rendered, and I'm trying to figure out why.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
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Re: [Avid-L2] What are the rules of media sharing?

 

I would add to the advice from others about identifying the actual pre-compute file by saying that although you cannot normally load pre-computes into the source monitor, there is a console command to temporarily enable this feature.

Type subsys monpane debug in the console and hit return. You should now be able to load the problematic renders and check that they actually are valid bits of media.

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Re: [Avid-L2] What are the rules of media sharing?

 

Also, is the editor opening the bin with the correct version of the sequence?
You can't use an older version of the sequence to link render files from the future.
 

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are the effects rendered originally to a separate workspace?

BG



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Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] What are the rules of media sharing?

 
I thought about that and have done what I can to check those things.  But I can't figure out how that could single out MXF media from renders and not effect imported media and mixdowns?  It seem like if if sync process would cause problems with all the files, bus someone it's just exclusive to media generated by rendering effects.  So what's different about that media from master clip media?  Is it something different in the MXF file?  Or how it's listed in the database file?  Or something to do with how Media Composer reads database files?  Is there something special about it being in an ISIS / Nexis / Unity environment that lets system play nice with render media from other workstations?  So many strange questions.

I've got more testing to do.  I think I'm going to set up a separate standalone system and see if I can take rendered media from stand alone system to stand alone system.  

This feels like something that an engineer at Avid would be able to address and fix, but I'm not even sure how to get the request to that level.  I'm doubtful I could even get support at Avid to even understand what the issue is much less get them to escalate it.

Jay


On Jun 1, 2017, at 1:38 PM, 'Dom Q. Silverio' domqsilverio@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Maybe the metadata of the MXF render files at the OS level are being modified during transfer (modified data, creation date, etc.)?

Also, make sure the computer clock are in sync.

Dom Q. Silverio

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Jay Mahavier jay_mahavier@earthlink.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>wrote:
I'm trying to figure out the rules of media sharing between media composer systems when it comes to rendered effects.  Like when, and why, are rendered effects sometimes online and sometimes not and have to be re-rendered.

So on the current show we have a bit of a strange setup.  We have our primary location where we have 4 system connected to an ISIS system.  When one of us renders effects in a sequence they are online for everyone at the primary location.  We have a secondary location that has 3 systems connected to a Nexis.  We have a separate system that it's singular purpose is to sync media between workspaces on the ISIS with workspaces on the Nexis.  Each workspace is mirrored between the two locations.  That includes the .mdb and .pmr files.  So at the location with the Nexis they are not rebuilding media database files, they are using the ones that copy over from the ISIS.  And likewise, the ISIS workspaces that are sync copies of the Nexis, we are using the database files from the Nexis.  And between the two locations all the rendered effects are online.

Then we have a third location.  It's a singular standalone system.  It's using local storage.  All the media form the ISIS and Nexis is being sync copied over to the local storage.  And like we are with the ISIS <-> Nexis sync we are maintaining folders on the local storage that have copied mdb and pmr database files so they are not being rebuilt by the standalone system.  And that's working great for any master clip media.  Like imported files, transcoded media, mixdowns, etc.  But when it comes to rendered effects they are all offline and have to be re-rendered, and I'm trying to figure out why.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jay



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Re: [Avid-L2] What are the rules of media sharing?

 

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I thought about that and have done what I can to check those things.  But I can't figure out how that could single out MXF media from renders and not effect imported media and mixdowns?  It seem like if if sync process would cause problems with all the files, bus someone it's just exclusive to media generated by rendering effects.  So what's different about that media from master clip media?  Is it something different in the MXF file?  Or how it's listed in the database file?  Or something to do with how Media Composer reads database files?  Is there something special about it being in an ISIS / Nexis / Unity environment that lets system play nice with render media from other workstations?  So many strange questions.

I've got more testing to do.  I think I'm going to set up a separate standalone system and see if I can take rendered media from stand alone system to stand alone system.  

This feels like something that an engineer at Avid would be able to address and fix, but I'm not even sure how to get the request to that level.  I'm doubtful I could even get support at Avid to even understand what the issue is much less get them to escalate it.

Jay


On Jun 1, 2017, at 1:38 PM, 'Dom Q. Silverio' domqsilverio@gmail.com [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Maybe the metadata of the MXF render files at the OS level are being modified during transfer (modified data, creation date, etc.)?

Also, make sure the computer clock are in sync.

Dom Q. Silverio

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Jay Mahavier jay_mahavier@earthlink.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>wrote:
I'm trying to figure out the rules of media sharing between media composer systems when it comes to rendered effects.  Like when, and why, are rendered effects sometimes online and sometimes not and have to be re-rendered.

So on the current show we have a bit of a strange setup.  We have our primary location where we have 4 system connected to an ISIS system.  When one of us renders effects in a sequence they are online for everyone at the primary location.  We have a secondary location that has 3 systems connected to a Nexis.  We have a separate system that it's singular purpose is to sync media between workspaces on the ISIS with workspaces on the Nexis.  Each workspace is mirrored between the two locations.  That includes the .mdb and .pmr files.  So at the location with the Nexis they are not rebuilding media database files, they are using the ones that copy over from the ISIS.  And likewise, the ISIS workspaces that are sync copies of the Nexis, we are using the database files from the Nexis.  And between the two locations all the rendered effects are online.

Then we have a third location.  It's a singular standalone system.  It's using local storage.  All the media form the ISIS and Nexis is being sync copied over to the local storage.  And like we are with the ISIS <-> Nexis sync we are maintaining folders on the local storage that have copied mdb and pmr database files so they are not being rebuilt by the standalone system.  And that's working great for any master clip media.  Like imported files, transcoded media, mixdowns, etc.  But when it comes to rendered effects they are all offline and have to be re-rendered, and I'm trying to figure out why.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jay



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Re: [Avid-L2] What are the rules of media sharing?

 

Take a single clip or effect that has a render on it and make a sub sequence in it's own bin.  If you set bin display to show rendered effects you will see the render file.  I'm pretty sure you can even reveal that file in the finder.

Now go to a system where the render isn't working and do the same thing.  Does it appear to be referencing the same file name etc...?  If it is looking for the same file see if the problem system has access to that file.  It sounds like it should.

If the file is available but not being seen that would appear to point to a media database problem. 

You could take the render file .mxf file and put it in it's own avidmediafiles sub folder and then rebuild that data base and see if that makes it come online. 



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I thought about that and have done what I can to check those things.  But I can't figure out how that could single out MXF media from renders and not effect imported media and mixdowns?  It seem like if if sync process would cause problems with all the files, bus someone it's just exclusive to media generated by rendering effects.  So what's different about that media from master clip media?  Is it something different in the MXF file?  Or how it's listed in the database file?  Or something to do with how Media Composer reads database files?  Is there something special about it being in an ISIS / Nexis / Unity environment that lets system play nice with render media from other workstations?  So many strange questions.

I've got more testing to do.  I think I'm going to set up a separate standalone system and see if I can take rendered media from stand alone system to stand alone system.  

This feels like something that an engineer at Avid would be able to address and fix, but I'm not even sure how to get the request to that level.  I'm doubtful I could even get support at Avid to even understand what the issue is much less get them to escalate it.

Jay


On Jun 1, 2017, at 1:38 PM, 'Dom Q. Silverio' domqsilverio@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Maybe the metadata of the MXF render files at the OS level are being modified during transfer (modified data, creation date, etc.)?

Also, make sure the computer clock are in sync.

Dom Q. Silverio

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Jay Mahavier jay_mahavier@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>wrote:
I'm trying to figure out the rules of media sharing between media composer systems when it comes to rendered effects.  Like when, and why, are rendered effects sometimes online and sometimes not and have to be re-rendered.

So on the current show we have a bit of a strange setup.  We have our primary location where we have 4 system connected to an ISIS system.  When one of us renders effects in a sequence they are online for everyone at the primary location.  We have a secondary location that has 3 systems connected to a Nexis.  We have a separate system that it's singular purpose is to sync media between workspaces on the ISIS with workspaces on the Nexis.  Each workspace is mirrored between the two locations.  That includes the .mdb and .pmr files.  So at the location with the Nexis they are not rebuilding media database files, they are using the ones that copy over from the ISIS.  And likewise, the ISIS workspaces that are sync copies of the Nexis, we are using the database files from the Nexis.  And between the two locations all the rendered effects are online.

Then we have a third location.  It's a singular standalone system.  It's using local storage.  All the media form the ISIS and Nexis is being sync copied over to the local storage.  And like we are with the ISIS <-> Nexis sync we are maintaining folders on the local storage that have copied mdb and pmr database files so they are not being rebuilt by the standalone system.  And that's working great for any master clip media.  Like imported files, transcoded media, mixdowns, etc.  But when it comes to rendered effects they are all offline and have to be re-rendered, and I'm trying to figure out why.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jay



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