On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Terence Curren <tcurren@aol.com> wrote:
> Not trolling at all Patrick. What makes you say that?
>
Sorry. I hoped the winking smiley would have indicated that I was jesting.
;-)
> I have tried all the different LCDs over the years. We have had multiple
> monitor shoot outs at Editors' lounge with the majors all lined up next to
> each other. I stand by my assessment.
>
I'm not arguing over the black levels of OLED vs LCD.
Nor am I disputing the CRTness of OLED. (I'd also say that about plasma)
I'm just saying that LCDs can in fact accurately display black balance. My
reading of this thread was that you and John were saying accurate black
balance isn't possible with LCDs. I dispute that notion.
> You know how long it took my eyes to adjust to OLED from CRT? A few
> seconds. That was just the shock of how rich the blacks were.
>
It's more than that, it's the overall contrast. The richer blacks makes the
rest of the image pop more - giving the image more immediacy and depth than
the LCD. Even if both displays are fed the exact same image.
> But try the OLED. It looks just as amazing in total darkness as in a
> brightly lit room. The best of both wolds!
>
Except I need two of them. One for me. One for my client.
The narrow viewing angle is a non-starter in a single display suite that
must accomodate clients.
> You also tell John you are not using the scopes as much. I'm not sure how
> you do that as the human eye is constantly adjusting.
>
Honestly? I'm attributing it to experience. After 12 years - including the
first 6 years in which I had to teach myself what good skin tones look like
(fighting my natural inclination of making skin tones too red).
In my last post I did say: I make the primary correction off the scopes -
this helps keep my brain from auto-adjusting. Once I've done the primary
correction everything else is mood, emotion, style (secondaries).
Those secondary corrections happen fast. When I'm establishing key looks if
I spend more than a few minutes on a shot I move on and come back later. Or
bounce between a few shots to dial it in. Working quickly, never stopping
is the key.
> Trusting the scopes always pays off, when I view with fresh eyes, the
> scene is always good.
>
Which is why I always glance at the scopes when I'm done. I'm not
disagreeing here. And I don't teach newcomers to rely on their eyes. Far
from it. But after a decade you learn a thing or two about yourself. I've
seen this discussed on the TIG by 20 year vets. I'm not where those guys
are - but I'm starting to understand.
I'd be curious if Hullfish is reading this thread and what he's found in
his interviews with experienced colorists and their use of scopes vs eyes.
(I'm looking forward to the 2nd edition of his book)
> I have 5 OLEDs, that I purchased early on and I am not experiencing the
> drift you are talking about. Either I got lucky or you got unlucky with
> your test unit. I guess we'll have to wait for some more feedback from
> users to see what the trend is.
>
Yup. The only way to know for sure is to work with these displays for a few
months.
Except on the issue of black balance on LCDs - I'm not disagreeing with you.
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