Monday, August 14, 2017

Re: [Avid-L2] Multiple Identical Media Files

 

I use an application called Tidy Up! to track down dupe media.


Jay

On Aug 14, 2017, at 4:00 PM, bigfish@pacbell.net [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <bouke@...> wrote : "But then again, why is it important?"

It has sometimes been a curiosity to me and occasionally it has seemed to be important in some of my work.  It's hard to know exactly what goes on sometimes but occasionally when I've had multiple sources of the same media it seems sometimes Avid decides to link to the "other" media file and as a result I see my Safe Color Limit Effect become unrendered at that section.  I could be incorrect about what causes that behavior but I've seen it every so often and have always thought something like multiple source media files was the culprit.  

One issue I have had that I can repeat is when I have an ama'd clip that I transcode to say DNX_175X and use it in a sequence.  Then down the line if the original source ama file is still available in the same file location Avid decides to link to the ama'd clip instead of the transcoded media of that clip.  I get the generic why of why this happens but it's annoying.  I usually see it when I go to export a QT Ref and Avid tells me it can't export QT Ref with ama'd Media.  Then I have to force a relink to the transcoded version of the clip.  This is one case where I find it advantageous to do a traditional import rather than an ama transcode even if the ama transcode is faster.

So how Avid scans and picks duplicate media isn't a deal breaker but it can be a head scratchier and it would be nice to understand the basic approach Avid takes under the hood.  Drive letter/number makes sense but I don't know how the translates in a Mac environment.  

Once again the more I learn the less I know.  ;-)


---In Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com, <bouke@...> wrote :

I'm with both camps.
Jay is right that there probably are not strict references to the drive name, 
but it makes sense that the mdb files are scanned in a 'logical' way. And that would be alphabetical.

Some tests are easily done, as this is all pure speculation.

But then again, why is it important?

Bouke

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On 14 Aug 2017, at 20:44, Jay Mahavier jay_mahavier@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I would have to say that this is incorrect. This is based on that once the .pmr and .mdb files are built you can move the directory structure to a different drive with a different name and attach it to a different system and not rebuild the database files and they will work fine. I regularly do this through an automated copy of media, including the database files for the media, from a shared storage ISIS system to a local storage drive on a system at a remote location.

Jay

> On Aug 12, 2017, at 1:20 AM, Tim Selander selander@... [Avid-L2] <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This is a non-answer bit of speculation, so likely not useful; 
> but I don't want to run over to the edit room and run a test for 
> you. (I'm not as nice as some of the people on this list. 
> Looking at you, Bouke...)
> 
> But, I do a bit of database programming on the side, and would be 
> willing to bet that while the media is exactly the same on both 
> drives, the media databases are not, since they would contain 
> references to the Volume the media is stored on.
> 
> So the clip Avid uses will be the one linked to the database it 
> came from originally, as long as that Volume is mounted. If it is 
> not, then a query would be executed to find it on whatever 
> Volumes are mounted. And it would be logical for that query to 
> start at the system's disk0 and work up through all mounted volumes.
> 
> A test should confirm which drive, in which order, would be 
> 'favoured' but I think you'd need the programmer to explain the 
> 'why' of his/her logic.
> 
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2017.08.12, 1:37, Christopher Pitbladdo 
> avid@... [Avid-L2] wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm just wondering, if I have a master clip, and the same media on more than one drive, does anyone know which Avid MediaFIles folder Media Composer will favour, and why?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> CP
>> 
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