Granted. My point is that there is a price point for most people. Hopefully people will list their requirements for a DAM/MAM system and we'll talk more.
IMHO, a smaller company's situation doesn't demand the enterprise-class setup, so seeing a price like that shouldn't stop them from checking out their networked products at $400 a seat plus server. However, I have to equate the trend towards DAM/MAM now with the great "shared storage" migration of the last decade:
We all want the workflow benefits without the higher prices.
Still, most small shops can get along just fine without shared storage - or they go with Facilis or maybe Flavorsys. These are suppliers that have created solutions for what many boutiques find is an acceptable price.
As long as you are using technology that is constructed as a SYSTEM for your situation (workload/ IT support needed/ constrained by price) there is a price point for most anyone.
John McClary
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From: RT <huipro@hawaii.rr.com>
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Media Archiving. LTO?
To be clear - a turnkey CATDV Enterprise software setup for 5 workgroup
users runs around $27K. That's with install and support but NO hardware
of any kind,
The ProCache5 hardware runs $10K. Plus tapes, install and support.
There is a huge difference in pricing for individual CATDV users vs the
networked products which is pretty hard to explain to owners of small
shops.
At $40K, this system is a better fit for a SAN based corporate facility
or broadcaster. Folks like NASCAR love it. But they often need a
larger tape library also.
Anyone in the small to mid category have feelings on this subject? Do
you see a better alternative?
RT
John McClary wrote:
>
>
> I think the boutique to medium size facility will be better served by
> coming systems. However, there are a lot of companies right now that
> have turnkey systems between $1-4K range. That does not include the
> setup, digitizing of old media, and molding it to your company's
> workflow (sometimes not even the computer). I understand your pain - I
> was a freelance editor/one-man band for a lot of years. But a single
> license for CatDV is $400 - $99 for a mostly-logging edition. You may
> be reaching for more than you actually need if you are more
> price-sensitive than that.
>
> How inexpensive does a Digital Asset Management system need to be to
> be "affordable" for someone who defines themselves as a small company?
>
> I wonder because there are really three questions here:
> (1) what MUST you have to consider a DAM system "complete" (what do
> YOU mean when you say it)
>
> (2) how much do you do you feel is an "affordable" price
>
> (3) what level of automation do you need in a DAM to feel comfortable
> with it
> (4) what technologies/brands does it need to be built with
>
> It's something we ALL say - "I need an affordable system"-- but what
> do we really mean by that? When I say Asset Management, I need (a)
> nearline backup and LTO-based archiving (b) tape library to search for
> existing clips and tapes (c) an ingest station to control both (d)
> shared calendars or actual scheduling (e) read-only shared storage so
> editors/artists can access what they need and (f) server-based
> internet portal for authenticated access from the web. Well, OSX Lion
> Server (plus a program or two) does all that so I'm covered.
>
> But how do you define the system that meets YOUR needs?
>
>
> John McClary
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> ________________________________
> From: Richard Tibbetts <huipro@hawaii.rr.com
> <mailto:huipro%40hawaii.rr.com>>
> To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>"
> <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Media Archiving. LTO?
>
>
>
> For a small shop, yes. And they just increased prices significantly.
>
> Alas, Avid used to be pricey as well.
>
> RT
>
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 9:39 PM, "Rupert Watson" <rupert@root6.com
> <mailto:rupert%40root6.com>> wrote:
>
> > CatDV is pricey? Have you looked at other Asset Management systems?
> >
> > Rupert Watson
> >
> > +44 7787 554 801
> >
> > www.root6.com
> >
> > From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of Richard Tibbetts
> > Sent: 09 January 2012 22:13
> > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Media Archiving. LTO?
> >
> > A small facility (Aka editor working in the basement at home) could
> get by with just the simple database tools that ship free with the
> cache-a. If youre a SAN based workgroup or broadcaster, the pricey
> catdv is the way to go.
> >
> > You'll need an IT guy to manage it before long.
> >
> > RT
> > Sent from the drs waiting room.
> >
> > On Jan 9, 2012, at 10:39 AM, "haus" <switthaus@mac.com
> <mailto:switthaus%40mac.com> <mailto:switthaus%40mac.com> > wrote:
> >
> > > I literally just got out of a demo of Cache-A with CatDV as an
> asset manager and it looked very impressive. Pricey, but it covers a
> lot of bases and is scalable to meet pretty much any need.
> > >
> > > sw
> > >
> > > --- In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:Avid-L2%40yahoogroups.com> , "Mike R" <mike@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Are facilities happy with their LTO workflows? I have been using
> a hard drive archiving plan, but feel like a longer term solution
> needs to be put into place. I was looking at the Cache-A archiving
> appliance, any experience with it?
> > > > TIA
> > > > -Mike
> > > >
> > >
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