Friday, May 17, 2019

Re: [Avid-L2] HP Z8G4 + Avid MC + Avid Artist I/O = Thunderbolt or Thunderscrewed? Now Trash Can Compatibility?

 

At work we are looking into a full tilt mac trash can, not sure exactly what qualifies as full tilt but I assume there are choices of 12 cores, better gpus and more ram.  My understanding is there isn't much that is up gradable after the fact, like the new iMacs.

Looking at a DNxIQ to replace our existing NitrisDX circa 2009 so we can have the option to run Resolve and Premiere Pro.  It seems the DNxIV only has thunderbolt connectivity which could be limiting down the line if we ever go PC route etc..

From this thread it says PCIe has less overhead in the PC world.  With a trashcan it looks like the new ones have USB C which is USB 3.0 right?

Now after googling I find this:

What transfer rates does USB offer?

USB 3.1 Gen 2 can transfer data up to 10 Gbps. Newer Mac models with Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) ports support these speeds.

Speeds of previous USB versions:

  • USB 3 and USB 3.1 Gen 1 can transfer data up to 5 Gbps.
  • USB 2 can transfer data up to 480 Mbps.
  • USB 1.1 can transfer data up to 12 Mbps.
Does this mean the current mac pro trashcan supports USB 3.1 on the USB C ports?

Does it make more sense to get a dongle/break out adapter to drive a DNxIQ with PCIe when running a new mac pro or is the overhead of thunderbolt connection to the DNxIQ not an issue on a Mac?


---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <gowanuscanalstinks@...> wrote :

My assumption about the limited TB ports on HP and PCs, in general, is significantly a less popular port compared to the Mac eco system.  And in general Apple is forcing you to TB while PCs still retain the PCIe slots. 

It could also be the cost in terms of licensing from Intel and the chipset controller. 

I agree that even with the limited TB deployment on the PC, solutions offered are not ideal. The PCIe add-on or single ports on the mobo are a pain in the arse. 

DQS


On May 17, 2019, at 6:35 PM, 'KVI Post' kvipost@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Here's a little HP Thunderbolt musing.
 
The Avid configuration guide for the HP Z8G4 states (referring to the Artist DNxIO/DNxIQ connection to the Z8): "PCIe preferred as it requires less system over-head due to direct PCIe to PCIe connection between the host CPU and Artist DNxIO.". 
 
It further states (referring to the Artist series Thunderbolt connection to the Z8): "Thunderbolt 2 & 3 - higher system over-head, not recommended to share Thunderbolt devices on the same TB bus with DNxIO, DNxIQ, DNxIV, DNxID"
 
I've been using G-Tech Thunderbolt RAIDs with favorable results and would likely continue this with a new Z8G4.  If my interpretation of the above is correct, using the Thuderbolt RAIDs would lock me into using PCIe Avid I/O devices for optimal performance.  
 
I don't have an issue using PCIe comforted by the Blackmagic Design promotion of Gen 3 PCIe use for "when you need higher speeds than Thunderbolt". 
 
However, except for the DNxIQ, the most recent Avid Artist I/O devices are Thunderbolt only, and I'm wondering if future Artist and BMD I/O's will also be Thunderbolt only.  It looks like the DNxIO EOL is 3/22/2022, the DNxIQ isn't listed on the EOL list, so an investment in either carries a worthwhile ROI.
 
I can't find any information related to adding a second Thunderbolt card to the Z8, on a separate bus.  And, even then, the concern seems to be with the system resources required to integrate the Thunderbolt interface between the workstation and the peripheral device.  Makes one wonder why HP did not provision native Thunderbolt support on the motherboard, and will they in the near future, and is it really needed for I/O connectivity when apparently faster PCIe solutions are currently available?
 
As an alternate to Thunderbolt connected RAID, I would be curious to know how well 10Gbit single or dual port Ethernet (non ISIS/NEXIS) external storage performs for those who use it.
 
I welcome any responses.
 
Karl Knowles
Tallahassee, FL

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